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Lassiter Regular Member
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Another outrageous incident in a nonthreatening setting and, again, the perpetrator is a police officer. What is worse, (see video) is now the residents of the neighborhood want changes to "people carrying guns in their community". http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Couple-Claims-Off-Duty-Police-Officer-Shot-Their-Dog-Bruce-Willis.html |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member 
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Actually, that's all I need to know... Akita. They're known to have a bad attitude, especially if not trained correctly. Not many people know how to properly handle an akita, I know a person's family member at work as well who has a 5 year old akita who did bite their family member... 10 stitches. I'm not going to pre-judge, but if the akita was running towards the officer I'd shoot it too. Also, as another side note, REAL dog trainers will not touch the Akita breed. Just as they will not touch any breed which is half wolf. REAL trainers who train police dogs, will bash any akita breed to hell as an incompetant, irrationally angry, and a dog which they wouldn't want around their own family. |
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Aran Banned
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Frankly, Furball, you seem too anxious to shoot something, anything. Maybe you should sell your guns. Buy a nice new fursuit or something. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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Aran, well if a dangerous dog starts running towards you teeth bare and growling... I'll allow it to attack you while I will only call in to report it.  Also, reading more information on the story, the dog seemed to be an akita-pitbull mix. Pitbulls being fine strong dogs, but then mixed with an akita which is known there are many bad owners out there as pitbull owners, doesn't seem like a good mix to me for any situation. |
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nepawolf Regular Member 
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First off, I could barely hear that guy talking on the recording. If an Akita was barking in the background, I doubt the officer heard him. Second, a retractable leash on an akita is extremely irresponsible. Third, he said his dog got away from him. If you didn't hear him say that, that's why he heard and not saw him shoot his dog. The guy was not in control of a vicious dog, plain and simple. That's called being irresponsible. He really expects charges on the other guy? Get real. He should be charged. If that had been a kid walking a dog, and not on off duty cop, good odds that the kid would be dead. I'm sorry the dog is dead, I am. I love animals. But, this guy was out of his league with what he had. Besides which, apartments of that style usually ban large (and vicious) dogs. |
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captlou Regular Member
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in my days as a first responder with our community ambulance, i went to a call where an akita mix kinda like that bit this guys thumb off. It was HIS dog too!!! The best part of all of this was the fact that the dog still had the guys thumb and it was running around the house when we pulled the up to the house. As soon as we tried to open the unit, the dog came charging down the steps at us and chased us back in the unit. Luckily for us, we were a bunch of young guys and we all made it back in time :-) Fortunetly, the guy with the missing digit came down the steps and towards the unit followed by the dog who was growling and snapping at him and got in the unit. the guys son came down after we had him loaded up and tried to get his fathers thumb from the dog in hopes that it could be reattached. In the end, he had to shoot the dog because it bit him (he ended up with 12 stiches in his forearm) when he went for what was left of his fathers thumb. needless to say, it was too badly mangled to be reattached. That was like one of the first ambulance calls i was ever on too. What an experience that was. If it had charged me, i too would have shot it...and i love animals. my .02 lou Last edited on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 11:54 pm by captlou |
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agentw0 Regular Member 
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A dog presents quite a bit of danger to an Officer, especially if the Animal is precieved to be hostile. I am not for just shooting Dogs, but I will not just let one come and attack me either, especially if the owner cannot get it under control |
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Elkad Regular Member
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Are officers even trained how to tell an attacking dog from a playful one? Meter readers and postmen are. A stupid 20minute training video teaches reasonably well how to interprets a dogs intentions basically instantly. I saw dozens of dogs every day, trampling thru their yards on the way to the owners electric meter. I stayed away from a few. Got bit by a lot of tiny "cute" dogs that I knew were going to bite me, but they just weren't big enough to care about. But I only had a couple real incidents with "dangerous dogs", neither resulting in a bite. The officer was claims he was "afraid of being attacked". Actual threat? Poor training? Attempt at rationalizing a power trip? |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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Elkad wrote: Are officers even trained how to tell an attacking dog from a playful one? One word... Akita Another word(s) Akita-pitbull mix... oh yes... a good sturdy reliable family dog(pitbull) mixed with an dog which is protects it's territory and family to the death(Akita). |
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jahwarrior72 Regular Member 
