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Shawn Regular Member
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Ok..new year, new push. Steven Tilley has sponsored this bill for the last two years and is now the Majority Floor Leader! We need the same bill introduced and I need everybody to email him and get him to sponsor this again and push for it!! Kevin Englar will not sponsor this bill (we need another Senator - Ideas?). The old HB 2546 should be used again, but the verbiage on the title of the bill should have this wording below, to the effect of: Requires political subdivisions to incorporate the justifiable use of force defenses into local ordinances regarding weapon offenses and establishes complete firearm preemption. Of course, I don't think he has any say over what is put into the titles, but you can include it in your emails! |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Shawn, thanks for bringing this up again this year. I will email my Senator, Scott Rupp (Dist. #2, just West of StL). http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/ap_on_go_pr_wh/congress_stimulus_126. I'll ask him for his sponsorship. Just curios, though, why do we need another sponser? Tom Grady |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Shawn, here's an email I sent to Scott Rupp. I'll let everyone know his reaction. And if anyone out there can add anything to my observations that I might use in future communications with reps and sens, please don't be shy. KIP. TG "Scott, thanks. Your support of the The Second is wonderful. Now, how about helping us and sponsor Steve Tilley (106) on HB2546. This is a link to last year's version: http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills081/bills/hb2546.htm. There's a strong group of conceal carry citizens who are trying to get the same premeption status for open carry passed in the legislature. Right now each govt. entity can pass its own laws, causing great confusion and unnecssary brushes with statutes. Example: St. Chas. Cnty allows open carry. So does Chesterfield. But Ballwin and St.L. cnty do not. Moving from one entity to another becomes difficult. Your thoughts, please? Tom Grady 314-346-3548 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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tjgmba, We need it introduced it in the House and Senate. They each pass their version, hopefully one and the same, then conference if needed and send it to the governor. I'll see if Tilley will do it again! |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:42 PM To: 'Steven.Tilley@house.mo.gov' Cc: Subject: Firearm Preemption Legislation Representative Tilley, Hello again, I write to you in hopes that you will be able to again sponsor legislation to make minor changes in the firearm preemption statue - RSMo 21.750. I believe that only the state should regulate, if needed and permissible, the issue of firearms, as it is a constitutionally protected right. Also, the issue of incorporating the justifiable use of force defenses into local ordinances is needed. For the past two years, you have sponsored HB 1045 (2007) and HB 2546 (2008) and I hope you will again sponsor this legislation. If you are able to sponsor this again, I would like to ask, if possible, that the title of the bill look like this: Requires political subdivisions to incorporate the justifiable use of force defenses into local ordinances regarding weapon offenses and establishes complete firearm preemption. I believe from past conversations that this isn’t handled by your staff, but would like to offer the suggestion non the less. Simply reusing the HB 2546 version would be great. I look forward to hear back from you when you have time. Thank you, Shawn |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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I followed up !! |
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Johnyt101 Regular Member
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It would be a great day if this bill passes, just think MO a Gold Star State! Now only if I had the right to carry openly or concealed here in Illinois... |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Move west my friend, and bring your Tax Dollars with you.. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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I can't be more happy with Steven Tilley...we really need him to run for Governor. Here is what I got back...Please follow up with an email to him if you would to thank him for his continued support. We also need to follow up with emails to Representative Scott Largent. Here is his home page.
From: Leann Hager [mailto:Leann.Hager@house.mo.gov] On Behalf Of Steven Tilley Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:11 PM To: shawn Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation Shawn Thank you for the email. I have spoke with Rep. Scott Largent and he has agreed to sponsor this particular legislation this year. As Majority Floor Leader, I try to stay away from sponsoring too much legislation, due to the position that I hold. However, when there is a piece of legislation that I feel would be good, I try and find someone else to sponsor it, as I have done with this particular one. Again, thank you for the email. Steven Tilley Majority Floor Leader Missouri House of Representatives District 106 Ph: (573) 751-1488 Fax: (573) 526-0881 Last edited on Fri Feb 13th, 2009 05:38 am by Shawn |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Sent this to Scott Largent today (2-14): Scott, I want to thank you for sponsering the open carry legislation. Steve Tilley did so last year. I have emailed my senator, Scott Rupp, to see if he will do the same in the Senate. I haven't heard back from him yet. Can you suggest another Senator who might be of the same beliefs to do so in the Senate. Thomas Grady 314-346-3548 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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tjgmba wrote: Sent this to Scott Largent today (2-14): tjgmba...I sent him an email today...I didn't see anything up on his website yet...I'll let you guys know if I hear anything back. I will also call him later this week if he doesn't reply back. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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WOW...That was fast: From: Scott Largent [mailto:Scott.Largent@house.mo.gov] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:41 PM To: shawn Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation No number yet but I will let you know when filed. Thanks for the email Scott I say we send him emails and let him know there is a lot of support for this bill! Call his office if you can during the day. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Team, If you haven't already, please send Rep Largent an email or give him a call and ask about the bill and thank him for his sponsorship. I think April 1st is going to be the day for Gun Owners to show up and talk to your representatives. Here are some links to track this: http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/spon/spn120.htm Representative Scott Largent District 120 (R) 573-751-1484 Phone 573-522-5598 Fax Scott.Largent@house.mo.gov |
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Mike Super Moderator
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One of you MO guys please take charge of organizing alert items for folks to contact THIR legislators once this bill gets filed - see the texas laert on main page as an example. |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Shawn, I copy and pasted your post and the links in a composed e-mail to everyone in my address box who lives in Mo. and all from out of state that travel through Missouri.. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Its going to be House Bill 875. Please send an email to your Representative and please thank those that have already sponsored the bill...here is the link to help you look them up. http://www.senate.mo.gov/llookup/leg_lookup.aspx http://www.house.mo.gov/ http://www.senate.mo.gov/ Attachment: HB0875I.pdf (Downloaded 87 times) |
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Steelviper Regular Member 
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Message and reply quoted below. A form response, but at least a human read it and hopefully she keeps some sort of a count.
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deepdiver Activist Member 
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Emailed my rep and senator. Below is the email I sent to my rep. I made some changes to my senator asking for "active support" assuming it passes the House. Some may object to my invoking anything about concealed carry into my email, however, I thought it important to acknowledge it and address it as I would expect opponents to point to CCW preemption and say, "This is already taken care of here." Dear Representative _______: I'm writing to ask your support of HB 875, state-wide firearm preemption, this legislative term. Despite certain preemptions for concealed carry, Missouri remains a patchwork of conflicting and confusing firearm laws which could lead to a law abiding, conscientious citizen inadvertently committing a crime. Many states such as Pennsylvania, Virginia and Washington have such preemption laws to protect their law abiding citizen who choose to legally carry self-defense firearms from accidental violations for simply crossing a county or municipal boundary. As you likely know, those of us who legally carry firearms for self-defense are among the most law abiding citizens in the nation with far lower rates of contact with law enforcement for even minor violations such as traffic tickets than the general population. That we law abiding citizens could inadvertently commit a serious crime leading to arrest, criminal charges, large legal expenses, incarceration, seizure of our firearm (many costing four figures) and possibly the loss of our right to bear arms merely by crossing a county or municipal boundary is frightening to many of us. State-wide preemption on all firearms laws (reasonably excepting regulating the discharge of firearms for non-defensive purposes) as set out in HB875 protects us from such unintended situations. Thank you for your consideration |
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Broondog Regular Member 
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hi. well i thought i was already here but the board doesn't recognize me. anyway, i have sent emails to both Engler (my Sen) and Fallert (my rep) about this. i wish this gets some play this year. due to the wording of the CC law, i am unable to attain a CC permit, so open carry is my only alternative. it really sucks having to pay attention to exactly where i am when i get out of my truck. i will be watching this Bill closely, along with what's going on firearmwise on the national front. |
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Broondog Regular Member
