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HungSquirrel
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 04:14 am |
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| No problems again at the Tillman's Corner Wal-Mart.
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Mississippian
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Posted: Sat May 9th, 2009 05:49 pm |
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HungSquirrel wrote: No problems again at the Tillman's Corner Wal-Mart.
Same here today.
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HungSquirrel
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 06:58 am |
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Heh, I stopped in today, too, at about 1pm.
We're bound to run into each other one of these days. If a slightly overweight stubble-wearing gun-toting 20-something male ever approaches you, greets you, and strikes up a conversation about OC, don't be too alarmed. 
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Mississippian
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 01:59 pm |
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We're bound to run into each other one of these days. If a slightly overweight stubble-wearing gun-toting 20-something male ever approaches you, greets you, and strikes up a conversation about OC, don't be too alarmed.
You were describing me until you got to the 20-something part...I got about 15 on ya, and no, I won't be alarmed and I have learned that OCing can be a great conversation starter.
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kurtmax_0
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 08:05 pm |
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Mississippian wrote:
We're bound to run into each other one of these days. If a slightly overweight stubble-wearing gun-toting 20-something male ever approaches you, greets you, and strikes up a conversation about OC, don't be too alarmed.
You were describing me until you got to the 20-something part...I got about 15 on ya, and no, I won't be alarmed and I have learned that OCing can be a great conversation starter.
You don't look like your avatar??!!! How misleading!
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Mississippian
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 09:27 pm |
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You don't look like your avatar??!!! How misleading!
Add a ball cap 'n a fu manchu and you'll be pretty close.
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Mr.Advocate
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Posted: Sat May 16th, 2009 11:30 am |
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dixieborn wrote: Well I had my first run in with the MPD today! Knew it had to happen sometime... The day started out alright; shopped in Winn Dixie at Ziegler/Schillinger, Winn Dixie at Airport/Snow (the first one didn't have what I was looking for), Lowe's at Airport/Schillinger, and Hobby Lobby at Airport/Schillinger. No issues at any of those spots. In fact, in Lowe's, a LEO walked right past me from my strong side, definitely saw the Sig, but didn't say a word.
Now, for the last stop of the day. Went into WalMart right there on Schillinger, walked all around the store, got what I wanted and was in the checkout line when a manager came up to me. He asked if I was a cop or some kind of LEO. I told him that I wasn't, I happened to be in the military, but not a police officer, no. At which point he told me that I was not allowed to carry my gun openly, I had to have a pistol permit and carry it concealed, even if it's just pulling my shirt over it.
I've heard the stories of people getting arrested and what not, so I was sure to keep my cool and be respectful. But I was also not going to roll over and let him keep his mistaken understanding of the law! So I asked him if that was a store policy, in which case I would gladly bring my gun out to the truck or conceal the weapon, but it is not actually prohibited by law in Alabama. He responded that no, it's not a store policy, but that Alabama law states you must have a permit and that only gives you the privilege to carry concealed. At this point I pulled my shirt over my gun to make him more comfortable with it, but I reasserted the fact that it is not actually illegal to open carry. He said he could call a police officer to come down and we could talk about it with them. To which I happily agreed!
Well, when he called the police, the person on the phone told him that it was in fact illegal (not surprising), I, of course, told him I'd heard they were wrong like that sometimes. So he asked them to send someone over. When the LEO arrived, he disarmed me (took my knife too!) and asked me the general questions about why I was carrying it etc. Another officer arrived and he grilled me for a while as well. I made it a point to be as professional and respectful as possible while still trying to understand their point of view. They told me that they could both revoke my permit and consequently advise the sheriff not to issue me another, and also arrest me for disorderly conduct. Since they were not planning on doing either, I made sure to be careful so as not to change their minds!
But the conversation never got very far as they would not let me get out more than a couple sentences of my view before interrupting me. Apparently their view is that people have the right not to be nervous, and that right trumps my God-given right that is confirmed in writing in the 2nd amendment. We couldn't get past that, so the conversation was over. The cop walked my gun back to my truck for me and then said have a nice day.
