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M1Gunr Regular Member 
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WA OpenCarry Members OpenCarry.org Location: (Tacoma / Fife area) mile post 135.5 to 137.5 North Bound I-5 shoulder from the Puyallup River bridge to the exit at 54th Ave in Fife. We do not clean the center divider. Date, time & place to meet: Time: 10 AM Date: 2nd Sunday of Each Month Meet At: Large Parking lot just north of 20th Ave & Industrial Drive (see map). I will have all the forms that are required by the state. Some folks have been asking about the forms that are needed. One form is just a log sheet of everyone who picks that day and is filled out at each pick. The other form is a one time thing & requires the last four of your SSN ( to separate you from all the John Smiths). It is used in case there is an accident you are covered by the state L&I insurance (full medical). You can download the form and bring it with you or I will have some on hand. http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/3763B4F6-E069-45FF-9BDD-33A155632C9F/0/Registration.pdf Equipment Supplied: hard hats - not a requirement but suggested to wear in case of flying road debris. reflective vests - if you have a reflective jacket or a vest of your own you can use it. orange highway warning road sign trash bags pick up sticks / reach extenders (I only have 6 available) Equipment suggested: gloves and boots  If we have snow on the ground then the event will be canceled and rescheduled. For those wondering if there is snow on the ground check out this link: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/tacoma/i5_puyallupriver.htm If the ground is white event will be canceled. Questions? PM me for my cell number, for those of you with my number feel free to pass it along to those who don't. Attached Image (viewed 710 times): Last edited on Tue Sep 29th, 2009 06:58 pm by M1Gunr |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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YES, the signs are for real. Last edited on Mon Mar 30th, 2009 03:29 am by M1Gunr |
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just_a_car Regular Member 
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So, what would be entailed in doing this? Monetary donations? Time in cleaning up?... and how much of the above? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Participating groups agree to clean up an "adopted" section of highway two to six times a year (depending on the highway and volume of anticipated litter) for at least two years. WSDOT will supply litter bags and safety materials. Typically, the assigned sections include two to four miles of roadside and may be of the participant's choosing or one suggested by the coordinator. Safety of the participants is the primary concern in determining where sections are assigned. Sections are assigned on a first come, first serve basis and waiting lists are maintained for the more popular areas or sections. After pick up, volunteers send in an activity report describing the hours worked- this secures medical insurance for the volunteers and alerts WSDOT crews that litter bags are ready for collection and disposal. One person is designated as the “crew leader” to contact if the local coordinator has questions. A highway sign recognizing volunteer groups is installed along the adopted section of highway within six to eight weeks after the final agreement is signed. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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If it is in fife, count me in. |
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ScottyT Regular Member 
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A couple of us here in Utah tried to contact the Adopt-a-Highway person here to get this going. After several weeks and lots of messages without hearing from her, we gave up. I wish there were an office we could go into or something... |
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kparker Regular Member
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I'm in for a Fife section, too. |
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bayfire66 Regular Member 
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I live in the lake stevens area count me in |
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Gene Beasley Regular Member 
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I would be in for the Fife vicinity as well. |
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compmanio365 Regular Member 
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Yeah, I'd be in for Fife.....not a big deal at all, and the exposure along I-5 there would be second to none....... |
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aktion Regular Member 
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Never thought I'd say this, but......yeah, I'm down with Fife. Heh, not so hard.  |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I was hoping to get 10 folks involved before I submitted the paperwork. edit: numbers change Also: please PM with name & contact info. Last edited on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 04:58 pm by M1Gunr |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member 
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Bill, Add my name to the list Jim Milner |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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everyone interested will need to download and fill out one of these forms: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres/3763B4F6-E069-45FF-9BDD-33A155632C9F/0/Registration.pdf At this time I have 8 folks interested. I'd like to get 10 folks signed up before taking this on. I'll go ahead and fill out the necessary forms to request the Fife location and get the ball rolling. edit: Expressways/highways have signs with space for up to two lines of text with 20 characters per line. My idea on the sign: Washington OC Members www,OpenCarry,org ideas? comments? rude remarks? Last edited on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 11:48 pm by M1Gunr |
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John Hardin Regular Member 
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M1Gunr wrote: My idea on the sign: Only one: commas? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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John Hardin wrote: M1Gunr wrote:if you put in the dots on this site it adds the http://, so I used commas instead. just think of them as big dots for now....My idea on the sign: We have till July 1st to come up with signage info. I sent in the papers today. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I haven't gotten an answer on all my questions, but I did receive info that No Web Addresses or phone numbers are allowed on the signs. So I will need different wording. Last edited on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 04:12 am by M1Gunr |
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Gene Beasley Regular Member
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How about NorthWest Citizens Defense League? I would really prefer a Open Carry reference. It seems like VCDL is almost synonymous with OCDO at least in the OC community. I don't know that there would be a connection there outside of that. |
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kparker Regular Member
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Will they allow just plain words? Open Carry Dot Org |
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aktion Regular Member
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PM sent. So what is the name of the adopting organization for the Registration form? I like the NW Citizen Defense League, or some variation thereof. Cascade/Washington/something with fewer characters. Perhaps 'NW Defense Volunteers'. |
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ghosthunter Regular Member 
