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Leabo Regular Member
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Brand new to the forum and think it's great. Unfortunately I just went for my Gun liscence in NY and am very unhappy with the NY State carry laws. I'm an Ex-Police officer with the NYPD for 4 years ( I quit because of the money). And although I had the ability to carry for 4 years, the NY state gun laws state that I am now only entitled to a target permit. It just doesn't seem right. Especially since I locked up a lot of bad people that could be potentially dangerous to me and my family. I had Edelmans Gun service do the paperwork for my Traget permit but according to them to get a concealed carry I would need to operate a cash business with Bank deposits over $2000 a week. Does anyone know if there is anyway around this for Ex Police officers? This just does not seem to make any sense. |
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Statkowski Regular Member 
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Welcome aboard. Now you know what ordinary people have to put up with. Of course, in your case it's even more galling because you were permitted to cross over to the other side. Come to Pennsylvania. We don't have those problems. Of course, you could always write to your elected representative in Albany. |
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JimmyD8681 Regular Member 
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Welcome to the forum. You may want to do what many of us have done.... Florida is a great state but Vermont is closer... |
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Carolina40 Regular Member
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I said BYE BYE to NY 4 years ago -- too many liberals, taxes too high, too congested, etc. Are you on LI? The permit application had to be TYPED - yes, please tell me if there are any more typewriters out there.... Never looked back.  |
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cyberdogg Opt-Out Member
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Sorry to hear what you're going through, Leabo. You reside in one of the buroughs of NYC, right? I don't think I can post a link that constitute commercialism, but if you'd like to remedy the situation with a sympathetic judge who may issue the order directing NYPD to issue you an "unrestricted" permit (which the rich, famous and politically connected gain with ease), I suggest googling the following keywords "pistol permit attorney nyc" and be sure to call to talk to a paralegal first to explain your problem with NYC authorities. If they take the case, you would have to invest $$ in appeal, litigation and attorney fees, of course. We have your back in sympathy. NYC is a seriously messed up place where the snooty elitists think their lives are so valuable that they protect themselves with bodyguards and own firearms while hypocritically denouncing gun ownership rights to impose draconian gun control, condemning 2nd Amendment that grants "right to keep and bear arms". |
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DT4E31 Regular Member 
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My first thought is why would you pay Edelman's or any other business to fill out your pistol permit for you? It's basically fill in the blanks. Other than that, anyone who grew up in the city or surrounding area, should have realized at some point that the media and goverment is vehemently anti gun, has hyped its anti gun agenda/propaganda and the notion of CCW is just not permissable. Because the state and city of New York know what's best for you.  Oh, if your looking for away around your predicament, rejoin the nypd or just get used to going without. Thank a NY politician |
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mhannay Regular Member
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It's not just a NYC or downstate issue...we live on a 50 acre farm southwest of Albany... My wife & I are current NYS Pistol Permit holders with restrictions to "hunting & target shooting". The pistol permit instructor told us to fill in our application for “hunting & target shooting” so they would be approved because if we applied for “carry/concealed” they would most likely be denied. He stated we could apply for an amendment to remove the restriction later. Since it has been 4 years of having our pistol permits, we most recently applied for amendments to remove the restrictions to "carry concealed" and were notified via letter by Judge Joseph C Teresi (Democrat) that our applications were denied. He stated that the restrictions don't infringe upon our 2nd amendment rights, that we have insufficient training (he has no idea of what training we have) to carry or use a concealed permit for personal protection and "in an exercise of his discretion, he does not find there exists proper cause to issue a carry/concealed pistol permit". He references two cases: O'Brien v. Keegan, 87 NY2d 436 (1996) and Bando v. Sullivan, 290 AD2d 691 (3rd Dept 2002) for his justification. It's interesting to read these two cases... Frustrated in Upstate NY.. |
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Statkowski Regular Member
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Forward everything to your state representative. Ask him or her to explain why you and your wife are prohibited from being able to defend yourselves. Last edited on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 07:15 pm by Statkowski |
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mjf Regular Member 
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You still live in NYC? Hmm, sort of surprised they don't let former LEO's carry there... Did you only speak to a clerk or did you actually talk with a "higher up"? I guess you could always try to fight it in court too, but that would cost a good bit of money. |
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chiefdave1010 Regular Member
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I DONT NOW I HAVE A FULL CARRY CONCELLED UN RESTRICTED THAT I GOT AFTER I APPLIED 1 WEEK AFTER I GOT MY PERMIT IN SCHENECTADY CO EVEN THE CITY POLICE CANT BELIEVE IT WHEN I SHOW IT TO THEM WHAT SUCKS IS WHEN I GET PULLED OVER EITHER BY THE LOVELY NYSP OR SCHDY CO SHERIFFS OFFICE IF I TELL THEM I DO HAVE A GUN ON MY POSSITION I GET TREATED LIKE A WANTED FELONSIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP OUT OF CAR PATTED DOWN MADE TO GO TO REAR OF CAR HANDS ON TRUNK WHOLE 9 YARDS I ALSO WENT TO NEW HAMPSHIRE AND GOT A NON RESIDIENT CONCELLED PISTOL PERMIT COST 20.00 I CANT WAIT TO GET OUT OF THIS HIGH TAXED STATE |
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Statkowski Regular Member