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here we go with the dog profiling. other than my kids' pomeranian-chihuahua mix, i'd be hesitant to shoot any dog, regardless of it's breeds supposed built in behavior. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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jarwarrior... akitas are akitas... I know breeds fairly well. Malamutes are also like people say they are, though I put up with mine. It all has to do with how the owner will treat the dog. Akitas will always be defensive/aggressive to the point of uncontrol, ask any real trainer worth his salt. |
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jahwarrior72 Regular Member
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this is similar to the argument the Brady Bunch uses to vilify gun owners. stop sounding like a jackass. i know you're not one. "pit bulls are dangerous dogs; they're bred for fighting, and have jaws that will bite through Superman's ass. they can also jump 30 feet into the air, and are used only by gangbangers to bite rivals during drive by dog-walking." i've heard this bull@#$% for years, and it always sounds stupid. akitas, dobies, rotties, pits, they all get their turn. a dog is a dog. either you raise it well, or you don't. there's no excuse for having a people-aggressive dog. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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With all due respect, genetics do play a large part in the attitude of the dog. Certain dogs have a higher prey drive than others. Akitas happen to be very much so with the whole ignorance behavior which makes them a difficult breed. I deal with an ignorant breed, a malamute, which if I'm not careful even a butterfly will dissuade her attention from me. Akitas are one of the worst dogs you'll ever want to have around anyone which isn't in your pack/"family", and the possibility of the dog challenging your kids, though unlikely. If you want to be that ignorant and throw a red herring statement like the Brady Bunch, I'll ignore it. Go get information from real trainers who train PPD and police dogs, they'll just reiterate what I'm saying. If akitas were such good dogs, they'd use them for their work, and I can tell you they don't. Ask them about an Akita for a good protection dog and they'll laugh you off the phone. They'll inform you how terrible of an OB problem and prey drive which inflicts the breed. |
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nepawolf Regular Member
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The most important issue here seems to be the fact that the owner of the dog could not control it and it charged the officer. This isn't a whole lot different than a really big guy coming at you with a knife. Should Akita's be banned? No. However, if you refuse to control your animal properly and it assaults someone, your beloved pet does risk the chance of being killed. That ignores the fact that if it survives the attack, it's likely to be put to sleep anyways. If you have a dangerous breed of dog and it attacks someone due to your negligence, there should be charges pressed against you. I have no problem with people owning "dangerous breeds," but if you are irresponsible and endanger other people's lives, then you ought to be charged instead of going on the internet and complaining to the world how horrible it is that someone defended their life and killed your dog, and how he shouldn't have had a gun, blah blah blah. This is no different then someone walking down the street, carrying a firearm, and it going off accidentally and almost killing someone. The guy's negligence threatened someone elses life. For the record, I love animals. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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nepawolf wrote: Should Akita's be banned? No I agree. Just like people should be able to own a full wolf as a "pet" if they want. They should properly take care and use a fenced enclosure. With the incident from OP, the guy should've had a fenced yard with a "warning dangerous dog" sign. The dog owner's fault, not the cops, the anger from this thread being directed at the cop is WRONG. |
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old dog Regular Member
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It's time to acknowledge a tragic fact: There are too many cops out there who get up every day praying for a excuse to shoot somebody or something. Police work attracts those least fit for it. |
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Elkad Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo wrote: The dog owner's fault, not the cops, the anger from this thread being directed at the cop is WRONG. I'm not disputing that the owner may have been at fault. (Though for all we know, the cop's dog started the problem). That doesn't change the fact that too many cops don't even attempt to use non-lethal means on a dog, they just skip right to shooting it. Dog spray works in 99% of cases. Stun guns work 100%. Mr OffDuty probably didn't have either of those, but the dog was on a (long) leash, simply backing up would likely have worked. Cops should be held to a higher standard. It's part of the job. Last edited on Sun Feb 15th, 2009 06:24 pm by Elkad |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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Dog spray? As in pepper spray? Pepper spray's effects do not work immediately unlike what the movies will have you believe. If a dog breed I know is aggressive running towards me even say 2 golden retrievers and a mini dobie on the beach... guess what, I'm going to get me gun out and shoot every dog running towards me. I've had this happen once, and I was without ANY weapons. I jumped in front of my dog because it is what they were going after. I about kicked the tiny one in to the ocean, I was PISSED. Next time, I'm shooting them. There is no sense in a person having a unleashed dog or a dog he knows is aggressive in an uncontained area. Spray yourself in the eyes with "dog spray"/pepper spray, it takes a bit of time to take effect. Just make you're you're not rubbing your eyes and you're using a lot of water, cause it doesn't make it any better when you rub your eyes. |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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old dog wrote: It's time to acknowledge a tragic fact: There are too many cops out there who get up every day praying for a excuse to shoot somebody or something. Police work attracts those least fit for it. Dogs aren't aware that they're supposed to be afraid of cops, and the police, unlike most people, will sometimes shoot you just for being happy to see them. |
