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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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Every now and then, post dates, locations and small snippets of what happened. It's good to know what other OCers are doing. Friday - open carried at Olive Garden in Concord with my girlfriend. Waited for about 10 minutes for a table by the bathrooms. Later, moved to stand by the door and heard a woman say to the manager "I'm not going in there, there's a man with a gun!" I just stood there. The manager walked past us, looked straight at me and said "did you see a cop here?" I said, "no, can't say that I have" and he walked on. We were sat soon after and had an excellent dinner. We thanked the manager on the way out for the great service. Last edited on Thu Nov 20th, 2008 06:28 am by LiveFreeOrDie |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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Open carried at Angelina's in Concord. Very good food. At one point when the waiter was crouching down to our eye level, she glanced over and stopped talking. She then said "I'm sorry...I'm just not used to seeing guns." I apologized and reassured her that there was nothing to worry about and she haltingly continued. We had a wonderful dining experience and left her a large tip. Will return. |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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Went to the gas station to pick up a few things. A few glances, but nothing interesting until someone asked "is that a (type of gun I carry)"? I answered in the affirmative and he asked "40 or 45?" "Nine" I answered. We had a short pleasant exchange about getting an AR-15 before a possible ban and continued on our night. |
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DanGarand Regular Member
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I open carry in Exeter/Portsmouth/N.Hampton and Hampton and have been for about a year since I was Illegally denied a CCW by my corrupted chief of police of Exeter. I have only been asked to leave a few stores and after talking to the manager only actually had to leave one. I have been stopped by a platoon of Hampton PD rent-a-cops. I was just walking down the road when they all rolled up on motorcycles and atvs and cruisers. They harassed me for a few minutes telling me I needed an FID card and all types of other bull@#$%. After I educated them on what I was and was not required to have, give, or tell them they told me to have a good night and let me go. |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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Dan, please post about your experiences with your chief of police in Exeter (in a separate thread). We need to get that situation rectified ASAP. NH Law provides civil remedies for denied concealed carry licenses, and if you win, the POLICE, not you, have to pay your lawyer. I know a good attorney. It's also simple enough to do on your own. NH law keeps a tight leash on police departments regarding CCW so we need to make sure they don't overstep. I open carried yesterday in Manchester. Had a great Thanksgiving celebration with friends and family. No problems. Last edited on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 05:40 pm by LiveFreeOrDie |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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OCed to a Thanksgiving celebration in Portsmouth. No problems as I was among friends. This week I also open carried to dinner at Panera with my girlfriend. While eating, I looked up to see a state trooper filling his cup up at the soda machine but he either didn't notice or didn't care. I got my haircut while open carrying. Got one tilted look from my stylist, but nothing else. Had a pleasant conversation and a great haircut. Went grocery shopping open carrying. Nothing to report. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member 
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Friday - open carried at Olive Garden in Concord with my girlfriend. Waited for about 10 minutes for a table by the bathrooms. Later, moved to stand by the door and heard a woman say to the manager "I'm not going in there, there's a man with a gun!" I just stood there. The manager walked past us, looked straight at me and said "did you see a cop here?" I said, "no, can't say that I have" and he walked on. We were sat soon after and had an excellent dinner. We thanked the manager on the way out for the great service. Glad to hear you can OC in your Olive Garden. I've had nothing but issues (escorted out by police & refused service). Just an FYI for you folks... Olive Garden Guest Relations <olivegarden@olivegarden.com> to m1gunr@gmail.com date Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM subject Olive Garden Reply #546892 Dear Mr. ...: We deeply respect and appreciate your perspective and motivation to contact us again. (It took 3 emails to get them to respond) Olive Garden's focus is to provide all of our guests with a genuine Italian dining experience. Our policy regarding firearms in our restaurants is that we do not allow firearms except those carried by law enforcement officers. Based on the feedback we have received from our guests and employees, our policy is the best way to achieve our goal of creating a pleasant dining and working experience. We appreciate the opportunity to address your concerns, and we hope we may look forward to the continued privilege of serving you at Olive Garden. Sherri Bruen Manager Olive Garden Guest Relations Olive Garden is one of 6 restaurants in the Darden Restaurant Chain: Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Longhorn Steakhouse, Bahama Breeze, The Capital Grille, Seasons 52 fresh grill. |
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MarkNH State Researcher 
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Dan Garand: I see you have taken your case against Exeter to the NH Supreme Court. 2008-0606 Dan Garand v. Town of Exeter & a. 08/27/2008 Case Filing 09/16/2008 Acceptance Order Is there anything you can share on the case and the Chief's "reason" for denial of your permit? You can start your own thread on the case by going to the NH forum http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum37/ and clicking "New Topic" at the top right. Good luck! |
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M1Gunr wrote: Friday - open carried at Olive Garden in Concord with my girlfriend. Waited for about 10 minutes for a table by the bathrooms. Later, moved to stand by the door and heard a woman say to the manager "I'm not going in there, there's a man with a gun!" I just stood there. The manager walked past us, looked straight at me and said "did you see a cop here?" I said, "no, can't say that I have" and he walked on. We were sat soon after and had an excellent dinner. We thanked the manager on the way out for the great service. I OCed at the olive garden in Savannah GA  |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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LFOD, thanks for the periodic reports. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I OCed at the olive garden in Savannah GA I have OC'd as well at other locations but I just wanted everyone to be aware that I have fought this fight. In the Washington forum we have a Do Not Patronize list (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/3630.html) so that others do not duplicate efforts and waste time on something that has already been addressed. |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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I had no idea OC was allowed in a "practiced" manner. I've known what the law technically states and have gotten away with OC in the past, going to nearby pizza places after the range or a comp shoot. But the owners and employees know us so it's never been a problem. I've never even considered OC just in general though. Granted I could encounter a few problems, even from fellow activists of OC... tattoos on the arms, chest, and neck don't exactly represent the generic good citizen. But I try to welcome uncertain stares or glares with a smile and a greeting, hoping that they understand that I don't mind the attention, as criminals do, therefore, I'm not a criminal. Hopefully good repore, manner and well articulated respect will get me by if dealing with LEO. I'm finishing off a 15 month (way too long) tour in Iraq in March and can't wait to practice some good ole OC while I visit home. I'm from Nashua, and haven't read any experiences from there. And would love to hear any experiences if anyone has dealt with OC in Nashua. I'll make sure to post my trials when I get home. Last edited on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 04:57 pm by WendelBrue |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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I also had a question. What are the laws for NH OC? Laymans terms. I'm not sure if they're stated else where in the forum but I have minimal time online for searching. Mainly the basics, is a clip holster a holster? brandishing rules? Can it be condition one? Or does it have to be condition 3 for OC? I was reading where some states, if you didn't have a CCW, you could OC but it had to be condition 3, but if you had a CCW, you could OC in condition 1. Do you need specific holsters? Triple retention? Retention(thumb) strap? Do the weapon need to have a manual external safety? I'm sorry if some of these questions seem ridiculous but I'm used to CC, however I want it, and I never under-estimate the ability of lawmakers to create the most retarded rules. Last edited on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 05:05 pm by WendelBrue |
