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Citizen
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Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 01:56 am |
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Well, its 9:50 pm. Been 20 minutes since he issued the payback warning.
I'm starting to worry. He must be cooking up something really good.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 03:02 am |
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Citizen wrote: Well, its 9:50 pm. Been 20 minutes since he issued the payback warning.
I'm starting to worry. He must be cooking up something really good.
A little paranoia can be a healthy thing. 
Yata hey
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KnightSG7
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Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 03:31 am |
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I love the looks I get when cutting the grass.... 
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Citizen
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Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 04:16 am |
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KnightSG7 wrote: I love the looks I get when cutting the grass....
"I got a real problem with moles, Officer. They're killin' my blue-grass somethin' terrible."
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Mr.Advocate
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Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 06:32 am |
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Grapeshot wrote: Citizen wrote: Well, its 9:50 pm. Been 20 minutes since he issued the payback warning.
I'm starting to worry. He must be cooking up something really good.
A little paranoia can be a healthy thing.
Yata hey
wear it everywhere, better safe than sorry
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gunman
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gunman
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gunman
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JB-Indiana
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Well, I don't typically carry a gun around the home, unless I'm already wearing it (say, I leave home, then return, then plan on leaving again). Normally, I don't wear a weapon around the home because guns aren't particularly conducive to lounging around in. Though, there are guns placed "strategically" throughout my home.
However, I have no kids, nor am I married. I do have an elderly parent that lives with me, and they're aware of where all weapons are located and also have ready access to those weapons. There's a high probability (and no doubt in my own mind that they would utilize them judiciously if the need arose. Further, my lady is also aware of the various locations, and holds a CCW herself. Again, I have no doubt she would make use of one (or her own) if the need arose.
Personally, I feel that if someone wants to wear a weapon around the home, or around their property (especially those with multi-acre properties), that's their option, that's their personal preference, and that's their right. I come over for a friendly visit to your place and you're wearing a weapon, fine with me. I have NO issue with ANY decent citizen wearing a weapon, at home or otherwise.
Ya know what I'd REALLY like to see happen? ALL the good and decent folk of this country carrying a weapon and NONE of the bad guys having guns.
Sound good to YOU? Yeah, me too. But the problem is HOW do we do that? I have no easy answers, but I think each day we're coming just a bit closer. It's just a matter of utilizing a "common sense" approach to the 2nd Amendment. Sadly, this is an approach that many, many, many politicians (and even LEO's) fail to utilize... common sense. Besides, it's easier for fat-cats (politicians OR LEO's!) to "battle" with the decent folk that are TRYING to obey the law AND keep their own rights than it is to ACTUALLY battle the scumbags that don't care.
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JB-Indiana wrote: Well, I don't typically carry a gun around the home, unless I'm already wearing it (say, I leave home, then return, then plan on leaving again). Normally, I don't wear a weapon around the home because guns aren't particularly conducive to lounging around in. Though, there are guns placed "strategically" throughout my home.
However, I have no kids, nor am I married. I do have an elderly parent that lives with me, and they're aware of where all weapons are located and also have ready access to those weapons. There's a high probability (and no doubt in my own mind that they would utilize them judiciously if the need arose. Further, my lady is also aware of the various locations, and holds a CCW herself. Again, I have no doubt she would make use of one (or her own) if the need arose.
Personally, I feel that if someone wants to wear a weapon around the home, or around their property (especially those with multi-acre properties), that's their option, that's their personal preference, and that's their right. I come over for a friendly visit to your place and you're wearing a weapon, fine with me. I have NO issue with ANY decent citizen wearing a weapon, at home or otherwise.
Ya know what I'd REALLY like to see happen? ALL the good and decent folk of this country carrying a weapon and NONE of the bad guys having guns.
Sound good to YOU? Yeah, me too. But the problem is HOW do we do that? I have no easy answers, but I think each day we're coming just a bit closer. It's just a matter of utilizing a "common sense" approach to the 2nd Amendment. Sadly, this is an approach that many, many, many politicians (and even LEO's) fail to utilize... common sense. Besides, it's easier for fat-cats (politicians OR LEO's!) to "battle" with the decent folk that are TRYING to obey the law AND keep their own rights than it is to ACTUALLY battle the scumbags that don't care.