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A. Don't use all capital letters. It's considered the Internet equivalent of yelling, and is rude. b. Are you required in New York State to inform the police that you're carrying a firearm? If you're not required, then ignore the question. If you are required, include your firearms license when you hand over your driver's license. |
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chiefdave1010 Regular Member
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a. sorry about the caps b.i dont think you have to tell them but if you dont and thay see it the whole show starts |
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Statkowski Regular Member
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Again, if there's no need to notify (and you do have to check this out), then, unless the concealed firearm has something to do with the police stop, don't tell them. From what you said, the end result is going to be a felony stop if you either a) tell them, or b) don't tell them and they see the firearm. If you don't tell them and they don't see the firearm, then it's less hassle for you. Again, check out New York law to see if notification is required. If it is, then include your firearms license with your driver's license. Of course, you could always drive a little bit better to avoid getting pulled over for one thing or another, but that's a personal decision on your part. Me? I'd rather not pay traffic tickets. Move a little bit south to Pennsylvania. No notification requirement, open carry is legal, no hoops to jump through to get a firearms license, the license costs far less than what it does in New York, and there's no registration of firearms at all. |
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Leabo Regular Member
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Thanks for all the replies. Looks like I'll just have to settle with a Target Permit. I guess I could have saved some money by doing the paperwork myself instead of Edelman's. Thought I might get it a little quicker by having them do it. At least they throw in free range use for 4 ranges for the first year. What ranges do most people on this board who live in Nassau or Suffolk use? Calverton? Any 24 hour ranges? |
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chiefdave1010 Regular Member
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i do have a full carry unrestricted ccw permit in schenectady co which is very uncomin in schdy co even police officers say it is hard to get so now i carry all the time every place i goexcept when i go to the kids school |
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WheelGun Regular Member 
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Leabo wrote: I guess I could have saved some money by doing the paperwork myself instead of Edelman's. Thought I might get it a little quicker by having them do it. At least they throw in free range use for 4 ranges for the first year. There's an indoor rifle/pistol range in an industrial park just south of Wyandanch on the north side of the Southern State Parkway between Wellwood and Straight Path and (I think) route 109. I think its called Old Bethpage Gun Club, but its not in Old Bethpage. It backs up to the old garbage dump and there's a porno store across the street. They have a credit card entry and you can go there most any hours. However, I'm sure the Suffolk PD is wise to people who CCW on a 'to and from the range only' permit and have the range key and bullets and earmuffs in the trunk just in case they have to 'go to the range' on really short notice. (such as in the middle of a LEO encounter) |
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DT4E31 Regular Member
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FYI That must be a new range. I patrolled that area for many years, handled a few robbery calls at that adult store. The local sector guys dont have problems with legal gun owners. Especially in that neighborhood.  |
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WheelGun Regular Member
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No, the range has been there for years. A small, very plain looking building with no signs, easy to miss because its all indoors and only a few peole go there at a time. Many people in the area have no idea about the range even though they know everything else about the area. I just went to Google Maps and its located on Kean Street off Edison Ave. (between Straight Path and Welwood. Across from the porn store. No I never went to the porn store. As an EMT, I worked with many public safety professionals for many years. All the conversations I have ever had with police officers in Suffolk were 110% favorable, and all privately went against the official BS of the department. However the rules are the rules and I got out of Suffolk County, Long Island with my family and my guns and I could not be happier way upstate NY in the boonies. I've heard of Neuvo-Rich and Neo-Conserviative I guess I'm a Neo-Redneck and I love it. Last edited on Thu Oct 9th, 2008 05:06 pm by WheelGun |
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High Caliber LLC Regular Member
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Food for thought for those who would prohibit guns because they [guns] are “bad,” or “evil” and “ordinary” people should not have guns. High Caliber LLC, Louisiana *************************************************************************** “Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women?” by Martin Luther |
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emsjeep Regular Member
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I just don't understand how I have more rights in most of the US with PA, NH, and UT permits than I do in my home town, or state for that matter. Totally FUBAR Last edited on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 07:20 am by emsjeep |
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High Caliber LLC Regular Member
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YOUR SITUATION WILL NOT CHANGE UNTIL YOU AND OTHER VOTERS EDUCATE YOUR CITIZENS ON RIGHTS VS PRIVILEGE [RIGHTS: ARE NOT "GRANTED" BY ANYONE -READ OUR U.S. CONSITUTION - PRIVILEGE: ACITIVITIES "GRANTED" TO YOU BY OTHERS.] THEN YOU AND THE VOTERS VOTE THE 'OLD GUARD' OUT AND CHANGE YOUR SITUATION. THIS USUALLY STARTS FROM ONE - YOU MAY BE THE ONE, TRY IT - YOU MAY LIKE IT!! |
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DT4E31 Regular Member
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...............preaching to the choir................. |
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DT4E31 Regular Member