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I think you have to have something Open Carry otherwise what is the point. You want Open Carry on that sign. Depending on the speed limit many folks will not even notice your gun. The sign with Open carry is the cream on the cake. It is a must in my veiw. Members Open Carry Washington Open Carry King County open Carry Whatever. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I have alerted the person in charge who we are and our agenda. She is fine with that but we still have to be approved by someone higher than her. My latest suggestion them was the following, remember we are limited to 20 characters per line: Washington OC Members OpenCarry Org Last edited on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:20 am by M1Gunr |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Washington OC Members OpenCarry Org I called Joyce and let her know I would come over and sign the papers this morning. I arrived in the parking lot and walked in the building. She came right up to me and said "you must be Bill." As we got down the hallway she said she figured it had to be me because of the pistol on my hip. No one batted an eye the whole time. The paperwork is all signed and equipment picked up. Our sign will be in place in 6-8 weeks (or sooner). I have all the paperwork needed along with safety equipment. If you want to use the extended grabbers to pick up trash you will have to purchase it yourself (I suggest Harbor Freight Tools). No more than 15 folks and three vehicles. No need to PM me with contact info as everyone picking will have a form to fill out. One form they only need once, the other is a roster of folks picking and. Once the form is filled out you are covered under L&I in case of accident. All we need to do now is pick our first litter picking date. I drove by the area all last week and it looks really good however I did not get out to do a inspection. We are required to pick 4 times a year (min). I suggest we do a pick late July early August then we are in the clear till late October early November. April is a mandatory pick month. I am going to turn my first post on this subject into the Pick Date & Time. As soon as we get the sign in place a pic will be added. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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NEAT! I really do hope I have the time to help out on this, even though it's such a long drive. |
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Gene Beasley Regular Member
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Cool, what stretch do we have? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Gene Beasley Cool, what stretch do we have? North Bound I-5 from the Puyallup bridge to the exit at 54th Ave in Fife. I drove the shoulder today on the way home from work. It looks in good shape with very little trash. There are a couple of areas that are mowed on a regular basis. Last edited on Wed Nov 19th, 2008 05:00 pm by M1Gunr |
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ghosthunter Regular Member
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Wish I was not so far away I would like to get in on it. Maybe I can muster some intrest up north. How about it anyone in Skagit -Whatcom County interested???? |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Honestly, Skagit-Whatcom is closer for me than Fife is... plus I don't have to travel through "enemy territory" (Read: The People's Яepublik of Seattle). It would be even better if it were Snohomish County, as there's quite a few people up here: myself, expvideo, Lonnie, Agent47, etc. |
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ghosthunter Regular Member
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No reason there cannot be more than one group. I can see this taking off all over the state. Media might even pick up on it. Flash Drivers took a double take today as they sped by members of OpenCarry. org wearing their rights on their hip while picking up litter........... |
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John Hardin Regular Member
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ghosthunter wrote: Drivers took a double take today as they sped by members of OpenCarry. org wearing their rights on their hip while picking up litter........... Oh yeah. That would help to dispel the myth that OC is for nutcases. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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in others news..... Litter on the highways has dropped to an all time low since Washington members of OpenCarry.org have begun picking up litter along the I-5 corridor while wearing their guns. NH gun advocates pick up litter to attract attention http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS/80504008/-1/NEWS08&sfad=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIBELcNq5mU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olP_kwsEZ6w&NR=1 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Yano, something I thought about last night... what's stopping anti's from waiting to see the OCDO members cleaning up the stretch of road designated as "theirs" to keep clean and then the next day dumping as much crap as they can to show how "bad" we are? (barring the obvious "hurting the environment" and litter-laws, of course) What I'm saying is, by marking something as "ours" it becomes a target, just in general. |
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ghosthunter Regular Member
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Bad press for them if they get caught not to mention the nice littering fine. And a camcorder on site can record the effort and progress of our group. I dont think this would be much of a problem. If so we just go out and do it again. Now days with all the Hwy cams out there it would a risky move for them. |
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Right Wing Wacko Campaign Veteran 
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When I was doing work for my local districts republican party a few years back I suggested that we do an Adopt a Highway. I was told this had been tried once by King County Republicans and once "some people" saw the sign, they treated that road as their own private dump. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: When I was doing work for my local districts republican party a few years back I suggested that we do an Adopt a Highway. I was told this had been tried once by King County Republicans and once "some people" saw the sign, they treated that road as their own private dump. ...and that's exactly what had crossed my mind. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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At least you could take date stamped pics of it so if it did happen you could show that it was an intentional and illegal dumping. |
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ghosthunter Regular Member
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There is only one way to find out. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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The first post on this thread has been converted for information related to the litter clean up, dates / forms/ info. I'm looking at our first pick date to be Aug 2nd, Everyone please look at their schedules. I'd like to have at least 10 folks when we pick. |
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Gene Beasley Regular Member
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On my current schedule, I can't do Saturdays. Sundays are okay, but weekdays would work better for me. Can we think about a mix of weekdays and weekends? Shift work makes it hard to commit to things that those who have weekends free can attend. I'm glad that I at least have Sunday off so I can make the monthly lunches. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I just threw a date out there but if Sunday's work better for everyone or we can find a weekday that's great too. Whatever the date I just have to inform the coordinator before we can pick. This is to ensure there is no construction planned in the area or other issue that would prevent us from picking. It also alerts the WA State Patrol to roadside activity. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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I can do any thursdays. As for sundays I work every other sunday. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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We need to choose a date for August, lets get the ideas rolling....... |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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Any weekend day is open for me.......just need to know ahead of time. How about the first weekend in August? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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the first week of August I will be camping with my kids on their visit from NY. Anytime after that works for me. |