All in all, I will certainly be open carrying again, but likely not in that WalMart. I imagine if that manager has to call the cops on me again that I WILL be arrested. So it's concealed there from now on, but we'll keep investigating the rest of the town!
I just find it amazing how many people there are around our country that just love and appreciate cops, especially when there harassing people for no good reason, instead of doing there job, which is suppose to be protect and serve. LOL my ass, all I here from people around here in the mobile area is how when they talk all that comes out is ignorant rubish, that was being nice, let me just put it bluntly most all people around here mobile actually are very stupid , stuburn, when it comes to know what there rights are. I honestly fill alot of people out here in America don't care about there right to bear arms. I tell you what though, when the time arises, which it may never happen, but if it does I sure there going to fill stupid then, and by then it will be to late.
Keep us updated man, and the next time something like that is going on please carry a voice recorder so you have them down harassing you. Cause of people like that Manager in WalMart, it makes us OC'ers up against uneven odds because they make something out of nothing. What exactly was that guys problem, and why in hell did he fill the need to approach you and ask you some dumbass question when he doesn't even know the state law or the company he works for policy, and this guy is a manager. I sure hope its not the one that I usually see when I shop at that walmart, I think his name in hillary or something like that, if it is, I will be happy to walk through there oc'ing and if he says anything I'll immediatly begin recording the conversation since it is a public store and I can do that to, I will then put my firearm away in the car and ask for his supervisers number. If I don't get his supervisors number from him I'll be looking it up asap.
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kurtmax_0
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Posted: Sat May 16th, 2009 02:47 pm |
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He obviously wasn't that nervous if he came up and asked you to conceal it 
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Mr.Advocate
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Posted: Sun May 17th, 2009 08:26 am |
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kurtmax_0 wrote: He obviously wasn't that nervous if he came up and asked you to conceal it
exactly, good point, so the real reason the guy was being such a @#$% was he just thinks cops should be allowed to open carry, what a dumbass manager.
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Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 07:26 pm |
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Back at it again... I had no trouble at the AT&T store on Schillinger, Winn Dixie, and that gas station at Airport/Cody with the car wash and the free vacuums. Pretty sweet actually, you don't even have to get a car wash to use the free vacuums! But anyways, no harassment from the police today which was nice.
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Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2009 05:29 am |
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This is a terrible thread full of irritating stories. Not because of what you're trying to do, but just the general @#$%ing ignorance of the MPD. I am friends with a state police officer and he thinks it is a a privilege, not a right, to CCW. I don't even bother skirting the OC issue, yet. He's a really decent guy.
I think that the main thing here, beyond blatant ignorance, is that they KNOW people are stupid and KNOW they will get calls like "SOME GUY HAS A GUN!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! COME NOW" And the 340lb 911 operator named Shamika doesn't ask what he's doing with it or anything like that, just immediately calls dispatch. They don't want to deal with this. period. It is a waste of their time, and they could be doing something more productive (i @#$%ing hope, lord) like pulling over some idiot in a donk with 26" rims and 19 warrants out on him with no insurance.
I really need to move out of the south. I've come to really hate it lately. Who would have thought one of the most historically gun friendly places, the southern u.s., would have @#$% like this going on right now.
I wish I could open carry and test the waters like you guys but I don't want to risk having to pay attorney fees, screw up my possible future with any govt agency, or employer. It's just not a risk I want to take. This is where you old timers or people with stable jobs you're not leaving, or people that just don't give a @#$%, come in. If we had some demonstration her I'd gladly show up but I definitely wouldn't OC, regardless of how many LEOs I know.
As for the mobile shooting center thing, Wow. I know exactly who you are talking about. She loves to talk about her husband. Guess what. he is a city police officer. Congratu@#$%inglations, that's not a really huge accomplishment. Homeland Security? Fine. FBI? nice. Secret service? almost as good. ATF? ehhh... State trooper? good.
CITY COP IN MOBILE? USUALLY BOTTOM OF THE @#$%ING BARREL NEXT TO TSA AGENTS AT THE GOD DAMN AIRPORT.