So true JB, so freakin true, they love battling with us law biding citizens cause we are like a deer in the woods surrounded by hunters in tree's everywhere, but when it comes to the bad guys, they just don't play nice , so Leo's stay out of there neighborhoods and out of way if they can, and come after us in our neighborhoods and on very populated main roads and harass us for the simple fact we are law abiding citizens we will pull over if caught speeding, if they know on our door, we will open it for them once we check to see who it is, then they go to harassing. They know the bad neighborhoods but they stay out of them from pure fear, when thats the main reason to becoming a LEO is to protect us law abiders from those stick bags in those bad neighbor hoods. They know the bad neighborhoods because we find out by someone else telling us , checking out for ourselves and then letting LEO's know and they do nothing about it, instead they sit along the roadways with radar and get us for speeding, or illegal tint, or something else stupid, meanwhile someone is getting raped , murdered, or harassed by thugs all because there writing a ticket for nonsense or they the LEO's are harassing some law abiding citizens for OC'ing. lol, isn't it ironic
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JB-Indiana
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Posted: Sat Feb 14th, 2009 10:12 am |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: So true JB, so freakin true, they love battling with us law biding citizens cause we are like a deer in the woods surrounded by hunters in tree's everywhere, but when it comes to the bad guys, they just don't play nice , so Leo's stay out of there neighborhoods and out of way if they can, and come after us in our neighborhoods and on very populated main roads and harass us for the simple fact we are law abiding citizens we will pull over if caught speeding, if they know on our door, we will open it for them once we check to see who it is, then they go to harassing. They know the bad neighborhoods but they stay out of them from pure fear, when thats the main reason to becoming a LEO is to protect us law abiders from those stick bags in those bad neighbor hoods. They know the bad neighborhoods because we find out by someone else telling us , checking out for ourselves and then letting LEO's know and they do nothing about it, instead they sit along the roadways with radar and get us for speeding, or illegal tint, or something else stupid, meanwhile someone is getting raped , murdered, or harassed by thugs all because there writing a ticket for nonsense or they the LEO's are harassing some law abiding citizens for OC'ing. lol, isn't it ironic
They (meaning the policiticans) "battle" with the decent folk because it's a L-O-T safer than battling with the scumbags (who might actually shoot them) about gun rights / laws. The scumbags don't obey the doggone gun laws, anyway. Uh, is it me or isn't this just common knowledge? Mr. Advocate, you're from Alabama, isn't that observation just as true in Alabama as it is in Indiana (or any of the other 6 States I've lived in)?
Politicians "scared"? You BET they are, and I'll give you a perfect example. I live next door to Gary, IN. Let me preface by saying MOST of the citizens of Gary are good and decent folks. With some regularity, I attend games in Gary for the local team, the Railcats. BTW, and EXCELLENT place to go see indy-teams baseball, and probably safer than Fort Knox!
Any-hoo, I was there one day with a few friends, and about 10 rows behind us sat the current Mayor of Gary, Rudy Clay (don't ask my opinion of that low-life, I'll get banned from the forum for the language I use, LOL). Well, sure, ol' Rudy is right out there with us "common folk", WITH a Gary LEO as a bodyguard about 10 feet away. You think ol' Rudy would dare walk the streets of Gary (the neighborhood around the stadium is a virtual cesspool) around that stadium WITHOUT a bodyguard(s)? HA! But Gary has ridiculous gun laws against the decent folks of Gary, to "supposedly" make Gary a safer community. Yeah? Well, if it's "now" a safer city, then why does the Mayor need a bodyguard at what is arguably the safest place in Gary? I go to that stadium and I feel LESS safe when I'm in a bank with armed security AND cops present!