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...............preaching to the choir................. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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DT4E31 wrote: ...............preaching to the choir................. Yes but sometimes people need to vent! Fight them through the courts but most of all fight them with ballots! Meanwhile organize , plan and act where and when you can. Yata hey |
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BrianSchenectady Regular Member
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I am in the same boat. if you dont mind me asking- what did you say in your letter? Thank you, Brian |
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BrianSchenectady Regular Member
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New to the post so I am sorry how the last question was asked. I recently received my pistol permit in schenectady county. Everyone there was great along the way. When I picked up the permit I noticed I had the restriction of target and hunting on it. When I applied for it I asked for the concealed carry. She told me to draw up a letter for the judge to have my permit amended and bring it back to her. My question is: What do they (judge) want to hear? Any samples out there? Thanks in advance Brian |
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emsjeep Regular Member
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Training, experiance and good cause is what they want to hear, even then though, who knows....noting is assured. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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BrianSchenectady wrote: New to the post so I am sorry how the last question was asked. I recently received my pistol permit in schenectady county. Everyone there was great along the way. When I picked up the permit I noticed I had the restriction of target and hunting on it. When I applied for it I asked for the concealed carry. She told me to draw up a letter for the judge to have my permit amended and bring it back to her. My question is: What do they (judge) want to hear? Any samples out there? Thanks in advance Brian It would probably help to be his brother.  Yata hey |
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emsjeep Regular Member
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Grapeshot wrote: BrianSchenectady wrote:New to the post so I am sorry how the last question was asked. I recently received my pistol permit in schenectady county. Everyone there was great along the way. When I picked up the permit I noticed I had the restriction of target and hunting on it. When I applied for it I asked for the concealed carry. She told me to draw up a letter for the judge to have my permit amended and bring it back to her. My question is: What do they (judge) want to hear? Any samples out there? Thanks in advance Brian Or pretty with a short skirt and adventurous personality. |
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unarmed in westchester Regular Member 
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Haha, love the replies. Brian, glad to hear you had a decent pistol permit application process a bit upstate. I was pretty much laughed at when i originally applied for full carry & was strongly advised to change my application to target/hunting. I was told that my reasoning (personal protection) was not good enough. I knew it wouldnt be good enough for them, but it was a good enough reason for me! I was pissed and wanted to follow through with my full carry application and get my day in court with a judge and let him/her tell me why i shouldnt be allow to protect myself and loved ones. However, i know how things go around here and knew id be out of the $$$ i forked out during the process, be back to square one and make a bad name for myself. Yes, knowing a judge would most definately help, but thats even a stretch. Brian, as others have stated, they want to know you're training, experience and good reasoning. However, whatever you have in those lines may be great, but still not good enough for them to grant you full carry. emsjeep...not so true lol. When my fiancee went to hand in her paperwork, she dressed nice (sexy enough, but not provocative  ) and still didnt get any breaks! In fact, she is still waiting to receive her permit 4 or so months later. |
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nakedshoplifter Regular Member 
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eabo wrote: Does anyone know if there is anyway around this for Ex Police officers? Don't take my comment as an attack on you personally, but the idea/attitude that being a cop or an ex-cop bestows special privileges upon you is wrong. LEO's have no more right to defend their lives than I do. If you as an ex-cop deserve the privilege to CC then so do all the rest of the law abiding citizens of your state. There is actually a term for government elites who believe they have some sort of special powers that make them better equiped to carry firearms, they are called "Only Ones". This term was started after Lee Paige famously said (before blasting his foot off in front of school children): Okay…I'm the only one in this room, that I know of, professional enough to carry this Glock 40. I'm the only one… http://www.vaguninfo.com/videos/deaschool.htm |
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markand Regular Member 
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A federal law passed in 2004, known as HR218 for the House bill number where the law originated, allows active and retired law enforcement officers, under some circumstances, to apply for what is effectively a nationwide concealed carry permit. It is valid as a concealed carry permit in ALL states, but many state and local regulations, like those concerning possession of hollowpoint ammunition apply. Unfortunately, you probably don't meet the conditions to apply. You have to be an active or retired LEO. You only served with NYPD for 4 years and probably didn't "retire". Check out http://www.njlawman.com/Feature%20Pieces/HR%20218.htm or use any Internet search engine with the keyword "HR218" and you'll get all kinds of hits. Some feel LEO's should be treated no different than any ordinary citizen, and frankly I agree, but HR218 was seen by many as a "foot in the door" to wider concealed carry legislation. We'll see. |
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SGT Jensen State Researcher 
