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yankees98a Regular Member
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Was being followed by a cop for 2 miles doing a main st stretch... Did 26 in a 30 then 20 in a 25. (Was late at night and new to the roads). Was it legal to be pulled over. Reason was I was going slow so they wanted to "make sure" I was ok. |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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Probably. It was late at night. Part of the deal is that prersons under the influence have a hard time doing two things at once. In other words, drunken drivers will typically either drive straight, but do to ther inablility to concentrate on speed, they will drive slow. If they concentrate on their speed to avoid your situation (being pulled over), they will lose their concentration on driving straight and weave. That's why they do the heal to toe walk on the line. The drunk will either conctentrate on heal to toe and not be able to walk the line, or concentrate on the line and not be able to do the heal to to part. If it was nothing more than the LEO just checking up and they didn't officially detain you, I wouldn't be concerned. |
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marshaul Activist Member 
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It's best to drive right at or above (by 2 or 3 mph) the speed limit. Driving 5mph below the speed limit attracts as much attention as going 10 over. |
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PT111 Regular Member 
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As long as all they did was check to see if you were OK there was nothing illegal that I can see. Driving over or under the speed limit is suspicious but since you said you were unfamiliar with the road that is a legitimate reason. Several years ago the Texas Highway Patrol did a study and found that the person driving below the speed limit was much more dangerous than one driving above the speed limit. (Not those exact words but to that effect). |
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ghostrider Regular Member 
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NavyLT wrote: Probably. It was late at night. Part of the deal is that prersons under the influence have a hard time doing two things at once. In other words, drunken drivers will typically either drive straight, but do to ther inablility to concentrate on speed, they will drive slow. If they concentrate on their speed to avoid your situation (being pulled over), they will lose their concentration on driving straight and weave.While I agree with most of this, the bold faced part is untrue. The instant they turn on your flashers, you are no longer free to ignore them or leave, and you most certainly being detained. The RS for being detained was probably that he was driving 5 under at a late hour. |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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Yes, ghostrider, I guess that is true, you don't have much choice! I guess I meant the whole field sobriety check, breathalyzer, etc... While they might have perfectly legal to do all that stuff as well, it would have really pissed me off... but just the stop wouldn't bother me. I've gotten pulled over before for forgetting to dim the headlights, which to me is legit (no ticket, just a check..) I've also gotten pulled over about 18 years ago just for driving a Toyota Celica with tinted windows and three other people in the car. It just happened to be at 6:30 in the morning and we were carpooling to work. That was definitely profiling and I was pissed about that. No reason at all for the stop, the cop couldn't even give me one, he just said he was checking us out.... |
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no carry permit ? Regular Member
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When that happens to me I really don't get upset as long as it's over quickly 5 minutes max. and doesn't involve them holding my gun. |
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ilbob Activist Member
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I get a kick out of cops. They claim it is suspicious if you drive right at or under the speed limit, so it is OK to pull you over for that, even though no offense is being committed. if you go over the speed limit thats a citable offense, so they can pull you over. so basically, there is no speed you can drive at where they can't make a claim that it is OK to pull you over. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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You ever mess with their jurisdiction? I had one tailling me, and when I crossed the state line a floored it and slowed down when reentering his beloved state. Gave me a long dirty look, but I continued on. Thank god for cruise so I could relax till he got bored and left. I do know I won't pull over for an offence that is out of state, I will just drive to the next police department to agrivate him more. |
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vermonter Regular Member 
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NJ police harass more than any other state. In Texas they will just drag you out of the car and beat you senseless if you even sass them. I would NEVER live in NJ (or TX). Try VT, PA, MT, OR, WA if you can move. NJ is just out of hand! |
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marshaul Activist Member
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Oh, yeah, by the way, this is the exact reason I oppose speed limits. Instead of holding police to something that actually resembles "reasonable articulable suspicion", they get all these arbitrary regulatory limits, which provide a crutch for justifying otherwise unreasonable stops. Instead of, "I witnessed the operator clearly driving in an erratic manner, swerving and maintaining inconsistent speed, thus exhibiting classic behavior indicative of driving under the influence of alcohol, according to my training and experiece" it's become "Um, well, I LIDARed the perp going 31 in a 25, so he's clearly already in violation" (and thus can be stopped) to, even worse, "Well, uh, the speed limit is 25, and I caught him doing 20, so he must be doing something wrong. I'm basing this on no other reasoning than him driving at some speed other than the arbitrary number at which you're "supposed" to drive (and which is even called a "limit"), but, hey, that's reasonable, isn't it? I mean after all, we live in a day and age where we're told what speed at which we are supposed to drive, so there really isn't any reason to drive at any other speed". I understand the justification for all the regulation, but in my view the ultimate effect, and thus purpose, is to take the "reasonable" out of the standard of RAS, and government regulation in general. |
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mrbiggles Banned