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Jim675 Founder's Club Member 
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Pretty much any weekend with a week or two notice and I'll be glad to help out. Thank you for arranging this. |
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aktion Regular Member
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Same for me; a week or so notice, and most weekends will work for me. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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bump See page one, 1st thread for info. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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The weekend of the 23/24th is our scheduled OC meet. Will either the 16th or 17th work with most folks. I have to turn in the pick date at least 2 weeks before picking to ensure there is no conflict with scheduled state maintenance. I'd like to get a crew of 10 together for our first litter pickup. -Bill |
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Jim675 Founder's Club Member
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Either is fine with me. |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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16th/17th of August? Works for me..... |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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am wondering if Bear will loan me his 45/70 pistol to OC to pick up trash??? My idea is that the state puts larger signs on the freeway why not carry a larger gun for all to see...? |
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sv_libertarian State Researcher 
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I'll join if I have the time. Can I OC my Mosin Nagant? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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sv_libertarian wrote: I'll join if I have the time. Can I OC my Mosin Nagant? maybe this one..... Attached Image (viewed 170 times): |
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sv_libertarian State Researcher
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I never thought it was possible to make a mosin nagant any uglier... until I saw that gun. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member 
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M1Gunr wrote: am wondering if Bear will loan me his 45/70 pistol to OC to pick up trash??? My idea is that the state puts larger signs on the freeway why not carry a larger gun for all to see...? Come and get it, I even have a holster somewhere around here. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I just may take you up on that...LOL |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Rule #1 Carry a big enough gun. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: sv_libertarian wrote:I'll join if I have the time. Can I OC my Mosin Nagant? Nope... not in this state. That's an SBR and Steve's not an LEO or FFL-holder. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: M1Gunr wrote:sv_libertarian wrote:I'll join if I have the time. Can I OC my Mosin Nagant? Steve's is a normal Mosin not he pictured one. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I know Bear, but M1Gunr suggested the now-renowned "Tactical Mosin" which is most definitely a Class III firearm not allowed in our state for Civies. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: I know Bear, but M1Gunr suggested the now-renowned "Tactical Mosin" which is most definitely a Class III firearm not allowed in our state for Civies. Not allowed for cops either unless it is department owned. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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I can do the 17th. After 0800. I work the 16th. |
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sv_libertarian State Researcher
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In an attempt to hijack this thread... I'm wondering if a mosin came into this country without a stock, just as a barreled action, if one could turn it into a pistol gripped destructive device (registered of course) and be legal in this state? Or would the fact that sometime 60 years or so ago it had a buttstock on it be iffy? Of course I'm overly fond of the small bones in my hands, so maybe not!  |
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sv_libertarian State Researcher
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Rule #1 Carry a big enough gun.Dude, that's like enough gun for what? A dinosaur?  |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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sv_libertarian wrote: In an attempt to hijack this thread... I seem to remember reading somewhere a long time ago that the firearm had to come from the factory in the condition that allowed it to be classified DD. This is why the Remington and Mossy Serbu-Shorty's are DD's and not SBS's; they came from the factory with only pistol grip, no buttstock. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Ok folks here we go.... I going to call this for Saturday August 16th with a gathering time of 10am. Directions and more information will be found in the first post of this thread. Please remember we are limited to a total of 15 people and 3 vehicles on the highway. If one needs more info PM me and/or I will pass along my cell number. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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bump Last edited on Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 06:09 pm by M1Gunr |
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Gene Beasley Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: Ok folks here we go.... How are we doing on the head count? I would have to take a vacation day to do a Saturday. If you've got enough I won't worry about it. If you're short people, I will try to get it off. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Looking back through the thread it seems that I have enought folks scheduled for the 16th. However if everyone interested in picking could PM me to confirm the I'll have a more accurate head count. Everyone who picks must be at least 15 years old, so if you have that teenager sitting at home, bring them along (my daughter will be helping). |
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I talked to M1gunner today and he is camping with his family he wanted to remind people of sat for the roadside cleanup at i believe he said 10am |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Ok, I'm back in town ready to do this. I did a drive by of the area and it looks pretty good. A few, if not most of the businesses have a private firm mowing the grass which will make it easy for us. We'll meet at 10am tomorrow (Aug 16th) just north of the US Bank on the corner of Hwy 99 (Pacific Hwy) and 54th Ave in Fife (large parking lot) . PM me for my cell number if needed. Remember to bring gloves. I have vests and hard hats. If anyone has some FRS handheld radios they might be worth having on hand. I'll have a cooler of ice and bottles of water. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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10am today Jim675, jarhead1055, M1Gunr, m1gunr's daughter Becky and friend Diana arrived on locataion to pick up trash along I-5 through the Fife curve. Other than being hotter than hell it was still a good meet despite the turnout. The next pick up will be scheduled for early November. Attached Image (viewed 279 times): |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Outstanding! We need to figure out one that's more North than Fife for the rest of us. Heck, even Seattle would be much better for myself, but I think you mentioned there was even some in Snohomish County. Hrm, maybe we can get multiple stretches and have it covered from North Seattle Metro to South Seattle Metro with signs that OCDO members are keeping the streets cleaner (and Safer!) for drivers.  |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Yeah, why didn't you wait a bit and choose a hotter day? You guys did good. |