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rmodel65 Regular Member
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good place to start is http://www.handgunlaw.us |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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WendelBrue wrote: I also had a question. What are the laws for NH OC? Laymans terms. I'm not sure if they're stated else where in the forum but I have minimal time online for searching. Mainly the basics, is a clip holster a holster? brandishing rules? Can it be condition one? Or does it have to be condition 3 for OC? I was reading where some states, if you didn't have a CCW, you could OC but it had to be condition 3, but if you had a CCW, you could OC in condition 1. Do you need specific holsters? Triple retention? Retention(thumb) strap? Do the weapon need to have a manual external safety? I'm sorry if some of these questions seem ridiculous but I'm used to CC, however I want it, and I never under-estimate the ability of lawmakers to create the most retarded rules. I'm not a lawyer, but I'll tell you what I know. There are no laws about open carry except that you can't open carry into a courthouse, and that if you're in a vehicle, you have to have a license to carry (no such thing as open carry in a car). If your gun stays in your holster, you won't be breaking the brandishing statute. Safest thing is to get a license to conceal so that if you ever get into your car with your pistol, you're covered. |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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I have a CCW for NH, and have been CCing for years, but I've seen people get in trouble because their firearm was printed under their shirt, when CCing with a CCW. That whole "don't scare the horses" crap. I'm pretty familar with the CC laws, and I've read the rules, but what seems to be legal and what is actually allowed usually differ. I'm only ever in NH for vacation now so I'm not too keen on spending 24 hours detained, because I looked suspicious or disturbed the public, just to make a statement. That may seem weak or chicken but I've seen my wife for one, 16 day segment, over the last 13 months and I'd like to spend every night sharing a bed with her while I'm home. If she gets detained and put in the same cell with me then there's no problem, we'll make a party out of it. :-) |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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WendelBrue wrote: I have a CCW for NH, and have been CCing for years, but I've seen people get in trouble because their firearm was printed under their shirt, when CCing with a CCW. That whole "don't scare the horses" crap. I'm pretty familar with the CC laws, and I've read the rules, but what seems to be legal and what is actually allowed usually differ. I'm only ever in NH for vacation now so I'm not too keen on spending 24 hours detained, because I looked suspicious or disturbed the public, just to make a statement. That may seem weak or chicken but I've seen my wife for one, 16 day segment, over the last 13 months and I'd like to spend every night sharing a bed with her while I'm home. If she gets detained and put in the same cell with me then there's no problem, we'll make a party out of it. :-) If you have a CCW and know the CCW laws, there's nothing new for you to learn really. Just know that in a car is considered concealed. Yes, if the gun is concealed, and then becomes visible for a second, that's cause for a stop because concealed carry is a crime (unless you have a license). However, open carry is never a crime (unless you're in a courtroom) so they don't have cause to stop you if your gun is completely openly carried. If you have any trouble with the police, post it here and we'll help you through it. And no, they can't stop to "see if you're a felon" or something anymore than they can stop you to "see if you have a judge's order" not to be in whatever restaurant you're in. You will NOT get detained for more than 30-45 minutes, and even that is illegal for the police to do. Most of them know better. A few of the rookies will screw up and break the law by detaining you, but they'll let you go. The worst case scenario is you'll have to show your CCW license. When I open carry, I don't show my ID or my CCW license becuase I'm not required to. Here is one of the rare times when police broke the law by detaining an open carrier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI Here is another example of the Manchester PD screwing up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKZfa_XweBo Usually though, they don't bother you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olP_kwsEZ6w Last edited on Thu Dec 18th, 2008 08:09 pm by LiveFreeOrDie |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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I was under the impression that you're always required to show your ID. Does the code for carrying change, city to city, or is it a state code for NH? I don't really like being a dick to cops. I'm all for educating them on my rights and their job and what they do and don't have authority to do, but I'd prefer to do it politely as possible. Most are good guys just trying to help out, if they treat me professionally and with respect, I feel obligated to do the same. If they want to be a dick, I'll return the favor, but if they want to see my ID I don't see much reason why I shouldn't, even if I don't have to. I read a lot of threads on hear that people really treat cops rudely and like the bad guy, when we should be trying to work together on the same team. Gain trust in the police, know them (I've gotten a few warnings, instead of tickets because I knew the cop), and educate them and familarize them on codes and laws they don't necessarily know or deal with every day. |
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marshaul Activist Member 
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote:...if you're in a vehicle, you have to have a license to carry (no such thing as open carry in a car). Just know that in a car is considered concealed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't technically correct by my reading of the statutes. Or, to put it another way, this isn't a precise interpretation or explanation of the law. Section 159:4 So, first of all, technically the law distinguishes between "in any vehicle" and "concealed upon his person", so strictly speaking vehicle carry isn't "considered concealed", it's just treated the same way. Furthermore, this only applies to loaded handguns, so one may have an unloaded handgun in a vehicle, and presumably conceal one as well. The caveat seems to be that with the vague wording -- specifically the with in, "A loaded pistol... shall include any pistol... with a magazine... in which there are loaded cartridges" -- the ammunition must not be in any way perceivable as being "with" the gun, so it probably should be in the trunk. This seems like a minor distinction, but (for example) it enables you, if you choose to carry in Condition 3 (no round chambered) without a permit, to merely remove your magazines and place them in your trunk, rather than having to unholster your weapon in public. In my case, this enabled me (on short excursions across the border from Maine) to "ever get in my car" without needing to obtain a permit. |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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That is true, they are referring to a loaded gun. You can carry a firearm concealed without a CCW, as long as the weapon isn't loaded and you have no ammunition on you. But the statutes that govern the transportation of firearms, ie, unloaded are different. This is more the general discussion of what is legal with a loaded gun. Beyond transporting, carrying an unloaded gun does as much good as owning a dictionary when you can't read. |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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Open carried with my girlfriend to Carraba's. Had a nice meal and fair service. The food was ok...probably should've stuck with Chicken Parm or something classic. Went to the mall afterwards, but I left my coat on the whole time so I was concealed. |
