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kwikrnu Regular Member
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I saw this story on another web forum. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873876 Here is a news story of the account. http://wgme.com/News/story_detail/story_detail_7.shtml?readmore They found a web diary of the woman who reported him. http://kellygreen514.livejournal.com/ Sorry if this a repost, but I looked beforehand and don't think it is. |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member 
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http://wgme.com/News/story_detail/story_detail_7.shtml?readmorePolice are investigating a man who they say showed a weapon near Payson Park in Portland Wednesday night. Police were called to the front of Seaside Nursing Home on Baxter Boulevard just after 7:00 Wednesday night. A short time later police arrested 23 year old Norman Hamann of Lyman, after he was seen with a gun in a holster on his hip. Police say Hamann was also armed with knives, though they still won't say why he was in the area. Witnesses say police tackled the suspect and arresting him. No injuries were reported. Hamann is now free on bail. http://kellygreen514.livejournal.com/ Why did that seem like a good idea? In continuing with my theme of stupid yet dangerous situations this week... Kim, Carrie & I were out walking Back Bay last night when we got passed by this kind of creepy looking guy. We ignored him and kept talking until we realized he was carrying a gun in a hoslter on his hip. Then we slowed the hell down and let him get waaaaaaay in front of us. There were two women walking their dog behind us and who had a cell phone & called the police. |
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Liko81 Founder's Club Member 
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Doug Huffman wrote: http://wgme.com/News/story_detail/story_detail_7.shtml?readmore OK. Maine is anomalous open-carry; you can carry a gun anywhere in public, full preemption, but there's a severe restriction (no OC or CC in a car without a permit). What then is the offense? If he was simply carrying it, no crime was committed. If however the guy "brandished" a gun, that could possibly result in the police reaction. My guess is that a MWAG call was phoned in and blown out of proportion by the time the officer's heard it. |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member
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I think that this event is unique in that we get to hear the backstory, the thoughts of the complaintant. |
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kwikrnu Regular Member
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It will interesting to find out what happens. From what I read all three accounts are very similar. I wonder if the woman will reply to the comments to her web diary. |
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Gray Peterson State Researcher 
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Someone needs to figure out who the arrestee is and then call him. |
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kwikrnu Regular Member
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: Someone needs to figure out who the arrestee is and then call him. He is the one who started the post I have linked above and his name appears in the news story. I'm sure isn't too hard to find. |
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GJD Regular Member
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wow - clear violation of constitutional rights. |
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swillden Regular Member 
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Doug Huffman wrote: I think that this event is unique in that we get to hear the backstory, the thoughts of the complaintant. According to the woman's blog entry, she's not the one who called it in. She said: Then we slowed the hell down and let him get waaaaaaay in front of us. There were two women walking their dog behind us and who had a cell phone & called the police. |
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OC-Glock19 Founder's Club Member 
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: Someone needs to figure out who the arrestee is and then call him. I Googled him and he appears to be an Eagle scout from troop 399. He even got a congratulatory message appended to the Maine Legislative record. I couldn't find any contact info, but only because I'm not a member on FrogBlog or MySpace. Norman appears to have profiles set up on both of those networking sites. Last edited on Fri May 23rd, 2008 12:25 pm by OC-Glock19 |
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eyesopened Regular Member
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I'd love to hear the 911 call on this... |
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worrbaron Regular Member
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I am not suprised this happend. Portland is moonbat city and despite most of Maine being gun friendly the liberals who come here during the summer and moonbats in portland hate guns and hate gun owners. They also have money so when they put the pressure down often times they are listened to. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Liko81 wrote: OK. Maine is anomalous open-carry; you can carry a gun anywhere in public, full preemption, but there's a severe restriction (no OC or CC in a car without a permit). What then is the offense? If he was simply carrying it, no crime was committed. If however the guy "brandished" a gun, that could possibly result in the police reaction. My guess is that a MWAG call was phoned in and blown out of proportion by the time the officer's heard it. No, there was no brandishing. It hadn't left my holster since range day the weekend before. |
