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Baradium
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 08:50 am |
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spyderdude
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 09:48 am |
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Ok, I'm not LEO or anything like that, but put yourself in an officer's shoes. Would you feel more comfortable around a citizen who took the time to go through the training to get a permit, or would you feel comfortable around a guy/woman who simply decided to pack heat, without even knowing how to use the gun? I know I'd feel alot better around someone with a valid CCW permit, than I would around someone who decided one day that they were going to carry a gun. I may be young, perhaps even act "immature" sometimes, but I'm not stupid. I may still get harassed even with my permit, if a cop decides to pull me over, or stop me for whatever reason, I don't know what cops think, but I would think that having a valid CCW permit would put an officer at ease with me. I understand the duty to inform, and I will do so everytime I have an encounter with an officer.
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Lew
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 08:20 pm |
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I would feel more comfortable around someone who knew the law.
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Baradium
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 08:52 pm |
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spyderdude wrote: Ok, I'm not LEO or anything like that, but put yourself in an officer's shoes. Would you feel more comfortable around a citizen who took the time to go through the training to get a permit, or would you feel comfortable around a guy/woman who simply decided to pack heat, without even knowing how to use the gun? I know I'd feel alot better around someone with a valid CCW permit, than I would around someone who decided one day that they were going to carry a gun. I may be young, perhaps even act "immature" sometimes, but I'm not stupid. I may still get harassed even with my permit, if a cop decides to pull me over, or stop me for whatever reason, I don't know what cops think, but I would think that having a valid CCW permit would put an officer at ease with me. I understand the duty to inform, and I will do so everytime I have an encounter with an officer.
I know enough cops to know that they are a lot more comfortable with someone who knows what the laws are than someone who thinks that the permit will mean something.
You trying to show how you have a valid CCW permit will just make the officer *uneasy* because the officer will know it's not required and that you *should* know it's not required. You're much more likely to make the officer nervous as then they'll think that you are going overboard to show how "good" you are and thus may be trying to hide something.
And this is completely ignoring how you're advocating that we should give up the right to carry without a permit, and this is one that only recently was given back!
We aren't in New York, we aren't in California. If you want to live under those types of restrictions, move there. But don't try to bring them here.
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spyderdude
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 06:54 am |
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Ok, I get what you're saying, you may know more cops than I do, but I didn't get the permit for the wrong reasons. I got it because Alaska still offers the permit program, even though its not required. I don't regret going through the training one bit, and I don't feel like a badass with or without the permit. I didn't simply make a decision one day to get my permit and pack heat, I nearly became a stabbing victim about a year ago.. Only then did I look into Alaska's laws, and I've read every single law carefully. So yes I know the laws regarding the carrying of guns, but I got the permit anyway. I know about the duty to inform, I know guns are still prohibited in court rooms, bars, any federal building, K-12 schools, and pretty much any business that chooses to put signs up that prohibit the carrying of guns. That was the whole point of why I took the CCW CLASS, was to gain more insight on Alaska's laws.
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murphyslaw
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 07:45 am |
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it was just the fact that you said you think police would treat you different for NOT having the permit.
I have done quite a bit of LEO work (both in AK and Wa) and can say as far as the folks I know and I that is not the case.
I have been carrying for quite some time and during that time I have not told any officer That I was carrying while in Alaska.
mostly due to the fact that I opencarry 92% of the time and only CC when at certain venues.
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spyderdude
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 08:54 am |
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I'm just saying having the know how of using a gun in self defense, and knowing the laws is helpful. I'm not against having the no permit required law, as I've carried for over a year w/o one, after nearly getting stabbed to death. However, I was still unclear on some of the laws in Alaska, especially municipal laws, so I decided it was in MY best interest to take the CCW class, and I'm glad I did. Some other people may be clear on the laws, but I wasn't. I fully understand having the permit doesn't make me have LEO status, or make me a "mall ninja", and now that I am clearly aware of the laws in Alaska, I feel more comfortable being able to Open Carry.
Murphy, I saw a guy at Value Village on Northern Lights OCing a S&W 357 Magnum revolver, back in I think it was either January or February, I can't remember. That wouldn't happen to have been you would it? I know not very many people OC in Anchorage, so I was just wondering if it happened to be you that I saw.
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murphyslaw
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 09:17 am |
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ok it was just a little shocking to see someone say they feel better having the cpl for fear of police harasment.
There is no such things as to much training or to many classes or knowing the law to much.
I have not shoped at the value village since I have lived in Ak. and I carry either a 1911-a1 high polish or a SA XD45ACP service(this mostly).
if you see me you will know I will be the guy that is dressed like I just came from a business meeting carrying one of the above.
I always enjoy seeing and meeting other folk that enjoy expressing there constitutional right to carry, I love it when people aproach me and start asking me questions about carrying or just gun ownership in its self. I even enjoy the hecklers anything that gives me the chance to even attempt educating a citizen.
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spyderdude
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 09:45 am |
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Business suit, and an XD45, I love the sound of that LOL! I had an XD45 Service model, but I was forced to sell it due to financial issues. I do plan to pick up another one in the near future, because I really like that gun. It does get expensive to shoot, so I switched to a 9mm (Glock 19), because 9mm is obviously cheaper to shoot, but now I have some .45 ammo left in the safe, but no gun to shoot the ammo out of.
I am still unclear as to whether I could carry into a shopping mall like Dimond, Northway, and the Sears mall. I know the 5th Avenue is posted, but I haven't seen any signs in or around the other malls in Anchorage.
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murphyslaw
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 10:23 am |
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well all they can do is ask you to leave, if you do no harm no foul. if you dont then its criminal tresspass. like I said in a post a way back, I dont hardley EVER go to the mall so I dont know how they treat it.