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LibertyInNH Regular Member
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I carry essentially ALL THE TIME in the Strafford County (Rochester/Barrington/Dover) and Portsmouth/Newington area. When I hike or am outdoors, open is the way to go. In public I usually CC. But, I have made a quick stop into AutoZone and even carried openly when waiting for some automotive work to be done on the wife's van. Sparked a nice conversation with the lady at the desk and other customers. Then, in walk two officers. They look at me, I say "Hi, how are you guys?" they respond "Good, thanks." Then they asked the lady at the counter if the cruiser is all set (to pick up)! They did not seem to bat an eye. That being said, sometimes I am trying to assert my rights including open carry at Chili's and other restaurants, but most of the time no one knows, which is probably the best route ;-) |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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I have a question for the common OCers. Do you OC or CC, if you're actually expecting something to happen, or feel the likelihood is higher. For the always argued point, that if someone is breaking the law with a gun, then you're going to be a prime target if they notice you have one, as opposed to CCing and then drawing on the last moment with them unsuspecting. I'm all for the right to OC, and I think plenty of times, almost more for convenience sake, I would in the future, (ie not wanting to quickly throw on a jacket or concealing shirt to go run into the store or something. Maybe even go for a walk around the neighborhood.) I've been talking to friends and family in NH about working with the PD and starting an OC civilian neighborhood watch/walk program in their area. Also, I wanted to see if anyone in here wanted to replicate some of the other states and do a cookout/picnic type deal at a public park, once it gets warmer. March time frame. We seem to be spread out across the state a good deal, so maybe pick a common city park thats "close" to us all, and try to recruit some friends and aquaintances from our homes and ranges. Could be a nice way to make a statement and meet some people with similar interests. |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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WendelBrue wrote: I have a question for the common OCers. Do you OC or CC, if you're actually expecting something to happen, or feel the likelihood is higher. For the always argued point, that if someone is breaking the law with a gun, then you're going to be a prime target if they notice you have one, as opposed to CCing and then drawing on the last moment with them unsuspecting. I don't know how to tell if something is going to happen or not. I OC 90% of the time. If someone is breaking the law with a gun, they won't be OCing. They'll be CCing (which is why OC has historically been less regulated than CC). I don't worry about being suspected of a crime. I'm all for the right to OC, and I think plenty of times, almost more for convenience sake, I would in the future, (ie not wanting to quickly throw on a jacket or concealing shirt to go run into the store or something. Maybe even go for a walk around the neighborhood.) I've been talking to friends and family in NH about working with the PD and starting an OC civilian neighborhood watch/walk program in their area. That's an interesting idea. Let me know what they say. Also, I wanted to see if anyone in here wanted to replicate some of the other states and do a cookout/picnic type deal at a public park, once it gets warmer. March time frame. We seem to be spread out across the state a good deal, so maybe pick a common city park thats "close" to us all, and try to recruit some friends and aquaintances from our homes and ranges. Could be a nice way to make a statement and meet some people with similar interests. I'm game! There have been OC litter pickups, but not any OC picnics that I'm aware of. That would be fun. We just need to get enough people here on the NH board so that we can start organizing things like that. The best way to do that is to keep posting when you OC like I do so that others can see that people are doing it. Last edited on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 01:11 pm by LiveFreeOrDie |
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WendelBrue Regular Member
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For the OCing and being a prime target, I didn't mean as a suspect of the police. I mean if you're in a bank, or a convenient store, and a guy walks in with a gun, and he plans on eliminating obstacles and threats... and gun standing with a loaf of bread in his hands and a gun on his side (you) is going to be the first person he shoots. As opposed to CCing, and you look like a horrified victim until he's not ready or turned around or whatever, and then you draw and get him by surprise. Like I said, I'm not at all opposed to OCing, but I think it several instances, you're painting a giant red X on your chest, both for the criminal who sees you as a threat, and for the cop who only got "man pointing gun at people at convenient store", and when they show up they see you with a gun. Which, if you've drawn and are arresting the criminal... you look like a guy who's pointing a gun at people. Granted in that case it doesn't matter if you were CCing or OCing. But OCing can force you to be a part of the situation, as opposed to CCing gives you the right, and the opportunity to be part of the situation, if you so choose to be. If I were at the scene of an ongoing violent crime, then yes, with my experience and training, I would intervene. Which is not necessarily the best thing to do for someone like.. my mom, who CCs, but for the worst case scenario. To put it flatly, not everyone is smart enough and cool headed enough that they should carry a gun, and a very small percentage of those people, are smart enough, cool headed enough, and trained enough to make it wise to OC everywhere, even though, legally, it's still there right to do so. Sadly, people can't be prohibited from doing things because they're too stupid. Okay, so, to help get people involved. I'm going to post my OC experience for today. I walked all around town, in and out of stores and shops, talking to people, who didn't seem to mind that I was holding an M-4. I really think peoples views on OCing in Baghdad has improved, and I'm going to talk to my platoon about having a picnic in the area. :-) |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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WendelBrue wrote: For the OCing and being a prime target, I didn't mean as a suspect of the police. I mean if you're in a bank, or a convenient store, and a guy walks in with a gun, and he plans on eliminating obstacles and threats... and gun standing with a loaf of bread in his hands and a gun on his side (you) is going to be the first person he shoots. As opposed to CCing, and you look like a horrified victim until he's not ready or turned around or whatever, and then you draw and get him by surprise. There are pluses and minuses to OCing or CCing, but I've never heard of an OCer being targeted. Criminals want easy targets so they usually just steer clear when they see an OCer. I have heard of that happening. OCing = better education and better deterrence CCeing = better element of surprise |