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worrbaron Regular Member
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So it was you? What happend if you can comment on the situation. |
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Citizen Founder's Club Member
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boyscout399 wrote: Liko81 wrote:OK. Maine is anomalous open-carry; you can carry a gun anywhere in public, full preemption, but there's a severe restriction (no OC or CC in a car without a permit). What then is the offense? If he was simply carrying it, no crime was committed. If however the guy "brandished" a gun, that could possibly result in the police reaction. My guess is that a MWAG call was phoned in and blown out of proportion by the time the officer's heard it. WELCOME TO OCDO!!! Based on your report, you've got a lot of people pulling for you. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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The support is great. I don't want to comment too much more on what happened unless you guys have specific questions... It went down pretty much just like it's written on the Glocktalk forum http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=873876&page=6 |
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worrbaron Regular Member
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Wow sounds like Portland Police are screwing you over. |
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pacrimescode5904 Regular Member
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Without probable cause for the stop (open carrying being legal) the knives that they located as a result of the illegal search will have to be out as evidence as they are "fruit of the poisonous tree". Not to mention that I highly doubt that the great state of ME is going to outlaw pocket knives as a result of this case. Not a lawyer, just a retired cop. Just my 2 cents. |
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Citizen Founder's Club Member
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pacrimescode5904 wrote: Without probable cause for the stop (open carrying being legal) the knives that they located as a result of the illegal search will have to be out as evidence as they are "fruit of the poisonous tree". We don't yet know what the police were told via a 911 call, or "witnesses" they may have talked to before approaching the OC'er. Thus, we are not yet in a position to judge whether the police had reasonable, articulable, particularized suspicion to justify a Terry Stop. I do strongly recommend that we DO NOT ask the OC'er about it to satisfy our curiosity. Lets let he and his attorney sort it out. |
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RussP Regular Member 
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boyscout399 wrote: The support is great. I don't want to comment too much more on what happened unless you guys have specific questions... |
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GJD Regular Member
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Any updates? |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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None yet, sorry, courts take FOREVER! |
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GJD Regular Member
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understandable |
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longwatch Founder's Club Member 
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Tagged, and good luck boyscout. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Arraignment was on Friday. ADA dropped the case today. Here's more info: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=890240 |
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longwatch Founder's Club Member
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Thats good to hear, now you need to make sure the police are educated so this doesn't happen again. |
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bobernet Founder's Club Member
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Excellent outcome! Congratulations on the win! |
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Citizen Founder's Club Member
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boyscout399 wrote: SNIP ADA dropped the case today. GREAT NEWS!! Robert Baden-Powell must be celebrating. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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boyscout399 wrote: Arraignment was on Friday. ADA dropped the case today. Have you contacted the reporter(s) in this matter to make sure they publish a followup? These OC harassment cases have to be tried in the press or they will kepp hapenning. |
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RIAShooter Regular Member 
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Jeezums......you put in for your permit,two days later you thought that you would be cool,challenge the intent of the laws of Maine,make it tougher on the rest of us that DO have a permit,or all of the above. This is just one example of why I say,"OPEN CARRY IS BS". Is it legal ? Is it my right ? Is it kewl ? Will I impress people ? Maybe,but does it help the cause ?? I say heck no. Did you intentionally make your weapon easier to be grabbed/stolen. Why would the BG's mug someone over an unknown ammount of money(probably 30 bucks) deep down in their pocket, when with the least ammount of effort they can put a knife to your throat and releive you of a $600+ firearm that they have been observing bounce up and down on your hip for the last 10 minutes ?? Or worse ...... hold a knife to your wife's or young daughters throat while you hand them your firearm that is visably on your side ?? Hell,they probably carry a book of gun values around with them just for referance. If your lucky,when they are through,they might not kill or molest your family(or you). I am very pro 2A. I carry concealed every day. I do not want anyone to know that I have a firearm. I do not want to be the first targeted/shot during a robbery at the stop-and-steal. I do not want any unwanted attention. I do not care if I am kewl or not. When I lived in Maine I had a Maine permit and a NH permit. I carried concealed. I am now the proud carrier of a Florida concealed weapons permit. CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED. Good luck with open carry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what was posted on glock talk concerning this issue sounds a lot like anti gun liberals. |