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Leabo wrote:Looks like I'll just have to settle with a Target Permit. This is what the government is counting on. That the gun owner will settle for "just good enough". Then they will whittle away some more of your rights, and you will say, "Oh, looks like I will have to settle with a disassembled flintlock under seven locking systems." If you want your rights restored in your state, you need to be proactive. As dismal as it might sound, you and your fellow New York gun owners need to be heard. Others have mentioned moving to a more gun friendly state. I propose we make this a gun friendly nation, so movement is not required. Why let the liberals take over? We need to take this nation back. Whether we want to admit it or not, gun owners are in for a rough 4-8 + years. We can not sit back and "settle" while the democrats that control the nation erode away our rights. And it's not just the second amendment they are targeting, it is freedom as we know it. |
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jnxnyc Regular Member
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I just registered on this site because I needed to reply to this thread. I am a NYC resident who is NOT active OR retired LEO. I just wanted to let you guys know that it is not impossible.......(almost though) I am a licensed Unrestricted Concealed Carry Permit holder. NO, I do not have any "connections" No, I didn't make any bribes, No I didn't sell my kid. I was able to get one because of the business that I do. I make daily cash deposits of $5K - $15K a day. I will let you know though it WAS NOT EASY. 1PP licensing division put me through hell. 9 months, at least 12 trips (lost count) and all of this is where parking is impossible and the parking lots charge around $20 per hour. So if you do the math it took quite a bit of $$ to get things done. The aggravation of them telling me "oh you need to bring a document that seems to be missing from your business portfolio." and then after I bring it they say, " oh it needs to be the original, come back with it next time." After a few of those excuses I would bring both the original AND copy. I was then told I would need to come in during their operation hours, Mon - Thurs. 10 AM - 2 PM. ( I think that was it.) After a few months of me calling and going to them.......I beat them in playing their games. When I went to pick up the license I was told I needed to bring my paperwork and told to wait ( about 3 hours at $ 20 per hour for parking) I was told I was to be issued a RESTRICTED CCW Permit........ WTF!!! I asked to speak to the investigator handling my case and was told she was on her lunch break. ( even though I could see her at her desk BS'ing with the other fat idiots there) I asked to speak to the supervisor and was told to see the LT. As soon as I walked to his office I was still flush with anger but had the cool head to remind myself, "this is the guy who has the final say so , so don't F things up" I spoke in a respectful and calm tone and explained the whole situation of 9 months and the numerous trips back and forth and the expenses I incurred. I was done speaking and waited for a reply, but none was given to me immediately. he looked past me and called out the secretary? and he hollered to bring him my file and saw him reaching for a stamp. I thought to myself, " OH DAMN! I messed it up and he is going to put a big fat DENIED stamp  Then I could see the letters"UNRESTRICTED" NOW comes the F'ed up part again. i was told that after I make my purchase I had to bring it back to 1PP to have it "inspected"  and that the inspection hours are only done on wed and thurs, 12 - 2 PM (if I can remember)I could not believe that I was finally approved. I waited another hour before I got my permit in my hand. I couldn't believe it, I just kept looking at it, then away, then looking at it again to make sure it read unrestricted.  lets just say, I left 1 PP as fast as I could before they take it back. I then rushed to my gun shop in Brooklyn, which was about 20 minutes away from 1PP. I only had about 1 and a half hours before the inspection time ended so I had to get this done or I would have to go back again the next week! FFFF THAT!!! lets just say i am a law abiding citizen but I am admitting that I broke a few traffic laws that day.  I get the gun and then I was told that I needed a lock on the case before I bring it in to 1PP for inspection. I put it into my backpack and searched for the nearest CVS and bought any one I could find. Popped it on the case and rushed back ( I only had about 30 minutes before the inspection time ends) I made it back PP in 10...................Parked it, RAN to the security station before they searched me for any weapons (hehehe) and I showed them my purchase receipt and letter of authorization from the licensing division and was waved through. I made it back to the inspection room with about 5 minutes to spare. Soon a some Det. comes out and looks at it, still in the box and just compares serial numbers and says we're done. WOHOOWHHOOOWOOOHOOOO!!!!!!I have more to write about but my kid is killing me by trying to press the keys on this keyboardso I will post again next time. |
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Statkowski Regular Member
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And in Pennsylvania I made one trip to the County Sheriff's office, filled out a one-page application, plopped down $42, and had my picture taken. Some 40 days later my license arrived in a Plain-Jane envelope, no letter or "guidance" included. When I went to purchase my handgun (totally unrelated to the preceding paragraph), I went to the store, told the person what I wanted, filled out a one-page State document, plopped down the cash, and walked out the door with my handgun in its factory-supplied cardboard box. I used to be a Subject, but now I'm a Citizen. |
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Aran Banned
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Unfortunately, I had to make about three trips to the Sheriff's office because they didn't like my references. Laws? Who needs laws? They just get in the way of doing whatever you want! |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Aran wrote: Unfortunately, I had to make about three trips to the Sheriff's office because they didn't like my references. Didn't like your references ?? Where does it say that the Sheriff has the priviledge of deciding which or whose references he likes? I'm not as familiar with the laws in Pa. but in Va. I would demand the approval or rejection of my application and request an Ore Tenus hearing if the permit were not approved in a timely fashion. Yata hey |
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Ctgunfun Regular Member