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SlackwareRobert wrote: You ever mess with their jurisdiction? lol. awesome  what state do you live in? In my state there are no more jurisdictions |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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Was a Tenn state trooper, Ga. has a one mile stretch of the highway, when I crossed the state line I took off, and then braked back into Tn. Leads me to wonder if anyone has ever used extradition law to contest a ticket, If he tried to get me out of state I knew I would be one of the first. Course I did get a tail in Ga once with an entire car full of weapons. I was moving 16 guns, and 7 swords down here and made a wrong turn. No trunk to put them in, cop would have laid a brick if he pulled me over im shure. |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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marshaul wrote: It's best to drive right at or above (by 2 or 3 mph) the speed limit. Driving 5mph below the speed limit attracts as much attention as going 10 over. Unless your driving an old clunker. the the LE may figure your just trying to baby the old antique to get the last ounce of "GO" out of it. |
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Gunslinger Regular Member 
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marshaul wrote: Oh, yeah, by the way, this is the exact reason I oppose speed limits.Hell, I oppose them because I like driving fast.  |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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I support gas saving limits. For me best mpg is 100-115. Definatly drops off at 142mph. Plus the stock brakes are a joke when used at this speed.  But I always obey the law...... Can't wait to try out these stupid traffic cameras. |
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marshaul Activist Member
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Damn, I wish I got good mileage above 90 mph. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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I get an extra 90 per tank if I stay over 100 vs 65. I'll never give the car up since it proves the govt doesn't care about saving fuel. Plus it is much safer..... Can anyone give me even one instance of someone going over 100 getting hit? All accidents i've ever ran across delt with someone going much slower. Just remember to never drive faster than the conditions allow for. |
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zigziggityzoo Campaign Veteran 
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yankees98a wrote:Was being followed by a cop for 2 miles doing a main st stretch... Did 26 in a 30 then 20 in a 25. (Was late at night and new to the roads). Generally, when a cop starts tailing me, I just pull over. They usually just keep driving and give me the death stare. This is harassment. It's illegal. If it happens again, dial 911 and let them know you're being harassed by a driver in a police car who wont stop following you. Cops like this should have their badges taken away. It's their job to protect and serve, not harass and abuse. |
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Miracle Regular Member
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vermonter wrote: NJ police harass more than any other state. In Texas they will just drag you out of the car and beat you senseless if you even sass them. I would NEVER live in NJ (or TX). Try VT, PA, MT, OR, WA if you can move. NJ is just out of hand! Please don't stereotype us this way. I've lived in Texas 37 years, been pulled over my fair share for speeding and never been beaten by a cop. Neither has a single person I know. Thanks muchly  |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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I think the sad point is, if you get pulled over a few miles from your house.... 45 min for a ticket when you live there, have all your paperwork. Now same location several years after I moved out of state. Old expired registration, car registered in 1 state, licence from another and didn't have it with me, and I was on my way in 5 minutes with my ticket. Just like the rest of the justice system, a law abiding citizen has no chance, it is set up for the crooks. |
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sprat Regular Member 
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to quote Bob Dylan ( travelling Wilburys) "everything is legal in jersey as long as you don't get caught" |
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scarletwahoo Regular Member 
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yankees98a wrote: Was being followed by a cop for 2 miles doing a main st stretch... Did 26 in a 30 then 20 in a 25. (Was late at night and new to the roads). I do not know if it was legal, but when I was in high school, a cop was tailing me and my friend for a while. For that reason my friend made sure he was driving under the speed limit in a 65 mph zone. The cop pulled us over, harassed us a bit, and told him he was driving too slow (60 in a 65) and gave him a careless driving ticket. I wish that would have happened when we were older. |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member 
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SlackwareRobert wrote: Was a Tenn state trooper, Ga. has a one mile stretch of the highway, when I crossed I was pulled over a few years ago on the George Washington Parkway by a Washington Metro Airport Authority cop, who wrote me a summons to appear in Arlington County District Court. He said his piece and I pulled out a map. You see, about a mile of GW Parkway crosses the Boundary Channel and thus is in the District of Columbia and not in Virginia. Hence Barney Fife could not charge me under Virginia law. Case dismissed!! |
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nitrovic Regular Member 
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What does this thread have to do with open carry or gun rights? |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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nitrovic wrote: What does this thread have to do with open carry or gun rights? Actually, nothing, Nitro. "General discussion" amounts to a bunch of us sitting around the cracker barrel swapping ideas and stories and it gets a bit - okay more than a bit = off topic. We all need to vent, and BTW I meant NO disrespect to the VAST MAJORITY of LEOs who so competently and bravely deter the zoo life from impinging upon the rest of us as we try to improve our own lots and those of our fellow man. I was actually discomfited by the fact that I had made a jackass out of an LEO in court and apologized for it to a couple of his fellows. They told me not to worry because he was held in low esteem by most of his LEO bretheren, precisely because he was prone to doing things such as I called him on. |
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nitrovic Regular Member
