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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2009 11:34 pm |
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Nah, you'd be in there all by yerself. That group was disbanded after it was declassified. We now have a NEW group, VA2A(2). If you can make our next meeting...which is tomorrow in Chantilly VA, AND you OC... You're IN!! whatcha say Hank? Can you make the Chantilly meeting tomorrow? I'll give you the details if you can attend, but no lies or kidding around, you GOTTA show! I can even give you the 2 meter repeater frequency we monitor for talk-in directions.
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HankT
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 01:49 pm |
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nakedshoplifter wrote: Nah, you'd be in there all by yerself. That group was disbanded after it was declassified. We now have a NEW group, VA2A(2). If you can make our next meeting...which is tomorrow in Chantilly VA, AND you OC... You're IN!! whatcha say Hank? Can you make the Chantilly meeting tomorrow? I'll give you the details if you can attend, but no lies or kidding around, you GOTTA show! I can even give you the 2 meter repeater frequency we monitor for talk-in directions.
Too far.....too far away...
Keep me in mind for VA2A(3), though. I like a good conversation, wherever I can get it.
But tell you what, Ima starting an OCDO overflow discussion space soon. If you want, you can join, np. It won't be a secret club like yours'n was...
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Thu Sep 10th, 2009 03:50 pm |
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HankT
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Posted: Sun Sep 13th, 2009 07:56 pm |
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nakedshoplifter wrote: HankT wrote: nakedshoplifter wrote: Nah, you'd be in there all by yerself. That group was disbanded after it was declassified. We now have a NEW group, VA2A(2). If you can make our next meeting...which is tomorrow in Chantilly VA, AND you OC... You're IN!! whatcha say Hank? Can you make the Chantilly meeting tomorrow? I'll give you the details if you can attend, but no lies or kidding around, you GOTTA show! I can even give you the 2 meter repeater frequency we monitor for talk-in directions.
Too far.....too far away...
Keep me in mind for VA2A(3), though. I like a good conversation, wherever I can get it.
But tell you what, Ima starting an OCDO overflow discussion space soon. If you want, you can join, np. It won't be a secret club like yours'n was...
I love a great discussion too, next time there's a health/hospital event in DC you should look me up.
Huh? 
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 11:09 pm |
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Another case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© is shown below.
Steven Rodvold is a gun guy. Like you. Like me. But he almost certainly is not a member of OCDO. If he was, he would have seen HPCSD. And he would have seen its wisdom and application. He would have known that HPCSD always applies:
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
Young Rodvold is in deep trouble now. If only he could have been part of our group, almost all of who have agreed that HPCSD is the most powerful conceptualization to come along in many years...
I wish I could have gotten HPCSD to Rodvold in time...
UPDATE: Details emerge in Huron County homicide
By Cory Frolik
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
CLARKSFIELD TWP.
Blood stains the wooden porch behind the Clarksfield Township home of Keith Rodvold.
The blood belonged to Rodvold, 51, who lived at the 92 Ohio 60 North residence. Authorities found the man dead from six gunshot wounds to the upper torso and head on Thursday.
Authorities said it’s no mystery who killed him: It was his son, Steven Rodvold.
A man identifying himself as the 26-year-old son admitted to pulling the trigger in his 911 call.
“Hi, my name is Steven Rodvold and I, uh, just had to shoot my dad,” he said in a calm voice to a 911 dispatcher.
Although they know who shot Rodvold, authorities said they are working hard to build a case against him.
Steven Rodvold allegedly claimed in interviews he shot his father in self-defense. He makes a similar claim in the original 911 call.
Asked by a dispatcher why he shot his father, Steven Rodvold answers: “Because he was going to get a gun and going to shoot me.”
But Huron County Sheriff’s Capt. Ted Patrick said the self-defense story didn’t hold up to scrutiny.
“His initial claim was self-defense, but it became apparent in one short interview and two other lengthy interviews he had other options than to do what he did,” Patrick said. “Our investigation is showing he had other options than to shoot and kill his father.”
Huron County coroner Jeff Harwood said an autopsy showed Rodvold was shot twice in the head, once in the right upper arm, once in the chest and once in each hand.
“I think the head wounds would have been immediately fatal,” Harwood said.
Bullet fragments were removed from the skull and will be tested against the .357-caliber revolver found at the scene, Harwood said. The bullets that struck Rodvold in the hands, arm and body went clear through.
Harwood said he is unsure how close the shooter was to Rodvold when he fired the shots.
Steven Rodvold knows his way around a gun.
Neighbors said he and his father owned a veritable arsenal of weapons and Steven Rodvold showed off his new “toys” — guns and knives — whenever he got one.
According to a local recruiting office, Steven Rodvold served as a specialist in the U.S. Army.
After completing his term of service, he was on individual ready reserve, meaning he could be re-activated at any time, the office said.
Steven Rodvold attended New London High School from 1999-2001, but it is unclear whether he graduated. He was on track in 2001 to graduate in 2003.
