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OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > Texas > Patriot Papers - Second Amendment
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran 
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Check this out for specific reasons why state firearm regulations are illegal. Last edited on Mon Feb 2nd, 2009 10:01 pm by SilentKTexan |
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran
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Please comment and/or make suggestions for improvement/additions. Attachment: PP-2A.pdf (Downloaded 101 times) Last edited on Mon Feb 2nd, 2009 10:03 pm by SilentKTexan |
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BBB Regular Member
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As Texans, we don't need to appeal to the US constitution. We have our own history of fighting for our right to keep and bear arms. We fought against Santa Anna when he came to take our arms, and we won our independence. We wrote our constitution to guarantee our right to keep and bear arms. Texans forgot that in 1868, and we amended the constitution to allow the legislature to regulate our freedom at their whim. We got the 1871 gun ban, including the ban on the famous Bowie knife, and a government run amok against our freedoms. It took armed citizens openly carrying firearms to the state capitol to remove the despot governor Davis in 1873 to take our power back from the government. Texans tried to fix it in 1876 restricting the legislature to only regulate the wearing of arms. It was intended to repeal the 1871 gun ban. Here's an interesting article from Stephen Halbrook on the subject. http://www.guncite.com/journals/haltex.html |
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran
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Yeah and I bet you couldn't find a dozen people that would do that today. Many gun owners would become criminals before they would stand up to the politicians. By criminal I mean still owning guns after a gun ban is passed. |
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran
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Those of you that have been sending me private messages with feedback - Thank you. There have been some great comments. This is not as in depth as I had planned but I didn't have much time available to do more right now. Feel free to forward it around to pro 2A people you may know outside of this site. |
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sheepdog Regular Member
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...you're right...a dozen men willing to put it all on the line and march would be hard to find...we've lost most of the love for freedom that the founders fought and died for...writings like yours bring a sense of shame at how much we've rolled over and accepted that IS totally contrary to our beginnings...and stir the spark of independence in us again...as the writings of patriots were spread through the colonies, and men in taverns and at their tables at home read and discussed them, so these should be spread far and wide...and maybe, just maybe, this material will pre-empt the evening sitcoms...and start a fire again!!!! Keep up the good work!!! |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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You had a dozen men, and they all said guilty. If they had just told the government to shove it when they tried the waco survivors, it would have sent a message that Texas believes in freedom. |
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mrrga25 Founder's Club Member 
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sheepdog wrote: ...you're right...a dozen men willing to put it all on the line and march would be hard to find...we've lost most of the love for freedom that the founders fought and died for...writings like yours bring a sense of shame at how much we've rolled over and accepted that IS totally contrary to our beginnings...and stir the spark of independence in us again...as the writings of patriots were spread through the colonies, and men in taverns and at their tables at home read and discussed them, so these should be spread far and wide...and maybe, just maybe, this material will pre-empt the evening sitcoms...and start a fire again!!!! Keep up the good work!!! I have to disagree. I have served honorably in the service and there are soldiers to day fighting and dying for freedom. I truly believe that if you could unite all the people for a worthy cause as Martin Luther King did, people will rise in the cause they believe in. We stand to push legislation as Open Carry just as they did for Concealed Carry. The fight is just not the same today as before. We can all strap up with every piece of steel and polymer and go marching right up to the doors of the capital and accomplish nothing. Well we could be incarcerated for it. Just because the way that the fight is now fought does not mean that people are not willing to fight that battle. In the 1800's, there was no criminal database there was no employers doing background checks.There was not a no fly list or a FBI watch list. These things are where evolution has brought us. That is the best part of life is that we evolve.You can not say that the people have rolled over and accepted it, because people fight the good fight everyday.We just have to fight it in a different way. I promise you could take the same people today and take them back and they would march with guns strapped to their hip or leg or wherever they could carry it and fight the battle the way it was fought then. The people did not become cowards or weak they have just gotten smarter and more socialized.  Last edited on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 12:31 pm by mrrga25 |