I do NOT mean to @#$% on all first responders, just the ones that signed up to exhert authority and impress obviously stupid women impressed with small accomplishments/authority like the one you encountered.
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Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2009 02:04 pm |
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Actually. In Alabama, CCW is a privilege, and OC is the right.
You also can only conceal handguns with a pistol permit. Knives, swords, nunchaku, etc still need to be OCed.
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HungSquirrel
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Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2009 03:02 pm |
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I wish I could open carry and test the waters like you guys but I don't want to risk having to pay attorney fees, screw up my possible future with any govt agency, or employer. It's just not a risk I want to take. This is where you old timers or people with stable jobs you're not leaving, or people that just don't give a @#$%, come in.
I should think that older carriers, who have wives, families, mortgages, and employers who will fire them if they catch wind of trouble with the law would have more to lose than younger folks.
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Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2009 09:09 pm |
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So for those of you who read about my run-in with Wal-Mart a little while ago, I followed up a little. I didn't send a letter to corporate or anything... yet. But I was in there today (not open carrying), and I asked to speak to a manager, I wanted to inquire whether that confusion about state law had been cleared up and to make sure I wouldn't be given any trouble next time.
Well. The first manager deferred to another manager, so I waited some more. That manager said well it would have to be concealed. To which I informed her, no, we had this discussion, it doesn't. So she was apparently out of her paygrade as well. She called someone else and I waited a few more minutes.
Now at least I got to talk to someone who actually could give me an answer that didn't start with a blank look and an "ummm". This was Shane, the "force protection" guy or something like that. I guess the head of security. He conceded that it wasn't against the law to open carry, but assured me that if I tried it, I would get arrested for disorderly conduct. I told him, yeah, I'd been threatened with that, but of course there's the problem that by definition in the law, that charge requires intent. He didn't know anything about that, but said someone was just found guilty the other day for the same charge for carrying around a BB gun "because it looked like a real gun and people were scared." Don't know if it's true or not, but pretty bogus either way.
Anyways, we finally got to the bottom line of, it is that specific Wal-Mart's store policy that he will kick me out if he sees me with a gun, to which I responded, ok, I'll respect the store policy if that's what it is. He said that was the policy in all of Mobile and Baldwin counties for Wal-Marts which made me think of y'all who frequent one in Tillman's Corner. If you have any knowledge or wisdom on that, I welcome it! Otherwise, guess I'll just stay concealed when I'm in Wal-Mart!
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HungSquirrel
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Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2009 09:47 pm |
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No signs are posted at the TC Wal-Mart and I have never been hassled, including the times I walked right by the Securitas rentacops. I have spent more than an hour shopping on several occasions...plenty of time to respond to an MWAG. If it is "the policy" in "all" Mobile and Baldwin County stores, TC doesn't care about "the policy" much.
If I had to guess, I'd say this guy was making stuff up to try to get you to leave and never OC there again. But, I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong again.
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Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 12:13 am |
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I do believe you're right, I firmly believe that he was just making stuff up to back his threats. Now I'm sure at his own Wal Mart he would kick me out next time, but any others? He doesn't know crap.
In other news, the Wal-Mart in Semmes has given me no trouble as I've OC'd there the last couple of days. Although today some guy with a tie (looked like a manager type) kind of followed me around. It was pretty funny, it was like watching some bad spy movie. Every time I glanced at him he would pretend to be looking up at the shelves and walk away. It was great. But no confrontations there or at the China buffet right next door, or the Blockbuster down the road!
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Mississippian
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Posted: Mon Jun 1st, 2009 01:56 am |
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| OC'd at Hall's Motor Sports in Mobile twice this past week, and then in Rands Quick Stop and Food Tiger, both in Grand Bay today, actually have OC'd in Rand's quite a bit over the past few months (I like their subs) with no problems.
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HungSquirrel
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 03:01 am |
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| No problems at the TC Wal-Mart yesterday, nor the Chevron on Dauphin Island today.
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 03:53 am |
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lol everyone shops at the TC walmart i see
the one off the i65 service road is so @#$%ing ghetto
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 06:44 pm |
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| The TC one is redneck. It all balances out.
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