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gravedigger
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 06:07 am |
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NO, don't terminate it. Just get back on tpoic. What about producing a DVD that explains the pro-gun position, and also shows the dangers of living in an unarmed society?
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ixtow
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 07:38 pm |
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gravedigger wrote: NO, don't terminate it. Just get back on tpoic. What about producing a DVD that explains the pro-gun position, and also shows the dangers of living in an unarmed society?
I think we've all rather well reached that conclusion. We jsut need to start taking action. Who can do a storyboard?
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 11:13 pm |
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gravedigger wrote: NO, don't terminate it. Just get back on tpoic. What about producing a DVD that explains the pro-gun position, and also shows the dangers of living in an unarmed society?
JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) already has a documentary that shows the dangers of living in an unarmed society. Well worth watching by all on this board, it's called "Innocents Betrayed;" but it contains some gruesome images of people slaughtered during "ethnic cleansing" incidents over the past 100 years or so. If we're going to do something like this, it needs to be easier to watch, but no less effective in conveying our position.
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ixtow
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 01:17 am |
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OK, forget storyboard. Lets just get an outline going.
"Why do you Carry a gun?"
1. Because helpless is the opposite of safe, contrary to what many have been taught.
Last edited on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 01:19 am by ixtow
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RIAShooter
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 04:34 am |
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| 2.) Because I want to negotiate with the BG in a language he can understand
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Task Force 16
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 04:55 am |
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| 3.) Because I like to have the appropriate tools for extreme emergencies.
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ixtow
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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I like where this is going, and it gives me an idea.
We've all got a slightly different "top reason" and how we would say it. Open the video with a black screen with white text "Why do you carry a gun?" Followed by a 'repoter on the street' style montage of responses, just like these.
Who is willing to put their face on the video? Know someone with a digital camera capable of taking a short video of you stating your reason while out somewhere in public? Do it! The video doesn't have to be any longer than it takes for you to actually say your reason. It can have extra dead-air before and after, as it will get edited anyway.
Keep the reasons comming. Would like a dozen or two different reasons, all with different voices and faces.
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XD-GEM
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 06:40 pm |
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| I think any video ought to contain Suzanna Gratia Hupp's story.
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ixtow
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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Agreed, but for the moment, I want to get an intro that looks and feels like every response the media has edited out of their proadcasts.
Who is willing to put themselves on camera?
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RIAShooter
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 09:07 pm |
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| I've met a lot of people off this website and I think the hardest part is going to be finding a face the camera likes... Ha ha JK
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gravedigger
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Posted: Sun Aug 17th, 2008 06:40 am |
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I have no problem with people seeing my smiling face on camera. What if we were to do a TEST video short, you know, simply respond in a short low bandwidth video with a webcam and see if someone can take them and assemble them into something great! We could post the videos on a hosting site that uses a password, so ONLY we can view them for now, and download them to play with edits and offer beta videos to watch and critique. Hmm, I'm going to try to do one tomorrow afternoon, and upload it.
I could open a PUTFILE account and let everyone have password access to it there. We'd upload the videos and take them into some editing program and see how it develops. What say you?
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DJBiker
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 04:46 am |
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| This DVD idea is a great one. If it gets made, please tell me where to get one so I can hand them out all over TN.
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Louisiana Carry
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Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2008 06:30 am |
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I do this now.
I give them two cards, one about liberty, and one about guns.
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Task Force 16
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 03:59 am |
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I would suggest that scenes of people carrying firearms doing every day stuff, be intermingled with the "interviews". Like shopping at the grocery store, eating out, having fun with their kids, helping little ol' ladies accross the street (ok that one might be a bit much).
you get the idea. Let the viewer know that we're people just like them, we just don't care to go through life declawed and defanged.
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ixtow
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 04:37 am |
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I'd like to see 3 different categories of the "Q and A" scenes.
1) quick, one question, one simple answer "informal, just walked up to a guy on the street and asked."
2) proracted responses, multiple questions, but still "informal, just walked up to a guy on the street and asked."
3) actual "May I ask you a few questions" kind of a sit-down quick interview.
I like the idea of having scienes of people just being people (with their guns) during times of narrator monologue.
I'd like to see some of the snide remarks/queries played in the questions too. We know that some anti's are going to get their hands on this, and I'd like them to see their own rude commentary addressed in our calm matter-of-fact fashion.
ANTI: "What are you compensating for?"
OCDOer: "You, and your lack of logic and decency."
OK, so maybe that one is a bit hostile... :-P You know what I mean. I haven't experienced any of it myself, I live in a Rights Denied/Perpetual Martial Law State (Florida). Any of you who have had slick comebacks/quips to anti's insults, which remained on topical target without getting too personal (maybe jsut a little). Or thought of something you shoulda said... ;-) Now would be the chance to pipe up and put out there for everyone to see and hear. Even just have the cameraman play devil's advocate, or just take the attitude of the disgusted anti who can't beleive anyone still dares assume that they have rights in their presence. Or have the cameraman play 3rd party to it... Man, I have ideas comming out my you-know-where....