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Every Living person has the right to Self protection. As for the OC picnic some towns and city have codes that keep guns out of city/town parks. Like my city the city of Claremont,NH has this code under parks and Rec. Sec. 12-67. Disorderly conduct. (a) No person shall disturb the peace and good order in any park by fighting, quarreling or wrangling with loud voice or shouts, threatening by violence to the person or property of others, or engaging in riotous clamor or tumult. (b) No person shall congregate with others in a public place and refuse to comply with a lawful order of the police or the director to disperse or leave the park. (c) No person, except peace officers or other law enforcement officers, shall have or carry any pistol, switchblade, hunting knife, slingshot, dagger, metal knuckles or other dangerous weapons concealed on or about his person while in the park. (d) No person shall use obscene, profane or abusive language while in the park. (e) No person shall loiter in or near toilet buildings or parking areas. (Ord. No. 171, § 10(A), 9-14-77) Chapter 12 parks and Recreation, Division 3 Regulations.. Now it was put on the books in 77 and has not been updated but it's still a city code. But by NH law as of 2003 when RSA 159:26 went into law it killed all city/town codes having to do with guns and said only the state can set laws about firearms. TITLE XII PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE CHAPTER 159 PISTOLS AND REVOLVERS State Jurisdiction Section 159:26 159:26 Firearms and Ammunition; Authority of the State. – I. To the extent consistent with federal law, the state of New Hampshire shall have authority and jurisdiction over the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Except as otherwise specifically provided by statute, no ordinance or regulation of a political subdivision may regulate the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Nothing in this section shall be construed as affecting a political subdivision's right to adopt zoning ordinances for the purpose of regulating firearms businesses in the same manner as other businesses or to take any action allowed under RSA 207:59. II. Upon the effective date of this section, all municipal ordinances and regulations not authorized under paragraph I relative to the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearm components, ammunition, or firearms supplies shall be null and void. Source. 2003, 283:2, eff. July 18, 2003. But here's the thing I can not get a ruling on the matter. I have called the city police department and they said talk with the city about it. I called the NH Attorney General about their understanding on the law and if they read it the way i do. I called 3 times and no one will talk to me they keep sending me to voice mail. So if there is a law on the books in your town/city and you carry in a park they may still arrest you. |
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I have talked with lawers about the interpretation of that law. And the response I got from all of them, is the city has no authority to prohibit firearms in public areas, such as parks. They may still post signs, but State law over-rules and the city would be at fault to arrest you. The law itself is pretty self explanatory. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Preemption covers this: 159:26 Firearms and Ammunition; Authority of the State. – I. To the extent consistent with federal law, the state of New Hampshire shall have authority and jurisdiction over the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Except as otherwise specifically provided by statute, no ordinance or regulation of a political subdivision may regulate the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. We continue to fight this fight in Washington as well. You'll find that although it is posted it is not something that is not enforced by local law enforcement. Its taken us a while but we still attend various meetings for the cities & counties in our area getting them to repeal the ordinances and replace the signs. I have some sample letters if interested. Last July we did an OC picnic at a County park that was posted "no firearms." I believe we had in excess of 40 folks show up in addition we had a candidate for County commissioner, a deputy sheriff, as well as a candidate for Superior Court Judge show up. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/11576-1.html |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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NewHampshireNative, that law you cited is null and void due to New Hampshire's preemption law. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XII/159/159-26.htm |
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I know but people still think they do not have to follow the law. I still think and have no plan to test it. That if i was to try and Concealed carry/open carry in the park they would still arrest me. If not for that law for any other law they could get me on. Then in turn they would claim that I'm unfit for my Concealed carry permit and try and pull that. As i have a family i can not afford to go to jail. Even if the court will over turn it and let me go. That being said i would not mind setting up a Open carry BBQ in the park. But again i have a feeling when i go to fill out the paper work for the permit to rent the space.They will tell me that i can not rent it for that reason and so on and so on. |
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LiveFreeOrDie Opt-Out Member
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NewHampshireNative wrote: I know but people still think they do not have to follow the law. I still think and have no plan to test it. That if i was to try and Concealed carry/open carry in the park they would still arrest me. If not for that law for any other law they could get me on. Then in turn they would claim that I'm unfit for my Concealed carry permit and try and pull that. As i have a family i can not afford to go to jail. Even if the court will over turn it and let me go. That being said i would not mind setting up a Open carry BBQ in the park. But again i have a feeling when i go to fill out the paper work for the permit to rent the space.They will tell me that i can not rent it for that reason and so on and so on. I'm 99.9% sure they wouldn't arrest you. If they would, I'm 100% you would win. I'll OC in a park, and LOTS of people have open carried in parks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7S_zVzDbJM These laws don't get enforced as everyone knows they're not enforceable. It might be worthwhile to show up to city council and tell them to remove them though. If you want to go and ask for them to be removed, I'll be there and speak in support of it. We need to start speaking up. |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: NewHampshireNative wrote:Having what removed? The law? I asked they said it would not happen then they told me to call back next week and talk with the park and Rec's Main guy. But what i think is funny is that they have no sign's posted at the parks about it. I think part of it i did to my self. I found the law and being the need to know person I am i called and asked about the law. At that point i was told i would be the test case. Sounds like you are from Manchester and i would not want to have you drive two hours to come up here to deal with this. It does suck that no one is around my area.I know but people still think they do not have to follow the law. I still think and have no plan to test it. That if i was to try and Concealed carry/open carry in the park they would still arrest me. If not for that law for any other law they could get me on. Then in turn they would claim that I'm unfit for my Concealed carry permit and try and pull that. As i have a family i can not afford to go to jail. Even if the court will over turn it and let me go. That being said i would not mind setting up a Open carry BBQ in the park. But again i have a feeling when i go to fill out the paper work for the permit to rent the space.They will tell me that i can not rent it for that reason and so on and so on. Last edited on Thu Dec 25th, 2008 12:32 am by NewHampshireNative |
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The local ordinance doesn't matter, but if you want it removed, you'll need to talk to the city council. The best way to do it is to hire an attorney and have a judge strike it from the books. |