The point, it's a LOT easier for the Gary Mayor to deny good and decent folks their right to protect themselves than it is for him to clean up the city from the street scum that lurks there like rats in a sewer. Do I KNOW this is a problem? You bet, because I have more than one friend who is a Gary LEO, and had to deal with some of the "overflow" when I worked the Gary side of my own community.
As for me, I was more concerned than catchin' bad guys than writing tickets. I refused to do "sobriety checkpoints" or "seatbelt checkpoints" (roadblocks) as well, because they're un-Constitutional. BTW, my old PD no longer does these roadblocks because... TaDa! they're un-Constitutional! Which is what *I* told 'em 20-some years ago, LOL.
I don't know about EVERY area of the country (obviously), but around here, generally speaking, the LEO's are more concerned with real criminals than about some law-abiding citizen OC'ing their personal defense weapon. It IS true that an LEO MAY (and I do mean MAY) ask to see your CCW / permit. But to be realistic, that's not an unfair request, and IMO it's not harassment (unless it's the same cop doing it EVERY time he sees you). To OC / CC in Indiana, you have to have a valid CCW, and it's fair for a LEO to ask to see that license. We drive cars, and he also looks at the plate to see if the license / registration is valid. Is it, perhaps, bothersome at times. I suppose. But I've never had a problem with doing so.
I dunno, maybe that's just me, because I've done the job. I checked a few people (laws were different then, not as many people carrying) to make sure they had a valid license. As long as that was kosher, I passed no further judgment as to their ethnicity, religion (for those wearing specific religious garb), age, "look", or anything else. Maybe I've just been around guns so much I'm fairly non-chalant about them?
Yeah, I started shooting when I was 6. At age 7 I joined the Young Marines (sponsored by the Marine Corps. Like the Boy Scouts, and IMO, just as cool, maybe cooler!). We did a lot of competitive / target shooting with pellet guns (had to qualify with pellet guns first) and .22 LR's. Was in that until they disbanded it (at least around here) some 7 years or so later.
Over the years, while not grossly consistently, I've typically shot probably 200 - 300 rounds / week, at times as much as 1000 rds. / week for several years. So, I think I've been fortunate to be able to enjoy shooting as a hobby as well as the self-defense aspects.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14th, 2009 01:42 pm |
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They (meaning the policiticans) "battle" with the decent folk because it's a L-O-T safer than battling with the scumbags (who might actually shoot them) about gun rights / laws. The scumbags don't obey the doggone gun laws, anyway. Uh, is it me or isn't this just common knowledge? Mr. Advocate, you're from Alabama, isn't that observation just as true in Alabama as it is in Indiana (or any of the other 6 States I've lived in)?
Politicians "scared"? You BET they are, and I'll give you a perfect example. I live next door to Gary, IN. Let me preface by saying MOST of the citizens of Gary are good and decent folks. With some regularity, I attend games in Gary for the local team, the Railcats. BTW, and EXCELLENT place to go see indy-teams baseball, and probably safer than Fort Knox!
Any-hoo, I was there one day with a few friends, and about 10 rows behind us sat the current Mayor of Gary, Rudy Clay (don't ask my opinion of that low-life, I'll get banned from the forum for the language I use, LOL). Well, sure, ol' Rudy is right out there with us "common folk", WITH a Gary LEO as a bodyguard about 10 feet away. You think ol' Rudy would dare walk the streets of Gary (the neighborhood around the stadium is a virtual cesspool) around that stadium WITHOUT a bodyguard(s)? HA! But Gary has ridiculous gun laws against the decent folks of Gary, to "supposedly" make Gary a safer community. Yeah? Well, if it's "now" a safer city, then why does the Mayor need a bodyguard at what is arguably the safest place in Gary? I go to that stadium and I feel LESS safe when I'm in a bank with armed security AND cops present!
The point, it's a LOT easier for the Gary Mayor to deny good and decent folks their right to protect themselves than it is for him to clean up the city from the street scum that lurks there like rats in a sewer. Do I KNOW this is a problem? You bet, because I have more than one friend who is a Gary LEO, and had to deal with some of the "overflow" when I worked the Gary side of my own community.