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Wow its so funny To be reading this, All this BS for NYS to keep people from carrying pistols and I am watching the news and the only place in the whole country to have death from trampling during the black friday shopping rush was LI. I guess you wont be able to shop next year either.LOL maybe if people were worried someone might be carrying a gun they wouldnt have trampled that poor person. |
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stormy Regular Member
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For those of you NYS permit holders with a "Hunting & Target Only" endorsement, place some paper targets in your vehicle and leave them there and get yourself a "small game hunting license". I am not current on the hunting laws but I know at one time you could hunt racoon 24 hours a day, 365 days a year with a pistol in most counties. If you are ever stopped by the police, tell them you are going to or coming from target shooting or hunting. |
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jnxnyc Regular Member
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stormy wrote: For those of you NYS permit holders with a "Hunting & Target Only" endorsement, place some paper targets in your vehicle and leave them there and get yourself a "small game hunting license". I am not current on the hunting laws but I know at one time you could hunt racoon 24 hours a day, 365 days a year with a pistol in most counties. If you are ever stopped by the police, tell them you are going to or coming from target shooting or hunting. This could get you into trouble if you get pulled over and questioned at 2- 3 AM in the morning and you say you are coming from target shooting (in NYC) at a range. They can and most likely will ask what club you belong to and a contact phone number. If they find your club is never opened at those hours you can end up being all over the news if Bloomberg hears about it. An exception is a few clubs in NYC and Long Island are "key clubs" where a member is allowed 24 access to his/her club. They are rare and VERY expensive. I have heard a few being in the $300 - $400 annual due range and an initial application fee of $300. Ridiculous!  |
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redlegagent Regular Member 
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That's kind of a loose loop hole to be sure. Just remember, NYS penal law 400.00 doesn't specifically state that the restriction is part of the law. Previous challenges resulted in the state supreme court to uphold the basic tenat that the issuer has the right to place "reasonable restrictions" upon the permit. According to the state police web site, if in violation of the restriction, you cannot be charged with a crime as you haven't violated 400.00 guidelines. You can however, be reported to your issuing authority who can then recind the permit if they are so inclinded. |
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jnxnyc Regular Member
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My comment was directed at NYC not the state. Bloomberg just sees that anyone who has a gun (besides LEO) is up to no good. At the time during Giuliani's rule people thought it was bad but now looking back it wasn't so bad back then. Hopefully this rich A hole doesn't buy the election, even though he bought his option to run for a third term. |
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thirdnostril Regular Member
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It's funny that I'm hearing all these self-serving comments about liberals and Democrats "eroding your rights." Ever hear of Posse Comitatus? Ever hear of the FISA Court? If you could pull the blinders off for a moment, you'd see the Republican'ts are far, far worse at "eroding rights." Or is your right to a gun the only right you care about? |
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Prophet Regular Member 
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Well...when it comes down to it...the second amendment is the only one that guarantees all the others. So if i had to pick one to protect it would be that one. |
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thirdnostril Regular Member
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So a shootout was preferable to you? |
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thirdnostril Regular Member
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Really? You don't think it's the First amendment that protects all others? After all, without the First, this blog wouldn't be. Possibly. |
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Prophet Regular Member
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thirdnostril wrote:Really? You don't think it's the First amendment that protects all others? Ever hear of tieniman square? Moscow Purge Trials? The shutting down of newspapers under Nazi Germany? The first doesn't protect itself, the second protects the first. This blog exists because when it comes down to it, the oppression of the government can go only so far before the citizens of the country take up arms and defend themselves. Now, you can have all the drum circles and peace parades you want, but when it comes down to it those are quickly dispersed under the use of arms. Now, ghandi did it without arms, but he was gaining rights he never had so he really didn't have an option. To protect rights that are god given you must utilize the tools god gives you. |
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carryall Regular Member 
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It is amazing to sit back and read the situations different folks face in the several states. Having moved from zoo jersey to the Independent Republic, the dictatorial ways of the liberal north have happily been lost to me. Last gun I bought was for my wife. It took less than 3 minutes to process the transaction, including paying for it. In SC I can carry concealed, in the glove box, fully loaded, etc. I will admit that SC does not yet allow open carry, but I have to prove to no one any need or otherwise to purchase and carry a firearm to use as I see fit. The South Will Rise Again! |
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Statkowski Regular Member
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And my most recent gun was bought by my sons as a Christmas present for me. My name's nowhere on the state's sales database. Can't carry in my car without a license, but I can open carry anywhere, even at our local town council meetings (and have done so) without fear of arrest. One of these days New York will wake up, but it'll be long after I'm gone. |
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tripl Regular Member