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i already heard back from Senator Engler.... quote: Thanks for writing Mr. Broondog, Sen. Engler has always been a strong supporter of the second amendment and protecting Missourians' rights to have firearms. I see HB 875 as no different and will support the bill. Sincerely, Mike Lodewegen Legislative Director, Sen. Kevin Engler a positive response as i expected. |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Deepdiver, wow. Thanks. This is great. I cut and pasted this to my rep and senator. Super work. Everyone else interested should grab this support note and send it off. TG |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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I never thought about using someones words as a standard format, if thats the case, then someone type up a standard format and we'll all add our names.. here's what I've been sending, does it read as acceptable? Please find in your reasoning, positive support for HB 875. In these tough economic times Missourians should have the choice of not paying a lein on maintaining their personal protection, (ie) Conceal Carry Weapons Permit. To conceal a weapon is a privilege granted by the state of Missouri which is all well and good with the legal citizens intent. The right to bear arms,(ie) Open Carry in the proper fashion is a right that the oath of office guarantees under the 2nd amendment for all law abiding citizens. Missouri is known for raising the bar and initiating a standard that many other states govt's. model after, please find that HB 875 passes for We The People. Thank you for your consideration |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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tjgmba wrote: Deepdiver, wow. Thanks. This is great. I cut and pasted this to my rep and senator. Super work. Everyone else interested should grab this support note and send it off.Glad you liked it. I did notice a few minor changes I would make if people wanted to use that as a "form letter". While I did not keep a copy of the letter to my senator, I can tweak this one as I did before for state senators. I intentionally stayed away from explicately bringing up OC. While we understand that gold star OC status would be the outcome of the bill as written unless the legislature passed further restrictions I don't think that pointing this out is our best strategy. It is easy for opponents to argue against OC in sound bites of "old west". Our counter is less easily boiled down. Therefore, I focused on the issue from the perspective that the current laws create a hazard for law abiding citizens who would never intentionally commit an infraction. It is much harder for the antis to argue against this position with sound bites. However, we can argue this point as an equal protection and civil rights issue. From this perspective we could maybe say, "And at one time you would be breaking the law if you accidentally drank from the wrong water fountain or sat in the wrong seat on the bus just like law abiding gun owners now can break the law just by crossing an unseen boundary between two irregularly shaped cities." If others like my approach I will be happy to post up 2 letters, one for senators and one for reps, that people can use as a template for sending. I may just do it anyway as it is a good exercise for the little grey cells as Poirot would say. |
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ute Regular Member
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Deepdiver - if you draw up the letters ,I'd like the first two copies! Great work! thanks ute |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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Always happy to support the cause!! If anyone sees errors, flaws or problems please let me know so I can address them. My proposed form letters: Dear Representative _______: I'm writing to ask your support of HB 875, state-wide firearm preemption, this legislative term. Despite certain preemptions for concealed carry, Missouri remains a patchwork of conflicting and confusing firearm laws which could lead to a law abiding, conscientious citizen inadvertently committing a crime. Many states such as Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky and Washington have such preemption laws to protect their law abiding citizen who choose to legally carry self-defense firearms from accidental legal violations for simply crossing a county or municipal boundary. As you likely know, those of us who legally carry firearms for self-defense are among the most law abiding citizens in the nation with far lower rates of contact with law enforcement for even minor violations such as traffic tickets than the general population. That we very law abiding citizens could inadvertently commit a serious crime leading to arrest, criminal charges, significant legal expenses, incarceration, seizure of our firearm (many costing four figures) and the loss of our right to own, use or bear arms in the future merely by crossing a county or municipal boundary even if unseen or unmarked is frightening to many of us. Statewide preemption on all firearms laws (reasonably excepting regulating the discharge of firearms for non-defensive purposes) to ensure consistency statewide as set out in HB875 protects us from such unintended situations. Thank you for your consideration Dear Senator _______: I'm writing to ask your support of state-wide firearm preemption this legislative term as contained in pending HB 875 if it passes in the House. Despite certain preemptions for concealed carry, Missouri remains a patchwork of conflicting and confusing firearm laws which could lead to a law abiding, conscientious citizen inadvertently committing a crime. Many states such as Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky and Washington have such preemption laws to protect their law abiding citizen who choose to legally carry self-defense firearms from accidental legal violations for simply crossing a county or municipal boundary. As you likely know, those of us who legally carry firearms for self-defense are among the most law abiding citizens in the nation with far lower rates of contact with law enforcement for even minor violations such as traffic tickets than the general population. That we very law abiding citizens could inadvertently commit a serious crime leading to arrest, criminal charges, significant legal expenses, incarceration, seizure of our firearm (many costing four figures) and the loss of our right to own, use or bear arms in the future merely by crossing a county or municipal boundary even if unseen or unmarked is frightening to many of us. Statewide preemption on all firearms laws (reasonably excepting regulating the discharge of firearms for non-defensive purposes) to ensure consistency statewide as set out in HB875 protects us from such unintended situations. Thank you for your consideration Last edited on Sun Mar 1st, 2009 01:19 am by deepdiver |
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Shawn Regular Member
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deepdiver wrote: Always happy to support the cause!! If anyone sees errors, flaws or problems please let me know so I can address them. My proposed form letters: Deep, Don't forget that this bill forces the political subdivisions to incorporate the justifiable use of force defenses into local ordinances regarding weapon offenses, besides establishing complete firearm preemption. This means that no "Gun Control" statue by the state or federal law will be touched. Since a person is always charge with a state violation (felony), there is no reason to have multiple jurisdictions regulating any aspect of the rkba. Also, they can still regulate the discharge of a weapon, but NOT if somebody falls under the J of F statues. Keep up the good work. I hope we all are painting the correct picture for our representatives and senators. They might not read and understand the bill and if we explain exactly what is in it...there is no reason other then they don't want you to be able to exercise your rights. |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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Good point, Shawn and perhaps I should have explicately addressed that. I'll re-read the bill and mull it over a bit. Got a response from my state senator Jason Crowell today as well: Mr. Deepdiver- Thank you for your email. Please know that I fully support the second amendment and appreciate greatly your email in support of hb 875. Jason |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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From: "Linda Fischer" <Linda.Fischer@house.mo.gov>Add sender to Contacts To: js_moss@sbcglobal.net Jesse and Sherry, I strongly support 2nd Amendment rights in the entire context it was meant. You can be assured if a House Bill deals with gun owner's rights; I will be supporting all legislation in that regard. Thank you for contacting me regarding HB 875. Repectfully, Representative Linda Fischer 107th District 201 W Capitol Ave. 115-G Jefferson City, MO 65101 Office 573-751-2317 Fax 573-522-6297 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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deepdiver wrote: Good point, Shawn and perhaps I should have explicately addressed that. I'll re-read the bill and mull it over a bit. DD, Jason rocks...can you get him to sponsor the exact same bill in the senate? I would push the J of D and that NO other "gun control" state or federal laws will be effected in any emails. |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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I thought it was too late for them to present new bills in the Senate and that the Senate wouldn't take this up unless passed in the House. If I am misunderstanding this matter I am happy to encourage him to sponsor it. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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http://www.senate.mo.gov/schedule-2009.htm I think we still have time...60 days to file one. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Hope this helps...I won't email them all, but I will email those I do individually. Couldn't get the excel to upload..put it in this word doc. Attachment: Missouri 2009 House of Representatives.doc (Downloaded 24 times) |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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I heard Ken Jones (Rep, Dist 117) on KMOX radio (StL) this morning talking about HB 668 (Castle Doctrine): http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HB668.htm. He said it's just come out of committee and he said it was going to be packaged with a couple other gun-related bills. I'm wondering if one if them is HB 875: http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HB875.htm. I've sent his office and my rep an email asking if they can't combine ours with 668, which seems to be heavily favored by both reps and senators. Can you guys find anything else out about this? Tom Grady 314-346-3548 |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Here's what I sent to Kenny Jones and Scott Larget: Kenny, Scott, I heard Kenny on KMOX this morning talking about HB 668. Scott, et all have introed HB 875. I thought I heard Kenny say something about 668 just coming out of committee and will probably be combined with a couple other related bills. I'm wondering if one of those could not be HB 875? Can either of your gentlemen respond on this. And if 875 can't be combined with 668, Scott, can you fill me in on 875's status and prospects. I'm a major proponent on this and am in constant communication with many many other interested parties on a related forum here in Missouri. Thanks for your help. Thomas Grady 314-346-3548 BTW, I've asked Doug Funderburk and Sen. Scott Rupp to support 875. Scott, can you work on Doug for us? |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Scott Largent called me yesterday. I had sent him an email asking if they could wrap OC's bill 875 in with Kenny Jones' Castle Doctrine bill 668. I had heard Kenny Jones say on KMOX radio that the Agri-Business Committee, where the two bills reside, would be wrapped up with a few other related bills. The bottom line in my discussion with Largent was that 668 is quite popular and will likely pass on the floor, and they wrap in bills that are less - but not a whole lot less - popluar than the main bill. This way more of them get's passed. He did not say directly, but he did imply, that our 875 is not high up on the popularity list with other House or Agri-Bus committee members. He did not say it would NOT eventually be combined with the group that hit the floor but it didn't look promising. It may end up going out to the floor all by itself and perhaps not garner necessary support. Here are links to the bills: 668 - http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HB668.htm. 875 - http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HB875.htm. And here's a link to the members of the Agri-Bus committe, who makes the decisions on what get's bundled and what doesn't - http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/commit/com003.htm. We may want to get ahold of these folks and impress upon them the importance of wrapping 875 into the bundle that goes to the floor. I'd bet we have a better chance of getting it passed. TG |
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Shawn Regular Member