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Jim675 Founder's Club Member
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Thanks for setting that up M1Gunr. I hope they get our sign up soon. I want to point it out to some friends. Timing was awesome, it'll probably stand as the hottest day for 2008. Please post a picture once the warning sign has been "clarified"! |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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Sorry I didn't make it......like an idiot, I forgot to check up on this thread and see when we were actually doing this......... Of course, you couldn't have chose a hotter day for it........ |
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I'd totally be up for it. My current days off are Th-Fr, but could change by November... |
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Bookman Regular Member
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I didn't know about this one, but I'm definitely up for the one in November. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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Count me in for NOV. I know work Mon-Fri. |
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Did we ever get the wording on our sign nailed down?I haven't gotten an answer on all my questions, but I did receive info that No Web Addresses or phone numbers are allowed on the signs. So I will need different wording. This morning I saw an Adopt-A-Highway sign for an organization called handsfree.com. Their corporate logo, which incorporates their URL, was on the sign. This was Eastbound SR-516 just East of Meeker in Kent. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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deanf wrote: Did we ever get the wording on our sign nailed down? If we pay the fee and have someone else pick it up we can have the web address on the sign. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Folks it we have a small change in plans for our highway section. It seems that the state double booked the stretch of highway we have. Brown Bear Carwash pays a third party to clean the section of highway we were assigned and has so since 2006. What this means is that we have to be reassigned. I chose the section that still gives us plenty of exposure but it means moving us a little more into Tacoma. We now have the section on the Northbound side from MP 134.8 to 136.8 which encompasses the Puyallup exit at MP135 and the Port of Tacoma Road at MP 136. They will be moving the sign in the next few days. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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M1, It took them this long to find this out. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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had I not brought it to their attention when I was looking for our sign no one would have been the wiser. We signed up for MP 135.5 to 133.5 and since I was looking for the sign at the 139.5 mark all I found was the BB car wash sign. At least we got a area close to the one we had. It could have been I-5 at MP 90. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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Cool. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Early November is fast approaching. November 1st is a gun show weekend. So lets shoot for Saturday, November 8th as a trash picking day. |
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trevorthebusdriver Regular Member
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I can't make it till after 3:30... |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Geez Gunner! I wanted to be there, but we have our Veteran's dinner to prepare and an art show to attend on Saturday. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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We can do this on a Sat or Sun. I'm flexible either day and start time as well. I'd even give up my gun show weekend if enough folks get on board (Nov 1-2). |
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Bookman Regular Member
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If we can do it on the 9th instead I can be there. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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Count me in 8th or 9th. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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My apologies for not getting back to this sooner. I need to know how many folks are still on for this Sunday the 9th for a pick up date. I've got all the equipment and paperwork (except gloves). I expect this will be a wet weekend, come prepared. The state moved our location but I haven't changed our meeting spot as of yet. I need to look at the parking areas near to our start point. |
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dlnwoody Regular Member
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count me in. what time and where. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Time & place info will always be posted in the 1st post of this thread. Date, time & place to meet: Date: 10AM Time: November 9, 2008 Place: Large Parking lot just north of the US Bank (northeast corner of 54th & Pacific Hwy) & the Casino parking garages, Fife, WA. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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December Trash Pick up dates Time, place and other info will always be posted in the 1st post of this thread. Date, time & place to meet: Date: 10AM Time: December 13th or 14th, 2008 Place: Large Parking lot just north of the US Bank (northeast corner of 54th & Pacific Hwy) & the Casino parking garages, Fife, WA. |
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FMCDH Regular Member 
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Count me in for this detail. Its a bit of a drive, but its for a good cause. Hopefully it will be a nice day so we can OC. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Lets look at the 14th for the trash pick up. The 13th/14th is a gun show weekend as well as a OC meet up in Tukwila at Claim Jumpers. Anyone who wants my cell number PM me in case you forget your directions & info. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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In light of the pending weather forecast for the area. I am going to cancel the litter pick up for Sunday the 14th. We'll look at a date in January. |
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M1Gunr wrote: In light of the pending weather forecast for the area. I am going to cancel the litter pick up for Sunday the 14th. We'll look at a date in January. Snow by tonight...  |
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Can you sign up for this after the fact? I know all the paperwork is already put in, but I would still like to participate. Last edited on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 09:13 am by sempercarry |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Can you sign up for this after the fact? I know all the paperwork is already put in, but I would still like to participate. Anyone who wants to pick up trash just has to show up at the next meet. The form that is filled out covers you if you get hurt while out there under the State's L&I program. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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TOMORROW - Sunday March 8th next pickup. See the first post for directions and location. |
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FMCDH Regular Member
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Rain and snow tomorrow according to the weather service ( ) Will there still be a pickup if the weather doesn't back off after today? |
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Unless there are inches of snow on the ground, I'll be there at 10am. |
