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Mr.Advocate
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 Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 05:47 am
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why are we talking about race on this thread, this thread is about OC in mobile, find yourself another forum if you want to discuss race.

 

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NathanBForrest has been banned.

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 Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 07:43 pm
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We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread topic, already in progress...

I've been open carrying my PF9 everywhere lately except on marketing calls. I figure it's probably not a good idea to be asking someone if they'd like to host a book signing for "Victim Selection Error" with a gun hanging out.

Anyways, so far been to Lowes of Leeds, Target in Trussville and Hwy 280, and Staples on 280. Even saw a few LEO's and store security. No problems anywhere.

On a side note, my book is now available at The Little Professor in Homewood. If you decide to pick one up, give me a PM and I'll be glad to hook up and sign it for ya'.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 24th, 2009 03:31 am
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Wonderful! Thanks JP, so glad to be back on topic...

I was in Winn Dixie yesterday and got to educate one of the guys stocking shelves... he just walked by and asked "You a cop?" I just responded politely that I was not and he seemed a little taken by surprise! Didn't really know what to say after that, didn't give me any trouble though.

When I ran into him again later in another aisle, he told me he just assumed it because he saw my gun. (Kind of seemed like he was apologizing) So I assured him it was no problem, but that there does seem to be too many people that don't realize you don't have to be a police officer to carry a gun. Upon which he related to me how the Semmes Wal-Mart had just been robbed recently by a guy with a gun. (I actually hadn't heard that) But I told him that's why more of us who aren't robbing stores ought to be carrying!

Nice guy... maybe he'll go buy a gun.

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Yeah, I know dixieborne, I talked to a guy the other day after some shooting practice, and we got off topic somehow, and I said something about preferring to carry my full framed 9mm on my side. And he said, you can actually carry a gun on your hip in plain view and not be a LEO, and I said, yes of course, it's the state law in Al. I then pulled out a copy of the law on the tri-fold and he read it, I then mentioned he can find additional facts opencarry.org and he said thanks, and he was very happy to here the good news.

Thanks jp, for getting us back on topic.

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Have any non-lynchers been toting openly in Mobile lately?

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HungSquirrel wrote: Have any non-lynchers been toting openly in Mobile lately?
We are off of that subject hungsquirrel, don't bring it up again, this is just about open carry in mobile, that's it.

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Haha, pretty sure I'd fall into that category Squirrel! Had a nice conversation down at Five Guys (absolutely delicious by the way) the other day while OC'ing the 1911. Guy was sitting at the next table over, and just said "Hey, I'm happy to see y'all exercising your 2nd amendment rights." We had a nice friendly conversation about OC'ing, CC'ing, and the like and then went our separate ways. It's just good to get genuine warmth and encouragement on the issue every once in a while instead of incredulity and shock.

 

Was also out saying hi to some of the neighbors the other day when everyone was out walking, etc. Haha, got some reactions from some of them. None negative (at least to my face), but definitely  some that were a bit surprised. But of course as we discussed it, one of the dad's pushing a stroller for his two daughters pulls his shirt up and shows he's carrying IWB. Haha, that also pulled in some reactions but I was thankful for the backup. Hopefully more people in the neighborhood will get wise and we'll keep it a safe area for all law-abiding residents!

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I have been OC'ing more and more lately, especially when heading out to http://www.pascagouladcm.com  the range.  seeing I usually have several thousands of dollars worth of stuff in my trunk on shooting trips, I make darn sure I have my loaded kimber ultra carry II on my hip for all to see.  I also carry for any trip to the store, or across the bay to my doctors.

I am a 56 year old white guy, who is disabled and walks with the help of a cane, so that Kimber on my hip has, in many cases given me the advantage of not looking like a possible victim to the area scum.

We also have had a few problems with kids shooting off guns at night in our area, and when the police units arrived to investigate and ask about what happened, they never even questioned the fact that I had my piece on my hip in its holster.  I guess I don't look like a threat to them.