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Jared Regular Member 
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RIAShooter wrote: Jeezums......you put in for your permit,two days later you thought that you would be cool,challenge the intent of the laws of Maine,make it tougher on the rest of us that DO have a permit,or all of the above. Oh look what July brought us, a new troll. |
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RIAShooter Regular Member
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Jared wrote: RIAShooter wrote:Jeezums......you put in for your permit,two days later you thought that you would be cool,challenge the intent of the laws of Maine,make it tougher on the rest of us that DO have a permit,or all of the above. Ha ha I guess your insinuating I'm a troll, I believe very strongly in open carry and am one of the only ones who do it in my area, I was informing people what was written on another forum, not my personal opinion, but don't break your fingers trying to type an apology, I forgive you. |
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Jared Regular Member
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RIAShooter wrote:
Your previous post informs nobody about anything on another forum. You response is as clear as day. You have no reference to this other forum and if you are being sarcastic, you did not indicate it. From what you wrote it appears you are a troll and nothing indicated you were pro open carry. You wrote " CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED". You'll get no apology from me. |
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RIAShooter Regular Member
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RIAShooter wrote: Jared wrote:RIAShooter wrote:Jeezums......you put in for your permit,two days later you thought that you would be cool,challenge the intent of the laws of Maine,make it tougher on the rest of us that DO have a permit,or all of the above. For your ease of use I have, bolded, italicized, and underlined, what I have written, so there won't be a mistake this time sorry for not making it clearer than the big lines between the passage and my paragraph. |
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johnsteele Regular Member
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I tend to get PO'd when people charged with enforcing the law blatantly violate it so if it were me I'd a) file suit against the PD for false arrest; b) find out if the PD has done this sort of thing before and if they have made any statements that it is policy --- if so I'd file a federal civil rights complaint with the DOJ for violation of civil rights (2nd Amendment); c) file a complaint with the State Police that the PPD is in regular violation of state law; d) write a formal letter ofcomplaint to my state representative/state senator and to any member of the legislature known to be friendly to the 2nd Amendment; e) write a complete description to the NRA and the state chapter. I don't know if any or all would work but it would sure as H*ll get their attention. It might even get the press to pay attention. |
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Gunslinger Regular Member 
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Jared wrote: RIAShooter wrote: He did say it was posted on 'Glock Talk' in his post, although at the bottom...just to be fair. |
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Decoligny Regular Member 
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Gunslinger wrote: Jared wrote:RIAShooter wrote: That's the equivalent of telling an elaborate story and ending it with "and then I woke up from the dream!" It's deceptive, and pisses people off without a good reason. |
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RIAShooter Regular Member
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Decoligny wrote: Gunslinger wrote:Jared wrote:RIAShooter wrote: Sorry I hadn't figured out the fancy "qoute" button yet, so to any of those who I pissed off, thats what happens when just glance at a post and don't read all the way through it, I'll be sure to add a disclaimer at then end of all my post from here on out DISCLAIMER: The only text posted by "RIAShooter" are outside the white box, and at the top of the white box under the name "RIAShooter", these are the opinions of RIAShooter, and not that of OpenCarry.com or any of its affiliates. Last edited on Thu Jul 10th, 2008 10:58 pm by RIAShooter |
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marshaul Activist Member 
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Guys, leave RIAshooter alone.  I didn't think he was trying to be deceptive, I just figured he didn't know how to quote.  |
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dougwg Regular Member 
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boyscout399 Are you going to file suit for false arrest? |
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RIAShooter Regular Member
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marshaul wrote: Guys, leave RIAshooter alone. Thank you Marshaul, but just to be safe I'm gonna stick to my disclaimer lol. DISCLAIMER: The only text posted by "RIAShooter" are outside the white box, these are the opinions of RIAShooter, and not that of OpenCarry.com or any of its affiliates. |
