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Tiny85
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 07:02 am |
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Background: I went to college and received my Associates Degree in Criminal Justice. During my time there one class briefly went over weapons and tactics. One thing that really stood out to me was the instructor informed the class "never shake anyones hand, if they offer politely decline." The reasoning for this, at least for those of us who are right handed was that if you shake someones hand you essentially surrender your weapon. With someone shaking your right hand they can reach in with their left hand and take your gun.
My question is how does anyone who is right handed and OC regularlly feel about hand shakes? To clairify I'm not reffering to close friends you know or family but maybe someone you are talking to about OCing or perhaps someone you've just been introduced to.
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FogRider
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 08:25 am |
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I don't worry about it to much. If I have a reasonable suspicion that someone might try for my gun, I'm not likely going to be shaking their hand in the first place. If they do go for it, well, that's what proper retention comes in. Not to mention I'm not completely defenseless in that situation (someone hanging on to my right hand).
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One other thing that bears looking at is whether or not something like that has ever happened, or happens enough to worry about. Granted, it could happen and therefore it doesn't hurt to consider it, but the likelihood of it happening is what should tell you how much to actually worry about it.
Last edited on Mon May 11th, 2009 10:12 am by FogRider
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TileLayer23
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 08:38 am |
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| Amen brother!
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zigziggityzoo
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 01:28 pm |
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| I guess I don't have to worry about it that much, I'm left-handed.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 02:06 pm |
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This is just another take on the worn out, erroneous, "OC will just get your gun snatched" warning. It just ain't so, Johny.
I've shaken many a hand after a pleasant exchange and never shaken an antagonist's hand - this is not Queensbury Rules.
You would sooner try to grab a rattlesnake's tongue. 
Yata hey
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 06:11 pm |
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Did they also give you the speach about filing the front site off so it doesn't
hurt as much when it gets shoved up your a$$?
But if you already have thier hand, you already have a judo throw availible,
especialy if they are grabbing for the gun.
Now if his buddy is sneaking up my backside to assist in the grab, I'm going
to decline being so friendly.
I do hope he already had half his sex change operation, or he'll get it for free.
Now would you refuse the SS a handshake? Or are you being tought that civilians
are dangerous only? I guess we better inform Janet that handshaking is a terrorist
act and to add anyone shaking hands to her watch list.
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Tiny85
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 12:03 am |
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Grapeshot wrote: This is just another take on the worn out, erroneous, "OC will just get your gun snatched" warning. It just ain't so, Johny.
I've shaken many a hand after a pleasant exchange and never shaken an antagonist's hand - this is not Queensbury Rules.
You would sooner try to grab a rattlesnake's tongue.
Yata hey
I don't mean to imply that it would happen. I posed the question more as a tactical ideology then a warning against open carry. The idea that it has never happened is not a reason to not take into consideration that it could happen. It was just something the instructor had said that stuck out.
I haven't OC a lot yet and maybe me thinking of this is just part of my nerves still. I would never have even thought about it had it not been introduced to me by a reputable source (my instructor). Though the instructor was a member of the Portland PD and they aren't very gun friendly.
I won't worry about it just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts about the idea. Situational awareness will tump this anyway.
Last edited on Tue May 12th, 2009 12:05 am by Tiny85
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Sonora Rebel
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 12:47 am |
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| I carry cross draw. When (and if) I shake hands while armed... the heel of my left hand covers the butt of the pistol automatically. 'Had to sit 'n think about that... but that's what I do subconciously... now that I've thought about it.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 12:56 am |
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Sonora Rebel wrote: I carry cross draw. When (and if) I shake hands while armed... the heel of my left hand covers the butt of the pistol automatically. 'Had to sit 'n think about that... but that's what I do subconciously... now that I've thought about it.
Think I'll dust off my cross draw and SA .45 LC for our OC dinner tomorrow. Thanks for the reminder - works great in a vehicle too - and it's such a purdy thing too.
Yata hey
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 03:12 am |
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I'm not particularly big on hand shaking, but not because I'm worried about a gun grab. I just don't know where that thing has been! A fella once proudly told me how he did his part for the environment by only using one square of toilet paper and finished up with his hand. Even taught his daughter to do the same.
Hand shaking has creeped me out ever since.
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Tiny85
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 02:13 pm |
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Daddyo wrote: I'm not particularly big on hand shaking, but not because I'm worried about a gun grab. I just don't know where that thing has been! A fella once proudly told me how he did his part for the environment by only using one square of toilet paper and finished up with his hand. Even taught his daughter to do the same.
Hand shaking has creeped me out ever since.
Wow... Um... Thanks for sharing that I'm never shaking anyones hand ever again.
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Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 07:16 pm |
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Tiny, you just got me to thinking about giving up hand shaking as well. I can't say I have ever encountered the situation you describe or have ever heard of anything similar for that matter. I did have an experience while in high school that comes close however and the results may shine some light on your question.