I would like to meet and say hi to other area OCers, maybe for a cup or coffee or burger at some local place (mcdonalds, etc.):lol:

-Bob

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ruger22com wrote: I have been OC'ing more and more lately, especially when heading out to http://www.pascagouladcm.com  the range.  seeing I usually have several thousands of dollars worth of stuff in my trunk on shooting trips, I make darn sure I have my loaded kimber ultra carry II on my hip for all to see.  I also carry for any trip to the store, or across the bay to my doctors.

I am a 56 year old white guy, who is disabled and walks with the help of a cane, so that Kimber on my hip has, in many cases given me the advantage of not looking like a possible victim to the area scum.

We also have had a few problems with kids shooting off guns at night in our area, and when the police units arrived to investigate and ask about what happened, they never even questioned the fact that I had my piece on my hip in its holster.  I guess I don't look like a threat to them.

I would like to meet and say hi to other area OCers, maybe for a cup or coffee or burger at some local place (mcdonalds, etc.):lol:

-Bob

Kool.  I may have actually spoken to you on the Pascagoula range's forum if this is the same guy I'm thinking of.  Good to see you here either way.

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jpierce wrote:OpenCarry.org is a civil rights organizations first and foremost
Thought you might be interested in this quote Mr. Pierce.

"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." --Mary Frances Berry, Chairman, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights


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yep, thats me!

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45 Auto wrote: NathanBForrest wrote: dixieborn wrote: Come on Nathan... take it somewhere else, this isn't your recruiting forum.
I suggest you stop trying to obscure reality with your suicidal propaganda. You do everyone here a disservice by promoting multiculturalism, diversity, and egalitarianism. You also put people's lives in danger when you defend those who are known to engage in violent, felonious crime. But maybe you want to see more dead White people?

And you do a disservice by promoting bigotry and racism.  I am not suggesting that your past experiences shouldn't affect your situational awareness, but to simply decide to apply your displeasure on an entire race of people from your based on the actions of a few shows only ignorance. 

I may have more to worry about from a 250 lb black man eyeballing my car than I do from a 250 lb white man eyeballing my car but who figures I'm just another ignorant cracker like him, but the fact remains that both of them are 250 lb thugs, and both will equally merit my attention.  The basic principles of situational awareness and deciding who constitutes a threat are the same regardless of the race of the person.  Considering anything otherwise means you are making assumptions, and I don't assume anything when it comes to my personal safety.  You will find good parts of town and bad parts of town regardless of where you are, and you will find thugs and good people regardless of race.  It is possible to have the ability to discern between them without resorting to racism.
Personally, I will give anyone a chance.  If they prove themselves an idiot, a threat, or just ignorant, I choose not to associate with them.  I don't keep track of percentages, life is too short to continue to add to the problem.

Why does everyone get stupid when the race issue comes up.

Blacks commit 50 times more race crimes against whites, than the other way around.  It's just a fact.  Get over it.  There is no bigotry or racism involved in facts.  Trying to downplay the truth because it isn't what the Democrats want, is dishonest at best.

Road rage, robbery, assault, cutting in line, just flat-out intimidation, etc...  It's all happened to me, and guess what, every one of them was black.  Never once did an asian, white, native American, or anyone else ever do such a thing to me.  It has always been blacks.

I'm not racist, but I do see the pattern, and live accordingly.  To ignore this would be just plain stupid, I don't care who decides to call me names for it.  I have a brain and I'm not afraid to use it!

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ixtow wrote: Why does everyone get stupid when the race issue comes up.

Blacks commit 50 times more race crimes against whites, than the other way around.  It's just a fact.  Get over it.  There is no bigotry or racism involved in facts.  Trying to downplay the truth because it isn't what the Democrats want, is dishonest at best.

Road rage, robbery, assault, cutting in line, just flat-out intimidation, etc...  It's all happened to me, and guess what, every one of them was black.  Never once did an asian, white, native American, or anyone else ever do such a thing to me.  It has always been blacks.