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Elkad Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo wrote: Dog spray? As in pepper spray? Pepper spray's effects do not work immediately unlike what the movies will have you believe. I mean dog spray. Halt! or Muzzle are 2 major brands, specifically formulated for dogs. A dog's nose/eyes work differently than ours, so human-formulated brands don't work well (if at all). It's not instant, but I've used it to turn away a charging dog on several occasions. Only in one did it fail, so I stuffed an expensive handheld computer in the pit bull's mouth when she jumped, which occupied her long enough for me to get back in my truck. No, its not for a surprise situation vs anything with the jaw strength to do major damage on the first bite. And there are surely some dogs that need shooting (right after their owners). But cops, just like meter readers and mailmen, should be specifically trained in how to deal with dogs. Including when to just get back in the car. OffTopic: Credit to Honeywell , the computer maker, because that Dolphin handheld was stout! Dog returned to attack it again after it couldn't get to me, and spend a couple minutes trying to destroy it. 1500ft/lbs of jaw strength resulted in only cosmetic damage. Last edited on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 03:00 pm by Elkad |
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robgoozee Regular Member
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What an absolute load of bollocks!!!!! I have 2 akitas here in the uk, and they are the dopyiest dogs you would ever meet, this thread started as was the officer right to shoot, if he feels his life is in danger then its his call, but to slam the breed afterwards and make it the dogs fault is total crap, the dog will respond as he is trained to, as for all the crap about akitas being no good as a working breed that too is total claptrap, most educated police forces in the world have had and do use the akita as a response dog, its prey drive works totally unlike a normal dog not because of its wolf type genes but because of its feline type intincts, it does not just jump and attack, first it will stalk and hunt, which is why they are in fact so good as response dogs!!! you can pre-empt their behaviour and understand what is going on, well trained and well socialised akitas prove no more threat than any other kind of breed, so to say well it was an akita isnt a defence,!! |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Mr Roo, You are talking a ton of horse poop. Its village idiots like you that know nothing about dogs that give this breed a bad name. If the officer was in danger then he has a right to shoot the dog. The owner should face up to the fact that he cant handle the dog. But for you to come on a public forum and speak as if you know what you are on about give me a break. Stick with your sled dog which if I am not mistaken is a SPITZ same as an akita. Hang on let look at that SPITZ closest relatives to the wolf. Is it me or can I hear the united voice of a village calling for its idiot since he is on a forum talking horse poop. Grow up get a life and take you sled dog for a walk |
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nepawolf Regular Member
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Hmmm... 2 new users whose first and only post is on here trying to cause problems. And the one claims to be from the UK. On a site about carrying openly, moreover. Sounds like one troll using multiple screen names to me. Does lead to a strong belief that it's one user that's an anti trolling pro 2a sites. I guess the best they could do was arguing about a breed of dog. |
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robgoozee Regular Member
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Nope wrong im afraid, definately not one and the same person at all, just two educated people drawing attention to the fact, someone cocked up and then to defend his stance for yourselves , didnt even blame the dog but tried pinning it on the breed, sorry but that sort of prejudice is exactly what you guys are trying to fight for what you believe is your own cause, now call me slightly cynical, but isnt this a case of pot calling kettle black, you dont agree with one so all are wrong ??, One dog attacks.......which incedentally is crossed with an american pit bull ! so not really an akita at all and one total fwitt "" the roo man" decides to band about all akitas are bad, sorry I just replied the link to this pile of crap posted over here in the uk!! my reply is probably one of many your gonna get. Still I supposed if you want to avoid that sort of cock up in the first place...........maybe you should all poll " should we get a brit to carry our arms openly for us as we cant be trusted to get it right"!!!! |
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nepawolf Regular Member
