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unarmed in westchester Regular Member 
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Hi all! My name is Mike and im new to this site. As you can see from my profile, i am from the lovely, liberal, anti-gun state of NY (to make things worse, i live in Westchester County, home to Hillary Clinton). My question is regarding carrying in Vermont. My fiancee is from VT and we visit there quite often and while we are there, i do quite a bit of shooting with my soon-to-be father-in-law. I have gone into several gun shops (in Rutland & Poultney) and have never had a problem handling firearms. My question is this; What are the laws/regulations regarding an out-of-stater carrying in VT? I do indeed have a NYS pistol license, but obviously do not have residency in VT. Would i still be able to carry in VT? Any response or helpful tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Mike |
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modificationvt Regular Member 
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If I remember correctly any citizen of the US can CC or OC in Vermont. |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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You don't even have to be a citizen. No license or paperwork required to carry in Vermont either openly or concealed, loaded or not. Non-citizens have to meet certain criteria to possess firearms under federal law, but I don't think VT cares about citizenship. |
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Jared Regular Member 
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KBCraig wrote: You don't even have to be a citizen. No license or paperwork required to carry in Vermont either openly or concealed, loaded or not. That is correct. Vermont respects the rights of people to carry as long as they are 15 years old. Also, Vermont respects the right to carry any knife of any length, switchblade, billy club, stun gun, tazer, or pistol whether concealed or not. No Vermont does not care about citizenship, Vermont never had that constitutional problem. |
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Smurfologist Regular Member 
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Jared wrote: KBCraig wrote:You don't even have to be a citizen. No license or paperwork required to carry in Vermont either openly or concealed, loaded or not. Vermont has the lowest crime rate if I remember correctly (smile). This is how it should be everywhere, don't you think?!? 2nd Amendment...........Use it..........Or, lose it!!  |
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CJ Regular Member
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There is a state law restricting switchblades to a certain length or smaller (must be less than 3 inches long). http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/fullchapter.cfm?Title=13&Chapter=085 Otherwise, yep, what was said was true: no license needed, concealed or open, and not too many places are off limits either. |
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centercity Regular Member
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Enjoy! |
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jaredbelch Founder's Club Member
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I'm curious how carrying in Vermont works with the Federal Gun Free Zone law... That states you can't have a gun within 1000 feet of a school property without a license or permit from the state you are in. (unless it's locked up) Since Vermont doesn't issue permits, how do you get around this? |
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CJ Regular Member
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It's not exactly enforced generally speaking, I've looked and only found it used against people charged with other crimes at the same time, such as murder, drug dealing/etc.) but to play it safe (especially since some police have harassed me over open carry) I carry non-firearm (under federal law) guns (pre-1899 antiques, cap and ball revolvers etc.) when I may be around schools (that law makes a big part of my city off limits to carrying modern firearms, schools all over the place). That gun free school zone law is one federal law that desperately needs to be either repealed or challenged in court! Funny how my post-1898 Nagant revolvers or my 1911 can't be carried within 1000 feet of a school but my big Colt Walker repro. can. Last edited on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 12:49 am by CJ |
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unarmed in westchester Regular Member
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Wow, as always, you guys have come through for me! I knew id get a respnse, just didnt think id get so many and so quickly! Smurfologist...too funny man! When i brought my fiancee to apply for her pistol license, i had a lengthy conversation with the Detective assigned to her case. He was almost appaled at the fact she was originally applying for full carry (as did i). He asked me if i knew she was applying for full carry and i said yes, but told her you (the County) would most likely talk her out of it. He got a bit defensive and said that he would never talk anyone out of it, but its very hard to be granted full-carry through Westchester Co., which we both knew. Anyway, we were talking about guns and the laws surrounding gun ownership. I brought up the fact that states such as Vt. that have little to no gun laws, have very low crime rates. He agreed but saud that many of those states have very strict laws in regards to carrying. I said that i wouldnt care, as long as i was lawfully carrying to protect myself and my family. We then got into deeper discussion and i had many questions/arguments, but i let alot of it go, for sake of my fiancee getting her license lol. |
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NYShooter Regular Member 
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I'm not 100% sure about VT, but I have a non-resident permit for PA and their rules are that you are limited to your home states permit conditions. Which means, if you have a permit that is restricted to your home and not full carry you can not carry in public. Or if you have just for hunting then you can only carry while hunting etc. Since you are from Westchester I'm sure you don't have full carry. I would check with the states laws first even though residents don't need a permit. |
