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Mike
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 07:59 pm |
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| See attached PDF file. Attachment: Beaver County Jack Press Release for web posting 31 AUG 08.pdf (Downloaded 556 times)
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rodbender
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 10:24 pm |
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| Will they never learn? Guess they rode the short bus to school.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 11:31 pm |
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Amazing.... Disgusting actually. Since when does Obama's distant presence trump the Constitution? 'Trouble is... the jack boot thugs don't even realise they're jack boot thugs.
Equal Justice under the Law my ass! 
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Forty-five
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 11:48 pm |
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Sonora Rebel wrote: ...Since when does Obama's distant presence trump the Constitution?...
But Snobama is the chosen one </sarcasm>
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Mike
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 02:57 am |
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Another article picks up on call for justioce for MTN Jack
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http://www.590kcsj.com/cc-common/political/article.html?feed=104707&article=4175293&lc=political
Gun Arrest Near Obama Event Sparks Protest
The arrest of a gun-carrying man near a Pennsylvania event for presidential candidate Barack Obama was unfair, a gun rights group alleges.
Monday, September 1, 2008
(UPI) - The arrest of a gun-carrying man near a Pennsylvania event for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was unfair, a gun rights group alleges.
Members of OpenCarry.org contend the arrest of John Noble, 50, of Industry was uncalled for, alleging state police suspended a state law allowing the right to bear arms ahead of the scheduled presence of the Illinois senator at a nearby site, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported Monday.
Noble was arrested Friday in Beaver County near where Obama was to appear after police found him carrying a loaded semiautomatic handgun.
"I am a threat to no one," the 6-foot-3, 280-pound gun owner told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Mr. Obama doesn't trump my constitutional rights. The president of the United States doesn't trump my constitutional rights."
Noble, who was handcuffed and questioned for about two hours, was told by state police he would receive two citations by mail for disorderly conduct.
Noble said he was only intending to hand out fliers about gun rights.
"I had a Bible in one hand and an apple in the other. I was going to pass out my fliers, but I never got the chance," he said.
OpenCarry.org officials have called on Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell to intercede, the Tribune-Review said.
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Mike
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 03:00 am |
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And again - Isee now, UPI picked it up
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http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/169104
Arrest near Obama event sparks protest
ALIQUIPPA, Pa., Sept. 1 (UPI) -- The arrest of a gun-carrying man near a Pennsylvania event for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was unfair, a gun rights group alleges.
Members of OpenCarry.org contend the arrest of John Noble, 50, of Industry was uncalled for, alleging state police suspended a state law allowing the right to bear arms ahead of the scheduled presence of the Illinois senator at a nearby site, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported Monday.
Noble was arrested Friday in Beaver County near where Obama was to appear after police found him carrying a loaded semiautomatic handgun.
"I am a threat to no one," the 6-foot-3, 280-pound gun owner told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Mr. Obama doesn't trump my constitutional rights. The president of the United States doesn't trump my constitutional rights."
Noble, who was handcuffed and questioned for about two hours, was told by state police he would receive two citations by mail for disorderly conduct.
Noble said he was only intending to hand out fliers about gun rights.
"I had a Bible in one hand and an apple in the other. I was going to pass out my fliers, but I never got the chance," he said.
OpenCarry.org officials have called on Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell to intercede, the Tribune-Review said.
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Task Force 16
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:34 am |
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Have you noticed that the press doesn't refer to MTN Jack as "a LAWFULLY gun-carrying man"?
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 04:12 pm |
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ALIQUIPPA, Pa., Sept. 1 (UPI) -- The arrest of a gun-carrying man near a Pennsylvania event for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was unfair, ('How 'bout ILLEGAL?) a gun rights group alleges. (Alleges? They either did or didn't. 'Seems they did.)
Members of OpenCarry.org contend the arrest of John Noble, 50, of Industry was uncalled for, (Unwarranted to be exact) alleging state police suspended a state law (How do the State Police suspend a law? Any law? By whose authority? ) allowing the right to bear arms (The State Does not... Cannot ALLOW any prima facie RIGHT which is pre-existing. A Right does not require permission or license. The State can only recognize that Right and declare only that it not be infringed/impaired.) ahead of the scheduled presence of the Illinois senator at a nearby site, (How 'nearby'?) the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported Monday.