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If you need support in overturning an illegal local ordinance, I suggest hooking up with the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. They're mostly focused on the General Court and statewide issues, but you can definitely find help there. |
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That local ordianance only prohibits concealed carry in a park. Thus you must open carry to comply with the illegal local ordianance. |
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JUMPMASTER wrote: That local ordianance only prohibits concealed carry in a park. Thus you must open carry to comply with the illegal local ordianance. That's interesting, but irrelevant as the local ordinance is wholly null and void. |
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JUMPMASTER wrote: That local ordianance only prohibits concealed carry in a park. Thus you must open carry to comply with the illegal local ordianance. What law did you read? As the Local code i posted said carrying a pistol. It did not say you could carry it open and not concealed. It said you can not carry one at all open or concealed. But as RSA 159:26 has come into law it does not really matter all that much now does it? Back to the Open carry picnic i was going over it more and more. I would love to set one up and would love to try and get the Ridley report to cover it and would love to try and get WMUR news 9 to come and cover it. Is there any one in my end of the woods? |
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(c) No person, except peace officers or other law enforcement officers, shall have or carry any pistol, switchblade, hunting knife, slingshot, dagger, metal knuckles or other dangerous weapons concealed on or about his person while in the park. |
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XII/159/159-26.htm I. To the extent consistent with federal law, the state of New Hampshire shall have authority and jurisdiction over the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Except as otherwise specifically provided by statute, no ordinance or regulation of a political subdivision may regulate the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearms components, ammunition, or firearms supplies in the state. Nothing in this section shall be construed as affecting a political subdivision's right to adopt zoning ordinances for the purpose of regulating firearms businesses in the same manner as other businesses or to take any action allowed under RSA 207:59. II. Upon the effective date of this section, all municipal ordinances and regulations not authorized under paragraph I relative to the sale, purchase, ownership, use, possession, transportation, licensing, permitting, taxation, or other matter pertaining to firearms, firearm components, ammunition, or firearms supplies shall be null and void. |
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I have been concealed carrying lately because of the cold, but came across this today and thought it was interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlpXRRC8QHo |
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I consider myself your typical, well-educated male human being but I am not getting any of this at all. I totally understand the desire to own and carry a gun, but come on people. Walking around town and "testing" the response of the local police and citizens is not the way to go to further or solidify your cause. All this does is cause unnecessary anxiety, tension and ill-feelings among the voters. This is a sure way for the other side to build a legitimate case and win the majority over to removing our rights. One guy walked in Concord in broad daylight with 2 OC weapons and wondered why the cops questioned him ? C'mon people... |
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PeterMo wrote: I totally understand the desire to own and carry a gun Then we're halfway there. Walking around town and "testing" the response of the local police and citizens is not the way to go to further or solidify your cause. First of all, I don't OC to test anything. I OC for my protection first and foremost. In addition, it is more comfortable, creates a larger deterrent effect and has the added bonus of reminding criminals and governments that the good people of New Hampshire are armed. It also puts guns more into everyday life, which is a good thing. The fact that people are scared of guns and my rights are therefore sometimes violated comes along with that. However, OCing is a way to get people used to what they don't like. People fear what they aren't used to...making it more common place reduces that fear... I've seen it work. Also, I don't know what your cause is but mine is to protect my family and be an indepndent and free person. OC hasn't harmed that one bit. In fact, police departments are starting to respond better and average citizens are as well. All this does is cause unnecessary anxiety, tension and ill-feelings among the voters. Perhaps with time, the anxiety coupled with nothing bad happening will cause some to realize the illogical nature of their anxieties. This is a sure way for the other side to build a legitimate case and win the majority over to removing our rights. Whereas if we don't OC at all, we've already lost our right to OC. A right unexercised is a right lost. Btw, open carry has always been more accepted and less regulated than concealed carry. In most jurisdictions, it does not require a license, unlike concealed carry. many consider OC to be the right protected by the US Constitution when it says "bear arms." Your fear that there will be a backlash has not happened anywhere, let alone in gun-friendly New Hampshire. It has allowed gun owners to come out of the closet and stop being ashamed of performing their civic duty of gun ownership. One guy walked in Concord in broad daylight with 2 OC weapons and wondered why the cops questioned him ? C'mon people... First of all, he didn't have two guns. Some screwball thought his cell phone was a gun. Second of all, who cares if he did??! Are two guns significantly more dangerous than one? And no, I'm not surprised the police violated his 2nd and 4th Amendment rights, but I will continue to stand against such violations. BTW, It would be nice if people would start their own threads instead of posting off-topic things on this one. I stated the purpose of this thread when I started it and complaining about OC was not one of the purposes. It would also be nice if a mod would split this off so it can have a discussion thread of its own. Last edited on Tue Jan 6th, 2009 10:33 pm by LiveFreeOrDie |
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NewHampshireNative wrote:Having what removed? The law? I asked they said it would not happen then they told me to call back next week and talk with the park and Rec's Main guy. But what i think is funny is that they have no sign's posted at the parks about it. I think part of it i did to my self. I found the law and being the need to know person I am i called and asked about the law. At that point i was told i would be the test case. Sounds like you are from Manchester and i would not want to have you drive two hours to come up here to deal with this. It does suck that no one is around my area. There are plenty of people (myself and husband included) that are around your area that would most likely come and support a change like this, but in order to speak or vote at a town meeting (which is most likely where you would get this removed from your town ordinances) don't you have to live in the town? Usually that's the case. Do you know any of your neighbors that own/carry guns that might be interested in this? How about heading to the local range and talking to folks there or asking to hang an announcement on their bulletin boards seeking local supporters. (just some thoughts...) |
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Open carried at Siam Orchid on Main Street in Concord with my girl friend. One of the older proprietors asked me if I was a police officer and I smiled and said I wasn't. She said "oh...why you carry?" and pointed to my pistol. I told her self defense and she smiled broadly and nodded, saying "that's legal?" I said it was. We chatted for a few more minutes before paying our bill, leaving a large tip. The service was great and the food was very good (I'd never had Pad Thai before). I recommend this restaurant. |