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It would seem to me that the Brits most certainly could not get it right, and as such allowed their inalienable right to defend themselves (and keep their pistols and what not) to disappear. An akita is like a pit bull in that they can be good dogs, but they have a bad reputation from the ones that were overbred or were ever abused. A strange dog of a infamous species is a dangerous thing to trust when it is growling and barking while it charges you. Would you trust a bear while it's growling and charging at you? Self preservation is a strong urge to try to ignore when your adrenaline is pumping. Were it to be a smaller breed, like a chihuahua, it would have been not considered to be a reasonable threat, and that would be a different story. |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Don’t think I understand your logic you say “An akita is like a pit bull in that they can be good dogs, but they have a bad reputation from the ones that were overbred or were ever abused”. Is it me or are you just stating the obvious ? I would say that is it not the case with any dog when you abuse or mistreat they can turn into a killer. As I have said already any dog out of control that will cause harm to a human being should not be allowed to be around that public. What I object to is when the mis informed point a finger at a single breed a say they are killers that’s when the problems start. Just like yourself and insane kangaroo its obvious you don't know the breed or what they are like. As for us Brits defending ourselves yet again you show your lack of understanding and the subtle nuances that make up a nation. Don't tell anyone but you know what we don't need guns my old mucker. Cor blimey we don't have to carry a gun to protect ourselves and stone the crows we are intelligent enough to understand that not all Americans carry guns or want to. But please feel free to come over anytime and start a whole bunch of trouble and see the outcome. Trust me we wont be sitting around drinking tea and eating biscuits. Huggs & Kisses The UK |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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MrAkitaEars wrote: As for us Brits defending ourselves yet again you show your lack of understanding and the subtle nuances that make up a nation. Don't tell anyone but you know what we don't need guns my old mucker. That's odd, because the Blacks and Asians in Britain attacked in their homes by White supremacists might disagree. Funny how those sorts of things don't happen much in the US. That's probably because it would be an express ticket to hell for the Klansman or skinhead who tried it. Brits are BY LAW helpless, unarmed victims. But then I'm sure that the perpetrators prefer it that way. They always do, especially the ones who post on the internet. It's so very typical of contemporary Brits to cry over dogs but not give a crap about human beings. |
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robgoozee Regular Member
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What an absolute load of rubbish, You give most law abideing well educated americans a bad nome, For 1 we dont feel the need to bear arms, we have a police force and army that will quite capably do that for us which 2 allows us to sleep peacefully in our own homes away from the culture your living in where your afraid for your lives, 3 as for arms being used in race riots if your going to quote history do a little research and get it right, it started in the asian communities indian against pakistani, spilled over into the white communities, AND arms were never involved, i beleive in fact misuse of arms against a black or asian community was rife however in the beautiful south of the usa, which incedentally.............is also the country responsible for the total gang orientated drug infused culture that is leading to the spread of arms misuse in most developed nations as we speak, luckily for us here in the uk arms, drugs and idiots are tightly controlled and as such means we still have a handle on the situation, Over the water however would seem to be a different kettle of fish completely otherwise you wouldnt feel the need or urge to carry arms, We do have a right to defend ourselves over here, always have and always will, we have the right to use force of an equall or lesser value to allow self defence/preservation, as we dont live in a gun culture thankfully, we dont all need to be armed. |
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nepawolf Regular Member
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robgoozee wrote: What an absolute load of rubbish, You give most law abideing well educated americans a bad nome, For 1 we dont feel the need to bear arms, we have a police force and army that will quite capably do that for us which 2 allows us to sleep peacefully in our own homes away from the culture your living in where your afraid for your lives, 3 as for arms being used in race riots if your going to quote history do a little research and get it right, it started in the asian communities indian against pakistani, spilled over into the white communities, AND arms were never involved, i beleive in fact misuse of arms against a black or asian community was rife however in the beautiful south of the usa, which incedentally.............is also the country responsible for the total gang orientated drug infused culture that is leading to the spread of arms misuse in most developed nations as we speak, luckily for us here in the uk arms, drugs and idiots are tightly controlled and as such means we still have a handle on the situation, Over the water however would seem to be a different kettle of fish completely otherwise you wouldnt feel the need or urge to carry arms,Right, you have the "right" to defend yourselves over there. That's why repeatedly your people are locked up for doing so. Listen, if you want to talk about how guns are unnecessary try a different site. You're not going to get anywhere here with that. There is more violent crime per capita in your unarmed country than in our armed country. Plus, since the ban of pistols in your country, it has been on the rise. I've been to your country several time. Your police do not have a handle on the arms or drugs OR idiots situation. You can't speak for everyone in your country that they all do not feel the need for firearms to protect themselves. If that were the case, how come there are as many protests trying to get back the pistols or protests to try to get someone off of their charges for defending themselves (in their own homes almost everytime, moreover). |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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robgoozee