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thorvaldr Regular Member 
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RIAShooter wrote: Decoligny wrote:Gunslinger wrote:Jared wrote:RIAShooter wrote: No, not really. That's what happens when people get tired of reading anti open carry venom spewed out by some guy they've never heard of and stop reading about half way through. If you mean to apologize actually do it. And BTW, your disclaimer is meaningless. There isn't any white box in your original post. |
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RIAShooter Regular Member
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why would I apologize????? Because he stopped reading the post halfway through and made a bad assumption? I'm done defending it, if your to lazy to read the post then have fun looking like an ass when you finally realize what was actually posted, as far as I'm concerned you can all STFU and go play in traffic Last edited on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 01:36 am by RIAShooter |
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Sonora Rebel Regular Member 
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RIAShooter wrote: why would I apologize????? Because he stopped reading the post halfway through and made a bad assumption? I'm done defending it, if your to lazy to read the post then have fun looking like an ass when you finally realize what was actually posted, as far as I'm concerned you can all STFU and go play in trafficNice.... You must wear that t-shirt logo'd: "Does Not Play Well With Others" |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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Has there been a resolution to this situation yet? I'm not particularly interested in joining Glocktalk in order to search for another thread. |
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Deuce1911 Regular Member 
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well he beat the charges and i guess he is sueing the city. |
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Hendu024 Regular Member 
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I know this is a relatively old post... I actually still lived in Portland when this happened, and I wasn't really aware of the OC movement then. Now living in VA, I OC daily. I will be back home in 3 weeks to central Maine, and will be spending some time with friends in Portland, and will be OC'ing my Glock. Hopefully I won't get arrested at gunpoint, but we shall see... |
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DrMark Lone Star Veteran 
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Interesting case, to say the least. Good to see the charges dropped. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Hendu024 wrote: I know this is a relatively old post... I actually still lived in Portland when this happened, and I wasn't really aware of the OC movement then. Now living in VA, I OC daily. I will be back home in 3 weeks to central Maine, and will be spending some time with friends in Portland, and will be OC'ing my Glock. Hopefully I won't get arrested at gunpoint, but we shall see... Just make sure you are fully legal. Don't have a knife in your pocket or anything silly that they may use as an excuse to make an arrest on you. |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: Hendu024 wrote:I know this is a relatively old post... I actually still lived in Portland when this happened, and I wasn't really aware of the OC movement then. Now living in VA, I OC daily. I will be back home in 3 weeks to central Maine, and will be spending some time with friends in Portland, and will be OC'ing my Glock. Hopefully I won't get arrested at gunpoint, but we shall see... Last time I checked, a regular folding knife is legal to carry... Has something changed, and/or is there a cite for this? I've carried a knife in Maine for my entire life. Usually it's clipped to my pocket, and I have talked to dozens of police officers over the years (including some of Portland's "finest"), and no one has ever said a thing. Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 04:40 pm by Hendu024 |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Hendu024 wrote: boyscout399 wrote:Hendu024 wrote:I know this is a relatively old post... I actually still lived in Portland when this happened, and I wasn't really aware of the OC movement then. Now living in VA, I OC daily. I will be back home in 3 weeks to central Maine, and will be spending some time with friends in Portland, and will be OC'ing my Glock. Hopefully I won't get arrested at gunpoint, but we shall see... If you're open carrying a gun. They will stop you. They will frisk you, and they will call a pocket knife in your pocket a "concealed weapon" that's what they did to me. The charges will get dropped by the DA, but it cost me $1500 in lawyer fees to get it dropped. |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: Hendu024 wrote:Thanks for the insight. My next question is... do you still open carry?boyscout399 wrote:Hendu024 wrote:I know this is a relatively old post... I actually still lived in Portland when this happened, and I wasn't really aware of the OC movement then. Now living in VA, I OC daily. I will be back home in 3 weeks to central Maine, and will be spending some time with friends in Portland, and will be OC'ing my Glock. Hopefully I won't get arrested at gunpoint, but we shall see... |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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I open carried in the Sanford Walmart today looking for ammo. It was too hot to have my cover shirt, so I took it off. No screams of protest... no police involvement. I've open carried twice in Portland since my arrest and was stopped and detained both times by a multicop force. They usually send about 4 cars after me. The last time they stopped me they reported me to the State Police and threatened to have my concealed permit revoked. So I don't OC in Portland anymore... |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: I open carried in the Sanford Walmart today looking for ammo. It was too hot to have my cover shirt, so I took it off. No screams of protest... no police involvement.Wow. I knew Portland cops were @$$ holes but that is ridiculous. Maybe we can meet up for an OC lunch or something while I'm home... If you don't want to deal with it at all, I completely understand. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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could be fun! I'm game. |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: could be fun! I'm game.I'll be in Portland on Friday, the 17th of this month. Lunch somewhere? If you want to meet up, pick the place. There are so many restaurants in Portland that I have been deprived of, I am game to go anywhere. |
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Hendu024 wrote: boyscout399 wrote:could be fun! I'm game.I'll be in Portland on Friday, the 17th of this month. Lunch somewhere? If you want to meet up, pick the place. There are so many restaurants in Portland that I have been deprived of, I am game to go anywhere. Have at least two good digital recorders in the group. Boyscout - have you filed any freedom of information requests yet. Sounds to me that you might have valid basis for suit. Yata hey |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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Grapeshot wrote: Hendu024 wrote:boyscout399 wrote:could be fun! I'm game.I'll be in Portland on Friday, the 17th of this month. Lunch somewhere? If you want to meet up, pick the place. There are so many restaurants in Portland that I have been deprived of, I am game to go anywhere. Good idea. I don't have a voice recorder, I'll try to find one this week. I'm not sure what Maine's recording laws are, I will try to look them up. |
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smn Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: I open carried in the Sanford Walmart today looking for ammo. It was too hot to have my cover shirt, so I took it off. No screams of protest... no police involvement.You've got a great basis for a 42 USC 1983 lawsuit. Keep names and badge numbers and all that good stuff. Retain a lawyer. |
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smn wrote: boyscout399 wrote:Yep, I said the same thing in the thread over at GT. There were people over there poo poo'ing the idea of a civil suite, and saying that he didn't have enough of a case to make it worthwhile. They don't know what they are talking about. This is not only a violation of 4th Amendment, but outright harassment. This is starting to happen here as well. This OC movement is starting to look more and more like the civil rights movement of the 60's.I open carried in the Sanford Walmart today looking for ammo. It was too hot to have my cover shirt, so I took it off. No screams of protest... no police involvement.You've got a great basis for a 42 USC 1983 lawsuit. Keep names and badge numbers and all that good stuff. Retain a lawyer. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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smn wrote: boyscout399 wrote:I open carried in the Sanford Walmart today looking for ammo. It was too hot to have my cover shirt, so I took it off. No screams of protest... no police involvement.You've got a great basis for a 42 USC 1983 lawsuit. Keep names and badge numbers and all that good stuff. Retain a lawyer. I've had trouble finding a lawyer willing to take the case on contingency. It is too late now to file for a lawsuit due to the 2008 arrest, but I have til November to file for the times they've stopped me this year. |
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Crash7795 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: I've open carried twice in Portland since my arrest and was stopped and detained both times by a multicop force. They usually send about 4 cars after me. The last time they stopped me they reported me to the State Police and threatened to have my concealed permit revoked. So I don't OC in Portland anymore... I don't know if things have changed, or who issued your permit, but...last I knew, permits are issued at the municipality level and another municipality has no jurisdiction over your permit. Is that not the case anymore? I suppose if Portland made a large enough legitimate stink to a state authority, you could have your permit revoked that way, but I would also think that the state would not act on a 3rd party's complaint (Portland) without good and sufficient reason. Maybe that's flawed logic...or maybe the flaw is using logic where government is concerned. I don't blame you for not OCing in Portland anymore, given what you have been through, but I also think Portland is winning if their (apparently?) empty threats are making you reconsider your exercising of your rights. I am in no way throwing stones. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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My permit was issued by the State Police. Portland PD contacted the State Police after my most recent encounter and the State Police head of licensing called me and told me that if Portland PD actually does find cause to arrest me in any of their stops, like disturbing the peace or something stupid like that, then the state WILL revoke my permit. |
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smn Regular Member
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The sooner you file a formal complaint or a lawsuit, the less likely your permit will be revoked if you have another negative encounter. You'll have a paper trail established showing a continued policy to deny your rights and privileges by officers under color of law, a la 42 USC 1983 violations. |
