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AB
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Posted: Mon Nov 30th, 2009 09:16 pm |
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Alaska-carry legislation - beware of inform and disarm clause
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swV_eOrAp9Y
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Sun Dec 6th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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aadvark
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Posted: Mon Dec 7th, 2009 05:40 pm |
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I have never been to Alaska, but I would find it hard to believe that The Alaska State Troopers would knowingly violate 4th and 5th Amendment Rights, especially seeing as to how pro-Firearm Alaska really is, even when compared to... let's say... Washington, which is more pro-Firearm then some other States.
I doubt that Wyoming would implement a Law which requires the disclosure of rather or not you have a Firearm to a Law Enforcement Officer, but that is the mess that you find yourself in, most times, when you implement a Concealed Carry Permit system.
Instead the Wyoming State Legislature should repeal its Concealed Carry permit system, and instead, opt for Alaska/Vermont-carry without any need to disclose as to rather or not one is carrying a Firearm or has one in their own Vehicle.
Running a Serial Number on a Firearm without any probable cause to believe that the Firearm has been, is, or will be used for a Crime, without any Warrant signed under oath or affirmation from a Judge of compentent Jurisdiciton, is, indeed Unlawful Search and Seizure. Law Enforcement Officers should not just act under a Hunch, but rather Reasonable Articulable Suspicion. Merely seeing a Firearm, is not in and of itself a Crime, especially in Wyoming, and placing any further requiremnets on any United States Citizen is upsurd.
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AB
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Posted: Mon Dec 7th, 2009 06:51 pm |
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aadvark wrote: ...I would find it hard to believe that The Alaska State Troopers would knowingly violate 4th and 5th Amendment Rights, especially seeing as to how pro-Firearm Alaska really is...
That's the point of the video, it's easy to see legislation as "pro-gun" but underlying is an agenda that undermines the Bill of Rights.
When I called and spoke to a Trooper he said "until the courts told them otherwise they would continue this search practice".
The video confirms that this practice is being done as if LE have a right to do so. This should be appalling to all gun owners. Period.
If they ever took away "carry without a license" do you really think that they would remove this disarm clause as well?
Wyoming citizens must demand legislation that passes the "Bill of Rights" test.
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Posted: Wed Dec 9th, 2009 11:05 pm |
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It violates the 4th Amendment to warrantlessly run Serial Numbers on any Firearm.
The Federal Courts have said so on numerous occasions.
There was a Federal Georgia Case and a New Mexico Case as well.
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Orphan
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Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2009 05:10 am |
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I believe that TV shows like Alaska State Troopers And Cops are on the air to get the general population condititioned to seeing rights violated. I cant watch these programs without seeing huge violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments. I suspect that most of the filmed arrests get tossed out of court if a lawyer is hired.
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AB
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Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2009 05:13 am |
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Orphan wrote: ...to get the general population conditioned to seeing rights violated...
Agree, but it doesn't look like there is much resistance to repeated violation.
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Orphan
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Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2009 05:21 am |
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Thats the problem the general population allows it because most do not have the spine or the knowledge to stand up for their rights. If we could just fix this one problem the rest of the problems with the law and the Constitution would go away.
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IDAHO COWBOY
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Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 01:37 pm |
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Orphan wrote:
Thats the problem the general population allows it because most do not have the spine or the knowledge to stand up for their rights. If we could just fix this one problem the rest of the problems with the law and the Constitution would go away.
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I fully agree with you.
Citizens by birth, brain washed in schools and during their daily child and adult lives by TV, Radio, Music, Movies - then throw in some apathy - Citizen now equals a Subject, many many even Arms forums such as this one.
Second Amendment is the only law we need for Arms, lot agree with this but then start dreaming up exceptions for as in Wyoming churches and bars, as in Texas since 1873 no open carry no printing when carrying concealed, California open carry ok if an unloaded gun, Montana cannot carry in public buildings, former felony cannot own or hold guns, Montana cannot carry in a bank, age limits, illegal paperwork requirements CWP CHP etc - 1968 Gun Control Act paperwork, do not open carry because it might offend someone - all = Subject.
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