wrote: What an absolute load of rubbish, You give most law abideing well educated americans a bad nome, For 1 we dont feel the need to bear arms, we have a police force and army that will quite capably do that for us which 2 allows us to sleep peacefully in our own homes away from the culture your living in where your afraid for your lives, 3 as for arms being used in race riots if your going to quote history do a little research and get it right, it started in the asian communities indian against pakistani, spilled over into the white communities, AND arms were never involved, i beleive in fact misuse of arms against a black or asian community was rife however in the beautiful south of the usa, which incedentally.............is also the country responsible for the total gang orientated drug infused culture that is leading to the spread of arms misuse in most developed nations as we speak, luckily for us here in the uk arms, drugs and idiots are tightly controlled and as such means we still have a handle on the situation, Over the water however would seem to be a different kettle of fish completely otherwise you wouldnt feel the need or urge to carry arms, You don't feel the need for victims of violent crime to have the EFFECTIVE means of self-defense. Apparently you don't control skinheads and National Front types, or their axes. Otherwise they wouldn't knock down the doors of non-Whites in council housing and kill them. But maybe you don't consider the victims "important". Maybe if enough of them are murdered, they'll leave. A lot of Brits would like that. Last edited on Fri Jun 5th, 2009 06:05 pm by Deanimator |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Going a bit off topic I think on the whole skinhead race gun thing but no worries billy bob I have a gun rack in the s10 and a pack of man eating Bichon Frise to protect my rights to carry a gun. Back on subject I did have a question for all y'all god fearing folk out there when you made the blanket statement that all Akita's where killers which breed type where you referring to ? |
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robgoozee Regular Member
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hmmmm???....would that be the AMERICAN akita by any chance!!!!!!!!...........cause all who really know anything about the breed know the japanese akita is by nature a shy animal. As we have been saying right from the beginning if ANY animal attacks you have the right to defend yourself. Its never a BREEDS fault its individual dogs & their owners that are at fault. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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MrAkitaEars wrote: Going a bit off topic I think on the whole skinhead race gun thing but no worries billy bob I have a gun rack in the s10 and a pack of man eating Bichon Frise to protect my rights to carry a gun. In the immortal words of the great Graham Chapman, "Run away, run away!" Strike a little close to home there, did I, Oswald Mosely? Black people with guns must scare the crap out of you. |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Oswald Mosley please why quote some 1930's anti communist that no one out side of the UK knows anything about really. If you want to draw analogies to more up-to-date UK racist please quote Nick Griffin BNP. Now he is a good clean cut white boy. Although I have to say I do like the whole black shirted Salvador Dali moustache look that Mosley sported in the 30's. As for being scared of black people with guns that doesn't scare me as much as having a black Muslim brother in the white house scares you. Listen everyone to their own if you want to carry a gun I am happy with that you go ahead. You are legally allowed to so its not a crime in the USA here its illegal. I must say next time I am over in the good old USA I would like to shoot a dessert eagle. Anyway we wander off topic what I did post for was this nonsense about all Akita's are bad dogs. But Dean I am more than happy to debate post war British politics with you. I really like this site havnt had such an open debate on such a wide range of issues for a long time. |
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Keykos mummy Regular Member
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Another experienced akita owner/handler from the UK here. Followed the thread with some interest and still wondering why this cross breed who is apparently part akita - why the akita part has not been confirmed as being AMERICAN again. Come on all you so called akita experts who truly believe these dogs are inherently aggressive to all living things, which would it be - the original mild mannered true akita often used to look after children or the breed that has been f*cked about with by idiots. As for saying we are racist and kick down doors of people who have a different colour of skin from us - come off it, what colour is the sky in your world!!! Do we also allow our akitas to go in through the kicked down doors to wreak havoc... I dont believe I have ever seen a sign on shop doorway in this country stating a disgusting slogan like "NO BLACKS ALLOWED" however I have certainly witnessed this in the good old US of A!! I have also had to watch where I sat at a baseball game - ie not next to a coloured colleague in case he "had his ass kicked" by jealous racist white men. Again, I have not come across this neanderthal behaviour in this country. So keep your guns, drugs and idiots to yourselves and we will continue to exist in our peaceful country with our beautiful and well mannered akitas. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Keykos mummy wrote: I dont believe I have ever seen a sign on shop doorway in this country stating a disgusting slogan like "NO BLACKS ALLOWED" however I have certainly witnessed this in the good old US of A!! I guarantee you haven't witnessed it in a VERY long time, and certainly in no place where lawyers exist. On the other hand, I don't have to worry about skinheads knocking down my door with axes and killing me because of my race. They wouldn't even try it. They already know the vanishingly small odds of their survival in any such attempt. In most parts of the USA, effective self-defense is a right. In the UK it's a crime. |