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I learned a couple of things today....HB 875 has been sent to the AGRI-BUSINESS COMMITTEE. Also, once filed, no additional co-sponsors can be made. http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/commit/com003.htm Committee Members Munzlinger, Brian, Chair - Brian.Munzlinger@house.mo.gov Fisher, Barney Joe, Vice Chair - Barney.Fisher@house.mo.gov Aull, Joe - (D) Joe.Aull@house.mo.gov Guernsey, Casey - Casey.Guernsey@house.mo.gov Guest, Jim - Jim.Guest@house.mo.gov Hobbs, Steve - Steve.Hobbs@house.mo.gov Rucker, Martin T. - (D) Martin.Rucker@house.mo.gov Schad, Rodney - Rodney.Schad@house.mo.gov Shively, Tom - (D) Tom.Shively@house.mo.gov Swinger, Terry - (D Minority Caucus Chair) Terry.Swinger@house.mo.gov Thomson, Mike - Mike.Thomson@house.mo.gov Todd, Tom - (D) Tom.Todd@house.mo.gov I sent an email to Rep Brian Munzlinger (Co-Sponsor of the bill), asking when it was scheduled for a hearing. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Linda Fischer [mailto:Linda.Fischer@house.mo.gov] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:17 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, I support HB 875, and ALL 2nd Amendment friendly bills. Thanks for sharing your concern for our right to bear arms. Repectfully, Representative Linda Fischer 107th District 201 W Capitol Ave. 115-G Jefferson City, MO 65101 Office 573-751-2317 Fax 573-522-6297
From: Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:45 PM To: Linda Fischer Subject: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Representative Fischer, I’m writing to you today to ask that you co-sponsor HB 875 and fight to see that it passes the house. This bill will ensure that all political subdivisions enforce state law and incorporate the Justification of Defense statues into their ordinances (RSMo 563). This bill in no way removes or affects any of the state firearm laws found in RSMo 571 (Weapons Offenses). This bill will allow gun owners to follow state law in all jurisdictions and although political subdivisions may still regulate the discharge of firearms, a person will have option to prove they fall under a Justification of Defense, if they had to discharge their firearm. Please let me know if you have any questions about this legislation and if you will be able to co-sponsor it. Thank you, Shawn |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Jason Smith [mailto:Jason.Smith@house.mo.gov] Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:11 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, Thanks for your email. The bill has already been filed, so I can’t be a cosponsor. However, I want you to know that I do support this bill. Thanks again for taking time to contact our office. Jason For a Better Missouri, Jason T. Smith State Representative Proudly Serving the 150th District Phone: (573) 751-1688 Fax: (573) 526-1806 Email: jason.smith@house.mo.gov |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Mark Parkinson [mailto:Mark.Parkinson@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:21 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Mr. *, Per the rules of the Missouri House, I can not co-sponsor legislation once the bill has been filed. I will, however, support this fine piece of legislation if it comes to the floor for a vote. MARK |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: David Day [mailto avid.Day@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:16 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Dear Shawn, I will not be able to co-sponsor the legislation because if there is a bill number already assigned the co-sponsorships are already closed. However, I will support the legislation when it gets to the floor. Thanks for the note and your opinion, I value it. Best wishes, Dave David Day State Representative 148th District |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Kevin Wilson [mailto:Kevin.Wilson@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:23 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, I am already one of the co-sponsors of this legislation. Kevin |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Mike Leara [mailto:Mike.Leara@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:27 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Thanks for your correspondence. I am the co-sponsor of this bill. Rep. Mike Leara |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Shelley Keeney [mailto:Shelley.Keeney@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:44 AM To: Cc: Judy Wittenberger Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, I looked up HB 875 and I do support it. However, it has already been filed which means that the time has passed where I could have co-sponsored it. I will be watching this bill as it moves through the legislative process. Thanks for taking the time to write. Shelley |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Tim Jones [mailto:Tim.Jones@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:56 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, The sponsor of the bill is a colleague and friend of mine and I will be happy to support his legislation. Thank you for contacting me! Tim. Representative Timothy W. Jones District 89 Missouri House of Representatives State Capitol, Room 114A Jefferson City, Missouri 65101-6806 (573) 751-0562 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Doug Ervin [mailto:dervin@uniteone.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:12 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Dear Shawn, Thank you for writing with your support of HB875. Since the bill has been filed, I cannot add my name as a co-sponsor, but am in full support of this legislation. I would be happy to discuss this with you further at anytime. Again, thank you for contacting me regarding the preservation and protection of our 2nd Amendment right. For a Better Missouri, Doug Ervin State Representative District 35, Missouri |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Casey Guernsey [mailto:Casey.Guernsey@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:58 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, Thanks for the information and your thoughts. I do not believe in any regulations on firearms, under any circumstance. This is a position I took 3 years ago, before I was elected. I strongly believe in less government as a rule. Beyond that position, I truly believe this is bad legislation. Please feel free to contact me any time. Also, which town are you from? Have a good week - Casey Representative Casey Guernsey Proudly Serving the 3rd House District Daviess, Gentry, Worth, Harrison, Grundy, Sullivan & Mercer Counties Missouri House of Representatives 573.751.4285 660.425.8984 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Kimberly Wilson [mailto:Kimberly.Wilson@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:14 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Dear Shawn, Thank you for your comments concerning this bill. I will put a copy of your message with the bill information in order for Representative Koenig to refer to it, in the event this bill comes to committee or to the House Floor for a vote. Rep. Koenig supports HB875 and will contact the author to co-sponsor. Thank you again for your input on this important issue. It really helps to know how his constituents feel about various issues! Sincerely, Kimberly Wilson Legislative Assistant Representative Andrew Koenig, District 88 (573) 751-5568 - office (573) 522-9204 - fax Kimberly.Wilson@house.mo.gov |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Joe Lakin [mailto:Joe.Lakin@house.mo.gov] On Behalf Of Charlie Denison Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:09 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Shawn, Thank you very much for contacting our office regarding Rep. Scott Largent’s HB 875. The bill has already been filed so it is too late to co-sponsor, but I can assure you Representative Denison will keep your thoughts in mind should this bill come to floor for a vote in the House. Please do not hesitate to contact us if there is ever anything we can do to assist you. Thanks, Joe Lakin Legislative Assistant |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Marilyn Ruestman [mailto:Marilyn.Ruestman@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:16 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Dear Mr. *: After a bill has been filed, I cannot be cosponsor it. I support 2nd Amendment Rights and will be watching for this bill to come to the House Floor for a vote. Thank you, Marilyn Ruestman Marilyn Ruestman Majority Caucus Secretary 131st District |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Scott Dieckhaus [mailto:Scott.Dieckhaus@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:56 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Mr. Shawn, Thank you for writing concerning HB-875. After reading the legislation, I anticipate supporting it in its present form should it reach the House floor. However, because the bill has already been filed, I cannot co-sponsor it anymore. Thanks, Rep. Scott Dieckhaus 109th District |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Subject Line: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Representative ****, I’m writing to you today to ask that you support HB 875 and fight to see that it passes the house. This bill will ensure that all political subdivisions enforce state law and incorporate the Justification of Defense statues into their ordinances (RSMo 563). This bill in no way removes or affects any of the state firearm laws found in RSMo 571 (Weapons Offenses). This bill will allow gun owners to follow state law in all jurisdictions and although political subdivisions may still regulate the discharge of firearms, a person will have option to prove they fall under a Justification of Defense, if they had to discharge their firearm. Please let me know if you have any questions about this legislation and if you will be able to support it. Thank you, |
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Shawn, you've been busy. Hope it pays off. I wonder if you should stat a brand new thread that's a "Call to Arms" for everyone to contact their Rep and Sen. Maybe post that spreadsheet you put up a while back. Also, I'm a bi confused by Casey Guernsey's remarks. On the one hand, it sounds like he's a great gun advocate and then he says 875 is "bad legislation." Can you figue that out. Tom Grady |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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tjgmba wrote: Shawn, you've been busy. Hope it pays off. I wonder if you should stat a brand new thread that's a "Call to Arms" for everyone to contact their Rep and Sen. Maybe post that spreadsheet you put up a while back. He probably couldn't quote you a single syllable of HB 875  |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Joe Smith [mailto:Joe.Smith@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:51 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 It is too late to co sponsor since the bill has already been file. However, the current language of this bill I do like and could support. Joe Smith State Representative Proudly Serving District 14 (573) 751-2250 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Jerry Nolte [mailto:Jerry.Nolte@house.mo.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:52 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Thank you for your email. I will study HB 875. I am a supporter of our Second Amendment Rights and agree with Rep. Munzlinger. It is too late to co-sponsor this legislation. It has been refered to Brian's committee, so I am sure it will be brought to the floor of the House soon. Jerry |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Cynthia Davis [mailto:Cynthia.Davis@house.mo.gov] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:51 AM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Dear Shawn, Thank you for taking the time to write me. I appreciate your help in bringing this bill to my attention. You can be confident of my support for any law that strengthens our constitutional rights. Sincerely, Representative Cynthia Davis |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Clarissa Denkler [mailto:Clarissa.Denkler@house.mo.gov] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:06 PM To: Subject: RE: Firearm Preemption Legislation - HB 875 Thank you for your e-mail. Representative Zerr asked that I let you know that since HB 875 has already been filed it is too late to sign on as a co-sponsor. However, she is in support of the bill in its current form. Sincerely, Clarissa Denkler Legislator Assistant to Representative Anne Zerr |
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Shawn Regular Member