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SIGguy229 Regular Member 
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NYShooter wrote: I'm not 100% sure about VT, but I have a non-resident permit for PA and their rules are that you are limited to your home states permit conditions. Which means, if you have a permit that is restricted to your home and not full carry you can not carry in public. Or if you have just for hunting then you can only carry while hunting etc. Since you are from Westchester I'm sure you don't have full carry. I would check with the states laws first even though residents don't need a permit. How sure of this are you? Citation please. When carrying in another state, you go by the laws of the state you are visiting--not your home state. Afterall, how could one state enforce another state's laws? For example, in certain states, you cannot carry a firearm in a restaurant that serves alcohol. In VA--you MUST open carry in restaurants that serve alcohol. If I visit another state--I don't OC--I adhere to the laws of the state I'm visiting. |
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NYShooter Regular Member
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I agree , you go by the state you are visiting. But the adjoining states I am applying to have different restrictions. If your home state does not allow you full carry then you can't do it in the state you visit either unless it is under certain conditions. My example is a friend of mine from NJ. He only has a residence permit for that state, but he can use his handgun to hunt in PA, no other purpose allowed. Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same. |
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SIGguy229 Regular Member
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That is unusual. Do you have a citation to support? I've never heard that before. |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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NYShooter wrote: Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same. Since Vermont doesn't require any permit at all, it's obviously not the same. |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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Jared wrote:
Unfortunately Federal law does not respect the rights of people <18 years of age to carry handguns for SD. 18 USC 922(x) still prohibits it unless related to employment, ranching, farming, target shooting, hunting or course of instruction in firearms safety AND with WRITTEN permission from parent or guardian AND written permission must be in the juvenile's possession AND state law must allow it. The carry of the loaded handgun is only legal then during the actual performance of the above activities at the site of the activity. When transporting the firearm to/from the site of the activity, for a juvenile <18 years to be legal the handgun must be unloaded and cased. |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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jaredbelch wrote: I'm curious how carrying in Vermont works with the Federal Gun Free Zone law... That states you can't have a gun within 1000 feet of a school property without a license or permit from the state you are in. (unless it's locked up) I don't think Fed law impliments such GFZ. It's certainly not enforced here in Tn. We are allowed to amke drop/pickup fo students while carrying w/permit as long as we don't get out of the vehicle with it. We can drive right past a school armed. There's no buffer zone that I'm aware of in Tn. You may be thinking of a State law somewhere. |
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sandcast69 Regular Member
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NYShooter, Your friend is mistaken, you can OC anywhere in pennsylvania except philadelphia without a CCW, resident or not. You always follow the laws of the state your in at the time not the state you reside in. New Jersey @ New York have nothing to say about it, their jurisdiction does not apply in other states! Tell your friend to get a Florida or Utah CCW permit and he can carry OC/CC anywhere in Pa including Phila. As far as Vermont goes, follow Vermont law NOT New York law when in Vermont. Vermont Carry Are you a felon? NO! Are you legally crazy? NO! Then strap-on and go about your business! With that being said, I advise learning and abiding by the laws of any state that you decide to OC/CC in. IANAL sandcast69 http://paopencarry.org/pdfs/Pennsylvania_Gun_Rights.pdf Last edited on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 02:48 pm by sandcast69 |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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NYShooter wrote: I agree , you go by the state you are visiting. But the adjoining states I am applying to have different restrictions. If your home state does not allow you full carry then you can't do it in the state you visit either unless it is under certain conditions. My example is a friend of mine from NJ. He only has a residence permit for that state, but he can use his handgun to hunt in PA, no other purpose allowed. Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same. Your CCW is just like your driver's license. You abide by the laws of the road you are driving on, not by the laws of where your license is from. |
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CHEYENNE Regular Member 
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IMHO, VT is the only state that truelly supports 2A, no infringment their!! Bummer I moved to AZ, now I gotta spend $150-$200  Someday I'll go back, someday soon |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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NavyLT wrote: NYShooter wrote:I agree , you go by the state you are visiting. But the adjoining states I am applying to have different restrictions. If your home state does not allow you full carry then you can't do it in the state you visit either unless it is under certain conditions. My example is a friend of mine from NJ. He only has a residence permit for that state, but he can use his handgun to hunt in PA, no other purpose allowed. Like I said , I don't know if VT is the same. Not always exactly the case. If one possessed a restricted DL from Va. permitting them to only drive during the day light or to and from work, they are not legal to drive in PA. after dark while on vacation. It would seem to me that restrictions on gun/carry permits from your home state might well present a problem elsewhere. Yata hey |