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Hi everyone...just registered today because i wanted to post some of my experiences on this subject. I'm a NYC resident and I sent in a Purchase Authorization Request to add a handgun onto my existing license (Restricted - Residence Premise ) back on 12/17/08. I got my first gun back in 1994 and the story by jnxnyc brought me right back there! It was time consuming, expensive and of course it was a hassle.Anyway, it usually takes 45 days to receive an approval or denial in writing. I called three times to check my status after day 45 and was told each time that they were backlogged. I remained patient and optimistic. Besides, you can't fight 1 Police Plaza! Today I received a letter dated 3/17/09 which states that I've been approved to receive an official purchase authorization form!?!?!?!? I forgot about this part of the process or maybe it's a new time waster created since 1994.The deal is that I've got to appear at 1 PP with this letter and my existing license within 30 days so they can look into my soul or whatever before they give me an official form (PD-643-053). They really do try to inconvenience you into changing your mind or into giving them any excuse to deny you of your request. I expect to be there one minute after the "approved time to appear" begins and I am planning on spending quite some time there remaining very patient all the while. Due to some of my business duties, I will ask them about converting my licence to unrestricted CCL but I don't expect to get very far on that one. (unless I get the LT from jnxnyc experience who will stamp my license unrestricted...because I'm one of the good guys!!! I would wait all day standing at full attention if that were ever to happen in order to get that hard copy in my hand. I can dream, can't I?)  Oh yeah I do belong to a "key club" pistol range with 24 hour access already but I'd obviously prefer to "earn" an unrestricted CCL from NYC. Anyway, I look forward to some more red tape but I will be as persistent as I need to be. Good luck to all and remember to be careful at all times. T Last edited on Fri Mar 20th, 2009 09:17 pm by tripl |
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GLOCKMAN40 Regular Member 
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chiefdave1010 wrote: I DONT NOW I HAVE A FULL CARRY CONCELLED UN RESTRICTED THAT I GOT AFTER I APPLIED 1 WEEK AFTER I GOT MY PERMIT IN SCHENECTADY CO EVEN THE CITY POLICE CANT BELIEVE IT WHEN I SHOW IT TO THEM WHAT SUCKS IS WHEN I GET PULLED OVER EITHER BY THE LOVELY NYSP OR SCHDY CO SHERIFFS OFFICE IF I TELL THEM I DO HAVE A GUN ON MY POSSITION I GET TREATED LIKE A WANTED FELONSIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP OUT OF CAR PATTED DOWN MADE TO GO TO REAR OF CAR HANDS ON TRUNK WHOLE 9 YARDS I ALSO WENT TO NEW HAMPSHIRE AND GOT A NON RESIDIENT CONCELLED PISTOL PERMIT COST 20.00 I CANT WAIT TO GET OUT OF THIS HIGH TAXED STATE COME ON DOWN TO " INDIANA " WHERE WE CAN CARRY ANY WAY WE WANT WITH OUR LTCH, "LICENSE TO CARRY HANDGUN STATE OF INDIANA " ITS A BEAUTIFUL THING, note : I was born and raised there, lived there until 1982 ,went to THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL , in East New York Brooklyn, lived just around the corner from the school on Georga Ave, and i moved here in 82, went into the Army , and have lived here every since , I love my home town of NEW YORK CITY but hate the laws there , and its because of that and only that ,as to why i would never live there again. Even after 911 which touch my heart deeply, i still would'nt live there. |
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tripl Regular Member
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Glockman40, I live less than 4 miles from Ground Zero and that is one reason that I'll NEVER LEAVE NYC. I comply with all laws for better or worse in this ridiculously liberal city. I will honor those 3000 until death and specifically the 4 great people that I knew as friends. And all of our brave soldiers. I worked all night on 9/13/01 at Fulton and Liberty looking for them as a volunteer responder. Even the search dogs that night seemed stunned and sad as we worked in a teeming deluge of rain. We found no one. President Bush stood on the same rubble the next morning. I'm grumpy. Never forget! T Last edited on Fri Mar 20th, 2009 11:31 pm by tripl |
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GLOCKMAN40 Regular Member
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WOW, Boy did you take things to another level , Let me tell you this my friend, I Love my home town and the people who live there ,ITS NOT BECAUSE OF 9/11 THAT I LEFT NEW YORK CITY,if you know anything about the military then you would know that you go where ever they send you based on you MOS, It is clear to me that you like having your 2A rights stepped on i don't , and will never give into the bull that your NEW YORK CITY law makers have set forth for you to live by , i love having the freedom of exercising my 2A rights as i do here in Indiana, you can'nt do that there nor can you do it in ILLInois, or Wisconsin where they tell you to rely on the police for your protection, I to hurt in my heart over the loss of OVER 3000 People who loss their lives on 9/11 and i hurt aswell see so many soldiers die for our freedom and the people of 9/11 , I've worked with soldiers who have come back from the war, and feel their hurt and pain, so don't you tell me anything about laws in NEW YORK or try to inform me about 9/11 and the war, I've been their done that , its your President Bush you have to blame for it , let me remind you of his reaction to getting the news of the attact while visting that school the morining of ,he never moved from where he was sitting, He looked as if he new it was going to happen, I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO I HAVE SERVER WITH, THE SAME ONES WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THIS COUNTRY AND THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ALL ENJOY, SO TAKE YOUR GRUMPY AZZ BACK UNDER THE ROCK YOU CAME FROM .......... SIGN: "BROOKLYN 9/11 MILITARY MAN" !!!!!!! |
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tripl Regular Member
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Whatever. Last edited on Thu Mar 26th, 2009 04:54 am by tripl |
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Crispy Regular Member
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jnxnyc wrote:
First post. Hello to all the patriots here! I am a Suffolk County resident...east ender. Having been a avid long arm enthusiast since the age of 13... now 37 I have decided I want a hangun. Paperwork, FBI lists, and wait be damned. I have a fire in my belly to exercise my rights to the fullest.(NY`rs have no rights..yaya I know) I have never been arrested and have an honorable discharge from the USMC. All good there. Here comes the fun part. I want that CCW. I plan on starting a precious metals dealer(a second business if that matters) I am going to be carry large sums of cash and gold bullion on my person. No storefront. Face to face in homes or other places of biz. I dont mean to necro-quote. But this thread answered some , but not all my questions. How much cash do I need to be carrying to "qualify"? What is the sheriff going to ask me for? bills of reciepts, does he want to see a wad of bills...etc. Do I need to prove that I have been a dealer for a certain amount of time..etc Any other concerns I should address before moving forward? I would like to get it right the first time. Cheers Chris. |
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BillMCyrus Regular Member 
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It seems to me based on observation that NY's gun owner base needs a lot more organization, motivation, and mobilization. Does NYSRPA have local chapters and meetings? I see no big website that acts as a message board for NY'ers like Calguns.net does for California. |
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TomD Regular Member
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Leabo....I to am a former LEO and originally had a restricted NY State pistol permit. I wrote a letter to the judge, listing all the firearms training I had in eleven years,( State Police, FBI, Basic Academy.etc..), he removed the restrictions. Of course I live way up in the boonies of Washington County on the Vermont border. Big difference then New York City |
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tai4de2 Regular Member
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I grew up in Westchester but left 20+ years ago. When it comes to freedom, I hardly recognize New York as being part of America any more. In Washington State -- one of the most loony leftist places in the country -- it takes exactly one trip to the local police station to get fingerprinted and apply for a CCW permit. If you are a law-abiding citizen, thirty days later, the permit arrives in the mail. They are prohibited by law from refusing to issue it. At that point you can walk into any of the several gun shops nearby (even in Seattle and its suburbs, which are ground zero for the lunacy I mentioned above), buy one (or more!) handguns of your choice, and take them home that very instant. Loaded, in your vehicle, on your person, whatever. One of the ones I bought recently came in a factory case emblazoned with a sticker proclaiming "NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA" -- which I take as a badge of honor. Sorry to rub it in... I just don't think I could ever live back there and I am sorry for you New Yorkers. Last edited on Wed May 6th, 2009 02:29 am by tai4de2 |
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DT4E31 Regular Member
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Crispy wrote:
Well, contact the Sheriffs Office, or if you live outside of the five western towns (Police District) the SCPD Pistol Licensing Bureau for details. I'm gona take a wild guess here, but I doubt your gona get a CCW. |
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hudson valley Regular Member
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BrianSchenectady wrote: New to the post so I am sorry how the last question was asked. I recently received my pistol permit in schenectady county. Everyone there was great along the way. When I picked up the permit I noticed I had the restriction of target and hunting on it. When I applied for it I asked for the concealed carry. She told me to draw up a letter for the judge to have my permit amended and bring it back to her. My question is: What do they (judge) want to hear? Any samples out there? Thanks in advance BrianFirst post....nice to be here...as far as I know, there are TWO kinds of CWP in NY, Concealed and Premise...this is according to the NYSP. The restrictions are put there by judges...for whatever reason. Target restriction? Keep a paper target folded in your wallet and a bag with some ammo, eyes and ears in the trunk....silly but.... |
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Pace Regular Member
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I'm x-law enforcement who doesn't qualify for anything either because of "retirement" laws. I'm now in Nevada... |
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Wilme Regular Member
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I have a cc permit issued by Cattaraugus County, in NYS. I am sure the paper that I got with it, stating the rules, said that I can not carry out of the state or in NYC. Am I reading this right? Wilme |
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DT4E31 Regular Member
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NY does not have reciprocity with any other state, as far as I know. Of course you can open carry it in OC states. |
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DT4E31 Regular Member
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I forgot to mention. NYC does not recognize your NYS permit. Why should they? They know what is best for citizens. |
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Pace Regular Member
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Arizona honors all State Permits, so NYS is allowed. SOme other states honor NYS |
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Wilme Regular Member
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I just looked at my permit which like I said was issued in Cattaraugus County. It says that I have been granted a license to carry pistol. It does not say concealed. so where does that leave me? |
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redlegagent Regular Member
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All NYS pistol permits are considered concealed carry permits as there is no open carry in this state. If your permit does not have "restricted to hunting/target only" or something similar typed or written on it, you have a unrestricted permit i.e. concealed carry so you can concealed carry except for designated areas where it's illegal like federal buildings, schools etc. Just be carful about "printing" and remember that every county enforces differently. Last edited on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 02:24 am by redlegagent |
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WheelGun Regular Member
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That's funny, I pass by OC'ers several times a day here during hunting season. Less OC during other times of the year, but it's often enough not to be a rarity. |