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That i do not know about. I would think so. What town are you in? As for the local range. We do not have any ranges in Claremont,NH they had one for the local police department but they shut it down. After people asked for it to be. |
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OCed at Pizza Hut in Concord at dinner with my girlfriend. No looks, comments or problems so a good experience  . |
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OCed at hanifords in hudson sunday 3/8/09. it felt like no one even noticed to be honest. i had a black coat with a black holster and glock (black), though it was obious if you actually looked at me since my coat was tucked around it. Over all a good experience. a bit more apprehensive doing the same in the summer in shorts and t-shirt, but within a few friends i would consider it. |
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xylyx3d wrote: OCed at hanifords in hudson sunday 3/8/09. it felt like no one even noticed to be honest. i had a black coat with a black holster and glock (black), though it was obious if you actually looked at me since my coat was tucked around it. Over all a good experience. Glad to have you here. Keep posting updates! |
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DanGarand Regular Member
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Since my last post Ive OCed at the Newington mall, Dicks, Olympia Sports, Olive Garden, Fridays, Ruby Tuesdays, The 99, Sprint, Wal-mart, Brooks, CVS, Walgreens, GNC, Radio Shack, Few different pizza joints, Subway, Voting in Exeter, NH Liquor store, multiple Citizen's Bank locations, Shaws, Stop and Shop, Market Basket, Dunkin Donuts, Dog Daycare center With pretty much no incident with the exception of funny looks and whats posted below. At Sprint I was asked "what are you afraid of" At Wal-mart I was told to cover my pistol(which I can't) by a man ringing me out at the fun section in Wal-mart. After I told him why I couldn't he just asked me to leave it in the car next time so not to scare people. This was isolated as I am in wal-mart buying blazer brass quite often. At one of the pizza places I was asked if I was a Parole Officer and ended up having a very supportive discussion about my case and open carry with the man. At Subway I was asked by a woman patron why I carried like that. She also asked what I felt I needed a gun for but was fairly responsive to my answers and very polite. At the NH Liquor Store I was asked to leave immediately by the manager. He told me he could not let me in with a gun. The woman behind the counter told me I shouldn't carry a gun into the store especially because of robberies. I agreed with her part about robberies but explained that was precisely why I should be allowed in. They were not hearing any of it. I disarmed and went back in. I OC in the liquor store every time I go so this was an isolated incident. Ill be back to check in later 4 more days till court wish me luck! PS I open carry a Sig 226 with polished flats in a Blackhawk CQC level 2 just for reference. Last edited on Sat Mar 14th, 2009 01:58 am by DanGarand |
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DanGarand wrote: At the NH Liquor Store I was asked to leave immediately by the manager. He told me he could not let me in with a gun. The woman behind the counter told me I shouldn't carry a gun into the store especially because of robberies. I agreed with her part about robberies but explained that was precisely why I should be allowed in. They were not hearing any of it. I disarmed and went back in. I OC in the liquor store every time I go so this was an isolated incident. Aren't the liquor stores owned by the state? I would follow up with this as I don't think they have the right to discriminate against any patron on the basis of exercising a constitutional right and the law clearly allows you to carry there. |
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Agreed. Which liquor store? Was it an isolated incident at this particular store, or do you shop at more than one, only hassled at this particular one? |
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This was at the Hampton, NH location on the highway. I have never had an issue at any other location. Since this incident I have open carried into the Hampton store a few times with no problems. The Manager that gave me a hard time looked like a retired cop or security guard who was afraid of guns and unaware of the law in NH. I did take his name and threatened to call his superior but it wasn't much more than a threat. I have a lot on my plate right now with my case coming up and a complaint I am putting in to the police in my town. So I didn't follow up, but next time it happens I certainly will. |
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I OC'ed at the NH Liquor Store in Concord, NH. I interacted with 3 employees as I tried to find out if they could special order a Whisky I wanted. No problems there. If the NH Liquor Store is owed by the state you should have ever right to be there with your firearm. I'd have said, "Because of robberies are the exact reason I keep myself armed and prepared." |
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i OCed to the local gas station near my mothers place then later went to Stop-N-shop along with Family dollar...and not one issue. |
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Just got back from Hannafords out in Northwood.spent approx 20-30mins wondering around trying to figure out what i wanted(never go shopping when your hungry) not once while i was in there did i have any issues.no comments,evil looks,etc.Odd thing is,when i came out and started heading towards where i parked.i happen to turn and look to my left before stepping off the curb and noticed a Northwood P.O. standing next to the passenger side of his cruiser and he was talking on his cell phone.first thing i thought was "Hmm,wonder if someone went and called in about a Man with a gun report." so while i did the 30-60sec walk to the car.i kept expecting him to come up behind me and start questioning me...to my surprise,i glance at the reflection in the drivers window(which allowed me to look overmy shoulder without turning around) to see noone behind me.so i turn around and the PO was gone(his cruiser still there double parked in firelane of course).waited a few minutes after loading up groceries to see if maybe he was called about me,went in to talk with manager and get a discription and then come out looking for me,but he didn't so i left without incident. i was worried for nothing due to the recent OC/Police incidents in Concord and Nashua.Can't wat till this Sunday to see what kind of turnout we're gonna have for the Concord OC trash cleanup..which made the media(not a major one but it's still gets the word out) http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090320/NEWS01/903200409 gotta say,out of the 1.5yrs i've been OCing.i only had one person question me and that was a neighbor.went smoothly and lasted like 30secs |
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nh92d wrote: Just got back from Hannafords out in Northwood.spent approx 20-30mins wondering around trying to figure out what i wanted(never go shopping when your hungry) There was some call (over the police radio) about some complaint at Hannaford about someone being uncooperative about 15-20 minutes ago. I didn't hear exactly what it was about. Would be funny if it was you. |
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doobie42 wrote: nh92d wrote:Just got back from Hannafords out in Northwood.spent approx 20-30mins wondering around trying to figure out what i wanted(never go shopping when your hungry) If it was...i don't remember being uncooperative. |
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OCed at a shell gas station in nashua today, no one even noticed, including my father who was there with me (very odd). need to go to wal-mart in hudson today but nervous about OCing there. i prefer at this point to be with some one since i am still a "kid" in most peoples eye's |
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I OC'd in Concord today, someone called the police on me, but by the time the officers showed up, I was long gone. Isn't that always how it is? Lol. |
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..i meant to post this yesterday.. Went to walmart in Concord in the morning(approx 7am) spent about half hour walking around in there all while OCing.then after getting home i remembered i needed to do laundry...so back to Concord(closest Laundromat).OCed there then stopped at Shaws on Loudon rd and spent about 20mins in there(still OCing). Not once did anyone comment,give me the evil eye (that i noticed) anything..  Why can't i get attention like Doobie...  (that's it,i need to start double OCing...?) |