Former classmates described Steven Rodvold as “weird” and “a loner type.” Several classmates said he kept to himself at school and didn’t have a lot of friends. Two former peers said Rodvold gave them “the creeps.”
Another former classmate said Rodvold seemed to him no different than any of the other students at the school.
“He seemed to be a pretty OK kid, but he never talked to me all that much,” said one student who had study hall and home economics with Rodvold. “He was OK, he just kept to himself and wore dark clothes — he wasn’t nuts or anything.”
Colorado Springs resident Roland Rodvold — who is Keith Rodvold’s father and Steven Rodvold’s grandfather — declined to comment for this article.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2009/09/22/front/doc4ab91a1a5b92e581681395.txt
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bohdi
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 11:09 am |
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HankT
He would have known that HPCSD always applies:
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
NOT.
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HankT
State Researcher
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Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 02:04 am |
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Yes, indeed.....HPCSD always applies....
Now, here is yet another case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense©. Only this one shows how an agitated gun-wielder must have known about HPCSD and followed this valuable precept---to his everlasting credit and good fortune.
Read it and weep, gentleman. Tears of joy, of course, because it once again indicates the wisdom of the following:
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
Thank God I got to the father in time! 
September 23, 2009
Father won't be charged for striking man having sex with daughter
MILLARD K. IVES Staff Writer
WILDWOOD -- A father who attacked his 37-year-old best friend and roommate with the butt of a shotgun after finding him having sex with his 16-year-old daughter will not be charged in the attack.
Officials with the State Attorney's Office declined to file charges against the Wildwood father in the attack that sent the 37-year-old man and roommate to Leesburg Regional Medical Center with head injuries.
Bill Gladson, a supervisor with the State Attorney's Office, said the father had the right to use reasonable force to prevent his daughter from becoming the victim of a sex crime.
The 37-year-old also had signed a waiver at the hospital, stating he didn't want the father charged, according to Wildwood police.
"He didn't want to cooperate as far as filing charges against his best friend," said Wildwood police Sgt. Russell Poitevent.
The 37-year-old was arrested on seven counts of unlawful activity and sex with a minor after leaving the hospital on Aug. 24.
He was still being held in the Sumter County jail on Tuesday in lieu of $70,000 bail.
The Daily Commercial does not publish the names of sexual assault victims or any information that would identify them.
The incident occurred in August at the Stanley Street home of the 37-year-old man, who shared the residence with the father and daughter.
Wildwood police said when the father came into the home, he grabbed the first thing he saw -- the shotgun. Poitevent said the father knew the gun was unloaded and didn't try to shoot his friend, but did strike the man hard enough to send him to the hospital.
Police said after striking the man with the gun, the father pinned him down until police arrived.
The father was taken into custody, questioned and released.
http://www.dailycommercial.com/localnews/story/092309shotgun
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wrightme
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Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 02:48 am |
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HankT wrote: Young Rodvold is in deep trouble now. If only he could have been part of our group, almost all of who have agreed that HPCSD is the most powerful conceptualization to come along in many years... I find it amazing that you can pat yourself on the back hard enough to even type that sentence and hit the "enter" key without adding a few. 
and maybe a couple of 
But, you seem to be deluded to think it is like this
To that, I say
There is no visible group who falls into lockstep with HPCSD.
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bohdi
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Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 11:31 am |
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Bikenut
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Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 01:52 pm |
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HankT wrote: Another case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© is shown below.
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
Hank...
Stating that it is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person as an absolute is misleading since it ignores the simple fact that fists and feet, when used to inflict great bodily harm and/or death are weapons!
Hence ... the reality of life is every physically normal human being is equipped at birth with the weapons of hand and feet and there is no such thing as an unarmed person.
You see Sir, the key element in any self defense encounter is that imminent threat of inflicting great bodily harm or death regardless of how that threat is about to be implemented... by gun, hammer, baseball bat, tire iron, car, truck, knife, rock..... or empty hand.
Just for an easily understood example.... it would be legally justified for a frail 80+ year old woman to shoot a healthy 18 year old man who is attacking her with his bare hands.
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nobucks
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 08:55 pm |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/02/ap/strange/main5360243.shtml
NORWELL, Mass., Oct. 2, 2009
Cops: Mass. Couple Beat Man At KFC Over Slow Order
Police Say Mass. Couple Beat Man At KFC After Complaining Of Slow Order
(AP) Police say a couple, upset over the slowness of their Kentucky Fried Chicken order, assaulted a man who asked them to stop yelling profanities for the sake of children in line. Police said the couple was arrested Thursday after witnesses told police the couple beat the man as he was leaving the fast food joint.
According to police, 31-year-old Jared Garwimpna, of Marshfield, punched the man in the head, then Garwimpna's girlfriend, 24-year-old Sara Mohn, kicked the victim.
Mohn was arrested and charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. Garwimpna will be summoned to court for assault and battery. It's unclear if either have hired an attorney.
The victim had cuts on his eyelid and wrists but refused medical treatment.Last edited on Tue Oct 6th, 2009 08:55 pm by nobucks
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HankT
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Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 10:58 pm |
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Bikenut wrote: HankT wrote: Another case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© is shown below.