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From: Clint Tracy [mailto:Clint.Tracy@house.mo.gov] Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:45 PM To: Subject: HB 875 Shawn, Currently, HB 375 has been filed and referred to committee. Although it is too late for me to cosponsor this legislation, I will consider giving it my support. I will cast my vote based on its final merits, amendments included. Thank you for your thoughts. If my office can be of further assistance, please let us know. Clint Tracy District 158 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Team, Does anybody live in Andrew or Buchanan counties? Rob Shaaf is rep. Please send me IM. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Ok...its possible it will be heard in Committee on the 31st. No time yet, but I'll keep you guys posted...has anybody sent emails to the committee members yet? |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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Shawn wrote: Ok...its possible it will be heard in Committee on the 31st. No time yet, but I'll keep you guys posted...has anybody sent emails to the committee members yet?NO. I was messing with my settings and turned off email alerts for MO and have missed most everything in the thread for the last week or so. I'll get emails sent to the committee members. I have not received further replies to any of my other emails. You rock Shawn!! Great work on this. I'll get some more support sent out in the next few days. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Guys...here is when the meeting is going to be scheduled: We have scheduled a hearing for HB875 for next Tuesday, March 31, at 8:00 am in Hearing Room 4. |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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I'll be working that day!! |
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blade Regular Member
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Gr8!!!!!! What a nice birthday present!  |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Team, We had 3 people in support of this bill. President of the "Missouri Family Network". Turns out he knows the family. Whitney O'Daniel (NRA-Government Relations) and I. After talking with Representative Largent and O'Daniel, both were of the opinion that it will pass the house, but the fight will be in the Senate. Thanks to those that sent emails and for future reference, you can supply an email and have it submitted for witness testimony, or at least that is what they did on another bill. Wish we could have gotten this introduced in the Senate with its own version, but I think we can at least get a floor vote in the house and kick it over and see what happens. I follow up with additional replies, as I find out more info with tracking. Please continue to follow up with your representatives if you haven't already. Thanks. |
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lancers Regular Member
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Thanks Shawn. I'm still not sure, should I email the committee members or is it to late for that? Should I email my reps (house and senate) now or wait on the senate? Last edited on Tue Mar 31st, 2009 11:16 pm by lancers |
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Shawn Regular Member
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lancers wrote: Thanks Shawn. I'm still not sure, should I email the committee members or is it to late for that? Hey Lancer, I'm not sure when they are going to vote on it, today was the public hearing to give testimony. I would follow up with the committee members and let them know you would like to see it given a "Do Pass". Then it should show up on the calendar for a floor vote. It doesn't hurt to give a shout out to your rep either. Once it passes the house, then we can follow up with those in the Senate. Also, please follow up with an email to Largent and thank him for sponsoring it and that you support its passage. You could simply copy him when sending an email to your rep. HB875 Remember, there is no need to talk about OC...just what it says on the HB page: Requires political subdivisions to regulate firearms by adopting ordinances consistent with the weapons offenses and with the justification defense in state law. |
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Great news. Last edited on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 01:27 am by RU98A |
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lancers Regular Member
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I emailed the committee members, my house rep and sent a thanks to Largent. I can't wait to hear back from some. Shawn, since you were there, what was the general consensus about the bill? Do you think it really has a chance this year? Last edited on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 08:34 am by lancers |
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9026543 Regular Member
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Was anyone form the missouricarry.com group in attendance? Their leadership seems to be in opposition of OC in MO for some reason. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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lancers wrote: I emailed the committee members, my house rep and sent a thanks to Largent. I can't wait to hear back from some. Lancers...I do have a good feeling about this. Good questions from the committee members and now its up to us to get the support generated to make sure its passed. Lets make sure the 3rd time is the charm! |
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Shawn Regular Member
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9026543 wrote: Was anyone form the missouricarry.com group in attendance? Their leadership seems to be in opposition of OC in MO for some reason. 902, They have their own agenda, they say they support OC, but they won't if it gets in the way of their agenda. They show up in support of their bills, send emails and go visit their Reps and Senators. Its hard to get people to drive to Jeff just to talk for 15 minutes (6-8 hr drive both ways for some) and it says a lot to the committees when people give testimony. I really want HB875 passed, because we should first and foremost obey the constitution, before we start worrying about changing permits from 5 to 6 years or saying you can have it on parking lots. This is my opinion. They are good people pushing what they want. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Team, This bill has passed out of Committee!!!! Please contact your Representatives again and let them know we need this passed! http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/action/aHB875.htm |
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Steelviper Regular Member
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I emailed Viebrock (my rep). I'll post any reply. |
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lancers Regular Member
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GREAT NEWS! It didn't pass committee last year did it? |
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BroadwayXD Regular Member
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is this not what we wanted? im seeing that it has passed but i could be wrong http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bilsum/perf/sHB668P.htm |
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lancers Regular Member
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BroadwayXD wrote: is this not what we wanted? No kididng. Was it added to HB668? If so, that is damn near my dream bill. Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2009 11:19 pm by lancers |
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Steelviper Regular Member
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It looks like they tacked it on. It's in the perfected version of the bill. The news stories are focusing on the age lowering and the campus carry, and ignoring the state preemption part, but it looks like a grand slam if it passes house again (and senate). |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Third reading is tomorrow and the on to the Senate!! http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/cal/calh015.htm |
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lancers Regular Member
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Looks like the combining of firearms bills caused my rep to vote NO yesterday. I just received a letter in the mail responding to my email. She said she agreed with HB 875, but had concerns about HB 645, regarding campus carry. So now that they put them together, she voted NO. |
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9026543 Regular Member
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I believe that the campus carry will be stripped either in the House or Senate and the rest of the bill will be a go. |
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lancers Regular Member
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Shawn wrote: Third reading is tomorrow and the on to the Senate!! Looks like it is now Tuesday, the 14th, but I thought it did say today. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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lancers wrote: Looks like it is now Tuesday, the 14th, but I thought it did say today. Yes...hmm...wonder why it didn't get a vote today? Did you see how many voted for this bill on its second reading? AYES 116, NOES 33, Present 0, absent on leave 14. Very nice...can't wait for the 14th! Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 04:34 am by Shawn |
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lancers Regular Member
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It gives me time to respond to my rep trying to convince her CCW on campus is a good thing. Appears to be the only thing holding her back. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member 
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with everything being rolled into one bill, what exactly will this mean for all of us as far as preemption goes? ccw permits will no longer be required? open carry feasible without penalties now? I know that one of the goals is to eliminate local ordinances from municipalities, city ord. etc from being able to supersede state law regarding firearms....i think? i've tried to follow as much as possible but am still unsure as to what the all in one bill will mean, if someone could elaborate, that would be much appreciated. thanks again! also, as supporters, what are our current courses of action that we can be doing? Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 03:43 pm by nrepuyan |
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Steelviper Regular Member
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nrepuyan wrote: with everything being rolled into one bill, what exactly will this mean for all of us as far as preemption goes? ccw permits will no longer be required? open carry feasible without penalties now? I know that one of the goals is to eliminate local ordinances from municipalities, city ord. etc from being able to supersede state law regarding firearms....i think?No, we'd still need permits to CCW. The preemption is all about the local ordinances which created a patchwork of legal and illegal places with regards to open carry (which has never required a permit). So if it passes, we will be able to open carry anyplace we'd be allowed to otherwise possess a gun. The ccw stuff in the bill just pertains to the minimum age and the campus carry clauses. It's a pretty exciting bill. I'm kinda stunned that it's gotten this far already. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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so really this means that it would make it uniform statewide and override city ordinances that say you can ONLY conceal carry? CCW permits would only then be needed for....[not sure of what places one would be required if open carry is legal] I know here in st. louis, it's illegal according to city ordinance to open carry a firearm. But I believe that I'm interpreting what you're saying about CCW is that if you choose to conceal carry, then you would still need your CCW, which would be understandable? what are we all thinking the odds are that this will pass the senate this year....how long do we think this is going to take? |
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lancers Regular Member
