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OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > Delaware > Did an open carrier in Delaware fire in self-defense?
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| OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > Delaware > Did an open carrier in Delaware fire in self-defense?
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Mike Super Moderator
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See http://www.baltimoresun2.com/talk/showthread.php?p=3990654 - anybody have info on this? |
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captchuck Activist Member
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This guy needed all our support especially if the police take any action against him!!! Go to Delaware Open Carry http://www.deloc.org for more details. |
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captchuck Activist Member
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Direct link: http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20081125/NEWS/81125036/1006 |
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XD-GEM Activist Member 
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captchuck wrote: This guy needed all our support especially if the police take any action against him!!! Go to Delaware Open Carry http://www.deloc.org for more details. I can't get into the site. ETA: Working now. Last edited on Thu Nov 27th, 2008 05:00 am by XD-GEM |
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TFred Regular Member
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XD-GEM wrote: captchuck wrote:This guy needed all our support especially if the police take any action against him!!! Go to Delaware Open Carry http://www.deloc.org for more details. There's an extra space character in the target of the link (hover with your mouse and you will see the problem if your browser status field is enabled). Again, this BB software is for the birds. I hope they don't pay a lot for it!  And I know it doesn't cost me anything to use, so I shouldn't complain...  The correct link is http://www.deloc.org/ (The problem with this software is that once you put the link in wrong, it's nearly impossible to fix it, even with the Edit function. You have to completely delete the old link, and insert it all over again from scratch. Edits to the link only correct the text label, not the underlying link itself, even if the text label appears to be a link.) TFred |
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TFred Regular Member
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From this message thread: http://www.deloc.org/deloc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=770 Sounds like the shooter is ... the Co-Founder of... the Delaware Open Carry forum, and also that the would-be robber (the bad guy) is now claiming he was the victim of a robbery attempt! I hope they are smart enough to figure this all out correctly, and that there are eventually charges filed... against the two would-be robbers! TFred ETA: not a participant, but the co-founder of the forum! Last edited on Thu Nov 27th, 2008 05:12 am by TFred |
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TFred Regular Member
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And if you're interested in reading the reader comments from the newspaper report... The newspaper has two different articles (my local paper does this too, and it's most annoying...) The two articles are here, first comments are at the bottom of the pages, so work your way backwards if you want to read them in order: First article comments Second article comments Of course the second one may change as more comments are added... TFred (who apparently has too much time on his hands at the moment...) |
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hsmith Regular Member 
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I love the story, the robber claimed that a band of men, at their own house, tried to rob him Best of luck to our fellow OC'er It seems pretty clear cut |
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Mike Super Moderator
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TFred wrote: Sounds like the shooter is ... the Co-Founder of... the Delaware Open Carry forum, and also that the would-be robber (the bad guy) is now claiming he was the victim of a robbery attempt! If anyone can confirm whether the victim was the co-founder, what his name was, and wheter he was open carrying at the time, please post here or notify me ASAP, thanks! |
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TFred Regular Member
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Mike wrote: TFred wrote:Sounds like the shooter is ... the Co-Founder of... the Delaware Open Carry forum, and also that the would-be robber (the bad guy) is now claiming he was the victim of a robbery attempt! Hi Mike, I made that statement based on reading all the posts on the thread I quoted earlier: http://www.deloc.org/deloc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=770 A username "dave_in_delaware" who first posted at the top of page 2 of that thread, is claiming to be the person involved. Their signature says "Co-Founder and Global Moderator", and all others involved in the thread are treating him as who he says he is. I'm not a member there, but perhaps you can sign up and get contact info from a profile, or at least drop him a note as moderator. TFred |
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Mike Super Moderator
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TFred wrote: Mike wrote:TFred wrote:Sounds like the shooter is ... the Co-Founder of... the Delaware Open Carry forum, and also that the would-be robber (the bad guy) is now claiming he was the victim of a robbery attempt! Do we have Dave's real name and contact info? |
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TFred Regular Member
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Mike wrote: TFred wrote:Mike wrote:TFred wrote:Sounds like the shooter is ... the Co-Founder of... the Delaware Open Carry forum, and also that the would-be robber (the bad guy) is now claiming he was the victim of a robbery attempt! I don't, but I would suppose you could get it if you set up a username on the Delaware Open Carry forum. TFred |
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LordJim Regular Member
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> Do we have Dave's real name and contact info? I'm willing to bet that YOU do, since he's also a registered user on this site. - Jim |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran 