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
Hank...
Stating that it is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person as an absolute is misleading since it ignores the simple fact that fists and feet, when used to inflict great bodily harm and/or death are weapons!
HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© ignores no such thing.
BN, you must distinguish between strategy and tactics. You're conflating the two. Read some of the prior posts above and in other threads for clarification.
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Bikenut
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 01:05 am |
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HankT wrote: Bikenut wrote: HankT wrote: Another case supporting HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© is shown below.
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
Hank...
Stating that it is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person as an absolute is misleading since it ignores the simple fact that fists and feet, when used to inflict great bodily harm and/or death are weapons!
HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense© ignores no such thing.
BN, you must distinguish between strategy and tactics. You're conflating the two. Read some of the prior posts above and in other threads for clarification.
On the contrary Hank... I am well aware of what a "strategy" is and what a "tactic" is.
It is a good "strategy" to decide to use the most effective response to preserve life and limb according to the personal factors operative in an individual's life circumstances if presented with an imminent attack that threatens life and limb. If, according to the personal factors operative in the individual's life, the most effective response to an imminent threat of great bodily harm or death involves the use of a gun then that is a good "strategy" regardless of the instrument(s) that constitute the threat.
The "tactics" would be the actions used to implement that "strategy".
But your "postulate" fails simply because it is offered as an absolute... and absolutes do not relate to human life situations, individual conditions, endeavors, actions, or interactions.
And your "postulate" is misleading, I believe intentionally, with the word "unarmed" in the hopes folks will accept the implication that hands/feet/and even the penis' of AIDS infected males would not qualify as deadly weapons a person is justified in using deadly force to defend themselves from.
And Hank... I have read (you know... doing research) almost, if not all, of your posts concerning your "postulate" on this forum and the common theme is the same.
I am convinced you are hiding behind psuedo intellectual arguments in order to proliferate misinformation. And gleefully enjoying the smug assumption that folks actually believe that your "postulate" has merit.
How's your new "gun first philosophy" enduring the cold clean light of common sense?
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nakedshoplifter
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 01:21 am |
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| Hey Hank.... Are you ever going to answer our simple question "Does HankT open carry"?
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wrightme
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Posted: Wed Oct 7th, 2009 01:23 am |
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nakedshoplifter wrote: Hey Hank.... Are you ever going to answer our simple question "Does HankT open carry"? What!???? And place himself in a position to possibly need to violate HPCSD? 
Sure.
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rolexbenz190e
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Posted: Thu Oct 8th, 2009 12:04 am |
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inbox485
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Posted: Tue Oct 20th, 2009 10:00 pm |
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HankT wrote:
Agent 19 recently posted the link about the Harold Fish case. A tragic and disheartening case it is... and is explained here:
http://www.haroldfishdefense.org/
After reading through it, I'm just sad that Fish wasn't aware of HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense (HPCSD):
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
This conceptual wisdom might have helped Fish deal with his self defense in 2006.
Once again, HPCSD is found to be supported. It is amazing how accurate and robust this postulate has been throughout the years...
Quite right. Had he known about your copyrighted acronyms, and followed them, he would be dead and never have to deal with that whole pesky trial and ten year incarceration. What was he thinking?
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HankT
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Posted: Wed Oct 21st, 2009 01:03 am |
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inbox485 wrote: HankT wrote:
Agent 19 recently posted the link about the Harold Fish case. A tragic and disheartening case it is... and is explained here:
http://www.haroldfishdefense.org/
After reading through it, I'm just sad that Fish wasn't aware of HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense (HPCSD):
It is a bad strategy to shoot an unarmed person.
This conceptual wisdom might have helped Fish deal with his self defense in 2006.
Once again, HPCSD is found to be supported. It is amazing how accurate and robust this postulate has been throughout the years...
...What was he thinking?
Not correctly....
Too bad I did not get to him in time. 
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okboomer
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Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 03:10 pm |
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Re: Harold Fisher case: looks to me as if the DA wanted one for the win column to bolster future political aspirations ... you know, then he could claim to be tough on violent crime ... on the backs of the convicted justified homicidal maniacs he had put away.
Other than a gun, the only thing that I have seen stop an aggressive dog from attacking is a face full of OC spray. Now, that stuff does the trick even on aggressive pit bulls!
Poor Harold was screwed from the get-go and I don't think his lawyer was fighting in his weight class. Harold hired the wrong tool for the job.
Also, where was the NRA in Harold's defense? I was informed by Darren DeLong, OK NRA Local Field Rep., that the NRA would be proactive in defense of SD shootings, whether you were a member of the NRA or not. Also, the Oklahoma Rifleman's Association would be involved, is there not a state organization to help?
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HankT
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 02:45 pm |
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Original Message_____
From: biggin215
Date: 2009-10-29 11:03:10
Subject: Postulate on civilian self defense
I have searched all over the forum for your postulate, but I can't find it. What is it? I'm curious.
Got an inquiry about HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self-Defense©, so, here it is.
Enjoy...
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