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 07:27 am |
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Well, I know very little about putting a DVD together, but if someone does, I say we all submit a 60 second video to him/her to put together a test video just to see the concept in action. I'll comb my hair and do one tomorrow if possible between jobs. Make 'em small in size. Quality doesn't matter at this point. It can be grainy or fuzzy ... just REAL. I'll check back tomorrow and maybe post a short vid for your .. amusement!
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WCrawford
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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During my Armed Security/Carry Permit class, the instructor (retired Metro Nashville Police Officer) stated he was once asked why he carried a handgun by a rookie police officer. I thought his response was great. "Because I can't carry you."
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 06:24 pm |
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I love the DVD idea! A pocket sized DVD with a 15 minute video to watch on a TV or a computer. Now, I live here in California, so there is no chance of me capturing or interviewing people going about their daily activities while carrying a gun. I can do interviews though, and with two camcorders on tripods, it could be a simple one-man operation. Editing later would give you the two camera back-and-forth conversation. Hmmm... I don't want this idea to die! Lets get it going!
How about we START by creating 10 questions to ask each person. The questions should not be "leading" in any way. That is how liberals ask questions ...
Typical liberal question: "Don't you think that a mall full of untrained citizens carrying loaded guns makes it an unsafe environment for your children?"
So let's come up with the questions: How about these?
1. If you were allowed to carry a loaded gun for self-defense, would you carry one routinely like you now carry your cellular phone and your (wallet / purse)?
2. Is your hesitation to carry a gun founded in your uncertainty about how the law would view your lethal use of that gun in a life-threatening situation?
3. Do you view carrying a gun as a privilege or a right?
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 04:50 pm |
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Weak 9mm wrote: Personal defense has nothing to do with religion, g money. 
Unless you consider personal defense to be a Right. The Declaration of Independence states that our Rights, which are unalienable, come from our Creator(A). You may believe in a different Creator than I do, but that Creator must be the same Creator of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Saddam, Adolf, you and me (B).
If you believe that your rights are unalienable, you must believe that they came from your Creator. I suppose you can claim a different Creator than I claim, but that's how religion has EVERYTHING to do with your rights.
This thread's been dead for a few weeks, so I felt safe posting this, even though it is religious. As to what should be on the card:
Rights come from our Creator
2A says that I have this Right
I recognize that evil could be around the next corner and will be ready to defend my Rights when that time comes. Aka, I read the paper and recognize that anything could happen to me.
A. It further means that no government or entity has more authority than that Creator. Once the right is given by the Creator, the Creator will not take it away and the Creator is the only one able to do so.(so long as you're law abiding or a citizen in good standing...)
B. This fact rules out "your mom" and must be a "god".
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ixtow
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 05:13 pm |
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bignflnut wrote: Weak 9mm wrote: Personal defense has nothing to do with religion, g money.
Unless you consider personal defense to be a Right. The Declaration of Independence states that our Rights, which are unalienable, come from our Creator(A). You may believe in a different Creator than I do, but that Creator must be the same Creator of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Saddam, Adolf, you and me (B).
If you believe that your rights are unalienable, you must believe that they came from your Creator. I suppose you can claim a different Creator than I claim, but that's how religion has EVERYTHING to do with your rights.
This thread's been dead for a few weeks, so I felt safe posting this, even though it is religious. As to what should be on the card:
Rights come from our Creator
2A says that I have this Right
I recognize that evil could be around the next corner and will be ready to defend my Rights when that time comes. Aka, I read the paper and recognize that anything could happen to me.
A. It further means that no government or entity has more authority than that Creator. Once the right is given by the Creator, the Creator will not take it away and the Creator is the only one able to do so.(so long as you're law abiding or a citizen in good standing...)
B. This fact rules out "your mom" and must be a "god".
Big Bang, God, Allah, Mother Earth (for you hippies), whatever.
It never ceases to amaze me how the same ignorant hatred that the anti-religious accuse 'believers' of, is ALWAYS displayed manifold by the accusers; with the accused usually wondering "WTF?" That alone, is a compelling argument in favor of the Bible Thumpers...
We have the right. It is a basic human right. Those who would try to take it are pure evil.
Does it matter where we think it came from? NO! ANY reason to support a basic human right, is a good reason. Theism, or otherwise. I could believe that my kitchen table made me what I am. It doesn't matter. The fact is, that I AM a human, no matter how I got here, and that I have the right because I'm a human being. If it was a big explosion and lots of introspection, or a verse from a book that made a little light go on over your head. It doesn't disqualify the matter even if it's untrue. I'm still here, and I'm still a human being. In short, the arguement over where we came from does not negate that we are here. And merely being here is where our rights come from.
If you're filled with hatred for either; your argument deflates itself as you have proven your own lack of foundation. You cannot believe in or support a right, if you feel others don't have it. Human Rights are more than just the 2A. If you think you have the authority to strip away anything from another, you fail your own point.
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