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jahwarrior72 wrote: this is similar to the argument the Brady Bunch uses to vilify gun owners. stop sounding like a jackass. i know you're not one. +100 I own a dog grooming business, and I have had dozens and dozens of breeds of dogs here, from teacup chihuahuas to a 250+lb English Mastiff. A dog's breed alone plays no part on whether or not it is aggressive. I have about a half dozen Akita's that come in here and every one of them is on their best behavior. Most of the aggressive fear biters are dogs under 35lbs, matter of fact. Sorry to hijack the thread, I just get annoyed when people generalize behavior characteristics to a breed as a whole. |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Dean, My old fruit I thought we had covered the whole you can we cant gun thing. Maybe you missed it and just in case you did we here in UK accept and acknowledge your right to bare arms.Which of course you have as it is written as the 2nd amendment to the bill of rights. As a side note its interesteting to see that the constitution was actually put together in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. Now there was me thinking all that place was famous for was that Tom Hanks movie and cheese steak. Anyway I digress as usual Dean I have to say you really do bring out the naughty side of me. So Dean when you talk about effective forms of self defence if you mean guns you know we dont have them as they are illegal here. So unfortunately we have to be very up close and personal when the skinheads come calling. Dean when you refer to skinhead are you focusing on the Neo Nazi types as the UK don't have a skinhead issue to be honest. You really need to look to more towards the old soviet union states as they really do have a very large Neo-Nazi problem. What we do have is a lot of right wing Asian group that are a lot more worrying than skinheads. So Dean come on man back on topic chop chop get with the Akita thing. Hendu24 thanks so much for your input here is an example of a person that works with dogs and can look past the breed. I will swing an ale in your honour next time I am down the pub. Dean you have a really good week and watch out for the English skinheads that come a calling in the night  . |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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MrAkitaEars wrote: So Dean come on man back on topic chop chop get with the Akita thing. The "topic" is OFF-TOPIC for an American message board devoted to the open carrying of firearms. Let us know when you get a custom OWB made for your DOG. Be sure to use a high quality belt, as Akita's are generally heavy enough to deform a cheap belt. |
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Keykos mummy Regular Member
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Hendu24 - you talk sense! Deform a belt? dont make me laugh - the only thing my dogs deform are dog biscuits! CHILDREN can walk my dogs they are so well behaved, oh and did I mention the perfect recall also? Blame the deed and not the breed. I understand a dogs requirements, hence the fact I have well mannered and disciplined dogs. Now go do a little more research and perhaps you can come back with joined up writing.  |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Keykos mummy wrote: Hendu24 - you talk sense! Have you ever carried your dog OWB with a cheap belt? I didn't think so. Of course you don't even know what that means. Have you noticed that you're in a firearms related discussion board talking about dogs and I'm NOT in a dog related discussion board talking about guns, holsters, belts and firearms law? This isn't usenet. You DON'T have "crossposting" as an excuse. |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Deano, Don't want to antagonise you even more by sating the obvious but I think the thread reads "Another Dog Shot by Police Officer". I don't think it read another dog shot with a Gloch G27 by the fuzz or anything like that. Hence the reason I posted was that all Akita where classed in the thread as killers by a village idiot Mr Roo. So while the forum is a gun forum and as I keep telling you we are all cool with that. I did take great umbrage with Mr Roo. So Dean chill out and chop chop fella let us all have your angle on the whole Akita's are killers thing. I am sure you are ready to impart us with some of that special wisdom that you have been laying down. Our as we say in blighty "Deano lay me some of your home grown Pony son" Last edited on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 07:09 pm by MrAkitaEars |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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MrAkitaEars wrote: Deano, I don't care about akitas, otherwise I'd be on akitas.org, instead of opencarry.org. So, how do you feel about the "empty chamber vs. loaded chamber" and "hollowpoints vs. FMJs" arguments? Last edited on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 08:17 pm by Deanimator |
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ddog101775 Regular Member
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i'm curious, did someone from a british-akita-fans forum see this topic and post it on that forum? or is it just a coincidence that three brits register and come to defend the akita within two days of each other? not that i don't appreciate diversity of ideas, just wondering . |
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robgoozee Regular Member