While still young enough to believe that matters of conflict should be settled with physical confrontation I managed to get into a fist fight while encumbered with a short arm cast on my left hand and forearm. (broken finger playing football) My opponent apparently decided that a good tactic would be to grab that hand and try to cause me pain thereby winning the fight. He doggedly hung on to the injured arm in it's protective cast while I clubbed him senseless with my other hand. I really can't say this experience has any correlation to the subject of OC but if confronted by a single individual willing to devote himself to trying to hold on to my strong hand I think I'll take the odds.
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nh92d
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 01:37 pm |
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zigziggityzoo wrote: I guess I don't have to worry about it that much, I'm left-handed.
so then you must carry on your left side right? then that means the person could reach in with their right hand..
or do you do what i do..shake with "weak" hand and keep "strong" open.then again,most times i don't even shake hands.
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Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 06:26 pm |
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Agreed. I don't shake hands either. I suppose if I were to shake hands, I'd do it with my left.
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 04:16 am |
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I'm not overly concerned about it. Shaking hands in my neck of the woods is just polite and to not do so would be unhelpful to me as a local business owner. I'm not saying that I would just shake hands with anyone under any circumstances, but that is where good sense comes into play.
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 04:22 am |
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deepdiver wrote: I'm not saying that I would just shake hands with anyone under any circumstances, but that is where good sense comes into play.
Words of wisdom there. Makes sense, in the past I was one who shook everyone's hand which I was introduced. Thinking now if I did open carry and the person had ill intent, they could simply throw you to the ground while catching you off guard just from a handshake. 
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Posted: Thu May 14th, 2009 08:41 am |
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insane.kangaroo wrote: deepdiver wrote: I'm not saying that I would just shake hands with anyone under any circumstances, but that is where good sense comes into play.
Words of wisdom there. Makes sense, in the past I was one who shook everyone's hand which I was introduced. Thinking now if I did open carry and the person had ill intent, they could simply throw you to the ground while catching you off guard just from a handshake.
It would be very difficult to throw someone to the ground by just shaking hands. With any type of defensive tactics knowledge, even a small, weak individual can easily break the grip of a larger, stronger person and pull away. I have seen it done on numerous occassions.
I think that part of what makes social greetings important is because it offers open carriers the opportunity to show how friendly we are and that we are not extremists. We are able to educate the willing.
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grumpycoconut
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 05:22 pm |
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What ever happened to "Be polite, be professional, have a plan for killing everyone you meet." Not shaking hands just out of "tactical" habit strikes me as paranoia. There are times I refuse to shake hands and those times are fully intended to make a strong statement. That statement is, "you are not worthy of even the most basic common courtesy or respect." Here most of us are, claiming that an armed society is a polite society yet some of us advocate intentional rudeness as a regular practice. The handshake started life as a sign of respect and initial trust between armed and violent men. If you are unwilling to offer that trust and respect why are you even letting people get that close in the first place? Remember Teuller? Ever shake your head at the rudeness of cops who subtly and sometimes very unsubtly keep you an arms length and a half away from them and make sure that you never get on their gun side?
If someone goes for the disarm after "trapping" your hand in a shake how about this for a response. Clamp down on your piece with your left hand. Maybe you even trap their right hand. Drop your shoulder, step inside them and get to pushing. Go for the headbutt nose smash. Run the edge of your shoe down their shin and stomp their foot. Grab 'em by the short and curlies and help them sing in a higher range. Get your mouth down to their trapping hand and bite the hell out of it. Pull the Spyderco (I know, you non cops are more likely to have a Benchmade) you have clipped to your pocket and stab 'em in the crotch or any other bit that is handy. Damn, there's only about a zillion possible responses to this insane bit of aggression.
If you go about this current world strapped it is your obligation to be more polite than the average bear and it's your absolute, inviolate duty to have more bits of nastiness in reserve than just your hog's leg.
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 06:16 pm |
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Rule 16 i think 
"Be polite. Be professional. But... have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
There are other ways to be polite than handshakes. In other countries there are other methods, which some may know on the board.
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Riana
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Posted: Fri May 15th, 2009 06:24 pm |
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nh92d wrote: zigziggityzoo wrote: I guess I don't have to worry about it that much, I'm left-handed.
so then you must carry on your left side right? then that means the person could reach in with their right hand..
or do you do what i do..shake with "weak" hand and keep "strong" open.then again,most times i don't even shake hands.
I was always taught that one shakes hands with the right hand, regardless of your dominant hand. I'm a leftie, and I shake hands with the right hand - just how I was taught. So when I shake someone's hand, my strong hand is free. No one is "reaching in" to grab my gun just because they've got a-hold of my right hand.
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