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SpizyChicken
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 09:58 pm |
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Can you legally OPEN CARRY on your own property with in the city limits with OUT a CCL in cities around Oregon that have BANS on OPEN CARRY in public places with out a CCL?
I open carry around my house. front yard while doing yard work, but haven't gotten my CCL yet. The city I live in have a BAN on OPEN CARRY if you don't have a CCL but in public places. Does this include my own front yard and property? I would think NOT. But just want to be clear.
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Mr.Advocate
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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SpizyChicken wrote: I open carry around the house and while doing yard work all the time.
In fact, have it on my hip right now while I type this.
SIG SAUER P228 15 ROUND MAG.
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dreamcro
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 10:56 pm |
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I will admit that, yes I carry around the house.
My wife has finally accepted that fact. Our home is safer for it.
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SpizyChicken
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 11:20 pm |
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My wife was one of those who were AGAINST GUNS but couldn't tell you why.
When we first got married I told my wife I wanted to get a gun. She told me she didn't want a gun in the house and if I got one she didn't want to know or see it.
Years of the liberal media brainwashed her.
After I educated her on guns and she realized a gun won't just jump off the table run around the room by itself and kill someone, she is completely fine with it and feels safer. She even supports me getting my CCL now.
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crotalus01
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 12:13 am |
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I live in a crime ridden city with @#$%tons of home invasions each month, I am single and have no kids. I dont necessarilly have a gun on my hip at all times but there is one in easy reach in every room of my home until I retire for the evening - then they all go into the safe except my Ruger .45 which is on my nightstand and my AR which is next to my bed. The Ruger has a round in the chamber with a full magazine (double action no safety), the AR has a full magazine locked and the bolt locked back with the safety off (tactical light as well).
I will not leave the house or answer the door without a weapon on my hip.
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tcox4freedom
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 02:52 am |
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I don't necessarily carry in the house. (BUT! It's close and accessible!)
I live in the country and off the road. It would be next to imposible for anyone to get with in 300yrds of my property without some kind of warning.
I have two guard dogs outside and one BIG protection trained "pitbull" inside! So, I think I should have enough time to grab my gun even though it;s not on my person.
BTW; I do carry outside!
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Unlike some other posters my wife carries a Taurus 24/7 C 45 and can shoot better than most men.
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Mr.Advocate
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 07:49 am |
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tcox4freedom wrote: I don't necessarily carry in the house. (BUT! It's close and accessible!)
I live in the country and off the road. It would be next to imposible for anyone to get with in 300yrds of my property without some kind of warning.
I have two guard dogs outside and one BIG protection trained "pitbull" inside! So, I think I should have enough time to grab my gun even though it;s not on my person.
BTW; I do carry outside!
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Unlike some other posters my wife carries a Taurus 24/7 C 45 and can shoot better than most men.
good post mr. coxfreedom, It's great you defend your wife's shoot against most men, damn that's pretty heavy words your using, does she shoot for the olympics or on a regular basis, cause most men I know how have guns, only have a problem out shooting each other including myself. No offense towards your wife, at least she is into guns, most are not, and the fact that she can shoot makes her even cooler, your a lucky man.
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tcox4freedom
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 03:54 pm |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: tcox4freedom wrote: I don't necessarily carry in the house. (BUT! It's close and accessible!)
I live in the country and off the road. It would be next to imposible for anyone to get with in 300yrds of my property without some kind of warning.
I have two guard dogs outside and one BIG protection trained "pitbull" inside! So, I think I should have enough time to grab my gun even though it;s not on my person.
BTW; I do carry outside!
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Unlike some other posters my wife carries a Taurus 24/7 C 45 and can shoot better than most men.
good post mr. coxfreedom, It's great you defend your wife's shoot against most men, damn that's pretty heavy words your using, does she shoot for the olympics or on a regular basis, cause most men I know how have guns, only have a problem out shooting each other including myself. No offense towards your wife, at least she is into guns, most are not, and the fact that she can shoot makes her even cooler, your a lucky man.
We both shoot at least once a week!
She and I just competed in our 1st match. (A local fun match sponsered by our gun club.) My wife was the only women competing against about 12 members of our club. She and I ended up shooting against each other in the final round.
It was kind of funny, the RSO/Judge ask if we really wanted to go against each other. BTW; she beat me!
After it was over a number of competitors commented on what a good shot she was. I told them: "yeah, you don't want to piss her off!"
Our club is sponsoring an NRA event in April directed specifically toward women. (No Men Allowed!) We expect around 100 participants. FUN TIMES!!