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For those thinking ahead to the impending weather. If we have snow on the ground then the event will be canceled and rescheduled. For those wondering if there is snow on the ground check out this link: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/tacoma/i5_puyallupriver.htm If the ground is white event will be canceled. Questions? PM me for my cell number, for those of you with my number feel free to pass it along to those who don't. |
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The ground is turning white here in the south end so I am gonna call this for today. If anyone wants to get together for a impromptu OC meet, I'm up for it. Last edited on Sun Mar 8th, 2009 06:08 pm by M1Gunr |
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Some of us are meeting at the Poodle Dog for food. Its on the corner of 54th and Pacific Hwy in Fife. |
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Good food this morning to go with the bad weather. Nice to see you folks. Jim |
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I'm up for april but need a day to schedule off. |
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M1Gunr wrote: pics That's awesome |
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FMCDH Regular Member
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OMG, that is too cool for words. Talk about advertising! |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member
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 OH NO!!!! Doris, if you throw that bottle out the window, they will shoot us!!!!!!GREAT advertising... |
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FMCDH Regular Member
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Trigger Dr wrote: OH NO!!!! Doris, if you throw that bottle out the window, they will shoot us!!!!!! "Henry, don't you DARE flick that cigarette out the window! They sure are taking litterers seriously these days!" |
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Mike Super Moderator
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Was this you guys? http://ridleyreport.com/video/2009/mar/open_carry_litter_pickup_spreads_washington_guns |
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Mike wrote: Was this you guys? http://ridleyreport.com/video/2009/mar/open_carry_litter_pickup_spreads_washington_guns I sent some pics to the Ridley Report. The electronic reader boards are generated by the guys at http://atom.smasher.org. The blue and orange roadside signs are for real. The next scheduled trash pickup is in early April. |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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Point of order: Easter is Sunday, April 12, 2009 This places our standard OCLPU day in direct conflict. Do we reschedule for the day before (one week from today) or the week after? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I re-read the rules and we cannot pick up on a holiday weekend. So it will have to be rescheduled for another or several weekends that month. I will be attending the WAC gun show on Sat in April and the one in Elma as soon as I know the date. I am up for any day to pick trash or if we need to break the event into multiple days but we are required to pick up in April. What ever days are most convenient for folks lets look at that. If 5 can pick one date and 10 another and 8 another lets do it . |
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I already have plans in place to be 'up there' this coming weekend. I realize it's short notice, but how many folks are willing to pick on THIS COMING SUNDAY APRIL 5? |
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Phssthpok wrote: I already have plans in place to be 'up there' this coming weekend. I'm in ! I've been emailing Mike Stollenwerk from OCDO about us doing a press release and getting some more video time while doing this event. I want enough folks on hand to do a show of force but I need people to show up. If Sunday does not work how about a Saturday? Let's pick the right day and make this happen !! |
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Provided I'm not working, I'm in for this Sunday or Saturday. I should know my schedule later today. |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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I'm better for sat. .... can't do sunday |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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ow the day. 2 or 3 is better than none. |
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kendra Regular Member
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I'm scheduled to work 7am to 3pm on both saturday and sunday, so if it's possible to do it at 3:30 or 4pm, I'll be there (either day). If not, then I'm bummed  |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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As long as we have a few folks and there is daylight I could care less about the time. AS LONG AS PEOPLE SHOW UP !! I have dedicated every weekend this month to pick up trash and as long as we have folks willing I will be there. |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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I'm gonna call it, sunday april 5th @ say, noon. work for you guys? head count? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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jarhead and I will be there. ANYONE ELSE ? |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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myself. Staging point? I have an arrowstick/amber warning lights on my car... If need be. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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TechnoWeenie wrote: myself. See page one of this thread for location and maps. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Jarhead, Technoweenie and myself picked a small section of the highway today. You couldn't have asked for better weather combined with the big orange sign and Techno's car along the highway with his flashers going. Next week 11th & 12th is a no pick Holiday Weekend. All remaining weekends we will be picking and more volunteers would be greatly appreciated. All you need to bring are boots and gloves. I've got everything else. Attached Image (viewed 157 times): Last edited on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 12:00 am by M1Gunr |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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Someone left a roll of bags on their sissy step and drove off, I have them in my car... |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I really do want to make one of these, this week just didn't work out well for me. I'm hoping that I'll have enough free time the week after Easter. |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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Sorry I didn't make it out yesterday guys, felt like crap yesterday and today. Should be able to make it the next time out. |
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Same goes for me. Between training trips to California (blech ) and vacation and weather, timing has been horrible. I didn't even get to go to the OC meet up in Sea-Tac like I had planned due to work obligations. I will keep monitoring this page and try to slip in where I can. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Every weekend this month I'm available except for the 25th. I'll be doing the "Shoot on the move" practice with OldKim in Renton. |
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Ok everybody that is available!! We need a huge turnout for the next litter pick up. A photographer will be joining us from The Seattle Weekly and we need a good showing for this event on Sunday May 17th. If you have a kid that is 15 yrs old or older bring em. I have all the equipment and forms required. You need to bring gloves. |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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Anyone from the Vancouver area wanna carpool to this thing? I was just up there last weekend and, being out of work as I am, I cant afford to be making another trip so soon...especially with the climbing gas prices (damn you summer). |