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The only reason I bring it up is because I can see where this may be going (and ALWAYS does when this type of thing is brought up). The forum rules state that even in the GD forum, it has to somehow relate to OC, gun rights etc. I fail to see how getting pulled over for doing 20 in a 25 is relevant. No offense intended to anybody in this thread. |
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nitrovic Regular Member
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vermonter wrote:NJ police harass more than any other state. In Texas they will just drag you out of the car and beat you senseless if you even sass them. I would NEVER live in NJ (or TX). Try VT, PA, MT, OR, WA if you can move. NJ is just out of hand! This is what I'm talking about. I'm sure the regular police haters will not be far behind... |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member 
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All is nail to a hammer. All is hate to a cop-wannnabe. |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran 
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I personally don't have a problem with this thread, and found it informative as it discusses our rights when stopped by the police (an event very directly related to OC imo). |
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nitrovic Regular Member
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diesel556 wrote:I personally don't have a problem with this thread, and found it informative as it discusses our rights when stopped by the police (an event very directly related to OC imo). Was the poster carrying? I didn't catch that part. |
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POORBOY Regular Member 
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nitrovic wrote: diesel556 wrote: I don't think so. But i must say when i lived in a party town and did my share of wrong things I ALWAYS did the spped limit useually say the speed limit was 55 I did 57-58 never had no problems. Not sayin I didnt deserve it though. Was even followed by several hwy patrols and deputies. |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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Had to go back to the OP to come up with this: To answer your original question, pig-poking down the highway is - along with driving with parking lights on and braking an intersection before a red signal among other things - a "symptom" of an intoxicated driver. So is lighting up a cigarettte when a cop gets in the rear-view. A few months ago I lit one cig after the other and threw the used butt out the window. The cop behind me puulled me over and after asking questions I knew (from experience as a Military LEO) were designed to elicit responses that would (a) show slurring in my speech patterns and (2) allow him to get a good whiff of my breath. He then gave mw a warning for "littering" and let me go. we both knew what was really up. |
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teckie85 Regular Member
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in the state of nj it is the cops pref. he can pull u over if they think ur goin to slow.. they can give u the careless driving also. |
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thejax Regular Member 
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Miracle wrote: vermonter wrote:NJ police harass more than any other state. In Texas they will just drag you out of the car and beat you senseless if you even sass them. I would NEVER live in NJ (or TX). Try VT, PA, MT, OR, WA if you can move. NJ is just out of hand! I have a friend who is a cop for a municipality in NJ. He does this all the time. When he comes to hang with us he tells us stories and we are like, "You are such an ***hole". He says its fun because drivers get really really nervous and they do something wrong. Then he pulls them over and gives them a real hard time. I don't agree with it. I just wanted to throw in the conversation I know someone like this and my friends don't appreciate his cowboy stories like you don't appreciate him following you. He's a great guy to buddy around with but not the best cop to bargain with. He told me he once pulled over his pastor and give him a ticket. Like I said, some people are just different when they put on the uniform. Its a shame. |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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Tell me about it. We have two Hack Inspectors here in Alexandria, ones an older former motorcycle cop and he is okay. The other is a young hot-dog who has every characteristic of Barney Fife except he's real, and carries a loaded Glock. He once pulled a driver over and took him out of service for - I am not making this up - having low tire pressure. And he is not a bad guy to talk to, but until the City reined him in he would be on the street every day citing people for having a few leaves on the floor or even in the trunk (on a rainy, slushy windy winter day) and other such nonsense, and taking them out of service until they showed up at his office for a re-inspection. But that's human nature. Give some people a badge and look out. |
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Braveheart_NJ Regular Member
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Police enjoy their complete power to abuse the public any way they want, under any ruse. The kangaroo courts allow them to with blatant disregard for law or the Constitution. You can be lucky the cop didn't Taser you just for kicks. |
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spiritof76 Regular Member 
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yankees98a wrote: Was it legal to be pulled over. Reason was I was going slow so they wanted to "make sure" I was ok. NO it is not legal to pull you over to "make sure you're OK." Too many Americans have no idea what their rights are. Take the time to study the subject and educate yourself. A great place to start is the instructional video Busted: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters. Braveheart_NJ wrote: You can be lucky the cop didn't Taser you just for kicks. You mean like what happened to Pastor Anderson? Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2009 07:34 am by spiritof76 |
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smoking357 Banned 
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nitrovic wrote: What does this thread have to do with open carry or gun rights? First, they came for the drivers... |
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marshaul Activist Member
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Alexcabbie wrote:citing people for having a few leaves on the floor or even in the trunk (on a rainy, slushy windy winter day) and other such nonsense... What is illegal about leaves on the floor? I must be ignorant. |
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jerg_064 Regular Member
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marshaul wrote: Alexcabbie wrote: +1. I wonder what would happen if they saw all the spent .22lr casings on my dash, seats, floorboard, and even instrument cluster. |
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