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nh92d wrote: Not once did anyone comment,give me the evil eye (that i noticed) anything.. Ummm...what?  The fact that you did not get any dirty looks is a f---ing good thing!! If you are doing this to get noticed you are doing it for the wrong reason. We want this to be a normal non-event, and with time, as it becomes more commonplace it will be. In the meantime, we are hoping to get the few people who do not understand about self-defense to see that guns are not a threat to them. Every non-event day is a good day. Every day you get harassed for your rights is a bad one (duh?) and by posting about it on the forums, you can teach others how to deal with harassment in the future and decrease the chances of it happening again.  |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: nh92d wrote:Not once did anyone comment,give me the evil eye (that i noticed) anything.. I think he's joking because I've been stopped twice in the last ~4 months for open carrying by the cops. And once dispatch sent them to find me but I was no longer in the area. |
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nh92d wrote:..i meant to post this yesterday.. WOW DUDE, YOU DON'T WANT TO ATTRACT ATTENTION! please if you want attention don't do it this way! screwing around with our rights is NOT a good idea as it hurts all of us equally not just you! and if this is a joke it's not funny. carry, carry responsible, and be glad when it is a non-issue as that is how it should be! |
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Doobie got it but nobody else did...notice the big grin.. ok,maybe i should of used the  icon to show i was joking..Honestly,i'm very glad i don't get neg attention..cause when caught off guard,i get tongue tied and would probably end up sounding like some Idiot that shouldn't be carrying.. sorry for confusion.. BTW-was just outside and saw three wild turkeys walk across the field.couldn't get camera fast enough before they were out of range.they were on the small side too.. Last edited on Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 04:30 pm by nh92d |
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nh92d wrote: Doobie got it but nobody else did...notice the big grin.. Oh ok...sorry I didn't get the joke. |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: nh92d wrote:Doobie got it but nobody else did...notice the big grin.. I was stopped by the concord police in December for carrying a flashlight and OCing.... Someone thought it was a second gun... they never did tell me if it would have been okay if it was a second gun... they seemed to indicate that it would have been ok.... so I had an OC litter clean up carrying two guns...and someone else showed up as well carrying two... it was pretty cool. |
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After a lunch get together with some folks in Concord today.Doobie and i went for a walk up loudon road then back down to Main st.After me and him parted ways i continued on for another 30-40 mins.i walked up several blocks,crossed over and then back down Main st(all the while making sure that my strongside was towards traffic) and didn't have any issues though i did have a member of the Concord Police dept drive by me turn around then drive by again(on the slow side),but he didn't stop. I continued my walk back to where i was parked almost expecting to see another cruiser(or same one) drive up but that didn't happen.did some shopping at Market Basket without any issues either..  |
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There was a Porc 411 earlier today about someone being stopped in Concord after someone called the police to report a MWAG. Was that doobie? The Porc report indicated the person refused to give his name and was released when he asked if he was "free to go". |
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may have been cause he told us that he was stopped by police and questioned before we had our get together.he didn't say if he called Porc 411 though. |
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timf343 wrote: There was a Porc 411 earlier today about someone being stopped in Concord after someone called the police to report a MWAG. Was that doobie? Twas moi... It's getting better the first time was 3 officers, 2nd time 2, this third time was 1...perhaps the next time will be 0! |
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I OCed in Concord to pick up dinner at Tea Garden and got an ice cream cone with my girl friend at the place on Fisherville Road on the way to visit friends. While at the ice cream place, a guy behind me asked "so did you go to the tea party today?" meaning the tax protests in Concord and Manchester. I told him I hadn't and he said he hadn't been able to make them either. Then he asked what I was carrying and I told him. He told me what caliber he prefered (told me the 9mm I was carrying wasn't good enough). The girl at the window asked "were you guys talking about the tax protest? My boy friend went but I had to be in class...I wanted to go." I got my ice cream told that man I hoped I'd see him around and left. It was a very pleasant exchange and it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't been OCing. Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 01:06 am by LiveFreeOrDie |
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OC'd a few places around Nashua. Went to the local McDonald's. Waited for my food for almost 8 min. I was talking to another patron who noticed my 1911. He chatted about it. When the food came, we each went to our own tables. The manager approached me and gave me two free hamburger cards for the wait... he gave them JUST to me. I said he really didn't need to, but thanked him. He didn't do anything for the other guy. I left them on the counter as I left. Felt only right. I've had no problems if people notice I have it, but have yet to have any problems like Doobie. Why is he the attention magnet? It's the AR pistol probably... Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 02:57 am by CmdrFenix |
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CmdrFenix wrote: I've had no problems if people notice I have it, but have yet to have any problems like Doobie. Why is he the attention magnet? It's the AR pistol probably... My feeling is that if you're getting that much attention, you're asking for it. The AR pistol and a few other comments I've seen Doobie make about how you can carry so you'll be noticed make me think he's trying to be noticed. |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: CmdrFenix wrote:I've had no problems if people notice I have it, but have yet to have any problems like Doobie. Why is he the attention magnet? It's the AR pistol probably... I've only carried the AR pistol once at that was for the photo. I'm stopped with just carrying my sig239. Of course I do tend to walk around Concord for 2 hours when I get stopped. I also tend to wear clothing that will make my pistol stand out (light clothing as my pistol/holster are black). The last two times I was also carrying two spare mags openly, and my tacti-cool torch. Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 08:43 pm by doobie |
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doobie wrote: LiveFreeOrDie wrote:CmdrFenix wrote:I've had no problems if people notice I have it, but have yet to have any problems like Doobie. Why is he the attention magnet? It's the AR pistol probably... I seem to also remember you saying you loosened your belt so that the pistol would swing or something?? Some people will notice open carry, but that shouldn't be the goal. |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:CmdrFenix wrote:I've had no problems if people notice I have it, but have yet to have any problems like Doobie. Why is he the attention magnet? It's the AR pistol probably... Heck no do a loosen my belt. A loose belt makes drawing harder. |
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It's kind of sad that so many people are so freaked out by excersizing a civil right. No one calls the cops when I put a bumper sticker on my car. No one calls the cops if I go to church (or dont go). I dont have the cops showing up when I go to vote. I think it's great that people are educating the sheeple out there, keep it up! |