Noble was arrested Friday in Beaver County near where Obama was to appear after police found him carrying a loaded semiautomatic handgun. ('Wonder how many concealed carry people were in that same area?)
"I am a threat to no one," the 6-foot-3, 280-pound gun owner told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Mr. Obama doesn't trump my constitutional rights. The president of the United States doesn't trump my constitutional rights." EXACTLY!
Noble, who was handcuffed and questioned for about two hours, (That's an arrest and false imprisonment) was told by state police he would receive two citations by mail for disorderly conduct. (1A and 2A?) (By mail? Was he read 'Miranda' prior to questioning? 5A? Note the omission that his handgun (property) was siezed w/o reciept. 4A? This property was not returned upon release. Note the omission of any questioning by the Palace Guard SS! Note the omission of any reference to the Palace Guard's influence upon the PA State Police.)
Noble said he was only intending to hand out fliers about gun rights. (1A)
"I had a Bible in one hand and an apple in the other. I was going to pass out my fliers, but I never got the chance," he said. ('Read somewhere that that Bible hit the ground. If that'd been a Quran... 'feathers would fly!)
OpenCarry.org officials have called on Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell to intercede, the Tribune-Review said.
One of the best Navy classes I ever attended was: 'Propaganda, Agitation-Propaganda (Agit-Prop) and Disinformation' presented by SEAL Instructors at Coronado Amphib Base in CA (Part of the VOC-3 indoc.) prior to deploying in-country 'Nam in '71. One of the primary elements of Disinformation is 'omission'.
'the 6-foot-3, 280-pound gun owner..." Is this germain to the arrest? No. It's Agit-Prop. It infer's he's a big man... (armed) therefore a threat. This in itself is discriminatory information to the intended audience and prejudicial to the accused. Yeah... it's on the arrest report in 'Discription', but has nothing to do with the alleged offense.
I would hazard a guess... that Mtn Jack was making a 'statement' relative to Obama's "Clinging to their guns and religion' comments in San Francisco regarding Pennsylvanians. Obama... it has been seen... does not broach criticism well. (Particularly from the 'Proles). 'Could well be... this arrest was prompted by an Obama campaign operative's comment to the SS... who spooked the PA State Police to 'Do something... get him out of here... He's GOT A GUN!"
That's only my speculation... But I was a cop... and a pretty good one at the time. 'Seen things like this go down in heavily Democratic areas in regard to percieved 'protestors'.
I wish Mtn Jack all the best... and that he get his Glock back ASAP in the same condition it was when he was relieved of it. This is Tyranny! The very people who have sworn to 'defend the Constitution' have not... do not. In some instances 'will not".
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Alexcabbie
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 07:00 pm |
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Sonorarebel, the biased language you cited in the press is a prime example of the Kool-Aid I was talking about over on the discussion of the OTHER false arrest. You were a cop so you know how politically charged the job can get: As an example I as a USAF SP was told that if, in Panama, a burglary suspect got one of his feet over the Canal Zone border I could not pull him back into US territory, I had to let go of him even if I had him. So on top of that these cops have been drinking this Kool-Aid all their lives. And the general public drinks it too, and turn into nodding donkeys. All the papers have to do is call him a "gunman" or close to it as they did in this case, and most citizens will nod and say, "serves him right". Actually neither they nor our man is "served right" by this type of thing. We are all being fed a line of crap by a borderline treasonous press that aims to take away the Second Amendment by default. We need to teach our fellow itizens how to spit this garbage out in their faces.
In this regard the press is as much at fault as the arresting officers. They do not print or speak the whole truth, they shade it when it fits their agenda and they cherish the FIRST Amendment only insofar as it allows people to agree with them. A president they don't like issues an Executive order and he's a "tyrant", but let Bill Clinton fire off Order after Order and they say: "stroke of a pen, law of the land. Kind of cool". Has anybody talked to Rush or Sean Hannity or Mark Levin about this?? This sort of thing makes blood shoot outa my eyes.
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 07:25 pm |
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Ya gotta quit hittin the button twice 'cabbie... (LOL!) Sometimes it seems as tho there's snails in this thing... gettin' it to post. Patience!