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran
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mrrga25: First off... I want to sincerely thank you for serving our country. I don't want to quote your entire post. But I agree that the way to fight is different these days. We have become more "socialized" according to you and others, but where has that gotten us? Into a society that thinks of political correctness before making any statements and/or actions. I've been trying to think of something that the people could do that would be civil disobedience that wouldn't be violent and people/property wouldn't be touched. But then I think to myself, well the elected officials will just laugh us off because we are just a bunch of people with words. So I am really stumped on what the people should do. The way things are going there will be a world war III in the next 20 years. Last edited on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 03:10 pm by SilentKTexan |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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My wife has specific orders to mix my ashes with white powder and dump me on washington DC. I will have the last laugh sending the rats scurrying for cover......  |
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fighting_for_freedom Regular Member 
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SilentKTexan wrote: I've been trying to think of something that the people could do that would be civil disobedience that wouldn't be violent and people/property wouldn't be touched. But then I think to myself, well the elected officials will just laugh us off because we are just a bunch of people with words. Hypothetical: What if we had enough people who would strap on their guns, loaded, openly carried and who would march right up to the capitol and say enough is enough. What if there were too many of them to be arrested. What if the news media (maybe a decently gun-friendly group) were tipped off to the demonstration beforehand? What if there were enough other supporters who wouldn't carry guns but would march alongside the group to increase the numbers? Would this not be an act of civil disobedience? I grow weary of men who say, "We must pass legislation; we should fight this in the courts." We do not need to fight a legal battle. We should not have to fight this in the courts. The government, both federal and local, has transgressed on our God-given liberties. Bring me the crowd, and I will stand at the front. |
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran
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I agree... That would be worth doing. But I think it would take at least 2,000 people. Even then they may just call in the state guard or something and treat everyone as rioters and start shooting tear gas and bringing out the fire trucks to spray... |
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fighting_for_freedom Regular Member
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SilentKTexan wrote: I agree... That would be worth doing. But I think it would take at least 2,000 people. Even then they may just call in the state guard or something and treat everyone as rioters and start shooting tear gas and bringing out the fire trucks to spray... Could we get at least 2,000 people? Would that be even possible? I'm not afraid of a little water and gas, hell, that sounds like springtime with my dog... rain and way too much gas. I don't live in Texas, but by God, if it were possible to pull something like this off, I'd drive out there and take a stand. Your state, my state... none of that matters. We're all in the same country, we're all fighting for the same rights. As countrymen and brothers, we are bound together. Don't forget to let me know if you guys actually do try and pull this off, I'd hate to be left out....  |
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SilentKTexan Lone Star Veteran
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The sad thing is that I'd probably get 2,000 people that say they would do it and only have 3 people show up. People have too much fear. They say they have too much to lose and its not worth the risk. It's one of those things where you would all have to meet at a warehouse and get everyone pumped up then march on... I just don't see it ever happening. |
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fighting_for_freedom Regular Member
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SilentKTexan wrote: The sad thing is that I'd probably get 2,000 people that say they would do it and only have 3 people show up. Sadly, my friend, I have to agree. Too many are too afraid. There is much to lose, but so much more that can possibly be gained. If only everyone could look past the fear and see the hope. I am an idealist. My fatal flaw, I'm sure. I imagine what could be, but then am bound by what is. If only, if only... if wishes were freedom there would be no oppression. |
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orthzar Regular Member