I'm not racist, but I do see the pattern, and live accordingly.  To ignore this would be just plain stupid, I don't care who decides to call me names for it.  I have a brain and I'm not afraid to use it!

Good post ixtow. Facts ARE facts and are color blind. It's not racist to cite official government crime data but it's delusional to pretend that data doesn't exist or is somehow irrelevant to the discussion of the need for open carry.

Before you read the following post I want to ask a couple of questions since there is a possibility that this post will might be removed.

Is it morally wrong to research and analyze official government data related to crime and report those findings to the very people who would be the most likely targets of criminal violence?

Who is being served and protected by preventing people from knowing the truth regarding official, government statistics on violent crime in America?

Why would anyone want to protect a criminal class of people and demonize someone for pointing out inconvenient facts? Isn't this what the main stream media does every day?

It's doubtful that any pro Second Amendment website that deliberately works to hide and conceal the truth about crime, and those who commit it, will actually ever accomplish any good in the long run.

The very reason most of us carry is because of crime. If we are not allowed to identify the criminals, by way of the scientific method of observation, and additionally through the analysis of criminal statistics, to inform others of these truthful facts, then who and where will people be given such information that may save their life and that of their family members?

The cognizant dissonance of being pro Second Amendment but anti First Amendment rings loudly in my ears. Why would anyone go out of their way to protect a race of people who are responsible for more than 75% of all violent crime including rape, armed robbery, and murder every year in our nation?

Here are some facts from the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI. I doubt that anyone would call these organizations racist or bigots. In fact they go out of their way to skew their data in favor of non-whites as noted in the below paragraph.

(One thing that you must keep in mind when reading the following statistics is that the Department of Justice and the FBI consider Hispanics white for the purposes of their data collection. Thus the actual amount of crime committed by whites is far less than that stated. This is done intentionally to skew and obfuscate statistics related to race and crime.)

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey "Highlights From 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims," published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


Another objective source of information on this subject is the 27 page booklet entitled 'Color of Crime.' See http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html  A pdf version of this booklet can be downloaded by clicking this link:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

This booklet is well documented and is not biased in its reporting or conclusions. Just the facts ma'am. The following are major findings based on their analysis of the government data analyzed.

Major Findings

Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks.
Fortyfive percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf"

It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
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ColMustard wrote: ixtow wrote: Why does everyone get stupid when the race issue comes up.

Blacks commit 50 times more race crimes against whites, than the other way around.  It's just a fact.  Get over it.  There is no bigotry or racism involved in facts.  Trying to downplay the truth because it isn't what the Democrats want, is dishonest at best.

Road rage, robbery, assault, cutting in line, just flat-out intimidation, etc...  It's all happened to me, and guess what, every one of them was black.  Never once did an asian, white, native American, or anyone else ever do such a thing to me.  It has always been blacks.

I'm not racist, but I do see the pattern, and live accordingly.  To ignore this would be just plain stupid, I don't care who decides to call me names for it.  I have a brain and I'm not afraid to use it!

Good post ixtow. Facts ARE facts and are color blind. It's not racist to cite official government crime data but it's delusional to pretend that data doesn't exist or is somehow irrelevant to the discussion of the need for open carry.

Before you read the following post I want to ask a couple of questions since there is a possibility that this post will might be removed.

Is it morally wrong to research and analyze official government data related to crime and report those findings to the very people who would be the most likely targets of criminal violence?

Who is being served and protected by preventing people from knowing the truth regarding official, government statistics on violent crime in America?

Why would anyone want to protect a criminal class of people and demonize someone for pointing out inconvenient facts? Isn't this what the main stream media does every day?

It's doubtful that any pro Second Amendment website that deliberately works to hide and conceal the truth about crime, and those who commit it, will actually ever accomplish any good in the long run.

The very reason most of us carry is because of crime. If we are not allowed to identify the criminals, by way of the scientific method of observation, and additionally through the analysis of criminal statistics, to inform others of these truthful facts, then who and where will people be given such information that may save their life and that of their family members?