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nrepuyan wrote: so really this means that it would make it uniform statewide and override city ordinances that say you can ONLY conceal carry? Yes. It should make all firearms laws by municipalities, cities, and counties null and void with the exception of discharging a firearm not in self defense If you carry concealed, you'll need a permit. You can carry openly without a permit though. I'm thinking the odds are looking very good now. I did not expect the house vote to be so huge, especially since all of the firearms bills got put together. I know it still has to make it through the senate, where I like member 9026543, expect something to drop out of it; probably campus carry. I see no reason for open carry not to make it though since everyone is distracted by other parts of the bill. I don't know exactly how long, but I'd guess less than a month. I believe the bill, if passed, will take effect in late August. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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the bill got amended to preempt open carry, yes?? |
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Broondog Regular Member
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boy am i late! i just got home from work and found the NRA-ILA notice about this in my inbox. i'm doing a "happy dance" in my chair right now. |
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lancers Regular Member
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Mike wrote: style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"the bill got amended to preempt open carry, yes?? Yes and it's getting very little attention. Also included to this section of law is allowing cities and counties the ability to block illegal immigrants from owning, transferring, and possessing guns. This was voted yes to be added by all but 3 reps. This means that this part of the bill (open carry) probably won't be messed with any more. |
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lancers Regular Member
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I got another email from my rep, Kratky, again. She is still stuck on college carry.Thank you so much for all your information you provided. I do respect I wrote her back again even though I don't think it will much matter. She doesn't realize most Frat houses are off-campus already like at my school, UMSL. I always just mean to write a paragraph, but end up writing a page or so. There is just so much overwhelming evidence I can't stop typing. I left off my response with... "I just ask that you give lawful citizens, which Missouri has already determined by issuing the permit, another option besides hiding under a desk and waiting for their turn to be executed. I hope if this bill does not pass, that no shooter comes onto campus and takes advantage of the thousands of unprotected victims like they have done in so many other states." If they do, I'll be sure to remind her of her vote. |
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lancers Regular Member
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So what happened today with the bill? I don't see anything on the calendar about 668. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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lancers wrote: I got another email from my rep, Kratky, again. She is still stuck on college carry. As I stated to a few coworkers of mine and some others that don't agree with the idea of college carry...my opinion is this.... When thinking about college carry concealed.... let's look at how much you have to go thru to obtain the permit to begin with... quite a bit of stuff... 8hr class....125-150 for the class.....gotta buy the gun....then you gotta pay another 75-150 to apply for the permit....which involves going many different places? it's my theory that most college kids being college kids are not going to be responsible/mature/motivated enough to go thru ALL of the steps....i mean seriously....take a look at some of the people you went to school with or went to college with.....how many of them actually wanted to go out of their way SPEND money on and take ANOTHER class and then wait for a permit? not sure about you, but most people i knew of from age 21-25 you couldn't even motivate enough to do homework, get their books for classes or get the correct parking permit for that matter let alone expect them to know about or even go thru the process for CCW. Therefore I believe that those responsible law biding citizens that wish to carry will and a majority of the students won't...and the students who do choose to carry will most likely be the older students / grad students possibly...ones that have demonstrated themselves to be adults. anyone elses thoughts? i myself, am only 23....24 in july but this is truely what i believe on the CCW on campus. I don't honestly believe that it has anything to do with students whatsoever....it's just an easy excuse to use if you feel you are too far on one side of the fence or the other. also....as stated in the above post....did anything happen on the 14th??? Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 04:24 pm by nrepuyan |
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lancers Regular Member
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Looks like it's on the calendar for today, Wednesday the 15th now. Not sure what happened yesterday or if it's a good or bad thing. Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:18 pm by lancers |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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::fingers crossed:: |
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Broondog Regular Member
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it looks like nothing new has happened so far with this bill, at least as far as i can see. but i contacted Senator Engler about supporting this bill if and when it makes it to the Senate and he assured me that he would. my Rep, who is Fallert, is as Dem as they come. talking to him is like talking to a brick wall. |
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lancers Regular Member
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Is now on the calendar for FIFTY-SIXTH DAY, THURSDAY, APRIL 16, 2009 Starting to scare me. |
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showmerancher Regular Member
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Third read was today and passed (H) |
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Broondog Regular Member
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the NRA-ILA Alert i just got says it passed the House. quote from email.... [size=Missouri][size=: Castle Doctrine Expansion Bill Needs Your Help! end quote......
now it's on to the Senate. Engler says he's on board. get with your Senators and lets get this one thru this time! Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 11:49 pm by Broondog |
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lancers Regular Member
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Awesome news. Do we know what the final vote was yet? |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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does anyone have a pre-made email to be used with the current bill moving on to the senate? |
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BroadwayXD Regular Member
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house voted yes yesterday as is 105/50 on to senate |
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lancers Regular Member
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Looks like 50 reps need to be replaced ASAP AYES: 105 Allen Aull Biermann Bivins Brandom Bringer Brown 30 Brown 149 Bruns Burlison Calloway Casey Cooper Cox Cunningham Davis Day Deeken Denison Dethrow Dieckhaus Diehl Dixon Dougherty Dugger Dusenberg Emery Ervin Faith Fallert Fischer 107 Fisher 125 Flanigan Flook Frame Franz Funderburk Gatschenberger Grisamore Guernsey Guest Harris Hobbs Hoskins 121 Hughes Icet Jones 89 Jones 117 Keeney Kingery Koenig Komo Kraus Kuessner Lair Largent Leara Liese Lipke Loehner McNary Meadows Molendorp Munzlinger Nance Nieves Nolte Parkinson Parson Pollock Pratt Riddle Ruestman Ruzicka Sander Sater Scavuzzo Schaaf Schad Scharnhorst Schieffer Schlottach Schoeller Self Shively Silvey Smith 14 Smith 150 Stevenson Sutherland Swinger Thomson Tilley Tracy Wallace Wasson Wells Weter Wilson 119 Wilson 130 Witte Wood Yates Zerr Mr Speaker NOES: 050 Atkins Brown 50 Brown 73 Burnett Carter Chappelle-Nadal Colona Corcoran Curls El-Amin Englund Hodges Hoskins 80 Hummel Kander Kelly Kirkton Kratky Lampe LeBlanc Low McClanahan McDonald McGhee McNeil Meiners Nasheed Norr Oxford Pace Quinn Rucker Schoemehl Schupp Skaggs Spreng Still Storch Stream Talboy Todd Vogt Walsh Walton Gray Webb Webber Wildberger Wright Yaeger Zimmerman Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2009 09:39 pm by lancers |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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I have sent a thank you email to my rep and another request for support to my senator. So, um, if this does pass the senate, what does everyone think the chance is that Nixon will sign it instead of veto? |
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James357 Regular Member
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I have my fingers crossed but I don't expect him to sign it. |
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James357 Regular Member
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Even with the bill winning ultimate House approval Thursday, the Senate could still strip Munzlinger's amendment or could filibuster the bill when it is considered. Although Republicans control Missouri's upper legislative chamber 23 to 11, state Rep. Jeff Roorda, D-Barnhart — who opposed the House bill — said he doesn't expect the amendment to survive through the Senate. |
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Hey everyone! I am new on here but have reading the forums for a while! You all are doing a great job and are all great Americans! I live in Jefferson City and am very curious about OC here and have been asking and looking around for answers! I talked to a buddy of mine who is on JCPD and he said that OC in Jefferson City is legal and I also checked out the city ordinances online (http://www.cityofjefferson.net/search/search.cgi) and found this (http://www.cityofjefferson.net/data/chap18.pdf). To me it sounds like I can only open carry on my property or when traveling or hunting! If someone could please let me know what they think it would be very appreciated! |
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Johnyt101 Regular Member
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Is a veto override likely? Would the Gov sign it without the amendment? I guess we will have to wait and see what the senate does. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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This is when a Mcds song is in order...."I'm loving it" I'll type up a email response early next week and I'll get all of the senator's emails in an excel for everybody also. I'm OOO, so it will have to wait. We might have a fight in the Senate....but I'm not sure about that just yet. |
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James357 wrote: Even with the bill winning ultimate House approval Thursday, the Senate could still strip Munzlinger's amendment or could filibuster the bill when it is considered. Although Republicans control Missouri's upper legislative chamber 23 to 11, state Rep. Jeff Roorda, D-Barnhart — who opposed the House bill — said he doesn't expect the amendment to survive through the Senate. Expected the open carry amendment to fail? Where did you see this? |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Not sure I like this part of the bill. Not because I disagree with students' need/right to carry, but because this might be the very reason Nixon vetos the whole bill, thereby killing open carry. Thoughts on this from others? TG |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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tjgmba wrote: Not sure I like this part of the bill. Not because I disagree with students' need/right to carry, but because this might be the very reason Nixon vetos the whole bill, thereby killing open carry. My sentiments exactly!! I know there's lots of the college population that is legitimately responsible, and of legal age, but any residences in college dormatory property, may have the potential to be in an irresponsible environment anytime parties and CCW are in the same environment, thats where the brakes will screech to a halt in my opinion.. just have to wait and see! |