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Deano were not all totally clueless with regard to firearms over here in the uk, I think in your case it would definately be loaded chamber, as for the round well neither ,personally i would go for a 50 cal armour peircing just to make sure I got a K shot on your thick hide !!!! Oh also if I found myself wanting to carry OWB id use a don hume holster !! Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 09:04 am by robgoozee |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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robgoozee wrote: Deano were not all totally clueless with regard to firearms over here in the uk, I think in your case it would definately be loaded chamber, as for the round well neither ,personally i would go for a 50 cal armour peircing just to make sure I got a K shot on your thick hide !!!! Wikipedia can be your friend... sometimes. What kind of "50 cal armour (sic) peircing (sic)"? .50 BMG? .50 Vickers? In what firearm? Is it readily concealable by any means other than throwing a tarp over it? Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 11:59 am by Deanimator |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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Dean, The only reason I came on to this thread was to stick up for the dogs nothing more. Your whole E-penis my guns bigger than your guns rambling really has nothing to do with the fact that an off duty policeman shot a mans dog. So this forum is about guns but this thread isn’t so why are you asking what gun and holster do we have like or want. Is it me or don’t you have an opinion about the thread. I can see you all know a lot more than me about guns so asking me what type of bullet I like makes no odds. So as I said chop chop Dean tell me your views on the guy that shot the dog. PS Hollow point for me if I am sniping or hunting |
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nepawolf Regular Member
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OK, brief OT intervention time. Rob, As Deanimator pointed out, there are multiple 50s. It would be a reasonable assumption that you had meant 50 BMG as that is the only one that is actually referred to as "50 cal" (except of course by kids trying to be cool). There is no OWB Don Hume holster made for 50 BMG rifles. Second, Don Hume is an overrated, overpriced mediocre holster. Ears, Hollow point is a poor choice for sniping. It creates a pocket of air on the front of the bullet in flight, throwing the trajectory off, as well as decreasing it's velocity. For hunting, that's a different discussion. Most people would find it helpful for taking the animal quicker. I go for headshots, personally. OK, you may now proceed with your almost off-topic discussion. |
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MrAkitaEars Regular Member
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I take your advice on that Nepawolf. I did speak to a buddy of mine who was army sniper in northern Ireland and his view that the hollow point was a better option due to the weight difference from front to back in cross winds apparently it creates a bubble. I believe they are banned under some convention or the other. He also said killing power is much better and the chance of the bullet going through the target and hitting something else is reduced. Personally all the shooting I have done is with Shotguns and as a teen in army cadets with big heavy semi-automatics. Again you boys know what you are about when it comes to shooting things and I know about Akita's so I think we can all learn a little from each other. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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MrAkitaEars wrote: Dean, 1. Anti-gunners sure talk about penises a lot. 2. Being from Chicago, I'm not a big fan of the police in general. 3. I don't come here to talk about dogs. 4. This thread is 99% off-topic. 5. I'm sure you don't know what KIND of "hollowpoint". I use nothing but Sierra hollowpoints in both of my sniper rifles. They don't expand to any meaningful degree. The only reason why they ARE hollowpoints is that the jackets are drawn from base to tip to produce a uniform base, which greatly enhances accuracy. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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nepawolf wrote: OK, brief OT intervention time. I can't speak to the quality of Don Hume OWBs, but I love their 715M IWB. It's well made, stable in use and very reasonably priced. They're not made to be "tuckable", but are remarkably so anyway. I have them for my Glock 19, Glock 22, M1911, Browning High Power and 3" S&W Model 65. |
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thorsmitersaw Regular Member 
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insane.kangaroo wrote
You mean a dog bred and used for police purposes has a bad disposition, is violent, and could be dangerous to your health??? I don't believe it /sarcasm |
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Gunslinger Regular Member 
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old dog wrote: It's time to acknowledge a tragic fact: There are too many cops out there who get up every day praying for a excuse to shoot somebody or something. Police work attracts those least fit for it. You're exactly right. Too many cowards and crypto-sadists wear a badge. Pepper spray will stop a bear. Didn't this trigger happy pos have any? Look at the story of the MD badge wearing scum who shot two harmless Labs while violating the rights of their owner--a former mayor of the town, I believe. The good cops that tolerate these vermin shouldn't act surprised when they're broadbrushed with them. Too bad, but if the "decent"--and I use the term advisedly, don't flush the corrupt, they're no better. |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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robgoozee wrote: What an absolute load of rubbish, You give most law abideing well educated americans a bad nome, For 1 we dont feel the need to bear arms, we have a police force and army that will quite capably do that for us which 2 allows us to sleep peacefully in our own homes away from the culture your living in where your afraid for your lives, 3 as for arms being used in race riots if your going to quote history do a little research and get it right, it started in the asian communities indian against pakistani, spilled