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BRDouglas
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 08:54 pm |
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I carry at home and when I leave home I stick my pistol in the glove box. I live in a rural area where it would take the police at least 10 minutes to get where I'm at if something was to happen and that's if I had time to call them. Between the roaming dogs, meth addicts, and burglars that have infested my area I think a person is crazy not to be carrying because you can almost bet the bad guy will be carrying. I carry a 9X18 Russian Makarov. Oh, the reason I stick my pistol in the glove box instead of carrying it on my side is because I don't like to wear a belt everyday. BRD
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JB-Indiana
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 10:09 pm |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: (Comments out of order in order to respond appropriately - J.B.) First off, from myself, my friends and my family, THANK YOU for serving in our military. You should know that your service is deeply and sincerely appreciated, is not overlooked, nor forgotten. ...Yeah JB, I understand what your sayin, I don't mean to be hitting on a soft point with LEO's and I as I found you are a LEO in Indiana... Just to provide clarity and disclosure, I am NOT a LEO any longer. I was a LEO for my hometown, as well as working (before joining the PD) for the Indiana DOC, and working for a period of time for the U.S. Marshal's Office as a bodyguard for a Federal Magistrate. Just so no one here believes I'm something I am not (or no longer). ...I don't have problem with checkpoints either, there in place I suppose for an overall reason to protect the insured from the uninsured... Again, just for clarity, *I* DO have a problem with checkpoints, and for a very basic reason. Quite simply, it's un-Constitutional. Americans have a right to freedom of movement. If I'm working say, a sobriety checkpoint, then I'm stopping perhaps thousands (depending on where and how long the checkpoint operates) of citizens that have done nothing wrong in order to HOPEFULLY catch that one individual that's had too much to drink. If that (to anyone) doesn't sound so bad, let me say it this way: At a checkpoint I've impeded, interfered, effectively detained (a LEO stopping ANYONE is a detention, and at least in Indiana is defined AS a type of arrest) and have now essentially violated the Constitutional rights (to freedom of movement and freedom from harassment by authorities without just cause and / or due process) of hundreds or thousands of INNOCENT American citizens that have commited NO unlawful act in order that I may make MY job easier to catch the ONE (or two) "bad" people that did commit a "bad" thing - driving over the legally allowed limit (.08) while under the influence of alcohol. IMHO (o.k., it's not so humble), I as a LEO do NOT have the right, nor the authority, to violate the Constitutional rights of a multitude of decent, law-abiding American citizens in order to pick through the crowd and find the one "bad guy". If I believe I have the right to do that, what "dark road" does that lead me down? Can I kick down Mr. Advocate's door, and the doors of ALL the neighbors in his County in the HOPE that I'll find the ONE crack / meth dealer? Wasn't that type of activity, British troops kicking down the doors of law-abiding American citizens, the REASON we have a Constitutional Amendment against "unlawful search and seizure"? It's EXACTLY why that right was established. LEO's do NOT have the right to stop you going about your lawful day-to-day activities WITHOUT "articulable facts" (for minor stuff), reasonable suspicion, or probably cause. I may need a judge to scrutinize my suspicion and give me authorization (a warrant) BEFORE I can detain you, depending on the scenario. I am NOT violating the Constitutional rights of the VERY SAME people I swore an oath to "protect and serve" (says so right on the side of the squad cars) in order to make my job easier and M-A-Y-B-E catch a bad guy doing a (relatively) minor think like DUI, or worse, not wearing a friggin' seat belt! "Captain, you want me to arrest thousands of people (detain them) during the morning rush hour when these people are hurrying to work so we can catch someone not wearing their F*****G SEAT BELT? Are you NUTS?" That's how the conversation went. I was never assigned again. And yeah, I'm hardcore against it, in case you couldn't tell. ...Its bad when your a war vet with veteran stickers all over your vehicle and a confirmed disabled veteran tag on the back of your vehicle and your just muddin around some back roads and the game warden pulls outa the woods in the middle of nowhere and harasses you for mudding down the road and then tells you he doesn't want to see you back down these roads again or he'll make up a few things to send you to jail, that is just being a plain jerk, the guy actually banned me from these certain road here in al. just a few roads, but they are actually public country roads that our taxes pay for and he's banning me from them cause I was having alittle fun mudding down them cause they were dirt roads, thats just plain crazy... Short version: that particular game warden is a moron, doesn't understand his job and (presuming it IS a public road as indicated), probably doesn't even have enough of a clue to know he's violating your Constitutional right to freedom of movement. He's let his badge "go to his head" and believes his badge gives him the authority to, essentially, do whatever he wants to whomever he wants. He's wrong. And yeah, I've seen it before, TOO many times, my friend. The appropriate way, IMO, to handle the matter is to go to his headquarters and talk with the individual that heads the game warden's for his assigned area. Notice I did NOT say talk to his immediate supervisor or superior. Talk openly and freely with the head honcho, as far up the ladder as you can find. Just MY opinion, but that's what *I* would do if that was happening to me. Then again, although I do VERY little of it, and very rarely, when I'm wronged I will "put on the boxing gloves" and challenge those who are perpetrating that injustice. You may remember a quote from a movie: "When the police break the law, there is no law. Just the fight for survival". The LAST people who should be acting lawlessly are the lawmen. Last edited on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 10:11 pm by JB-Indiana
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Mr.Advocate
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 10:45 pm |