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It is our time to act to protect and preserve freedom and prosperity for those that are and for those that will be. To not act in favor of freedom, to stay at home when others are out on the front lines is like walking away from your kid as he is drowning within arms length. There are more than enough people who would fight, they just need to be awakened. I know that if I was confronted with the choice between tyranny/safety or freedom/risk, I would spit in the face of tyranny, and grab my Nagant to chase the bastards from our land. I keep hearing that violence is not the answer. What if the Founding Fathers said that violence is not that answer? We would be subjects, instead of citizens. July 4th is probably the single best day to go and stand up for our freedom to own and carry arms, in our state's capital. Jesus tells us that, "I came to cast fire upon the earth; and would it were already kindled!...Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." He says that families will be divided. No one has reason to fear the division of their family. Fear is used by tyrants to suppress our will to survive, our will to be free, and our will to seek salvation for ourselves and our neighbors. Austin clearly prefers that we keep out of site and out of mind when they tell us to conceal our tools of freedom. We must show them how fed up we truly are. The Tea parties were a start, and some across the nation even OC'ed at those rallies. I seem to recall that the Tea parties gathered in the hundreds of thousands, so I think we might be able to get a few percentage points of that, that want our freedoms back at all costs. We alsoeven have the 60,000 signees of the petition to the Texas legislature to decriminalize OC. There are far more than enough people to join in the fight, we just need to show them what their options are: Unite or Die This is my 2 cents Last edited on Wed May 20th, 2009 06:08 am by orthzar |
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forever_frost Regular Member 
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I've already toed the line for my country, I'll do it again. Let's do this. |
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NativeTexan Regular Member
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forever_frost wrote: I've already toed the line for my country, I'll do it again. Let's do this.I too served when called on once before and will gladly commit to this new and most worthy call. |
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cloudcroft Activist Member
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Just remember that some of us are OLD ex combat vets (whether we are aware of that or not) and running around with full battle packs on, climbing barricades and engaging in hand-to-hand fighting are pretty much out of the question now. But we can still shoot real well (and trigger fingers still work, well, most of the time they do). Ooops...were we talking here about a more "civilized" show of our opposition?  -- John D. |
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orthzar Regular Member
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This should be as civilized as possible, like the Martin Luther King Jr. marches. No body should even have to put their fingers to their triggers. This is not a show of force. This is a show of civilized disobedience. |
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NativeTexan Regular Member
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cloudcroft wrote: Just remember that some of us are OLD ex combat vets (whether we are aware of that or not) and running around with full battle packs on, climbing barricades and engaging in hand-to-hand fighting are pretty much out of the question now. But we can still shoot real well (and trigger fingers still work, well, most of the time they do). Hey, just who are you calling OLD? You just wait til I take my daily dose of Geritol and I'll show you just who OLD is! |
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OC-Aviator Regular Member 
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As a Texas Native from Bryan, living abroad in the Army. I would say follow the tenth amendment and get it passed in Texas first. This sets an example for the other states to follow and we would have more support around the nation. If one sqeaky clean guy then challenges the paying for a CPL,CCW or what ever his/her state calls it. More defenders would come to there aid. |
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mike75925 Regular Member
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we have sent our collective greivances, i say march up to the capitol petition in hand, white flag broadly displayed. all carrying of course. remind those a**holes who serves who. if the national gaurd shows up, they should side with the constitution. with us. the cops will try to catch those leaving. and we may be taken from our beds in the middle of the night. these anti-terrorism laws are made against us as well. hold not the founding fathers in such high regard, they seem to feel one way (the constitution) and act another. whiskey rebellion, slavery there are many others but these will be the most recognizable. i like the statement made in 'The Patriot', i would have one tyrant 3000 miles away rather than 3000, one mile away. by allowing one man to govern another, places all at risk. politicians are probably more corrupt than the cops. for the most part, cops are ignorant and viscious. politicians are petty and greedy. the addage of if you can't beat em join comes to mind. yes it would be a lot of money, but how many lives would be saved? though i have never killed a man, i see myself having no real problem in doing so. that's because i will not kill because someone tells me to. if someone seeks what i have to the point of killing me for it, then i am justified in taking from them, or so i feel. i grew up taking punishments not due me for various reasons. one day it donned on me to only take a punishment that i was legitamitly due. in high school, i stopped saying the pledge of allegiance. many of my classmates stated that they would never go to war. by standing out of respect for others my then teacher got miffed and sent me to the hall. would you rather have the blind leading the blind, or have them all know why it is they take such an oath? especially when it goes against their claimed religion. christian, turn the other cheek. seems a violation of the 1A to me. |
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