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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 08:16 pm |
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Officer Brandon Sigler, someone whom I knew, was working as a courtesy officer at an apartment complex in Mobile. There was a fight between some females and an 18 year old male shot him. He said that he was not wearing a badge or anything so "he didn't know he was a cop". "I got scared and shot him" he said.
Just posting this so you will know that this could be anyone OC'ing. Sigler wouldn't wear his pistol tucked in his pants thug style or anything, so it looked just like you or I OC'ing wearing a regular holster.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:27 pm |
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This sounds fishy. Any more info or a news story?
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hansolo
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:31 pm |
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Link please, troll.
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lockman
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:44 pm |
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http://blog.al.com/live/2009/06/mobile_police_officer_killed_i_1.html
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:50 pm |
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hansolo wrote: Link please, troll.
Not a troll, just didn't feel the need to put a link. In the future, you may want to validate insults.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:51 pm |
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kurtmax_0 wrote: This sounds fishy. Any more info or a news story?
What I said was the short an sweet version. Basically, the kid claims he "got scared" and shot Brandon. It's true that he should have been wearing his badge, and he very well could have. We're going on what the kid who shot him said.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 11:38 pm |
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smttysmth02gt wrote: Officer Brandon Sigler, someone whom I knew, was working as a courtesy officer at an apartment complex in Mobile. There was a fight between some females and an 18 year old male shot him. He said that he was not wearing a badge or anything so "he didn't know he was a cop". "I got scared and shot him" he said.
Just posting this so you will know that this could be anyone OC'ing. Sigler wouldn't wear his pistol tucked in his pants thug style or anything, so it looked just like you or I OC'ing wearing a regular holster.
I'm confused by the article--however, IF the individual can prove that he was truly afraid for his life at the time he shot--he could get off, and should get off.
The article said nothing about what caused the man to shoot--all it said was the off duty officer broke up a fight and was then shot--was he shot because he broke up the fight, or was he shot because the guy may have thought he was actually attacking the women, or was he shot simply to be shot--the article does not say.
It is possible that the guy thought he was stopping an assault in progress by shooting--not saying he did--but it is possible.
there are just too many unanswered questions here.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 11:45 pm |
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http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/man_apologizes_for_killing_mobile_police_officer/76238/
Suspect apologizes. Video as he is taken away.
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 11:47 pm |
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Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 11:59 pm |
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lockman wrote: After watching that video he has certainly waived his right to remain silent.
if he can prove that he was reasonably in fear of his life--he most certainly should get off. The off duty officer should have identified himself as such.
This does not sound like murder to me. He sounds as if he was in legitimate fear for his life.
as for the confession--he should have remained silent and said nothing without a lawyer present.
And this is exactly why a police officer should not be allowed to hold any off duty jobs in security or in positions where they might have to act in a law enforcement capacity...
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 01:23 am |
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suntzu wrote: lockman wrote: After watching that video he has certainly waived his right to remain silent.
if he can prove that he was reasonably in fear of his life--he most certainly should get off. The off duty officer should have identified himself as such.
This does not sound like murder to me. He sounds as if he was in legitimate fear for his life.
as for the confession--he should have remained silent and said nothing without a lawyer present.
And this is exactly why a police officer should not be allowed to hold any off duty jobs in security or in positions where they might have to act in a law enforcement capacity...
I'd beg to disagree. The guy admitted that Brandon just told them they needed to leave and he got scared and shot him. Not sure what you're trying to defend.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 02:20 am |
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smttysmth02gt wrote: hansolo wrote: Link please, troll.
Not a troll, just didn't feel the need to put a link. In the future, you may want to validate insults.
Haha, sorry man. The choppy sentence structures and lack of validation led me to believe that you were trolling.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 02:24 am |
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hansolo wrote: smttysmth02gt wrote: hansolo wrote: Link please, troll.
Not a troll, just didn't feel the need to put a link. In the future, you may want to validate insults.
Haha, sorry man. The choppy sentence structures and lack of validation led me to believe that you were trolling.
Well sorry. To be honest I was a bit emotional today because I knew him. He was a good man.
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hansolo
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 02:25 am |
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smttysmth02gt wrote: hansolo wrote: smttysmth02gt wrote: hansolo wrote: Link please, troll.
Not a troll, just didn't feel the need to put a link. In the future, you may want to validate insults.
Haha, sorry man. The choppy sentence structures and lack of validation led me to believe that you were trolling.
Well sorry. To be honest I was a bit emotional today because I knew him. He was a good man.
No worries. That is good to be emotional. Sorry that I upset you.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 02:31 am |
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smttysmth02gt wrote: suntzu wrote: lockman wrote: After watching that video he has certainly waived his right to remain silent.
if he can prove that he was reasonably in fear of his life--he most certainly should get off. The off duty officer should have identified himself as such.
This does not sound like murder to me. He sounds as if he was in legitimate fear for his life.
as for the confession--he should have remained silent and said nothing without a lawyer present.
And this is exactly why a police officer should not be allowed to hold any off duty jobs in security or in positions where they might have to act in a law enforcement capacity...
I'd beg to disagree. The guy admitted that Brandon just told them they needed to leave and he got scared and shot him. Not sure what you're trying to defend.
Not defending anything--I don't know what he was or was not thinking--anymore than you or anyone else does. I said--if he can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was in fear of his life--he absolutely should be set free.
You don't know why he was scared--maybe the OD officer moved his hand toward his weapon--maybe he had his hand on the weapon--the story does not say and only those who were there actually know.