As for me, I was more concerned than catchin' bad guys than writing tickets. I refused to do "sobriety checkpoints" or "seatbelt checkpoints" (roadblocks) as well, because they're un-Constitutional. BTW, my old PD no longer does these roadblocks because... TaDa! they're un-Constitutional! Which is what *I* told 'em 20-some years ago, LOL.
I don't know about EVERY area of the country (obviously), but around here, generally speaking, the LEO's are more concerned with real criminals than about some law-abiding citizen OC'ing their personal defense weapon. It IS true that an LEO MAY (and I do mean MAY) ask to see your CCW / permit. But to be realistic, that's not an unfair request, and IMO it's not harassment (unless it's the same cop doing it EVERY time he sees you). To OC / CC in Indiana, you have to have a valid CCW, and it's fair for a LEO to ask to see that license. We drive cars, and he also looks at the plate to see if the license / registration is valid. Is it, perhaps, bothersome at times. I suppose. But I've never had a problem with doing so.
I dunno, maybe that's just me, because I've done the job. I checked a few people (laws were different then, not as many people carrying) to make sure they had a valid license. As long as that was kosher, I passed no further judgment as to their ethnicity, religion (for those wearing specific religious garb), age, "look", or anything else. Maybe I've just been around guns so much I'm fairly non-chalant about them?
Yeah, I started shooting when I was 6. At age 7 I joined the Young Marines (sponsored by the Marine Corps. Like the Boy Scouts, and IMO, just as cool, maybe cooler!). We did a lot of competitive / target shooting with pellet guns (had to qualify with pellet guns first) and .22 LR's. Was in that until they disbanded it (at least around here) some 7 years or so later.
Over the years, while not grossly consistently, I've typically shot probably 200 - 300 rounds / week, at times as much as 1000 rds. / week for several years. So, I think I've been fortunate to be able to enjoy shooting as a hobby as well as the self-defense aspects.
Yeah JB, I understand what your sayin, I don't mean to be hitting on a soft point with LEO's and I as I found you are a LEO in Indiana. I actually have some extended family that lives in your state, what city or county, well hell if I know, I mean there extended very extend family haven't seen them in years. But you sound to me to be a very professional as well as cool type of person all around. Yeah, to ask to see someones permit and dl is perfectly normal, like you said unless they ask you over and over again , then there just harassing. I heard LEO's are alot more harassing in VA. don't know, its been awhile since I've lived in that state. I don't have problem with checkpoints either, there in place I suppose for an overall reason to protect the insured from the uninsured. But that being said, the whole radar thing I'll never get, you setting up speed traps and stuff of that nature, its one thing to be a civilian and speeding and a LEO happens just to be going the opposite way and catch you or is pulling up off a on ramp behind you and catches you and then its another to just sit in a spot hidden off the road somewhere and catch people speeding trying to make work on time or trying to pick there kids up from school. I respect alot of what you stand for from what your saying, its the harassing LEO's that I cannot stand, it makes life just a little bit more complicated then it already is. Its bad when your a war vet with veteran stickers all over your vehicle and a confirmed disabled veteran tag on the back of your vehicle and your just muddin around some back roads and the game warden pulls outa the woods in the middle of nowhere and harasses you for mudding down the road and then tells you he doesn't want to see you back down these roads again or he'll make up a few things to send you to jail, that is just being a plain jerk, the guy actually banned me from these certain road here in al. just a few roads, but they are actually public country roads that our taxes pay for and he's banning me from them cause I was having alittle fun mudding down them cause they were dirt roads, thats just plain crazy. I have four vehicles that I pay huge taxes on, to be able to drive my vehicles down the public roads, I don't deserve that kinda mess. Its great to serve your country and in war and to be called a hero and yellow ribbons everywhere and people say support the troops in the same token, I'm kissing a** to keep from going to jail for mudding down a road right after I get back from Iraq, the nerve, I said to myself , the guy musta just got devorce or was just having a bad day. I don't know , who knows except him and God about what was going through is mind, but I've always herd Game Wardens are the worst, and said yeah, if your a hunter, I don't even hunt , and I found that out just driven,lol, anywayz thats old news. I just like being takin advantage of and not being able to do anything about, it kinda sucks and gets quite old after awhile.