The cognizant dissonance of being pro Second Amendment but anti First Amendment rings loudly in my ears. Why would anyone go out of their way to protect a race of people who are responsible for more than 75% of all violent crime including rape, armed robbery, and murder every year in our nation?

Here are some facts from the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI. I doubt that anyone would call these organizations racist or bigots. In fact they go out of their way to skew their data in favor of non-whites as noted in the below paragraph.

(One thing that you must keep in mind when reading the following statistics is that the Department of Justice and the FBI consider Hispanics white for the purposes of their data collection. Thus the actual amount of crime committed by whites is far less than that stated. This is done intentionally to skew and obfuscate statistics related to race and crime.)

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey "Highlights From 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims," published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm


Another objective source of information on this subject is the 27 page booklet entitled 'Color of Crime.' See http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html  A pdf version of this booklet can be downloaded by clicking this link:
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

This booklet is well documented and is not biased in its reporting or conclusions. Just the facts ma'am. The following are major findings based on their analysis of the government data analyzed.

Major Findings

Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.

The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks.
Fortyfive percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.

Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.

Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf"

It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
--Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775

It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry.
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Search for the truth is the noblest occupation of man; its publication is a duty.
--Anne Louise Germaine de Stael

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.
--George Orwell

A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.
--John F. Kennedy

This isn't to say that race is a defining absolute factor.  Just that when you put your hand on the burner, and you get burned, you watch out for red burners from then on.  It only makes sense.

Sure, there could be burners that are just painted red, and won't actually burn you...  But he who goes around smashing his hands on burners as a way to find those, is a damn idiot.  One who suggests that anyone who is smart enough to recognize that stupidity is a racist for having a brain, well...  I'm not sure there is a suitable name in any mortal tongue for those who would insult the rational use of intellect.

I'm more cautious when associating with races that both evidence and personal experience tell me could be a problem for my well being and continued life.  There are more bad apples in some bushels than in others...  But, most of the basket is pretty decent.  Learning a smarter way to tell if it's rotten is not fruitist, or racist...

There are dirtbag white people, too.  Just not as many, so it's less likely an issue.

Last edited on Tue Jan 5th, 2010 06:19 pm by ixtow

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Mr.Advocate wrote: why are we talking about race on this thread, this thread is about OC in mobile, find yourself another forum if you want to discuss race.
OC is about crime prevention, on various scales.  It isn't a discussion about race, but how it is foolish to avoid proven indicators of crime due to political agenda.  Race just happens to be one of those indicators.  Trying to relabel the discussion to assert a political agenda is intellectual fraud, at best.

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I can only imagine how much fun Southern Poverty Law Center, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton would have in this thread.

Not belittling yours and Mustards' posts, but that's what crossed my mind while readong.

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smttysmth02gt wrote: I can only imagine how much fun Southern Poverty Law Center, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton would have in this thread.

Not belittling yours and Mustards' posts, but that's what crossed my mind while readong.

I'm sure you've heard this one before....

Jesse Jackson was touring through the south when he went into a Sears store and was walking in the large appliance section.

He had a scowl on his face when he went to the salesperson in the washer/dryer section and started "Why are all the washing machines and dryers white?" He continued "That's discrimination!"

"Well," replied the clerk "if you open up the tops, you will see that all the agitators are black."

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ixtow wrote: smttysmth02gt wrote: I can only imagine how much fun Southern Poverty Law Center, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton would have in this thread.

Not belittling yours and Mustards' posts, but that's what crossed my mind while readong.

I'm sure you've heard this one before....

Jesse Jackson was touring through the south when he went into a Sears store and was walking in the large appliance section.

He had a scowl on his face when he went to the salesperson in the washer/dryer section and started "Why are all the washing machines and dryers white?" He continued "That's discrimination!"

"Well," replied the clerk "if you open up the tops, you will see that all the agitators are black."
Yeah that was a good one. 


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