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kendra Regular Member
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We'll be there (since I'm unemployed my weekends have finally freed up). |
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We may have two armed litter patrols in the Puget Sound area soon. Seattle Citizens for 2nd Amendment is looking into adopting a stretch of I-5.... |
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trevorthebusdriver wrote: We may have two armed litter patrols in the Puget Sound area soon. Seattle Citizens for 2nd Amendment is looking into adopting a stretch of I-5.... More the merrier, they should get the stretch right adjacent to ours. People will see signs along the road and think its now mandatory to be armed for litter cleanup.  |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I wonder if the sign shop will give them a cool orange sign as well ? |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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Can't make it unfortunately...... Apparently 'unavailable to work 05/17/09' means 'call me if you need me'.... |
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Jim675 Founder's Club Member
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Another good day! We had 8 people show up in perfect weather and the photographer from the Seattle Weekly spent over an hour with us. Nice to see you all again! |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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For everyone that showed up I thank you. As soon as I know about the article i will let everyone know. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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http://www.seattleweekly.com/2009-05-27/news/caution-armed-volunteer-litter-crew-ahead/ Driving along I-5 in Fife, motorists are confronted with signage for fast-food restaurants and gas stations, which fight for space with advertisements for RV dealerships, car lots, and boat dealers. Nearby, a gigantic electronic billboard announces showtimes for '80s rock bands performing at the Emerald Queen Casino. Given all these distractions, one might miss the unobtrusive Adopt-a-Highway sign sponsored by Washington Open Carry. Every month, as many as a dozen or more volunteers perform litter control along a two-mile stretch between the Puyallup River Bridge and the 54th Avenue exit. Unlike your average Kiwanis, Boy Scout, or church group, they're armed not only with litter bags and poachers, but also Glocks, Smith & Wessons, and Sig Sauers. A large, diamond-shaped orange roadwork sign advises drivers: "Armed Volunteer Litter Crew Ahead." "I have seen folks stick their arms out the window and wave. Some will honk their horns, but I have seen some with their face to the glass pointing at the guys picking up trash," says litter-control organizer Bill Starks of Tacoma. "Usually with those folks, I wonder if they took the time to actually read the orange safety sign, the one that says 'Armed Litter Patrol Ahead' with a picture of the gun at the bottom." It is a peculiar vision: someone who is not a law enforcement officer or security guard walking around in public with a pistol. This is the Open Carry movement, comprising gun owners who, for a variety of reasons, aren't satisfied with concealing their weapons. The goal is to make the sight a more normal occurrence. Washington is one of the 43 states where it is legal to carry a handgun without having to conceal it. But just because it's technically OK to walk down the street with a Colt .45 strapped to your hip doesn't mean a panicked citizen won't punch 911 into their cell phone to report a person with a gun wandering around downtown Seattle. Nor has it prevented skeptical police officers from stopping, detaining, and often arresting people who are legally open-carrying. Gray Peterson, a self-described "progressive gay liberal," is probably the person most instrumental in first flying the Open Carry movement's flag in Washington. Moving to the state from Oregon in 2004, he began a one-person crusade to educate local law enforcement agencies. Using his own resources, Peterson has obtained legal advice, and began printing up "Washington Gun Rights" pamphlets to give to police chiefs, patrol officers, politicians, and the general public. "As a person who is a gay man, I have an aversion to being in the closet about anything," Peterson says. When in Seattle, he doesn't want to worry about getting assaulted just because he and his partner are holding hands. "There are attacking thugs going into Capitol Hill to bash gays, and police are only there to mop up after the fact." He says that by openly carrying, he is able to avert confrontation because criminals, seeing the handle of his semi-automatic jutting out of its holster, leave him alone. If he concealed the weapon—like most open-carriers, he has a concealed pistol license—Peterson feels he is more likely to get into a confrontation which will result in him having to draw his weapon. Over the past two years, Peterson says he's marched in Capitol Hill's Pride Parade with his handgun in plain view. At the first parade, he was followed all day by Seattle police officers. Since then he's been left alone, but having police question him elsewhere is nothing new. In 2007, Peterson was stopped aboard a Washington State Ferry. A crewman saw he was packing and called the State Patrol to deal with him. Peterson de-escalated the situation by complying with the trooper. Ultimately, Peterson was in the right: He says he was later told by the trooper that it is legal to open-carry on ferries. Despite this, local law enforcement will still stop gun owners who open-carry, particularly when panicked citizens call the cops when they see someone with a gun. "Obviously someone carrying an open handgun in an urban environment is a concern to us. It is very unusual for us to find someone carrying open," says Sgt. John Urquhart, spokesperson for the King County Sheriff's Office. "Any call we get about a person carrying a handgun openly, deputies will contact that person and, depending on circumstances, may or may not take the gun away for safety reasons." Urquhart cites RCW 9.41.270, which states: "It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm...in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons." Ultimately it comes down to an officer's judgment. During last month's antitax Tea Party Protest at Seattle's Westlake Park, at least two men were open-carrying in the crowd. There were well over two dozen Seattle cops on the scene, and they didn't look twice at the duo. In fact one of them, Jim Beal, a Vietnam War veteran from SeaTac, posed for pictures standing in front of the police and posted them at OpenCarry.org, the movement's official Web site. Not everyone is happy at the thought of folks walking around packing heat. "It is legal, so they are free to do that if that's what they want to do," concedes Kristen Comer, Executive Director of Washington CeaseFire. "The question to ask is whether or not their fellow community members want them engaging in that behavior. They [open-carriers] may feel safe knowing how to handle a handgun. [But] a lot of people in the community see them carrying a gun and don't." Dave Workman, an editor at Gun Week magazine and author of the book Washington State Gun Rights and Responsibilities, says that there are many folks within the gun-rights community who feel that open-carriers are a political liability. "The movement itself is a small segment of the gun-rights community. And some of them can be in your face about it," Workman says, adding that there needs to be an education effort to explain that open-carrying is a legal practice and that people shouldn't be alarmed. "If a person is walking down the street with a gun on his hip, going about his business, that's not a crime." Nationally, the Open Carry movement was organized by a pair of law-school students, John Pierce and Mike Stollenwerk, who live in Virginia. Using the slogan "A right unexercised is a right lost," the duo began organizing open-carriers in the Old Dominion State before expanding nationally. OpenCarry.org