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Wow, that was alot said there Mr. JB-Indiana, BTW, now that you've explained alot of stuff in context in your last post, I fully agree with was your saying, and the roads I was on were definitely public roads. And thank you very much for you support and thanks on the support for our troops and the thanks to myself. I really don't expect it, but I'm a very proud veteran and a true patriot and I will always be that way. I jump around on here from room to room opencarry.org, one issue I'm debating with others is the issue under the politics and new area, you'll find a room in that area called mental health or something in those regards. Once again, my username on here says it all, I am a true advocate of American citizens rights. I have with me most of the time my firearm, a video camera, and a digital voice recorder for basically my protection. I've heard to many nightmare stories of good law biding citizens getting harassed or taking things you say out of context and putting words that you didn't say and putting them in place of what you really say. So I come prepared with the cam and recorder, the firearm is nothing but a tool to protect me from someone threatening my life or my families life, hope I never have to use it, but if the time comes I'll have no problems with the sight picture, if you know what I mean . I trying right now to figure out or have someone tell me how to get the activist title under my username on here. I hope people understand what I say on here and why I'm on here to start with, hopefully we are all on this website for the same reason, it's about our second amendment rights and everything that co insides with that. Mr.Advocate
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JB-Indiana
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Posted: Mon Feb 16th, 2009 11:37 pm |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: Wow, that was alot said there Mr. JB-Indiana, BTW, now that you've explained alot of stuff in context in your last post, I fully agree with was your saying, and the roads I was on were definitely public roads. And thank you very much for you support and thanks on the support for our troops and the thanks to myself. I really don't expect it, but I'm a very proud veteran and a true patriot and I will always be that way. I jump around on here from room to room opencarry.org, one issue I'm debating with others is the issue under the politics and new area, you'll find a room in that area called mental health or something in those regards. Once again, my username on here says it all, I am a true advocate of American citizens rights. I have with me most of the time my firearm, a video camera, and a digital voice recorder for basically my protection. I've heard to many nightmare stories of good law biding citizens getting harassed or taking things you say out of context and putting words that you didn't say and putting them in place of what you really say. So I come prepared with the cam and recorder, the firearm is nothing but a tool to protect me from someone threatening my life or my families life, hope I never have to use it, but if the time comes I'll have no problems with the sight picture, if you know what I mean. I trying right now to figure out or have someone tell me how to get the activist title under my username on here. I hope people understand what I say on here and why I'm on here to start with, hopefully we are all on this website for the same reason, it's about our second amendment rights and everything that co insides with that. Mr.Advocate
My American flag went up full time (other than flag holidays, etc.) on 9/11 and now flies 24 / 7 (and yes, it's lit at night) in front of my house until the war on terrorism is over and the troops are home, at which time the flag will return to "normal' display on Flag Day, July 4th, etc. That should likely tell you something about my feelings about supporting our troops, etc. I have friends in Iraq and Afghanistan as I write this.
Funny, my conservative friends think I'm way too liberal, my liberal friends think I'm way too conservative, and my Constitutionalist friends think I don't believe in, and haven't read, the Constitution. I'm probably one of the few people I personally know that has read every word of the Constitution, and the Patriot Act, another piece of legislation people often haven't thoroughly read, but cite snippets to further their agendas.
And please, just call me J.B. (or JB).
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Spacejockey1979
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| What's the point of carrying around town if you don't carry at home? I carry everywhere I go, except where it is illegal to not carry. That includes carrying it at home, in the bathroom, kitchen, while doing yardwork or organizing, anywhere around the house.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 10:18 am |
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JB-Indiana wrote: Mr.Advocate wrote: Wow, that was alot said there Mr. JB-Indiana, BTW, now that you've explained alot of stuff in context in your last post, I fully agree with was your saying, and the roads I was on were definitely public roads. And thank you very much for you support and thanks on the support for our troops and the thanks to myself. I really don't expect it, but I'm a very proud veteran and a true patriot and I will always be that way. I jump around on here from room to room opencarry.org, one issue I'm debating with others is the issue under the politics and new area, you'll find a room in that area called mental health or something in those regards. Once again, my username on here says it all, I am a true advocate of American citizens rights. I have with me most of the time my firearm, a video camera, and a digital voice recorder for basically my protection. I've heard to many nightmare stories of good law biding citizens getting harassed or taking things you say out of context and putting words that you didn't say and putting them in place of what you really say. So I come prepared with the cam and recorder, the firearm is nothing but a tool to protect me from someone threatening my life or my families life, hope I never have to use it, but if the time comes I'll have no problems with the sight picture, if you know what I mean. I trying right now to figure out or have someone tell me how to get the activist title under my username on here. I hope people understand what I say on here and why I'm on here to start with, hopefully we are all on this website for the same reason, it's about our second amendment rights and everything that co insides with that. Mr.Advocate
My American flag went up full time (other than flag holidays, etc.) on 9/11 and now flies 24 / 7 (and yes, it's lit at night) in front of my house until the war on terrorism is over and the troops are home, at which time the flag will return to "normal' display on Flag Day, July 4th, etc. That should likely tell you something about my feelings about supporting our troops, etc. I have friends in Iraq and Afghanistan as I write this.