I'm saying that if he was in fear of his life, and actually felt that his life was in danger--he should be set free. The same as it would be if a LEO became nervous, and thought a person was reaching for a weapon and opened fire...Now on the other hand--if the 18 y/o simply shot just to shoot--then they should give him the maximum penalty under Alabama law.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 02:52 am |
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suntzu wrote: smttysmth02gt wrote: suntzu wrote: lockman wrote: After watching that video he has certainly waived his right to remain silent.
if he can prove that he was reasonably in fear of his life--he most certainly should get off. The off duty officer should have identified himself as such.
This does not sound like murder to me. He sounds as if he was in legitimate fear for his life.
as for the confession--he should have remained silent and said nothing without a lawyer present.
And this is exactly why a police officer should not be allowed to hold any off duty jobs in security or in positions where they might have to act in a law enforcement capacity...
I'd beg to disagree. The guy admitted that Brandon just told them they needed to leave and he got scared and shot him. Not sure what you're trying to defend.
Not defending anything--I don't know what he was or was not thinking--anymore than you or anyone else does. I said--if he can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was in fear of his life--he absolutely should be set free.
You don't know why he was scared--maybe the OD officer moved his hand toward his weapon--maybe he had his hand on the weapon--the story does not say and only those who were there actually know.
I'm saying that if he was in fear of his life, and actually felt that his life was in danger--he should be set free. The same as it would be if a LEO became nervous, and thought a person was reaching for a weapon and opened fire...Now on the other hand--if the 18 y/o simply shot just to shoot--then they should give him the maximum penalty under Alabama law.
So you're saying if Brandon put his hand on his pistol, the kid should be released simply because he "thought" he was going to shoot? I think I'm in fear of my life all the time, hence the reason I even carry a firearm, but I don't go around shooting potential threats.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 03:11 am |
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So you're saying if Brandon put his hand on his pistol, the kid should be released simply because he "thought" he was going to shoot?
That is the standard the police are held to. In a just society, the police are held to a higher standard than the public at large. Ergo, if it's good enough for a cop, it's good enough for Joe Sixpack.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 03:24 am |
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HungSquirrel wrote: So you're saying if Brandon put his hand on his pistol, the kid should be released simply because he "thought" he was going to shoot?
That is the standard the police are held to. In a just society, the police are held to a higher standard than the public at large. Ergo, if it's good enough for a cop, it's good enough for Joe Sixpack.
Sorry dude...not following any relevance in your post whatsoever.
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 03:49 am |
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Hmmm. Looks like there is more to this story. The guy took off after shooting the guy. Probably didn't even know he was a cop. I doubt a 'fear for your life' defence will work so well when you lead the cops in a car chase.
It's possible that the OCed weapon contributed to the shooting. Maybe the guy saw a handgun and freaked out. On the other hand, he could have been shot regardless of the OCed weapon. Nobody will ever know.Last edited on Thu Jun 4th, 2009 03:51 am by kurtmax_0
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Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 04:29 am |
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smttysmth02gt wrote: suntzu wrote: smttysmth02gt wrote: suntzu wrote: lockman wrote: After watching that video he has certainly waived his right to remain silent.
if he can prove that he was reasonably in fear of his life--he most certainly should get off. The off duty officer should have identified himself as such.
This does not sound like murder to me. He sounds as if he was in legitimate fear for his life.
as for the confession--he should have remained silent and said nothing without a lawyer present.
And this is exactly why a police officer should not be allowed to hold any off duty jobs in security or in positions where they might have to act in a law enforcement capacity...
I'd beg to disagree. The guy admitted that Brandon just told them they needed to leave and he got scared and shot him. Not sure what you're trying to defend.
Not defending anything--I don't know what he was or was not thinking--anymore than you or anyone else does. I said--if he can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was in fear of his life--he absolutely should be set free.
You don't know why he was scared--maybe the OD officer moved his hand toward his weapon--maybe he had his hand on the weapon--the story does not say and only those who were there actually know.
I'm saying that if he was in fear of his life, and actually felt that his life was in danger--he should be set free. The same as it would be if a LEO became nervous, and thought a person was reaching for a weapon and opened fire...Now on the other hand--if the 18 y/o simply shot just to shoot--then they should give him the maximum penalty under Alabama law.
So you're saying if Brandon put his hand on his pistol, the kid should be released simply because he "thought" he was going to shoot? I think I'm in fear of my life all the time, hence the reason I even carry a firearm, but I don't go around shooting potential threats.
so you are telling me that if you are walking toward someone in street clothes and he suddenly moves his hand toward a holstered firearm in a defensive/offensive posture/body language, or if he actually puts his hand ON the firearm as if he is prepared to draw it while looking in your direction and talking to you that you are not at least going to have SOME concern that he is going to draw it? Your hand does NOT go on the weapon unless you are prepared to pull it--and you don't pull it unless you are prepared to use it...other than that, you keep your hand away from the gun in public period.
sorry--your logic if flawed--you're letting emotion cloud your reasoning. Think about it logically. You put your hand on the butt of your gun as if you are prepared to draw it-you probably are.
If your friend did put his hand on his gun as if he was preparing to draw it--not saying he did, but IF he did--then the 18 y/o could indeed have been in fear for his life, and if he was in legitimate fear for his life--mistake or no--he should be set free--you don't put your hand on your pistol in public unless you are preparing to draw it--if you are not drawing it--then keep your hands away and don't fiddle with the gun.
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