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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran 
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 Hey Mr. Advocate here, I would just like to start off by saying thanks to everyone in the future visiting my posted topic.I need the help of everyone here in mobile that would like to participate in meeting dates and times to get together for OC'ing days, so we can inform our local community here in mobile the legal citizens of the state of Al. does in fact have the right to open carry. We can start off with sending a letter to the Sheriff and the Chief of Police requesting there help in educating the local LEO's of our right to OC, so that way we won't be questioned as much about what we are doing and that way we are also cooperating with authority's in a respectful manner and it will help things run a lot smoother altogether. The more the residents of mobile city and county see OC'ers the more normal and relaxed everyone will feel. We will need flyers to pass out to everyone interested explaining when they can OC,Where they can OC, and the need for the CCW permit for when your transporting your firearm. I think if we do this in a group effort, citizens won't be alarmed by it for starters, and that maybe we can we might not be harassed by people calling LEO's or LEO's themselves pulling our permits. Remember if you don't exercise your rights, you lose them, so lets make this happen asap and start getting the ball rolling on this great right we have here in the state of Alabama. Thanks again everyone.  Last edited on Sun Feb 8th, 2009 11:08 am by Mr.Advocate |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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I've done had 18 views on here a not one it interested in getting the ball rolling on this. This has got to be done for the preservation of our rights and to uphold our states constitution and defend it with pride and honor, but we must start somewhere. I'm not asking anything out of the normal, this is a right we have here in Al. why don't we act upon it, and show the public that decent good law abiding citizens ARE NOT alarming or dangerous oc'ing, that in fact we are completely the opposite. The statistics have already been proven in other states that happen to be Gold Star states the gun crimes don't gun up and the overall crime rate goes down when people OC. So lets do this guys and gals, if you have a ccw then your half way there, next is education for the LEO's and flyer's for the public on information. Thanks again. Mr. Advocate Last edited on Sun Feb 8th, 2009 10:55 pm by Mr.Advocate |
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Mississippian Regular Member 
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Patience, Mr Advocate. I am on call so the majority of the times I OC are a spur of the moment thing, for instance, I plan on hopping on my motorbike and heading to Hardy's (Grand Bay) sometime this morning for some b-fast, but I dunno exactly when and the "BatPhone" may ring any minute cancelling all plans. IMO, the only time I would notify the law enforcement is if a group of us was having an OC cookout or something similar, that way when a MWAG call comes in, the LEA of that jurisdiction will already have a heads-up. In no way I would call them unless I was in a group and the group agreed. As for fliers, go here: http://alabamagunrights.org/ and print all you want. BTW, Just in case you don't know, they also have a forum. Happy OCing, maybe we can meet up and have lunch sometime . |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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Sounds good Mississippian, and yeah, I didn't mean contacting the LEO's other than you know a large group of us out doing a cookout or something similar. Yeah, I have a appointment this morning, and thinks by the way for the link, I'll need that. Bat phone,lol, I remember what it was like to be on call at one time, think goodness not anymore, OC'ing and our Rights forever, Mr. Advocate |
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Wu Jen Regular Member
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I'd be interested in doing this. I have my CCW permit but more people need to realize that its their constitution granted right and not a privilege. btw I live in Bayou La Batre myself. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Welcome Wu Jen, I've OC'd in the mexican resturant just north of the draw bridge, no problems, but afterwards I got to wondering about the AL law on OCing in places that serve alcohol, that is something I need to check on. I'm not even sure if that place serves alcohol, but most mexican resturants do. OC'ed today all over the Lowes and the Walmart stores located just off Rangeline in Mobile, I don't even think anyone noticed. Was in Lowes forever but was in & out at Walmart pretty quick, was in there maybe 10 mins. Then went to Grand Bay and OC'ed in Advance Auto Parts, I know they noticed, but they know me by name, might have gotten a different reaction if they had never seen me before, actually have OC'ed in there qiute a bit. Left Mobile and headed to Pascagoula. |
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Wu Jen Regular Member