provides a forum for members to discuss pertinent legislation and legal cases, gun safety, and where you can and can't carry, as well as more esoteric topics such as gun, ammo, and holster preferences. "Open Carry has been growing since 2004," Stollenwerk explains. "People increasingly see it as a valuable right that augments their concealed rights." Stollenwerk says the movement has attracted people of different political stripes. Success has followed, as several states have solidified the concept of Open Carry as a right. The latest victory came last month, when Wisconsin's Attorney General reversed rules prohibiting the practice. And in 2006 the Ohio legislature passed a bill pre-empting open-carry bans in individual localities, overriding a gubernatorial veto in the process. In California, Open Carry is allowed only in rural areas, and the movement is trying to garner public support to legalize Open Carry in states like Oklahoma, one of six—with Texas, New York, Arkansas, Florida, and South Carolina—where the practice is banned. It's difficult to gauge just how many people open-carry. Stollenwerk says his Web site has 18,000 registered members. Last summer, 400 open-carriers attended a picnic in Kitsap County, the movement's largest gathering in the state. Locally, Washington Open Carry holds informal meetings at Dino's Greek and Italian Restaurant in Burien. The owner has a sign on the door reminding customers that lawful weapon carry is permitted inside. It's at these get-togethers that Open Carry enthusiasts discuss ways to get the word out about the movement, such as adopting a highway. The local group has been cleaning its stretch of I-5 since last August. Their idea was sparked by a campaign by open-carriers in New Hampshire who picked up trash while patrolling neighborhoods. Starks says that Open Carry groups in Kitsap County and Spokane are considering adopting highways too. Starks says the goal is to help normalize the movement and to show they are good neighbors. Their efforts might be paying off. When filling out the paperwork with WSDOT, office staff didn't bat an eye about volunteers being armed alongside the interstate. Rather, their only concern was that the Adopt-a-Highway sign couldn't have a dot in the OpenCarry.org url. news@seattleweekly.com |
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Due to all the recent press we've been getting the folks over at Litter patrol Headquarters tell me I can no longer use the "Armed" orange sign. I live in Port Orchard and see your group made front page in the Kitsap Sun. I was notified by HQ that you can not use this sign on the highway as it is not a approved traffic control sign. I however, may have a workaround. |
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if its not a real traffic control sign...then what's the problem? the real problem is that it's causing to much attention, and someone made a phone call, who made a phone call to someone else, that didn't like the idea of the DOT supporting us, or advertising armed people on the side of the road doing a normal activity... so a peacefull solution, pick a different color sign.... as long as it doesn't resemble a traffic sign Orange, Green, Blue, etc, it should be fine. But finding a different color sign might be a problem, those types of things are not easy to find.... |
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oh yea, when is our next outing? i would love to come out and meet everyone. |
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FMCDH wrote:trevorthebusdriver wrote:We may have two armed litter patrols in the Puget Sound area soon. Seattle Citizens for 2nd Amendment is looking into adopting a stretch of I-5.... any more news on this? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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The first post in this thread has all the info: Date, time & place to meet: Time: 10AM Date: June 14th, 2009 Meet At: Large Parking lot just north of 20th Ave & Industrial Drive (see map). |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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dac844 wrote: if its not a real traffic control sign...then what's the problem? Oh it's easier than you think. For the low cost of $92 plus shipping I can get it in orange or yellow, however if the sign is attached to a vehicle then it is not a road sign, its advertising.... |
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That's great to hear, so either put the orange one on the back of someones truck, which might be a good idea anyway, just in case someone run's off the road. Something else to run into before they get to us. or get an yellow one. i don't know what my schedule is like for the 14th, but most likely i'll see you guys there. |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote:however if the sign is attached to a vehicle then it is not a road sign, its advertising.... Which is what? A 15$ fine IF you're cited? |
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Does any other Litter patrol use any similar signs? If so this just a case of discrimination. Plus they had no problem with it until people complained about the wording? Hmmmm. Wackos. OH well, you found a way around it. Good luck. I wish I can make it but been real busy this month. |
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TechnoWeenie wrote: M1Gunr wrote: No idea if they would fine me but they did want the sign back. I told them it was vinyl lettering so there was no need to replace it. I have a backup sign to use on the road and the other will be fitted to the vehicle. I'm looking into getting a 3 foot yellow sign just so its a bit different and fits on the vehicle better. Will this sign be at every OCDO outdoor event? You betcha! |
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Ok, I am not going to be able to make this event on June 14th. If anyone wants to run it let me know so I can get you the forms and equipment needed. If I don't hear anything by Friday I will cancel this month's pickup. ( m1gunr at gmail dot com ) |
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Date, time & place to meet: Time: CANCELLED Date: CANCELLED FOR JUNE No one got back with me, so the June event is cancelled |
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seattleric007 Regular Member 
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I should have checked the site sooner. I would be glad to host the litter pick up for tomarrow. I can come to you to pick up the stuff. Call me if this flies Eric. |
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should do something like that in seattle. in honor of mayor nickels and dime |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Ok, I'm looking at getting a Tshirt order together anyone interested?? I'm in the process of finding a print shop. July pick dates have been updated in the first post ( July 13/14th )   Last edited on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 11:00 pm by M1Gunr |
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The truck sign is now ready...  |
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I like I like it alot. |
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seattleric007 Regular Member
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Are we meeting this Sunday to clean the Highway? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Sunday July 12th at 10 am. See the 1st post in this thread for info and directions. PM me for my cell if needed. |
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anyone show up? pictures? is it north and southbound lanes and center divde? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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anyone show up? pictures? is it north and southbound lanes and center divde? Jarhead, Seattle Eric & myself showed up. I decided to cancel the pick due to lack of members and the approaching thunder/lightening storm. We went to the Poodle dog and had breakfast and got to know one another. In the first post of the adopt a highway thread is all the info about the program and areas of responsibility. Location: (Tacoma / Fife area) mile post 135.5 to 137.5 North Bound I-5 from the Puyallup River bridge to the exit at 54th Ave in Fife. Next Pick Date, Time & Place to meet: Time: 10 AM Date: Aug 9th Meet At: Large Parking lot just north of 20th Ave & Industrial Drive (see map in first post) |