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Broondog Regular Member
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this bill is already on the Senate calender for a second reading. anybody hear if it is being altered at all? |
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9026543 Regular Member
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If HB 668 goes down in flames would a new court challenge to the unconstitutional local ordinances be in order? Missouri Constitution Article I BILL OF RIGHTS Section 23 August 28, 2008  Right to keep and bear arms--exception. Section 23. That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons. Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, § 17. |
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Carnivore wrote: tjgmba wrote:just re-voicing my opinion from a few posts ago...Not sure I like this part of the bill. Not because I disagree with students' need/right to carry, but because this might be the very reason Nixon vetos the whole bill, thereby killing open carry. ...comments? As I stated to a few coworkers of mine and some others that don't agree with the idea of college carry...my opinion is this.... When thinking about college carry concealed.... let's look at how much you have to go thru to obtain the permit to begin with... quite a bit of stuff... 8hr class....125-150 for the class.....gotta buy the gun....then you gotta pay another 75-150 to apply for the permit....which involves going many different places? it's my theory that most college kids being college kids are not going to be responsible/mature/motivated enough to go thru ALL of the steps....i mean seriously....take a look at some of the people you went to school with or went to college with.....how many of them actually wanted to go out of their way SPEND money on and take ANOTHER class and then wait for a permit? not sure about you, but most people i knew of from age 21-25 you couldn't even motivate enough to do homework, get their books for classes or get the correct parking permit for that matter let alone expect them to know about or even go thru the process for CCW. Therefore I believe that those responsible law biding citizens that wish to carry will and a majority of the students won't...and the students who do choose to carry will most likely be the older students / grad students possibly...ones that have demonstrated themselves to be adults. anyone elses thoughts? i myself, am only 23....24 in july but this is truely what i believe on the CCW on campus. I don't honestly believe that it has anything to do with students whatsoever....it's just an easy excuse to use if you feel you are too far on one side of the fence or the other. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Broondog wrote: this bill is already on the Senate calender for a second reading. anybody hear if it is being altered at all? Broon, After it passes its second reading it will go to a committee and then have amendments added or removed. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Info on status of bill: http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/action/aHB668.htm Sample email: Senator “name”, I’m writing to you today to ask that you support HB668. This bill will do a couple of things and I would like to point them out to you. 1. The bill will specify when deadly force can be used on “Private Property” (RSMo 563). 2. The bill will lower the age limit from 23 to 21 for a ccw license and allow a Sheriff to charge $10 for either a name or change of address to the license. 3. Antique firearms, as defined in Federal law, are exempt from the weapon statues. 4. Removes higher institutions from the places a valid ccw license holder may carry and 5. Will ensure that all political subdivisions will incorporate state law by adopting ordinances consistent with the weapons offenses in Sections 571.010 - 571.070, RSMo, and with the justification defenses in Chapter 563, except that political subdivisions are allowed to prohibit illegal immigrants from selling, purchasing, transferring, owning, using, or possessing firearms, components, or ammunition. Please let me know if you have any questions about this legislation and if you will be able to vote for its passage. Respectfully, Attachment: Senators Info.pdf (Downloaded 17 times) |
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aircooledbusnut Regular Member
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04/23/2009 Second Rd/Refer: Judiciary &Civil &Criminal Jurispudence(S) |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Link not good. got another?? |
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Steelviper Regular Member
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Carnivore wrote: Link not good. got another?? Not his fault. That's the "last action" link. Maybe it'll work later. Here's the link to the overall bill info (again): http://house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/hb668.htm |
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Broondog Regular Member
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HB 668 has been sent to The Senate Judiciary and Civil and Criminal Jurisprudence Committee. http://www.senate.mo.gov/09info/comm/judi.htm the committee consists of 5 republicans and 2 democrats. if any of these Senators belong to you i implore you to contact them in support of this bill. Matt Bartle (R) - Committee Chair - District 8, County: Jackson Jack Goodman (R) - Committe Vice-Chair - District 29, Counties: Barry, Lawrence, McDonald, Ozark, Stone and Taney Jane Cunningham (R) - District 7 - County: part of St. Louis Rob Mayer (R) - District 25 - Counties: Butler, Dunklin, New Madrid, Pemiscot, Ripley, Stoddard and Wayne Kurt Schaefer (R) - District 19 - Counties: Boone and Randolf Jolie Justus (D) - District 10 - County: Jackson Jeff Smith (D) - District 4 - County: part of St. Louis lets get these folks on board and try our best to get this bill out of committee much the same as it went in. if they don't hear from you, they don't know how you feel! |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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Broondog wrote:HB 668 has been sent to The Senate Judiciary and Civil and Criminal Jurisprudence Committee. http://www.senate.mo.gov/09info/comm/judi.htm just emailed both senators representing st. louis...they are both out of my district but emailed anyway. |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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Folks, you might want to pass this report on to our Senators: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-liebowitz_23edi.State.Edition1.205ac09.html |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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No response from anyone out of my district, but my senator responded with: "Thank you very much for your email. I am a strong 2nd amendment supporter and too was please to see the legislation pass the house. Now I will work to get it passed in the senate." |
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lancers Regular Member
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I emailed my senator over a week ago and just got this response...Brett, I'm going to work on him now. I guess he doesn't understand that criminals don't care if he is not supportive of guns on campus or not. Last edited on Sun Apr 26th, 2009 07:37 am by lancers |
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Shawn Regular Member
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Can we get the names of the Senators with your posts? |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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lancers wrote: I emailed my senator over a week ago and just got this response... Shooting inside Hampton University dormUpdated: Sunday, 26 Apr 2009, 10:50 AM EDT Published : Sunday, 26 Apr 2009, 4:41 AM EDT HAMPTON, Va. - Hampton Police and Hampton University school officials confirm there was a shooting on campus overnight. It happened in Harkness Hall, a freshman's dorm, around 12:30 a.m. Hampton Police tell WAVY.com that an 18-year-old Richmond man, entered the dorm and shot two men, a 62-year-old man and a 43-year-old man, both from Hampton. He then turned the gun on himself. The three men were transported to local hospitals where they are currently being treated for their injuries. No current students at the University were involved or injured during this incident. Officials evacuated the dorm within minutes, and a text message went out to students saying "There has been a shooting at Harkness Hall. The suspect has been apprehended and the campus is safe." Anyone with information is encouraged to contact the Hampton Police Division at 727-6111 or Crime Line at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP. Stay with WAVY.com for more on this developing story. |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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Shawn wrote: Can we get the names of the Senators with your posts? "Thank you very much for your email. I am a strong 2nd amendment supporter and too was please to see the legislation pass the house. Now I will work to get it passed in the senate. Jason Crowell" |
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Bob Sliger Regular Member
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***********FOR WIDEST POSSIBLE DISTRIBUTION********************* All, HB668 (College Carry and lowering the age for CCW from 23 to 21) has now passed the MO House by a 105 -50 vote margin. On the the Senate. We have heard that the Senate has a number of amendments ready that they are going to try to attach to the bill to strip off College Carry and change the bill for the worse. You need to clearly communicate with the MO Senate. They need many incoming calls, emails, faxes and letters telling your senator that you support HB668, and you want HB668 passed *as is* without amendment. There are only three weeks left in this session, so time is critical. Many legislators have bills *they* want passed. We need to tell them *we* want this bill passed this year. In the subject line of your communications to the senators write "Support HB668 Without Amendments. We must send a clear message to the legislature. Call or write your elected officials today. To find your Senator and/or for contact information for members of the committee, see this thread on MissouriCarry.com: http://www.missouricarry.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26500 Be Safe, Tim Oliver If you have received this email in error, or do not want to be notified when 2A legislative matters are pending, please email me @ Tim@learntocarry.com and you will be take off the distribution list. |
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tjgmba Regular Member
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As I've stated before, and unless I misunderstand the previous post, it is our objective to get open carry passed. If they strip campus carry from the bill and our portion gets passed wihtout it, we've accomplished our objective. I don't think it's our primary objective to get campus carry passed. So if we take a stand on Tim Oliver's suggestion, we might be cutting our own throats. Or....am I missing something? TG |
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Shawn Regular Member
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tjgmba wrote: Or....am I missing something? Correct....on this board, we are looking at full state preemption. Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 11:38 pm by Shawn |
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9026543 Regular Member