over into the white communities, AND arms were never involved, i beleive in fact misuse of arms against a black or asian community was rife however in the beautiful south of the usa, which incedentally.............is also the country responsible for the total gang orientated drug infused culture that is leading to the spread of arms misuse in most developed nations as we speak, luckily for us here in the uk arms, drugs and idiots are tightly controlled and as such means we still have a handle on the situation, Over the water however would seem to be a different kettle of fish completely otherwise you wouldnt feel the need or urge to carry arms, As a subject, I wonder why you're on a forum about citizens. The UK's violent crime displaced from guns to knives, according to your Prime Minister, it didn't go away. Tell those imprisoned in Great Britain for defense of themselves about your "rights" before you criticize we who still have them. |
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Hendu024 Regular Member
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robgoozee wrote: SNIP.... I believe that may be the most ignorant statement I've seen thus far on this forum. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Hendu024 wrote: robgoozee wrote:SNIP.... Apparently to him, Blacks and Asians killed in their homes by axe wielding White supremacists don't count. Of course that ultra-rightwing noise machine... National Public Radio, could have been lying when they talked about it... |
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HankT State Researcher 
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Deanimator wrote:
Back on topic. This case also involves a cop shooting and killing a pooch. But the linkage to us the blowback (see the comments) that assuredly follows anyone shooting a pet for specious reasons. For a CCer or OCer to do what this Danville officer did would actually generate more blowback than this officer received. Here is a new corollary to HankT's Postulate of Civilian Self Defense: Shooting a small unarmed dog is a bad strategy. Cops can get away with it. Ocers and CCers? Uh-uh.  Police justify shooting, killing 12-pound miniature dachshund in self-defense (VIDEO) June 12, 8:39 PM 5 comments "Killer" the miniature dachshund shot by a police officer. (Richmond-Times Dispatch)Police in Danville, Virginia are defending the fatal shooting and killing of an 11 year-old miniature dachshund, claiming that the police officer who shot the 12-pound dog, acted reasonably and in self-defense. "Shooting a dog which is actively presenting a threat to an officer is within the department's policy," states a press release issued by Danville Police Chief Phillip Broadfoot. The diminutive dog, who had the ironic name of "Killer", was known as a "sweet, mild-mannered dog," reports the Richmond-Times Dispatch. "He just kind of walked up and down the neighborhood and didn't bother anybody," said neighbor Jenine Edmunds. "He was just a little house dog." Killer and his family --- Tawalin Harper, his wife and two kids --- live on a quiet cul-de sac. "He was the security guard around here," Harper said, explaining that Killer would bark whenever a strange car entered the cul-de-sac. How did the shooting happen? Earlier this week, a police officer pulled into the cul-de-sac to serve two warrants to a neighbor. As the officer --- whose name the police department is refusing to release --- returned to his car, "he was surprised by a growling dog running through the yard directly at him from the rear, leaving him with just seconds to consider his options," reads the police statement. Police Chief Broadstreet said the officer's options in that instance were to run to the squad car, distract the dog, or use pepper spray, his baton or his firearm. After Killer, allegedly "lunged at the officer and attacked him," the officer decided to draw his gun and shoot the aging 12-pound mini dachshund. Apparently, the officer feared great bodily harm --- perhaps to his ankles. Harper's children, who were inside the house, heard the gunshot and called their father, who raced home to find Killer laying on the ground "with his guts hanging out.“ According to NBC4i, the officer leaned against his patrol car, smoking a cigarette. He refused to give Harper his name and badge number and said "he had to shoot the dog because he was barking at him." When the officer's supervisor arrived on the scene, the supervisor/lieutenant was very sorry. "“He kept apologizing," recalls Harper. "And he said I know apologizing can’t bring the dog back, but I just don’t know what to say.“ The Harpers remain devastated at the loss of the dog they have had and loved for 11 years. "He was a family member," says a bewildered and saddened Harper. "They took a family member away." http://www.examiner.com/x-1028-Pet-News-Examiner~y2009m6d12-Police-justify-defend-fatal-shooting-killing-of-12pound-miniature-dachshund-VIDEO |
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someones_angel28 Regular Member
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lol, i will tell you this now, i have an akita pit bull mix and im glad as hell that my family and i have him! he IS VERY PROTECTIVE over us, noone can come within 5 feet of us or even near our property line without him warning us! akitas are a very protective breed, and since you know so much about them you should already know this! i have 2 other dogs also, a cat and 3 young children ranging in age from 3 to 10 yrs old and he is great with them all! considering he was rescued from an abusive and neglectful owner! he is the best 100 lb lap and family dog i have ever met! Attached Image (viewed 35 times): |
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dvdaughtry Regular Member
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I think we should be a little more congenial to our British friends. After all, it was a bunch of Brits that gave us this. That, in turn, spawned this and this. So from this grateful American, thank you. Great place you have over there. |
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