Anyway... having had some dealings with the 'suits' (Feds)... 'sad to say I was not impressed. I can honestly say that had I been that PA State Trooper... 'n some 'suit' told me to arrest him... on 'somethin'... I would'a told him to go pound sand. This willing fool made a false arrest. The SS 'suit' won't suffer... but he will. Ohhh... most assuredly he will. This is similar to those 'lawful orders' in the service. Just doin' somethin' 'cause somebody with another stripe on their sleeve said so... could end you up at the wrong end of the long green table doin' a tap dance if that order was not Hoyle.
The press/MSM has long stopped being objective. Everybody with half a brain cell understands that. The talkin' heads spout BS all the time 'n there's NO accountability.
There's none from these so-called 'reporters' either... I reckon the 'truth' is whatever they say it is.
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ParaChem
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 07:41 pm |
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My question is;
Will Mr. Noble file a Civil Suit against the State Troopers, for the wrongful arrest/detainment?
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 08:12 pm |
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Alexcabbie wrote: Sonorarebel, the biased language you cited in the press is a prime example of the Kool-Aid I was talking about over on the discussion of the OTHER false arrest. You were a cop so you know how politically charged the job can get: As an example I as a USAF SP was told that if, in Panama, a burglary suspect got one of his feet over the Canal Zone border I could not pull him back into US territory, I had to let go of him even if I had him. So on top of that these cops have been drinking this Kool-Aid all their lives. And the general public drinks it too, and turn into nodding donkeys. All the papers have to do is call him a "gunman" or close to it as they did in this case, and most citizens will nod and say, "serves him right". Actually neither they nor our man is "served right" by this type of thing. We are all being fed a line of crap by a borderline treasonous press that aims to take away the Second Amendment by default. We need to teach our fellow itizens how to spit this garbage out in their faces.
In this regard the press is as much at fault as the arresting officers. They do not print or speak the whole truth, they shade it when it fits their agenda and they cherish the FIRST Amendment only insofar as it allows people to agree with them. A president they don't like issues an Executive order and he's a "tyrant", but let Bill Clinton fire off Order after Order and they say: "stroke of a pen, law of the land. Kind of cool". Has anybody talked to Rush or Sean Hannity or Mark Levin about this?? This sort of thing makes blood shoot outa my eyes.
+1, Anyone written a letter to the editor yet?
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 03:31 pm |
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| I wonder if it would have been the Republican National Convention if Palin being such a NRA activist would have helped through the media in any way. I am sure that Obama being so Liberal will love the fact that this has happened.
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Tucker6900
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Posted: Wed Sep 10th, 2008 04:18 pm |
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ParaChem wrote: My question is;
Will Mr. Noble file a Civil Suit against the State Troopers, for the wrongful arrest/detainment?
If hes not, he should. This is blatant disregard for the constitutional right to bear arms and should not be tolerated.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 07:07 am |
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| You would think that after all the news media's coverage of the same mistakes and the same outcome of these unwarranted arrest that States would start wiseing up. I wish that more people would press the issue, gun related or not.
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Carnivore
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 04:18 pm |
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Tucker6900 wrote: ParaChem wrote: My question is;
Will Mr. Noble file a Civil Suit against the State Troopers, for the wrongful arrest/detainment?
If hes not, he should. This is blatant disregard for the constitutional right to bear arms and should not be tolerated.
IMHO I don't think the state cares, I truely think the state police were pawns for the secret service so the profile of this issue would stay in the state of Pa. I can only imagine that the secret service could have possibly considered Jack as a decoy, and stayed on task with their responsibility and cued the state to remove Jack from the scene, and I honestly feel that any monies that could be awarded at the end of how ever long they decide to drag this out will be footed by the feds. in some shape /form / or fashion. No matter how bad the state gets a black eye from this action, they will forever claim that they diffused a potentially bad situation..
Now before I get attacked by all the Cop Haters and those among ya'll that can't wait to say I'm a fly by night 2A supporter, I will type once again, this is just my HUMBLE opinion!!
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Tucker6900
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 04:22 pm |
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Carnivore wrote:
Now before I get attacked by all the Cop Haters and those among ya'll that can't wait to say I'm a fly by night 2A supporter, I will type once again, this is just my HUMBLE opinion!!
Whoever said you were allowed your opinion, let alone a humble one!!!