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Number of calls over the police radio for open carrying in Concord, NH today. No suspect detained. "Description sounds like 'That Activist'" |
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doobie wrote: Number of calls over the police radio for open carrying in Concord, NH today. No suspect detained. "Description sounds like 'That Activist'" Great! Hopefully, they'll stop harassing you. Persistence pays. Good work! |
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I OC'd while walking down my street into hopkinton with my son in a front carrier (2 months). My wife commented that someone was going to call 911 and report a man with a baby and a gun...... None of the neighbors did much more than wave and say hi while raking leaves and cleaning yards. Haven't made it into downtown Concord while OC yet. |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: doobie wrote:Number of calls over the police radio for open carrying in Concord, NH today. No suspect detained. "Description sounds like 'That Activist'" NOPE! Can't be that lucky! 6th incident/4th detention tonight this evening... Why do I only get stopped in Concord? I'd like to get stopped elsewhere! If this officer stops me again I will question him why he keeps detaining me when I'm "That Activist from <my town>." |
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when are you going for a walk down main street next? I'll tag along with my 1911 |
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Jeremy2141 wrote: when are you going for a walk down main street next? I'll tag along with my 1911 Possibly tomorrow evening. There is an event up in Bristol and I may leave the house 30-45 minutes early to OC if someone wants to tag along. Send me an email at "Open Carry NH (at) gm ail " (no spaces) and If you send your number I can give you a call ~20 minutes prior to me being there; otherwise I can give you an estimate of when. |
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I open carried with my girl friend at Friendly's restaurant in Concord. While we were eating our ice cream, a young boy that looked about seven or eight asked "are you a police officer?" I turned to face him with a smile and said "no, buddy, I'm a regular guy." He said "well, what's that?" pointing at my sidearm. I said "it's a pistol." He asked why I had it and I said so I could protect myself and the people I love. His dad chimed in and said "lots of people carry guns." I got up, introduced myself and my wife and shook the mother and father's hands. The boy then asked what I had to do to be able to carry a pistol. I told him I didn't have to get permission, but then said if I wanted to cover it up, I had to get permission from the police. I showed him my CCL. The father thanked me for sharing. They were a very nice family and it was a pleasure meeting them. |
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I'm thinking of open carrying an empty holster to see if I get detained. I wonder if I'll get detained? |
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doobie wrote: I'm thinking of open carrying an empty holster to see if I get detained. I wonder if I'll get detained? with your luck,they'll detain you and question you endlessly about where the gun is.. |
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nh92d wrote: doobie wrote:I'm thinking of open carrying an empty holster to see if I get detained. I wonder if I'll get detained? That's fine, I'll be asking if I am free to go and that I don't consent to being detained for no reason. |
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Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. |
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doobie Regular Member
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Did you drive between places or did you walk? I just ordered a couple of "I'm lawfully carrying my pistol(s), please don't call the police" t-shirts. We'll see how those work out |
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doobie wrote: LiveFreeOrDie wrote:Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. We walked. Walked around Concord for about 3 hours. |
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doobie Regular Member
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Were you wearing dark clothing with a dark pistol? |
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doobie wrote: LiveFreeOrDie wrote:doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. No. Light clothing, dark pistol. Not on purpose. That just happens to be the shirt I put on this morning. Last edited on Sun May 10th, 2009 03:52 am by LiveFreeOrDie |
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doobie Regular Member
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Many cops driving around? Did you walk with your pistol toward or away from the road? Last edited on Sun May 10th, 2009 03:53 am by doobie |
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doobie wrote: LiveFreeOrDie wrote:doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:doobie wrote:LiveFreeOrDie wrote:Open Carried in Concord all day. We stopped at Einstein Bros. Bagels on Ft. Eddy Road, Joe Kings Shoe Shop, some antique store and then went to Wal-Mart. No issues, but did get one positive compliment while in the Wal-Mart parking lot. I have no idea. I did my shopping in the usual way. When I was walking one way the pistol faced the road, when I walked the other way it was not. Just like all the times I've OCed in Concord. |
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I went shopping at the Shaw's in Lancaster during PorcFest with my 10 yr old son while OC'ing my SIG P229 .40 No one said anything until I was finally in line. I ended up waiting in line for a good 20 minutes because of some mix-up with the purchase in front of me. While waiting, the cashier finally noticed my sidearm and piped up (with a scowl) "You carry a camera AND a gun?? That's really making me nervous" To which I replied "How would you feel if I were a police officer?" She said, "I'd feel much safer since a police officer has a badge." I then responded, "That badge gives the policeman a license to use his gun however he sees fit without fear of going to prison for it. If I use my gun in a way that isn't for self-protection, I'll go to prison. Does that make you feel safer around the cop or me? I certainly don't want to go to prison." She responded after a moments pause "I suppose you have a point..." We stood around as she waited for management to come fix her register and I chatted with her and other FSP'ers without further questioning about my firearm. Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 08:03 pm by nealaus |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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I OC'd in the Lancaster Shaw's (waaaaay back in '06) with nary a glance. Same for the state liquor store next door. Even in God's Country, there are those who have been brainwashed. |
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Open carried at Outback Steakhouse in Concord on Halloween. I had a guy get my attention and say "hey, is that real?" I told him it was with a smile. He said "I thought it had to be concealed." I said "no, but most people choose to carry concealed. I was carrying concealed, but left my coat in the car." We then talked a bit about how crime is such that it's a good idea to carry. At that point, his buddy came over and, as he was sitting down, says "hey, nice piece!" I've also open carried at Lowes, Market Basket and Citizens Bank. I still have no problems when doing so. |
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LiveFreeOrDie wrote: Open carried at Outback Steakhouse in Concord on Halloween. I had a guy get my attention and say "hey, is that real?" I told him it was with a smile. He said "I thought it had to be concealed." I said "no, but most people choose to carry concealed. I was carrying concealed, but left my coat in the car." We then talked a bit about how crime is such that it's a good idea to carry. +1!!!!!! here in maine i have issues everywhere expect saco. wal-mart even frowns appon it sometimes......sheesh i needa move! |
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jay75009 wrote: i needa move! Yeah. http://freestateproject.org/ Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 12:19 am by LiveFreeOrDie |
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