Funny, my conservative friends think I'm way too liberal, my liberal friends think I'm way too conservative, and my Constitutionalist friends think I don't believe in, and haven't read, the Constitution. I'm probably one of the few people I personally know that has read every word of the Constitution, and the Patriot Act, another piece of legislation people often haven't thoroughly read, but cite snippets to further their agendas.
And please, just call me J.B. (or JB).
Thanks JB for all your support no matter what side of the political stance you stand, your a true supporter of the troops and that includes myself and my fellow brothers in arms and you will always be appricated by myself and friends on this site.
I'm always here, just in round about ways, I'm a 100% constitutionalist, always have been and always will be as long as I have my mind,lol.
Anyways appreciate the feedback take care, and once again JB, thanks for your love for the troops out there supporting our country, and since I'm no longer active duty, THANKS TO ALL ACTIVE DUTY TROOPS ON THIS SITE, FOR PROTECTING OUR COUNTRY, YOUR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB, WISH I COULD STILL BE DOING IT.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 05:12 pm |
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Since my kids are all grown and it is me and the wife we both carry at all times a loaded gun is within reach. Home invasions stop at my door.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 06:43 pm |
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reconvic wrote: Since my kids are all grown and it is me and the wife we both carry at all times a loaded gun is within reach. Home invasions stop at my door.
S/F Vic
Hooah Vic, and thank you for your service as well. Just a quick question though, what did you do for home protection while your kids were still young to protect your family against home invasion. Just thought I'd throw that out there, I mean obviously your ok and your family is, so thats good, but what did you do to protect them, at that point or did you just hope everything was going to be ok.
The reason why I ask this is because there are alot of pro gun people here, and they won't carry a loaded gun in there house or even have one nearby just because of there kids, firearm safety and education are the key to that.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 07:49 pm |
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I have a Fort Knox safe but showed my kids safety with guns early on and still had a pistol on me at all times. If you show them guns are not toys and what they are capable of, they sort of fear going near it I used plastic water bottles in the desert to show them they are not to ever be touch. I have now 3 grand children and done the same and me and my wife always pack the Grandkids don't give it a second thought now. All my other weapons are locked in a safe.
2 of my 3 kids are also gun owners and done the same as I did with them .
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Mr.Advocate wrote:
(Snip) -- The reason why I ask this is because there are alot of pro gun people here, and they won't carry a loaded gun in there house or even have one nearby just because of there kids, firearm safety and education are the key to that.
I taught my kids firearms safety at an early age and they both know how to shoot (at age 8 and 14). I keep my gun on my hip when I'm home or when I go out.
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| I carry my firearm wherever I go Home Work Play anywhere. If their is a Place I can't carry I simply don't go their.
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Putting on my holsters and firearms* are just part of getting dressed in the morning. That includes when my 7, 5, 3 and almost 2 year old grandchildren visit. They are all being taught proper gun safety. The 7 and 5 year olds have been to the range with me and have fired a .22 rifle.
The only two places outside my home and the shooting range where my gun leaves the holster are when I go to the post office and to work. My boss is a hopolophobe even though virtually everyone else in the company is pro-gun.
I make sure that the toy box is loaded with an assortment of toy guns and they are constantly reminded of the safety rules about never pointing a gun at something you don't intend to destroy (my TV set excepted since it and the bathroom mirror are the only things in the house that the suction cup "bullets" will stick to). Some of my earliest gifts to them were toy guns.
I grew up the youngest of six kids and my fathers gun cabinet never even had a door until I was a teenager and never had a lock right up to his dying day.
In all my years, around many guns for most of them, I have only been in the presence of one negligent discharge. That was when one of my brothers bought an old rifle that he was told was a 7mm. It turned out that it really was an 8mm Mauser. When he cambered a 7mm round, it discharged. I have never seen a more terrified look on anyone's face. Fortunately, he was following the safety training we had received and it was pointing in a safe direction.
You cannot "child proof" a gun, but you can gun proof a child.
*I usually carry both open and concealed.
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