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Hope all works out as it should. Good luck Dave in resolving this matter Last edited on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 07:00 am by Shorts |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member 
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Wow. News travels quickly over the Internet.... I can confirm that I'm "dave_in_delaware" on the DELOC forum, I'm the Co-Founder and Global Moderator of Delaware Open Carry, and I am the victim in those news articles.... As for contact info, I'd rather NOT have that made public, please. I'm sure you can understand my reasoning. You can easily contact me via PM (here on OCDO - I'm dave_in_delaware). So I don't know why anything more has to be posted on this public forum. And I don't understand the urgency of letting everyone in the world know my full name or contact info by posting my personal website here...  The investigation is still underway, so I can't elaborate any further on the incident. I do appreciate all of your support and prayers. Knowing people are in my corner helps us get through each day. Last edited on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 04:52 am by dave_in_delaware |
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TFred Regular Member
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dave_in_delaware wrote: Wow. News travels quickly over the Internet.... Although I certainly can't speak for Mike, who like you, is the Co-Founder of this forum, I would be willing to bet a fair amount of whatever that he was just looking to personally get in touch with you, and not to publicly disclose that information. His e-mail address is on this site, he'd probably be very pleased to hear from you. TFred |
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Theseus Founder's Club Member 
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I hope and trust that no one here was really intending on publishing your contact info. Mike is, to my understanding the founder of opencarry.org and thus his desire to get in contact with you. I trust all is well with you and hope that all ends well for you. dave_in_delaware wrote: Wow. News travels quickly over the Internet.... |
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Lafayette Carry Regular Member
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From down here in the Bayou state, we wish you the best. Glad that you are physically ok and waiting to hear once you are legally ok. Please keep us advised as you can. Take care. |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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I didn't mean to come across as rude, but posting my website address which leads to my name and contact info was... surprising to see on a site like this! Especially when you have no idea WHO may be watching the site for information, especially in light of Monday's events. A PM to me on this site would have been received..... Thanks again for your support! I do appreciate it! Last edited on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 06:23 am by dave_in_delaware |
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stephpd Regular Member 
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TFred wrote: dave_in_delaware wrote:I'm thinking that Mike would be looking to put out a press release that a member of his forum not only open carries but that he actually had to use it to defend his life. Stories like this are received quite well by the general population. It gives everyone hope that the whole world isn't caving in around them.Wow. News travels quickly over the Internet.... It's one thing for the press to cover open carry events, rulings in favor of the 2A but quite another to have folks actually defend themselves while under the pressure of an armed robbery. I just wish that before Mike puts out a press release he give Dave and his lawyer a chance to review it and make sure that personal information is kept to a minimum. This is an ongoing investigation and Dave shouldn't have quotes put in an article that may damage him later. Last edited on Fri Nov 28th, 2008 06:30 pm by stephpd |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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Best of luck to ya, Dave. |
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marshaul Activist Member 
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Dave, what are you freaking out about? Nobody published any private info here. As for your website, that's hardly private info.  |
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TFred Regular Member
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marshaul wrote: Dave, what are you freaking out about? Nobody published any private info here. As for your website, that's hardly private info. Before you jump to too many conclusions and say something that you may later regret, please don't forget that this forum allows posters to edit their posts well after they have been made. What you see right now is not what was the cause for concern at an earlier time. (One clue to look for in this regard is "Edit" times that are hours or even days after the original post was made, a tell-tale sign that content was adjusted at a later time.) Dave did have legitimate concerns based on what was posted earlier, but it has all been cleaned up now. TFred |
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marshaul Activist Member
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I'm not likely to regret anything I said here, because I have no stake in this. At any rate, there was only a single post that was edited before Dave's post, so it seemed unlikely that Dave was referring to an edited post. Guess I was wrong. Also, there's privacy, and then there's public sight. Which category do you suppose a website falls under? |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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There was concern for my "privacy" in that it seemed like many people were trying to figure out a way to contact me, and posted my website URL here. Not that a webpage is private... But to make it easily accessed (and found) in this particular thread scared me a little. Anyone (including a friend of the robbers) could have easily learned my full name, phone number (and by that my address), and saw what I looked like (photo). I'm sure if something like this happened to you, you'd be a little worried about too much of your info being easily accessible in one thread... and you'd prefer to err on the side of caution. |