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If Campus carry gets striped from HB668 I look for the whole thing to be killed. There are some in so called leadership positions that do not want open carry pre-emption to be passed for some reason and they will let the rest of the bill die if campus carry is stripped out. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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9026543 wrote: If Campus carry gets striped from HB668 I look for the whole thing to be killed. There are some in so called leadership positions that do not want open carry pre-emption to be passed for some reason and they will let the rest of the bill die if campus carry is stripped out. 902...not sure where you are getting your info from, but this bill does several things: 1. The bill will specify when deadly force can be used on “Private Property” (RSMo 563). 2. The bill will lower the age limit from 23 to 21 for a ccw license and allow a Sheriff to charge $10 for either a name or change of address to the license. 3. Antique firearms, as defined in Federal law, are exempt from the weapon statues. 4. Removes higher institutions from the places a valid ccw license holder may carry and 5. Will ensure that all political subdivisions will incorporate state law by adopting ordinances consistent with the weapons offenses in Sections 571.010 - 571.070, RSMo, and with the justification defenses in Chapter 563, except that political subdivisions are allowed to prohibit illegal immigrants from selling, purchasing, transferring, owning, using, or possessing firearms, components, or ammunition. If they take #4 out, they will not ditch the whole bill. |
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showmerancher Regular Member
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Sen. Bill Stouffer informs me that he'll probably be the Senate sponsor of HR 668, and so will of course be supporting it. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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the suspense is killing me... |
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Broondog Regular Member
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nrepuyan wrote: the suspense is killing me... yeah, me too. i've been reading the Senate Journal daily/nightly watching for the bill to come out of committee. IIRC, this bill spent a dozen days in its first House committee and about 20 days in its second. i wish the Judiciary and Civil and Criminal Jurisprudence Committee had a daily journal so we could see what's going on in there. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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honestly this entire bill has been why i've been putting off bothering with applying for my ccw license...as a correctional officer i suppose i really don't need one but comes in handy has a professional courtesy thing i suppose...but if this bill passes, what the hey. |
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9026543 Regular Member
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Shawn wrote: 9026543 wrote:If Campus carry gets striped from HB668 I look for the whole thing to be killed. There are some in so called leadership positions that do not want open carry pre-emption to be passed for some reason and they will let the rest of the bill die if campus carry is stripped out. I was talking about some of the so called leadership of some of the gun groups that seem to be opposed to state wide open carry. Got this opinion from some of the post they have made on their forums. Got the idea that they would not support or push HB668 much if the campus carry got stripped out. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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says hearing not scheduled and not on calendar... is that good or bad? |
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Shawn Regular Member
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nrepuyan wrote: says hearing not scheduled and not on calendar... Just got an email that says next Monday...if I get any updated info, I'll pass along. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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I just received a resposne back from an email i sent to Jeff Smith in STL. Here is the response I received... Nathan, I replied to his response and not sure if it was appropriate, but i suppose it's done...at least I attempted to reason? Here is my reply to Mr. Smith... Mr. Smith, |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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and the response to the one i just sent...Nathan, |
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lancers Regular Member
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I got the same response from Jeff Smith about how Universities will fall apart if the law is passed. "Safety Alert from UMKC Police May 4, 2009 STATEMENT ON REPORTED ATTEMPTED ROBBERY At approximately 10:20 p.m., Friday, May 1, the University of Missouri-Kansas City Police Department received a report of an attempted robbery of a faculty member at the south side of Oak Street Residence Hall. " Good thing that professor wasn't able to harm those misguided robbery suspects. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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lancers wrote:I got the same response from Jeff Smith about how Universities will fall apart if the law is passed. you should forward that article along to mr smith. |
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showmerancher Regular Member
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The Judiciary and Civil and Criminal Jurisprudence committee will take up HR 668 on Monday at 6 P.M. (or upon adjournment) in the Senate Lounge. |
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Bob Sliger Regular Member
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*****************FOR WIDEST POSSIBLE DISTRIBUTION********************** When legislators do not want people to show up and testify at Hearings, they post the Notice of Hearing late in the day on Friday for a Monday Hearing. That is exactly what has happened on HB668, the College-Carry Bill. The Notice went up today for a Hearing in front of the SENATE JUDICIARY AND CIVIL AND CRIMINAL JURISPRUDENCE Committee. The Hearing on HB688 will be Monday, 05/11/2009 at 6:00 PM OR UPON ADJOURNMENT in the Senate Lounge. EXECUTIVE SESSION MAY OR MAY NOT FOLLOW. The Senators do not want us to be there. WE NEED TO TURN OUT IN FORCE!!! The intent of the Senate is to pass a Senate Committee Substitute (SCS) for HB668 with College Carry, the improved Castle Doctrine language, and the Open Carry language *ALL* stripped out, leaving only the age change from 23 to 21 for ccw permit holders left in. They are under the mistaken impression that they can do this and then loudly proclaim, "We Passed a Pro-Gun Bill!" all while patting themselves on the back and congratulating each other and expecting us to be grateful. They expect us to forget that the Senate failed us on three out of four very important issues. After checking all my sources in the Executive Branch and the media: There is *absolutely no indication* the Governor would Veto the full strength HB668 as it is now written. Failure to pass the House version of HB668 lies at the Senate's feet. Please Contact your Senator and the members of the Judiciary Committee at their District Office this weekend and in the Capitol Office on Monday. To Find your Senator see: http://www.senate.mo.gov/llookup/leg_lookup.aspx For contact info for the members of the Judiciary Committee see: http://www.senate.mo.gov/09info/comm/judi.htm The SENATE JUDICIARY AND CIVIL AND CRIMINAL JURISPRUDENCE Committee is made up of: MEMBERS: Matt Bartle, 8th, Chairman Jack Goodman, 29th, Vice-Chairman Jane Cunningham, 7th Rob Mayer, 25th Kurt Schaefer, 19th Jolie Justus, 10th Jeff Smith, 4th These folks especially need to hear from us - via email, faxes and phone calls. The message to the Senators is: *"We are in favor of HB668 as passed out of the House, but OPPOSED if Amended or Substituted in the Senate committee!"* BOOTS ON THE GROUND CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE MONDAY NIGHT! If you care about HB668, you must be in the Capitol Monday night. We need people there to fill out Witness Forms and provide written testimony with the above message spelled out in large letters in RED INK! Please plan on meeting in the Third Floor Senate Hall outside the Senate Lounge by 5:30 or as soon as you can get there. Several thousand contacts by phone, fax and email and YOUR PRESENCE CAN CHANGE THE OUTCOME OF THE HEARING. Be Safe, Tim Oliver |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Bob I'm off on monday, and can accomodate 3 riders along with me, or would like to get in on a caravan headed for the capitol that day. |
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Bob Sliger Regular Member
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Carnivore, I wish I could go but thats the day I get ready to leave early Tuesday Morning for Phoenix and the NRA Convention. Good Luck... I think we will win this one. Bob |
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Bob Sliger Regular Member
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College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader Last edited on Sat May 9th, 2009 02:51 pm by Bob Sliger |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Carnivore is gonna bail out on the trip to Jeff. City tomorrow, I've Kinda rescheduled my day to help cleanup a house my Dad ownes that got flooded from the storm Friday. I've got lots to keep me busy helping out there, and I'm not in the habit of putting anything that concerns Mom and Dad on the back burner.. |
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Broondog Regular Member
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while i am also unable to make it to Jeff City today, i have emailed the entire committee and called committee Chair Bartle's office. Senator Engler, my guy, also got a call today to remind him to be in attendance and to show my support. ......fingers are crossed...... |
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lancers Regular Member
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I could not make it Monday either since I had a couple of finals at that time. I too emailed all the committee members. I also sent this to Jeff Smith this weekend... Senator Jeff Smith: He replied Monday night at 8:40PM... Brett- Thank you for the additional information. Jeff Smith So I don't think that means he will be changing his mind. I know if he does not, I will actively help campaign for any one who runs against him next term. |
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Lunie Regular Member
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I was not aware of this bill, but I do hope that it passes, and that Jay Nixon will sign it when it does. I am very glad that my state rep was among the "Aye" votes, and I am going to get on the horn with my senator. |
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9026543 Regular Member
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The Columbia Missourian newspaper is not to confident that HB668 will ever make it out of committee and make it to the floor of the Senate in time for passage this week. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/05/12/concealed-carry-bill-stalls-senate-committee/ Kmox radio says it is a no go. I hope they are both wrong but doesn't look good. I guess the Senate committee also says our way or nothing. http://www.kmox.com/Conceal-carry-bill-wont-be-passed-this-session/4376730 Last edited on Tue May 12th, 2009 01:58 pm by 9026543 |
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Shawn Regular Member
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9026543 wrote: The Columbia Missourian newspaper is not to confident that HB668 will ever make it out of committee and make it to the floor of the Senate in time for passage this week. Here is Matt Bartle's # (573) 751-1464 Please call the office and tell them to vote on HB 668 and get it to the floor for a full vote! You must do this even if you have already called! |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Got er done !! Had to leave it on an answering machine though |
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James357 Regular Member
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I actually got to talk to someone.. |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Was it a positive interaction/feedback ?? |
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James357 Regular Member