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bella6 Regular Member
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Hello All!! I hail from Long Island and I am new to the site. If you are disappointed with Ny's carry rules then get involved and protect your 2A rights!! If you don't know where to make your voices heard then I can help... If you hail from the downstate NY area then please visit: http://www.LongIslandFirearms.com |
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gutshot Regular Member
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thirdnostril wrote: It's funny that I'm hearing all these self-serving comments about liberals and Democrats "eroding your rights." The FISA Act was passed in 1978 while Dems controlled congress and Jimmy Carter was President. Posse Comitatus protects us from the use of military in civilian law enforcement. Brasenly violated by Bill Clinton at Waco. |
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Pace Regular Member
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Come on, neither party has been pro-gun, ever. They dance around the issues, to get more votes. FYI, the PC Act can be waivered by the President, its in the actual act. Best, Pace |
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gutshot Regular Member
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Pace wrote: Come on, neither party has been pro-gun, ever. They dance around the issues, to get more votes. Neither party is pro-gun enough for me, neither is my wife. The Dems brought us assault weapons ban, large capacity mag ban, Saturday night special bans, sniper rifles ban. The Reps are just the better of two evils, nationally. Here, statewide in KY, all our problems are in the large population areas controlled by Dems., Northern Ky. (Cinn. area), Lexington, and Louisville. Last edited on Thu Sep 24th, 2009 03:53 pm by gutshot |
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Jero1987 Regular Member 
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I personally left NY in 06 and moved to VA. I loved how beautiful NY was but WAY to many liberals, anti-gunners, too high taxes and to top it off I was from Jamestown, NY.... aka dead economy. The overwhelming reason I left NY, however, was the police. My personal encounters with them was nothing but negative. They always had the attitude that I was a criminal. They constantly would ask me questions like, "Why do you want a gun?", "What would you do with it?". I just felt as if in their minds I was already a criminal. Here in VA the LEOs Ive ran into have been very polite and in most cases encourage people to carry their firearms. I have run into a few bad apples but in most cases they know that they work for us. And best of all No handgun permits! Hopefully in the next couple of years my parents will be leaving forever. *note* In no way am I trying to bash people who love NY. It can be a great state, it just seems to me that liberty sailed away from NY along time ago. |
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NYC Taxpayer Regular Member
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I was a police officer 110 pct Queens and quit to make a better living and hated the policy Dinkins set up. I cannot get a full carry either only a target and on premises permit even though I was able to get a full carry in 34 states but NY. One of my accounts was a retired NYC Captain 47th pct Bronx ... After he retired 7 months later he wanted to get another revolver and Bloomberg administration turned him down saying they needed to do a complete back ground check. It took almost 18 months for him to be approved for a snub nose 38 . Another highly decorated retired detective was told to turn in his firearm because someone complained they saw it in a CO-OP and the police said it must be concealed 4 months later after an investigation the firearm was returned. I voted for Bloomberg twice but never again as we need to take our rights back and he is for taking away our God given right for self defence. One elderly gentleman in Harlem recently shot 2 out of 4 armed robbers they want to give him a long prison term because the shot gun was not registered and had a pistol grip thus is is a felony even though he did save at least 3 lives as the would be thiefs pistol whiped a worker and fired off a few rounds Last edited on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 10:30 pm by NYC Taxpayer |
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WheelGun Regular Member
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Do you need to stay there? Can you move? If you need (or want) to stay in New York State, there are some upstate counties that are a political world away from NYC and the neighboring suburban counties. Some to consider: Dutchess, Ulster, Delaware. |
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NYC Taxpayer Regular Member
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A retired NYC police captain 42nd pct was turned down a few months after he retired as he wanted a 3rd revolver |
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BillMCyrus Regular Member
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McDonald v. Chicago and Palmer v. DC are going to take down the Sullivan Law. |
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WheelGun Regular Member
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Nearly fifteen years ago, the Suffolk County NY legislature voted to have all Suffolk County Pistol Licenses that are 'carry licenses' to be honored as unrestricted carry, as opposed to the sportsman's restrictions imposed by the police department. (To and from the range/hunting only, no self defense.) To this day, the Suffolk PD is restricting carry licenses to 'sportsman' and enforcing that restriction. Many PDs in New York State feel they are above the law, court rulings or the Second Amendment. I doubt the NYPD will respect any Supreme Court ruling that invalidates the Sullivan LAw, the same way they have no respect for LEOSA. Last edited on Wed Oct 7th, 2009 06:01 pm by WheelGun |
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NYC Taxpayer Regular Member
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As a disabled vet I and tax payer and business owner I will never voter for the low life Bloomberg . If he was truly concerned about public safety instead of spreading lies he would stop private air craft flying over Manhattan BUT because he has his own plane the same rules do not apply to him. 2010 is time to get the democraps OUT of office .. LET FREEDOM RING |
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