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JoeSparky Centurion Member 
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Grapeshot wrote: NavyLT wrote:NYShooter wrote: If they EVER institute a Firearms permit recognition system like the DL compact agreement between states that requires/allows any state to enforce the restrictions of another state with regard to DL's then one might have to abide by the home state restrictions. Here's hoping that a National Recognition is approved that does not require ANY licence to carry concealed or otherwise.... |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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JoeSparky wrote: snip.......... Gasp ! You do realize you are advocating full acceptance and agreement with the Second Amendment? Perhaps you even intend for complete preemption at the national level of our RTKBA ! Would that it could be so in my lifetime. Yata hey |
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JoeSparky Centurion Member
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Grapeshot wrote: JoeSparky wrote:snip.......... I am appaulled that we find ourselves in a situation where the government at any level has the ability to PRE-EMPTIVELY intervene in our lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness by regulation, legeslation, and breauracracy! ELIMINATE ALL LAWS THAT DO SUCH. By the same token... If I drive in such a manner that I cause injury to another... make me pay the bill! I should not have to pay an artificially raised cost because someone decided that May 1986 was a good month and year to dis-allow otherwise law abiding citizens from possessing, owning, making a class 3 weapon, silencer, etc. off soapbox! edited for spelling... more spelling errors may remain! Last edited on Sun Mar 1st, 2009 02:15 am by JoeSparky |
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sheepdog Regular Member
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...actually, an important part of 18USC922 is (D).... D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which the juvenile is an invited guest. ......and a juvenile may have a handgun and ammunition within the Fed. laws with a note from parents...on the way to and from a listed activity allowed by state law....it's not really too restrictive.... |
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carryall Regular Member 
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Hello, As a matter of course, nj does not extend the right of CWP to anyone other than lawyers, judges and politicians. Go figure. nj may issue a subject an FID card, which is needed to then apply to your local police chief to beg a permit to purchase a pistol, if the chief so desires you as a subject, to be granted one. Unless you are the lucky few, and I mean few, who have a permit to carry concealed in nj, the only thing you will have if granted to you is your nj firearms identification card, and individually granted or denied permits to purchase a pistol(s), each individually approved or denied by your local police chief. If you at any given time are denied by your local police chief the right to purchase a pistol, your only recourse is to file a claim with your local nj superior court. Most often that court will rule with the local police chief and uphold your denied request to purchase. The strange thing is a matter of nj law, the judge basically has to declare you to be a known danger to the overall health and welfare to society. I have seen this done |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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CHEYENNE wrote: IMHO, VT is the only state that truelly supports 2A, no infringment their!! and Alaska. It is a state now, you know :-) |
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hudson valley Regular Member
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modificationvt wrote: If I remember correctly any citizen of the US can CC or OC in Vermont.I believe that anyone can carry as long as they are not doing so for an illegal purpose.... |
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Thundar Regular Member 
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CHEYENNE wrote: IMHO, VT is the only state that truelly supports 2A, no infringment their!! Alaska is pretty good too. |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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SIGguy229 wrote: NYShooter wrote:I'm not 100% sure about VT, but I have a non-resident permit for PA and their rules are that you are limited to your home states permit conditions. Which means, if you have a permit that is restricted to your home and not full carry you can not carry in public. Or if you have just for hunting then you can only carry while hunting etc. Since you are from Westchester I'm sure you don't have full carry. I would check with the states laws first even though residents don't need a permit. I believe the state of Indiana may be an exception as far as recognizing all state's handgun license. For example, VA's handgun license specifies "concealed" handgun license, so, one must conceal carry in Indiana (if there are off limit areas that Indiana has, they must be recognized and respected). If one have a license that does not specify "concealed" handgun license such as PA's handgun license, one can OC or CC (if I need to be corrected about any of this, please do so). This brings me to an interesting question: "Since Indiana recognizes other states handgun licenses, would Indiana recognize a VT citizen's right to OC or CC without a license (since they don't need a license to OC or CC)?" The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! Last edited on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 01:46 am by Smurfologist |
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Leverdude Regular Member 