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mvpel
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 04:44 pm |
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Carnivore wrote: IMHO I don't think the state cares, I truely think the state police were pawns for the secret service so the profile of this issue would stay in the state of Pa.
Given the long pattern of behavior of police in Pennsylvania and across the country towards lawful, peaceable open carry, what could possibly lead you to believe that the State Police were "pawns" for the Secret Service, instead of swaggering arrogant Secret-Service-wannabe cops with a minuscule grasp of the law and constitutional rights as is usual for local police who choose to confront lawful open carriers?
The director of the Secret Service office was interviewed, and said that the agents were aware of Nobles, had talked to him, and said that he WAS NOT IN THE EVENT AREA.
Secret Service agents are typically much smarter than the average cop, because the Secret Service is far, far more selective than the average police department, because they have a nationwide applicant pool.
They're well aware that open- and licensed or unlicensed concealed-carry is the norm in all but a handful of states across the nation. They're well aware of Constitutional rights and how not to violate them, and could probably explain the various applicable court cases to you if you asked them, and recite their state's handgun carry laws verbatim from memory.
They're also not stupid enough to think that just because you can't see a gun, it means that there is no gun, and they set up their perimeters, checkpoints, and procedures with this issue in mind.
When was the last time you heard of the Secret Service settling a lawsuit for $10,000 over an illegal detention like Norfolk, Virginia just did? Never, right? That's because they don't do stupid things like arresting someone with zero basis in the law or fact.
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Carnivore
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 02:00 am |
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what could possibly lead you to believe that the State Police were "pawns" for the Secret Service,
The secret services authority will most certainly always override the authority of any state /county/local cop in any scenario anywhere. I doubt very seriously if any of the uniformed officers had a clue who or how many present were even secret service, thats not for them to know. But I'd be willing to bet the secret service knew everything about each and every uniformed officer present and how many of them were there. Thus, the upperhand!
The director of the Secret Service office was interviewed, and said that the agents were aware of Nobles, had talked to him, and said that he WAS NOT IN THE EVENT AREA.
Yes, I read that part also, Jack as best they could readily observe, was only 1 man, had anyone else in the OC community had the fortitude to accompany jack , to achieve the numbers of maybe a half dozen or so, that would have been a big enough distraction and potential threat therefore I'm sure louder alarms would have gone off.
They're well aware that open- and licensed or unlicensed concealed-carry is the norm in all but a handful of states across the nation. They're well aware of Constitutional rights and how not to violate them, and could probably explain the various applicable court cases to you if you asked them, and recite their state's handgun carry laws verbatim from memory.
Thats why the state police were most likely told to queitly and gently diffuse the situation, and most likely they figured it would be a lot smoother to move him away from the scene other than cause a loud argument, or roll jack to the ground and forcefully disarm him at gun point.
They're also not stupid enough to think that just because you can't see a gun, it means that there is no gun, and they set up their perimeters, checkpoints, and procedures with this issue in mind.
Exactly! thats my theory on the Secret service might have assumed that Jack could have been a decoy to draw 100% attention,this little distraction wasn't even a speed bump for the secret service at this point, so the state police were most likely given orders to wipe up this small spill, we've got bigger fish to fry except Jack maintained a more professional and dignified stance and had simply had normal tone conversation with the officers in his immediate vicinity instead of jumping up and down screaming and being stupid about his right to OC. so the secret service allowed the state police to carry out their directives.
When was the last time you heard of the Secret Service settling a lawsuit for $10,000 over an illegal detention like Norfolk, Virginia just did? Never, right? That's because they don't do stupid things like arresting someone with zero basis in the law or fact.
$10,000 ain't squat !! Thats chicken feed at the state level, and that Norfolk scenario didn't involve the feds. The Democratic national convention, or federal govt. will most likely compensate the state of Pa./ the county/ and who ever elses jurisdiction was involved in this convention in the form of officers pay for sure, and any other losses incurred during the execution of their duties during a specific time frame. I'm sure the CIA/Secret service and god only knows what other branches of the federal govt. have an endless budget, they will even print or counterfit their own payoff funds if they need to..
NOW once again this is only my opinion..just like A$$holes, we all have one and most of em stink !!
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 02:24 am |
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| I still think that if one cop had not shot off his mouth with "Well, you're under arrest" it would have turned out differently.
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