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I carry at home and at my office where I work late at night.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14th, 2009 07:20 pm |
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nobucks wrote: I carry at home and at my office where I work late at night.
Hey thats pretty damn normal nobucks, do you OC or CC, not that is really matters, so long as your carrying, you OK.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14th, 2009 07:38 pm |
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I'm open carrying right at the moment. It depends on what I'm wearing. If I'm wearing jeans I open carry because my IWB holster doesn't fit my jeans very comfortably. If I'm wearing khakis I carry concealed IWB.
My office is at the church across my backyard on the same property and I work in the office until 2 or 3am some evenings. A couple of times I've surprised people late at night hiding from the cops behind the retaining wall of the church parking lot, and they've taken off running. I wasn't carrying either time. I've also been sitting in my garage smoking a cigar late at night with the lights off and watched three college age kids coming up the street trying car doors. One of them walked up to my open garage door when I said, "Can I help you?" He jumped out of his shoes, regained his composure, then told my friend and I that they were lost and looking for a certain address, then they went on. Should've called the cops on that one. Since then the cops get a call from me whenever something suspicious is going on.
I'm sure the time is coming when I'm at the office some night and I look up and someone is standing in the doorway. If a person is aware of their environment and situation, it seems more likely that if something's going to happen that requires me to have a gun, it's more likely to happen at home than at Wal-Mart. That said, I'll be taking a CCW class this month or next.
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nobucks wrote: snipets..........
I'm open carrying right at the moment.
My office is at the church across my backyard on the same property and I work in the office until 2 or 3am some evenings.
That said, I'll be taking a CCW class this month or next.
Might one presume your occupation?
It would be a very positive thing if you were in a position to encourage parishioners to be take personal responsibility for their safety.
Yata hey
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Yes, you can assume as to my profession and you would be correct. I'm a Lutheran pastor in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Right now I'm supposed to be writing my sermon, but instead I'm preaching self-defense. 
Back when I was without a firearm for a while I would carry a tactical folder in my ofice. I figured I'd grab the phone and at least the cops could follow the blood trail down the street if I did not successfully defend myself before they arrived. Now the phone still sits there on the corner of my desk and the knife is still clipped to my pocket, but I have the .45 on my hip now too.
I'll be taking the CCW class along with one of my church members so that will be at least one who will be carrying during the service. Our congregation is full of hunters and pro-gun folks, ex-military people, and some LEO types. Most of the people are very independent, self-reliant types, so not much encouragement is needed here.
Someone mentioned earlier on the "Do you carry in church" thread about what the Bible says about self-defense. One of the reasons that the government is to do is to bear the sword against the evil doer (Romans 13:3-4). One of the ways the government does that is to make it legal for us to defend ourselves, so, when you legally defend yourself, you are acting as the sword of the government.
There's more if anyone is interested, but I have to get back to work.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 03:18 am |
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nobucks wrote: snip....
Yes, you can assume as to my profession and you would be correct. I'm a Lutheran pastor in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Right now I'm supposed to be writing my sermon, but instead I'm preaching self-defense.
Indeed interested as some of us may feel the need to "sell" the idea to local houses of worship from a perspective to which the clergy may directly relate.
Always figured that life was sacred and that it was my duty to defend it.
Upper Peninsula - isn't that where each mail box pole has two boxes, the second about 6 ft above the lower one. 
BTW - doesn't preaching self-defense make a good sermon?
Thanks for you support pastor.
Yata hey
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Yeah, we're under quite a bit of snow right now. Mailboxes by the road usually have a big orange flag on top. If not, they get plowed over a couple of times and then the owner puts a flag on the new one. 
Rather than hijacking this thread, I'll post about church security later under the "Church" thread.
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I open carry around the house and while doing yard work all the time.
In fact, have it on my hip right now while I type this.
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