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: "Since Indiana recognizes other states handgun licenses, would Indiana recognize a VT citizen's right to OC or CC without a license (since they don't need a license to OC or CC)?" Nope, thats why AK has a pistol permit if you want it even though you dont need it. But as far as I know if another state recognizes your permit you go by that states laws. In VT its a moot point because there are no laws to break & nothing to charge you with unless you actually commit a crime. |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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Leverdude wrote: : "Since Indiana recognizes other states handgun licenses, would Indiana recognize a VT citizen's right to OC or CC without a license (since they don't need a license to OC or CC)?" Here is a link that explains what I was trying to say in my post: I love VT's CC/OC rules. It makes me want to retire there (smile). However, VT may want to go the route of AK so that they won't have any issues in other states (like Indiana). Of course, a VT resident could just get a non-resident license from another state (like UT, NH, or PA).The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! Last edited on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 06:32 am by Smurfologist |
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Yooper Regular Member 
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This is how this works....... If you have a permit, say a Concealed WEAPONS permit from Florida, you can carry in any state that honors that florida permit. BUT you have to follow the laws of the state you are in. Example, Michigan has a Concealed PISTOL license, and also recognizes permits from all other states. But Michigan law only allows for the carrying of concealed PISTOLS and not WEAPONS in general. Therefore, a Florida resident carrying a handgun in Michigan is ok, but a Florida resident carrying brass knuckles is a no-no in Michigan. Unlike NY/NJ and a few other states, most allow citizens and non citizens to openly carry a handgun without any permit. The state of Colorado doesn't give a rats butt if you need a permit to posses/carry/transport a handgun in NY or NJ, all they care about is that you follow Colorado's laws. VT works the same way, they don't care if I have 20 permits, or none, as long as I follow the laws of VT. Since VT doesn't prohibit persons from carrying a handgun, anybody (law abiding of course) can. The only ones I wouldn't be sure on are those jurisdictions that place restrictions on concealed licenses. Usually they are seen in "may issue" states. Would Utah recognize a permit from Iowa that's restricted to hunting and target shooting only as a fully authorized permit in their state? I don't know. |
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Yooper Regular Member
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This is how this works....... If you have a permit, say a Concealed WEAPONS permit from Florida, you can carry in any state that honors that florida permit. BUT you have to follow the laws of the state you are in. Example, Michigan has a Concealed PISTOL license, and also recognizes permits from all other states. But Michigan law only allows for the carrying of concealed PISTOLS and not WEAPONS in general. Therefore, a Florida resident carrying a handgun in Michigan is ok, but a Florida resident carrying brass knuckles is a no-no in Michigan. Unlike NY/NJ and a few other states, most allow citizens and non citizens to openly carry a handgun without any permit. The state of Colorado doesn't give a rats butt if you need a permit to posses/carry/transport a handgun in NY or NJ, all they care about is that you follow Colorado's laws. VT works the same way, they don't care if I have 20 permits, or none, as long as I follow the laws of VT. Since VT doesn't prohibit persons from carrying a handgun, anybody (law abiding of course) can. The only ones I wouldn't be sure on are those jurisdictions that place restrictions on concealed licenses. Usually they are seen in "may issue" states. Would Utah recognize a permit from Iowa that's restricted to hunting and target shooting only as a fully authorized permit in their state? I don't know. |
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SGT Jensen State Researcher 
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Yooper wrote: The only ones I wouldn't be sure on are those jurisdictions that place restrictions on concealed licenses. Usually they are seen in "may issue" states. Would Utah recognize a permit from Iowa that's restricted to hunting and target shooting only as a fully authorized permit in their state? I don't know. ...since you used Utah as an example.  Utah will honor a "permit to carry a concealed firearm" issued by any State or County. 76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws. Now, I realize that every State has a different title printed on the card, but Utah chose the wording to match what is printed on our card. That being said, law enforcement here does not seem to care. As long as you have some kind of "gun permit" Utah will likely honor it.   Last edited on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 07:35 pm by SGT Jensen |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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SGT Jensen wrote: Yooper wrote:The only ones I wouldn't be sure on are those jurisdictions that place restrictions on concealed licenses. Usually they are seen in "may issue" states. Would Utah recognize a permit from Iowa that's restricted to hunting and target shooting only as a fully authorized permit in their state? I don't know. Sounds like you are not sure, SGT Jensen (of course, I am playing devil's advocate). However, I do understand what you are trying to convey. The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! |
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JoeSparky Centurion Member