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so is it the exit side only lanes for northbound traffic? is pretty vague on exact area . include the center divide? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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the road is divided into 3 sections - northbound, southbound & center divider. Volunteer groups can only do the north & south sections. The entire center divider is taken care of by a licensed and bonded company paid by groups and business to have their logos on the AAH signs. |
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I live in Fife and you can count me in also. |
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Manu Regular Member
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I am wondering why this thread is not in sticky area. It has started drifting away |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Manu wrote: I am wondering why this thread is not in sticky area. It has started drifting away +1 This definitely deserves to be "stickied". BTW - I might even be able to attend the one on the 9th. Keep your fingers crossed. |
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kendra Regular Member
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Myself and compmanio365 are planning to attend. |
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Total number of attendees: 2. Due to that, and the light rain that was falling, the pick was canceled. |
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Date, time & place to meet: Time: 10 AM Date: Sept 13th Meet At: Large Parking lot just north of 20th Ave & Industrial Drive (see the map in the first post). |
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any firearms found along the bridge from tacoma within tossing distance from I5. finders keeper? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Boo Boo wrote: any firearms found along the bridge from tacoma within tossing distance from I5. finders keeper? After they pass the mandatory stolen weapons check, I don't see why not. I was told anything we found that could be recycled, the proceeds belonged to us if we so chose. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Litter Cleanup for Sept 13th has been canceled due to shoulder work construction. See everyone at the Guns & Buns Picnic at Flaming Geyser Park. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/30513.html |
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Commodore76 Regular Member 
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Dear Sir, Is this still going on? If so, I'll try to get a carpool together from my area to participate. Thank you for what you have done here! Respectfully, Commodore |
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Commodore76 wrote: Dear Sir, The center divider through Fife is in the process of being changed into HOV lanes. Most of the shoulder on our side has been fenced off and at times have equipment stored on them. With that said Oct 11th will be the next pick date and I hope to see lots of folks there. |
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Commodore76 Regular Member
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I'll spread the word as best I can. Thanks for the quick reply! |
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kwiebe Regular Member 
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Where did the location of our stretch of roadway wind up? I read the thread and it looks like it started out in one place but then moved to a different place because Brown Bear already had the original place. Also, did a permanent sign ever get installed by the state, and where is it? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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kwiebe wrote: Where did the location of our stretch of roadway wind up? I read the thread and it looks like it started out in one place but then moved to a different place because Brown Bear already had the original place. Please read the first thread on page one- it has all the info you ask. |
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M1Gunr wrote: kwiebe wrote:Where did the location of our stretch of roadway wind up? I read the thread and it looks like it started out in one place but then moved to a different place because Brown Bear already had the original place. Thanks, I'll take your reply to mean that the site never got moved. But I don't see anything in the first post about the sign location. I guess you can tell me to read the post again because I must have missed it. But if I did miss it, can you please help me find it? I guess I must be blind... |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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The sign is mounted on the right shoulder on the North bound lanes of I-5 just after you cross the Puyallup river bridge. (Mile post 135.5) |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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80 people showed up for the river cleanup and I have a hard time getting 5 to show up for a program that many wanted to be involved in. If things don't pick up soon (no pun) I'm going to drop the program.
Volunteers make clean-up effort More than a ton of garbage and debris was removed from the lower portion of the Puyallup River during a work party sponsored Oct. 3 by Sportsmen for the Preservation of our Rivers and Streams - a local angler organization. The group's achievement went beyond expectations, said WDFW's Sgt. Ted Jackson, who participated in the event. "It's no secret that the Puyallup and other rivers have suffered this year with garbage and gear left behind by some anglers fishing these waters," Jackson said. "During the clean-up, volunteers found plenty of other garbage as well. It's encouraging when folks step forward and do an outstanding job to clean up these areas, which are so important to the health of our fish and wildlife." Rosendo Guerrero, a longtime angler and founder of the new preservation group, organized the work party, recruiting approximately 80 volunteers to assist in the clean-up. Volunteers included local anglers, People for Puget Sound, a City of Puyallup work crew, a City of Puyallup council member, WDFW enforcement officers and community members. |
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Commodore76 Regular Member
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Ok, barring a natural disaster... Me + 2 will be there bright and smiling! Ok, bright and smiling are not guaranteed. See ya round 10! Respectfully, Commodore |
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Just signed up for the site. Very interesed in the litter pick up along I-5, or other community service with the group. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Bill, I PROMISE to be there this time. NOTHING but death will keep me from attending. Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 10:27 pm by Bookman |
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If anyone from the Vancouver/SW Wa area wants to ride up with me or vice-versa, send me a PM. I have room for up to 3 others. I will probably be leaving about 7'ish from the Orchards area of Vancouver and was thinking about getting a bite to eat afterwards, although my travel plans are somewhat negotiable. Gary |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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On my way.. running a bit late |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Good turnout today 22 bags of trash picked up. Completed the process in about 2.5 hrs. Thanks to all that showed up. |
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Commodore76 Regular Member
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PoppaGary wrote: If anyone from the Vancouver/SW Wa area wants to ride up with me or vice-versa, send me a PM. I have room for up to 3 others. DAMMIT!!! I should have checked this thread this morning!!! Don't I feel like an a$$hole. Sorry everyone. This will not happen again. |
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