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I talked to the lady that answered the phone. I ask for Mr. Bartle and she said he wasn't available at that moment. I ask her to tell him to please vote on HB 668 and get it to the floor for a full vote! She ask my name and address and said she would tell him. Jim |
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James357 Regular Member
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Well it doesn't look good. Gun Bill Stalls in Senate The committee chair, Sen. Matt Bartle, R - Jackson, has already spoken up in support of the bill. The measure needs only one more vote from the Senate Judiciary Committee before it reaches the Senate Floor. By early Tuesday morning, it became clear the bill will not be able to go through all of the steps needed for it to pass before the legislative session ends this week. |
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9026543 Regular Member
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Well it looks like the Missouri Concealed Carry group helped to kill this bill. According to their forum they had a group of 30 to 45 people in attendance for the hearing on HB668. They went for the stated purpose of letting the Senators know if campus carry was stripped form the bill they would work to kill the entire bill. Looks like the Senate committee is going to save them work and not let the bill come out of committee. |
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captainamerica Regular Member
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Are you sure that's the way it went down? |
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Steelviper Regular Member
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According to this other thread: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum33/25734.html "As of last Friday morning HB668 was a done deal. The Senators had agreed to strip everything but 23-21 from the bill, call it a great pro-gun victory and expect our support in the next election" so they said "Give us HB668 as written in the House or give us nothing!" To their credit, if it WAS going to go down like they said it was, we were going to lose the state-wide preemption anyway. The odds of this thing being railroaded through the way it needed to be in order to pass this session were slim anyway, particularly with a controversial clause like campus carry on-board. I think attributing the bill's death to them is oversimplifying, and probably overestimating their impact on the process. With some of the dems promising to filibuster the bill, I think its death this session was a foregone conclusion. I'm hoping this bill comes back again next session, with similar amendments (with the amendments being most of what I really want to see go through). Honestly I'm not terribly attached to the campus carry, or at least not so much that I'm willing to see the rest of the clauses sunk by a veto. |
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9026543 Regular Member
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captainamerica wrote: Are you sure that's the way it went down? For your reading pleasure. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum33/25734.html |
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lancers Regular Member
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Has anyone talked to a senator in the committee to find out if they already decided not to vote on the bill? |
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Shawn Regular Member
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I called again today and lvm.....with # to find out progress. If they call me back, I'll post again. |
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lancers Regular Member
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More information that our campuses are so safe...
UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI-ST. LOUIS POLICE DEPARTMENT PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND CLERY RELEASE 09-1 MAY 14, 2009
On May 13, 2009 at approximately 9:55 PM an individual was approached by a subject on the UMSL south Metrolink platform. The subject made a sexually suggestive comment and touched the victim inappropriately. When she resisted he struck her and stole her money. The St. Louis County Police are investigating this offense as it occurred in their jurisdiction, however the UMSL Police are stepping up patrols in this area. There was a similar incident on April 30, 2009, but no one was hurt or had any property taken. The perpetrators are described only as Black/Males, possibly 18-25 years of age. Any member of the UMSL community who may encounter someone in this area and feels uncomfortable should call the UMSL Police immediately. An escort can also be provided by the UMSL Police. Remember, that a call to 911 on your cell phone will not go to the UMSL Police, but to St. Louis County. This will delay the response of the UMSL Police, so call 516-5155. Last edited on Thu May 14th, 2009 08:26 pm by lancers |
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lancers Regular Member
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I sent that UMSL crime release to Senator Jeff Smith and ask him "Will HB 668 be voted on by the Committee this session? " His response... "I do not know. Sorry." |
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Lunie Regular Member
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I go to UMR... now Missouri S&T. Anyway... getting tired of receiving all of the crime bulletins from the campus police. They tend to be a lot of sexually related incidents (of which thankfully many are unsuccessful), some robberies, and that sort of thing. I think campus CCW might help curb those incidents, and attempts. With that said, I don't think there is a place in Rolla I would be afraid to walk at any time of day or night. I am also male, have no money or anything of value, and look it. I'm too young for CCW yet. Back to the bill, when would the next chance for one of these be? |
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9026543 Regular Member
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Next legislative session will start Jan 1, 2010. But 2010 is an election year so nothing controversial will get very far. Besides the Senate and House only convene at around 4pm on Mondays and adjourns around 3pm on Thursdays. That is only three days per week that they are in session excluding holidays. Of course a lot of backroom deals are made otherwise. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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so...we're dead in the water yet ANOTHER year? |
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9026543 Regular Member
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Yep, and I don't look for anything to be passed in 2010 either. nrepuyan wrote: so...we're dead in the water yet ANOTHER year? |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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great. |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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So do we now need a list of Names who don't get our support at the next voting polls??????? |
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James357 Regular Member
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I'll second that! |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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i guess we pray in the meantime?? |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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so what exactly happened to this thing? they just decided to not even vote on it, even after the public hearing? |
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9026543 Regular Member
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nrepuyan wrote: so what exactly happened to this thing? That is exactly what happened. Sen. Bartle the chairman of the committee was not in attendance of the hearing as his kid had some kind of function he was attending. HB668 was on his committees desk for quite some time and could have scheduled a hearing when his kid did not have a function to attend. Was Sen. Bartle hiding behind his kid and ducking his responsibility to the citizens of MO? Last edited on Thu May 21st, 2009 12:42 pm by 9026543 |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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so it's officially dead in the water indefinitely? guess i'll be takin that ccw course and payin for something that should be free to do anyway. |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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I was already scheduled for a CCW class, but I was hoping to get this Missouri patchwork of laws cleaned up to be uniform across the state. Different carry options for different reasons and wardrobe is always a good option, I wonder if Citizens can unite and Sue the State of Missouri for allowing individual Municipalities to contradict the constitution of our state of residence. I'd like to be refunded all the State taxes I've paid in to a state that doesn't function as advertised!! |
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James357 Regular Member
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We need to sue somebody. This is rediculous. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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so what do we do now? what's our courses of action now? |
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Carnivore Regular Member
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Well Missouri has given me an agreement, as a resident of this state. The state constitution! I'm a legal resident of this state, and pay the Taxes and fees required of me by the state of Missouri, Under the agreement that as a law abiding legal Citizen of the State of Missouri I/we should have a guarantee that the Constitution of Missouri be the first and foremost written law within it's boundarys.. Mike or Jpierce ya have any legal contacts for us to refer to concerning this ?? |
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9026543 Regular Member
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I believe that the restrictions on open carry by the various municipalities are unconstitutional per the MO Constitution and the Heller decision even though state law says they can. http://www.moga.mo.gov/%5Cconst%5Ca01023.htm BUT there is a MO Supreme decision ( I looked for it but couldn't find it) that says the city of Cape Girardeau could legally restrict open carry. |
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Shawn Regular Member
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9026543 wrote: I believe that the restrictions on open carry by the various municipalities are unconstitutional per the MO Constitution and the Heller decision even though state law says they can. Its a decision out of the eastern district. It wasn't appealed to the MO Supreme court. Joyce vs. Cape Girardeau, I think I've posted a link to the case in another thread, at least talked about it's content. |
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9026543 Regular Member
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I was probably wrong as my memory gets sort of dim sometimes in my old age. If it was just an eastern district decision then a decision in the MO Supreme Court might have a good chance of declaring all the municipal ordinances against open carry illegal. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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and we do this how? |
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rpyne Regular Member
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nrepuyan wrote: i guess we pray in the meantime?? No, you get organized, pick one or two state legislators who voted against you and get out and campaign for their opponent. It doesn't matter if you live in their district or not, get out there and go door to door campaigning for someone who will support your rights. When your candidate wins, hold a news conference and make sure that the whole state knows that your organization will not tolerate having your RTKBA walked on. It only takes unseating a few anti-gunners for them to get the message. |
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nrepuyan Regular Member
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anyone in the st louis area up for something like the aforementioned? |
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