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marshaul Activist Member
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I understand your concern, but as Boston T Party says, privacy is something you establish and hope you never need, not something you can achieve once you need it.  |
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sprat Regular Member 
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I know dave personally, he is one of few on this site who did what was right and doesn't need to broadcast his personal info to all of us. We ( meaning members here and at Deloc ) want Dave to go through this tough time with the least amount of pain after all he is the victim. if you want to communicate send him a PM enough already!! this thread should be the top thread on this bloody site, instead of some of the brain dead topics and repeat topic's that are posted here back off and show some support sprat |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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Easy guys, EASY!! All is OK in the world now. I don't want any arguing on my account... I'm glad I have all of you on my side and supporting me. I greatly appreciate it! |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Good Luck Dave, I'm an prior resident of Dover for 15 years, and still have lots of current friend contacts down there.. I've got high hopes of making my way back there permanantly some day, I miss the Atlantic flyway and the Deer herd! |
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Sonora Rebel Regular Member 
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So... the cops hold the 'victim's gun as evidence? What? You get jacked on the street bu a pair of thugs... shoot in self defense. 'Admit you shot in self defense.... What do they need the gun for? The comments were... for the most part, 'lame'. All these comparisons to the 'Wild West' especially. I live in the old 'Wild West'... 'n it's a damn site safer than back east among the nanny state sheeple. Self defense is a 'given' here at least. Some of those commentors wouldn't defend themselves if they had to. 'Hope ya get yer pistol back... SOON! Good luck with the weenie whiners. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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Been quietly watching from Va. and wishing you the best possible outcome. Yata hey |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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Well, it has been 8 weeks, and I still have not heard from anyone, about anything.  |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Surely your attorney has contacted the Attorney Generals office by now.. |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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I got a return call from my lawyer's secretary earlier this morning. She said "It's good news, and Mr. ------ sent you a letter yesterday. You should receive it either today or tomorrow." So, I guess none of the charges could/would stick!!! Whoo hoo!  I'll post the letter's contents later. This has been such a heavy burden on my mind for the past 2+ months. But the weight hs been lifted! I'm so happy!!! |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Presume that you already know the high points of the letter from the tone of your posting. Congratulations - hope your life can get back to normal soon! Yata hey |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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Great news, Dave. Hopefully, you will be able to share the details of how LE handled this event in the near future. |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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I got the letter on Saturday. Here's what it said (bold is mine):---- ----- Wow. I'm a witness? This might go to trial? At least no charges were (or could be) filed against me. Last edited on Tue Feb 10th, 2009 04:56 pm by dave_in_delaware |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Witness in what trial on what charges for what defendant? Here I thought it was all about you. Again, congratulations. Yata hey |
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GJD Regular Member
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congratulations. |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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Grapeshot wrote: Witness in what trial on what charges for what defendant? Sounds like Dave will be a witness for the prosecution, against the BG's. |
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Wynder State Researcher 
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Crossposted since the thread exists in two places in different forms. As many of you have already heard, the Delaware Attorney General's office has wisely decided to not press any chages against Dave_in_Delaware for defending his own life. Many thanks are owed to Dave for being brave during this time of his life and to his attorney for his invaluable aid in Dave's defense. Now that the battle is won, it's time to deal with the aftermath... Please offer your support with Dave's legal fee's -- click here and give today. More information about his legal status can be found here: http://www.deloc.org/deloc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=770&start=110 |
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dave_in_delaware Regular Member
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I wanted to "officially" go on record and express my deepest appreciation and admiration to ALL of you in the gun/shooting community! It moved me to tears (yes, seriously) to read Wynder's Notice yesterday, and to find an announcement on DELOC, PAFOA, here, and XDtalk. And the donations page that was set up was simply indescribable in words. In less than 6 hours people who I didn't even know and have never even met were donating their hard-earned money to help offset my legal fees. And some of the doners contributed such large sums! It truly moved me to tears, and humbled me, to realize that there is such a high level of friendship and support in the gun/shooting world. THANK YOU to EVERYONE for sticking by me, supporting me, and donating your prayers, thoughts, phone calls, and money to help me through this very troubling and emotional time in my life. I appreciate each and every one of you! THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH! |
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