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Crash7795 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: My permit was issued by the State Police. Portland PD contacted the State Police after my most recent encounter and the State Police head of licensing called me and told me that if Portland PD actually does find cause to arrest me in any of their stops, like disturbing the peace or something stupid like that, then the state WILL revoke my permit. Huh. My brother (Portland) and I (Hallowell) were both told that the issuing of permits was a municipal thing, and that when/if you move within Maine, you're supposed to update your permit to the new municipality. Interesting. (And not in a good way.) Edited to correct stupid grammar. Last edited on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 09:46 pm by Crash7795 |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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municipalities can issue permits, but many municipalities without a local police force (I live in a small town) delegate the issuance of permits to the State Police. The SP website has a resident application permit in PDF form that you can download and mail in... |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: municipalities can issue permits, but many municipalities without a local police force (I live in a small town) delegate the issuance of permits to the State Police. The SP website has a resident application permit in PDF form that you can download and mail in... You're right, I forgot about that. I remember reading that somewhere quite a while back. Thanks for the clarification. My new question is, since I am not a Maine resident anymore, does that make my resident permit null and void? I am doing some research, but haven't found anything so far. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Hendu024 wrote: boyscout399 wrote:municipalities can issue permits, but many municipalities without a local police force (I live in a small town) delegate the issuance of permits to the State Police. The SP website has a resident application permit in PDF form that you can download and mail in... as far as I know, you have to update your address on your permit within like 30 days of moving. I don't know how that affects your permit if you move out of state, but I would think they would convert your res to a non-res if you moved out of state. A non-res permit is pretty much the same as a res permit for ease of getting it... go to http://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/licenses/weapons_permits.html |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Hendu024 wrote: boyscout399 wrote:municipalities can issue permits, but many municipalities without a local police force (I live in a small town) delegate the issuance of permits to the State Police. The SP website has a resident application permit in PDF form that you can download and mail in... Your permit is invalid 30 days after moving... http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/Statutes/25/title25sec2005.html |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: Hendu024 wrote:boyscout399 wrote:municipalities can issue permits, but many municipalities without a local police force (I live in a small town) delegate the issuance of permits to the State Police. The SP website has a resident application permit in PDF form that you can download and mail in... @#$%. Guess I will definitely be Oc'ing then. |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Don't forget to clear the weapon when you get in a vehicle. |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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boyscout399 wrote: Don't forget to clear the weapon when you get in a vehicle. Right. I do miss Maine, but Virginia is definitely a breath of fresh air. So are you gonna be around next Friday? |
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boyscout399 Regular Member
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Hendu024 wrote: boyscout399 wrote:Don't forget to clear the weapon when you get in a vehicle. I'll be working 6-4... |
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Deuce1911 Regular Member
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hey boyscout sorry to hear your having problems with the dicks in Portland. I subscribe to USCCA magazine and there is an add for Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. I havent checked it out but looks like you might be able to find a lawyer thru the network. Im not too sure but if your interested you can check it out. http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org And also the state cant threaten you like that. You cant be held accountable for the reactions of people to your lawfull conduct. thats why there are laws against certain things. For example, lets say you have a party. You have a band play at this party and they get too loud. you can be charged with disturbing the peace because most towns have a noise ordinance. so the second you got to loud you were breaking the law. There is no law against OCing in Portland so you were well within your rights. Im sure what im saying is kind of redundant at this point but at anyrate good luck man. by the way you woudlnt happen to know any good places to go shooting. like a old gravel pit or somethin would ya? i live in kittery and used to shoot at this pit in Sanford/Lebonon line but cant anymore because people were bringing trash down to shoot at then leaving it there. having trouble finding a place close by. |
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jay75009 Regular Member 
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im in the same spot deuce, good places to go shooting in S manine are becoming scarce |
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