I have carried in sears on many of occasion with no problems just a funny look from the clerk.
Last edited on Thu May 31st, 2007 10:26 am by murphyslaw
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spyderdude
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Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 10:45 am |
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. This truly is a great state!
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spyderdude
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Posted: Tue Jun 12th, 2007 03:31 pm |
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I just wanted to share the fact that I managed to find an anti-carry business in Anchorage. It is the Car Care Center on Muldoon Road, next to a church, on the left hand side as you're heading to the Glenn Highway/Elmendorf AFB. I had to help my Mother take her car down there, and it was rather hot that day, so I decided to openly carry. I walked in there, with my tshirt neatly tucked in, and my G19 in its holster. The guy behind the desk, looked at me, and then proceeded to help my Mother. When we got back home, not even five minutes later, the phone rings, and its the guy at CCC. My Mom answers the phone, and apparently the guy told her that it is ILLEGAL to carry a gun the way I did, and is considered "brandishing", and that he would call the cops if I walked in there again with my gun being carried that way. My interpretation of the word "brandishing" would require me to actually take my gun out of its holster and hold it in my hand. I ended up writing a friendly note to them, letting them know that I will no longer be doing business with them, and I'm more than willing to pass on the word that they don't allow ordinary citizens to exercise their right to carry if they so choose to do so.
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tarzan1888
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Posted: Tue Jun 12th, 2007 04:17 pm |
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the yetty wrote: I was thinking about going up to Alaska for some backpackinig with a buddy of mine.
I originally wasn't planning on taking any of my guns, but after talking to some people, i thought i might reconsider.
Originally i was thinking just a .22 pistol with red dot scope, its a good survival weapon, if we ever got lost or what not, ran out of food, easy to hunt small animals, not too bad for self defense but definitely not a first choice.
i also thought of a .22 rifle, but its too much to carry.
After talking to some more people, i thought, "well maybe i should bring my XD-40". at least its got a little more stopping power, but i doubt it would help against a bear.
I also have a 30-06 and a 18.5" 12 guage. I was considering one of those, but again, i don't know if i want to deal with carring a long gun.
Will a 30-06 or a 12 ga slug do anything against a bear.
is it worth the trouble to carry one?
should I even bother bring my XD-40, or is it just another hassle.
any thoughts?
Take the 12 gauge with slugs and 00 buck. I work out in the field a lot and on my last trip to Bluff Alaska got the scare of my life with a big Coastal Grizz.
I took a 12 Gauge and carried it everywhere.
Jeff Cooper had a few thoughts on your last chance against a bear, only to be used when the bear is on top of you;
"A "bear defense" course was recently run at Gunsite and turned up a couple of interesting points. One is that sheer power will not do for a bear. If you are in real danger from a bear, he will be on top of you, and what you need is penetration. Once a bear has got you down, or a lion for that matter, you have to brain him, and you must do that at contact distance. A 357 snubby, using a very hard, sharp-pointed bullet, would seem to be the answer. I have a friend who went this route while attempting to photograph a lion. He used a Super 38 auto, and while he survived, he will never again have full use of his left hand."
When I go out I take both the 12 gauge and the .357 snubby.
This is the link: http://www.molonlabe.net/Commentaries/jeff10_6.html
Here is a picture of me and another guy taking a GPS location on a survey marker, with Bluff in the Background.
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murphyslaw
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Posted: Tue Jun 12th, 2007 08:22 pm |
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spyderdude wrote: I just wanted to share the fact that I managed to find an anti-carry business in Anchorage. It is the Car Care Center on Muldoon Road, next to a church, on the left hand side as you're heading to the Glenn Highway/Elmendorf AFB. I had to help my Mother take her car down there, and it was rather hot that day, so I decided to openly carry. I walked in there, with my tshirt neatly tucked in, and my G19 in its holster. The guy behind the desk, looked at me, and then proceeded to help my Mother. When we got back home, not even five minutes later, the phone rings, and its the guy at CCC. My Mom answers the phone, and apparently the guy told her that it is ILLEGAL to carry a gun the way I did, and is considered "brandishing", and that he would call the cops if I walked in there again with my gun being carried that way. My interpretation of the word "brandishing" would require me to actually take my gun out of its holster and hold it in my hand. I ended up writing a friendly note to them, letting them know that I will no longer be doing business with them, and I'm more than willing to pass on the word that they don't allow ordinary citizens to exercise their right to carry if they so choose to do so.
Ah....... Gotta love the uneducated.
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murphyslaw
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 09:23 pm |
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ok its to quiet here, I'm back from fishing so let the talking continue
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spyderdude
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Posted: Fri Sep 7th, 2007 11:22 pm |
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Did you enjoy fishing?
I'm just sitting here in English class at UAA, work is ok, and just living life the best I can. Winter is almost upon us.... time to bundle up!
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Baradium
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Posted: Sat Sep 8th, 2007 06:22 am |
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| Same ol' same ol' up here... I was saving to buy a smaller sidearm and fell into a winnebago slide in camper.... it's done a good job of sucking money...
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murphyslaw
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Posted: Mon Sep 10th, 2007 07:15 am |
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Fishing was good. now I'm back home and glade to be carrying again.
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uncoolperson
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 04:39 pm |
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man, I want to move back home (kenai/homer... meh, just alaska would be nice).
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Baradium
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Posted: Sun Sep 30th, 2007 02:54 am |
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Nice area down there, I did some halibut fishing in Homer a few weeks ago. I was pretty surprised to learn about the massive tides there... stark contrast to the northern coast where it might be an inch (if it even moves at all).
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