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Smurfologist wrote: SGT Jensen wrote:Yooper wrote:The only ones I wouldn't be sure on are those jurisdictions that place restrictions on concealed licenses. Usually they are seen in "may issue" states. Would Utah recognize a permit from Iowa that's restricted to hunting and target shooting only as a fully authorized permit in their state? I don't know. If SGT Jensen will forgive me... I will assume that SGT Jensen does not know EVERY LEO in the State of Utah. I do not! For those that we DO know... MOST have been reasonable and willing to learn. A few have not but those for the most part seem to be from the SALT LAKE COUNTY REGIONS! I personally know several LEO's in Utah County and have not had any issues regarding open carrying from those that I know. As much as you seem to want us to make an absolute statement that every LEO in the state is completely knowledgeable about ALL the nuances regarding Open Carry.... I am not willing to say that. I do hope that knowledge, understanding, and appreciation is growing among both sides of this issue... the side of the citizen (not violating the law) and the officer (not violating our rights, civil and otherwise! |
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SGT Jensen State Researcher
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Smurfologist wrote: Sounds like you are not sure, SGT Jensen (of course, I am playing devil's advocate). However, I do understand what you are trying to convey. You're right, I am not sure. I don't know if it was the Legislatures intention to honor any type of permit from any possible issuing authority. I do know that it is understood that we welcome all who are armed, and don't really care what is printed on your card. Our gun laws here are very relaxed, and for the most part, so is our law enforcement when it comes to concealed carry. Flash them some kind of "gun permit", and they will probably be cool with it. ...unless you find that one a-hole! |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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SGT Jensen wrote: Smurfologist wrote:Sounds like you are not sure, SGT Jensen (of course, I am playing devil's advocate). However, I do understand what you are trying to convey. Now, I definitely know what you were conveying.  Stay safe!!The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! |
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HessMan1075 Regular Member 
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Let's go Swank!! Time to Shoot Just Got my Pistol Permit Yesterday, Went and Picked up my first Gun( S&W9mm ) Gonna Shoot in Vermont for the First time, this weekend.. Watch Out!! \ |
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Yooper Regular Member
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SIGguy229 wrote: NYShooter wrote:I'm not 100% sure about VT, but I have a non-resident permit for PA and their rules are that you are limited to your home states permit conditions. Which means, if you have a permit that is restricted to your home and not full carry you can not carry in public. Or if you have just for hunting then you can only carry while hunting etc. Since you are from Westchester I'm sure you don't have full carry. I would check with the states laws first even though residents don't need a permit. Michigan's law used to allow people to carry in michigan and follow their home states laws. Thus, if for example, michigan banned carrying in a bar, but the state you were from allowed carrying in a bar, you could legally carry in a bar in michigan. I don't remember the exact wording, but the statue read something like: All privlages granted by the persons home state shall be granted in this state. However, at the time, MI was "may-issue" and didn't have any GFZ's that I can remember, so it was essentially a non-issue. The "shall-issue" law got rid of that. |
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HessMan1075 wrote: Let's go Swank!! Time to Shoot Where did you go shoot?? |
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HessMan1075 Regular Member
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Just Shot yesterday for the first time in Poultny Vt. Amazing! I had an awsome time. Im addicted. Can't wait to get out shooting again. |
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HessMan1075 Regular Member
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Just Shot yesterday for the first time in Poultny Vt. Amazing! I had an awsome time. Im addicted. Can't wait to get out shooting again. |
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HessMan1075 Regular Member
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Just Shot yesterday for the first time in Poultny Vt. Amazing! I had an awsome time. Im addicted. Can't wait to get out shooting again.  |
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HessMan1075 Regular Member
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Just Shot yesterday for the first time in Poultny Vt. Amazing! I had an awsome time. Im addicted. Can't wait to get out shooting again. |
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HessMan1075 Regular Member
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Just Shot yesterday for the first time in Poultny Vt. Amazing! I had an awsome time. Im addicted. Can't wait to get out shooting again. |
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unarmed in westchester Regular Member
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Hess, did ya have to duplicate your posts soo many times lol? And get a map...you were in Middletown Springs, not Poultney, but close! And you failed to mention how while we were shooting, a Vt. State Trooper drove by, looked right at us and continued on his way . In NY, a cop would have not only stopped, but called lots of back-up.I love Vermont |
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jay75009 Regular Member 
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GOD BLESS VERMONT! I LOVE VERMONT! lol |
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unarmed in westchester Regular Member
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M1911a1lvr wrote: HessMan1075 wrote:Let's go Swank!! Time to Shoot M1911....In my brother-in-laws back yard lol. Gotta love Vt, no need to drive to a range. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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CHEYENNE wrote: IMHO, VT is the only state that truelly supports 2A, no infringment their!!Vermont and Alaska. |
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