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Unlike Louisiana, Alabama doesn't have a law relating to alcohol served in restaurants. So your good to go there. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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You must OC when out with boozers, my sherriff has it written on my permit. "#4 - No CC where booze is sold", so I must OC period. It is the law.  The only danger is those drive through booze stops. You need the permit for car, but can't use the permit because of the booze. Don't you just love obeying the law.  |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Hey, just found this topic. I need to check back more often. Proud OCing Mobilian here. I'd be willing to hang out. We can start off with sending a letter to the Sheriff and the Chief of Police requesting there help in educating the local LEO's of our right to OC Good luck with that. The response I got from MPD basically used a few dozen words to answer nothing. Sheriff Cochran didn't even bother responding, and the gals at the permit office still tell every permit applicant that OC is prohibited. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum59/10435.html Last edited on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 08:09 pm by HungSquirrel |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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OC'd at the T/A truckstop in Grand Bay this morning while my wife and I ate breakfast, a few stares from other truckers and a couple volunteer firemen, but definately no 's or 's.Then headed to MS and OC'd in Century Bank while getting my wife's permit paperwork notorized, but I don't think anyone even saw it...I was kinda nervous about being in there with it, but they did not have any "no firearms" signs posted. Then headed to Biloxi and OC'd an empty holster in the post office while getting her passport photo and OC'd the empty holster while standing in line with her while applying for her firearm permit. The MDPS officer was very pro 2A and said he would like everyone [who is legal to] to atleast get CC license and then more would actually carry either open or concealed. He admitted that he did not know it was legal for a gun to be in a commercial vehicle. I guess I should post this in the MS forum also. |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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Well it sounds like all you guys are definitly out there doing your job to inform the LEO's and other citizens of the area of open carrying, we shoot at least get together one day a week and open carry in differnt places like walmart,target,lowes,home depot, some non-alcoholic serving places and anywhere else that we can, what do you think. let me know |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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I like Ryans, especially the one by Lowes at the corner of Halls Mill & Rangeline. Golden Corrall works too. The problem I have, is that it is nearly impossible for me to nail down a time because I try to 'pool' my stops when I go to Mobile and I may be eating anytime, but hopefully sometime between 10:30 and 2. I am planning on going to Mobile tomorrow as long as the 'bat phone' doesn't ring and will be eating somewhere, the wife likes mexican, but I wasn't to impressed with our last lunch at El Toro's (have OC'd there twice), may look for another mexican resturaunt...Then again, I haven't eaten at Ryans in a while either.  |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Give Azteca's a shot. They're just north of I-10 on 90, next to Waffle House. One of my regular Mexican joints. I've never OCed there, because they have enormous margaritas, and they don't skimp on the alcohol content. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Well, the rain messed me up on my rounds in Mobile today, but I did OC at Mobile Shooting Center while buying my new OC "accessory". I bought a new 1911-A1 Mil-Spec 5"stainless .45 ACP from them today for around $200.00 cheaper than anywhere else I have looked including the i-net. I just wish I coulda taken it home , maybe it'll be in tomorrow (having to ship it to Guns & Ammo in Moss Point.Was kinda interesting, a guy was in there looking to buy a cheap handgun just in case it gets stolen out of his vehicle and I mentioned jokingly that if a guy was to wear it like I'm doing, it would never get stolen, that was when I was told by the whole staff (two young ladies and one older man) that OC was in fact illegal in AL and one of the ladies even said if her husband saw me OCing, that I would be arrested .Well, I know what battles to pick and new I was "out-gunned" there (pun intended  ), so after paying for my new OC peace piece, I got their fax number and after getting home, I sent a few pages (borrowed from ALFRA) and some website addresses that brought up the law in AL regarding the OC of handguns.I hope the young lady was 'exaggerating' about what here hubby would do, so maybe more of us need to OC there more often, what could it hurt, you may find a good deal too, just watch out for hubby!  |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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are you kidding me Mississippian, I shop there all the time they have alot of good deals, but open carrying isn't illegal at all. One of the young ladies there is named Ashley, she's the manager, maybe I should go by there and drop off some pamphlets showing them that open carry in this state is fact a legal right under our constitution. If her husband did arrest you , he would completeing a false arrest and be in alittle trouble if you got a lawyer on the case. He can't arrest you for OC'ing period thats crazy and her husband must be a LEO cause she's been misguided about the facts and she needs to read our rights as American citizens, and citizens of Al. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Well, Karen is the one who signed my receipt, and I know for a fact she said OC is illegal, but I think it was one of the other young ladies that made the 'husband' remark. Now don't get me wrong, they weren't rude at all, probably more 'concerned' that I was breaking the law (or so they think), but then again, they were selling me a $600.00+ handgun. As for OCing in there, I've been in there probably a half dozen times in the past few months and have never had a reaction, but I was the one who brought it up and have never talked about OCing while in there before...Until now, they probably ass-u-me-d I was a LEO or just didn't notice. I faxed the ALFRA pamplets to them along with the AGs letter regarding OC and I plugged the ALFRA forum address as well as the OCDO forum address, and in my signature line (I use a email-to-fax program to send faxes) is my contact info with an email address and fax number. I would really like the LEO 'husband' to make contact to see exactly what crime I would be charged by just OCing. Sure wouldn't hurt for a few others in the area to stop off in there while OCing and maybe ask if they mind if a few OC pamplets were dropped off. |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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OH I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, SO YOU FAXED ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THE MOBILE SHOOTING CENTER ALREADY. I USE TO HAVE A PAMPHLET AND I WAS GOING TO GO AND GET COPIES MADE AND TAKE THEM AROUND, BUT I LOST THE PAMPLET AND FORGOT WHICH AREA ON OPENCARRY.ORG AT WHICH I GOT IT, PLEASE HELP ME OUT ON THIS AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO HELP IN THE BEST REGARDS ON THIS ISSUE THAT I CAN, THEY ARE VERY PROFESSIONAL AND NICE YOUNG LADIES, BUT I ASSUME THEY'VE BEEN MISLEAD ON THE OC'ING THING COMPLETELY. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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http://alabamagunrights.org/?page_id=8 |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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Hey thanx Mississippian, I ended up looking for it last night under all the alabama gun rights stuff and found it, but thanx for putting it up there anywayz, I'm going to make lots of copies of it take of the tri-fold flyer. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Well, I thought today was going to be the day. After doing my stops in Mobile, I decided to see if walmart had any .45 ammo. Well, as soon as I turned the corner past the fishing isle, I noticed a Mobile policeman standing in the back corner, facing out and talking on a cell. I know he saw my handgun as he was on my strong side the whole time I was talking to the clerk and checking out, but even after getting off the phone, he just 'nodded' at me as he walked past...There is no way he didn't notice. Anyway walmart @ Rangeline has 3-50 count boxes left of Winchester .45 JHP for $19.97 each. "Carry On"  Last edited on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 07:43 pm by Mississippian |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I have been trying for months, and I have never gotten a LEO to notice me at Wal-Mart at Rangeline.  It is apparent we live ridiculously close to each other. Your info says Moss Point. Do you actually live in the Tillman's Corner/Theodore area? Last edited on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 10:07 pm by HungSquirrel |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Lol. Well, there was no way he did not notice the fact that I was OCing...Apparently he knew the law unless he thought I was a LEO, but I doubt that as I have facial hair. And yes, I actually do live in MS, but not exactly Moss Point. I live closer to Grand Bay, AL but do alot of business with companies in Mobile (GCR Tire, TruckPro, Fleet Pride, Empire Truck Sales, etc, etc.) and just like to 'pool' my stops to where I make one trip to town...I drive for a living, I hate to drive anymore than I have to when I'm not working. I have to say, while that LEO was talking on the phone and looking my way, I was as nervous as a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs...When I got through checking out and I heard him say "let me go" into the phone, I really thought "this is it". But he just nodded as he walked by me...Phew! |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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You have ammo at your wallmart? Mine has been out of everything except shotgun shells for a couple months now. They claim they still carry bullets but I am beginning to wonder. I haven't learned to make a good hollowpoint round yet, and bullets and oil are the only thing I buy from them. The idea of stopping a chinese invasion with there own bullets just makes me smile.  |
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the wheeelman Regular Member
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HungSquirrel wrote:
My girlfriend's parents live in the Tilman's corner area. We haven't been by since New Year's (before I got my H&K 45c) but next time we are back in town I will sure show my support for OC'ing in Mobile. How do you guy's handle carrying your gun place to place in your vehicle without a permit...or do all of you have one. Last time I went through up to Auburn, I unloaded my pistol a locked it in a booksack out of reach and had the clip separate. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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How do you guy's handle carrying your gun place to place in your vehicle without a permit... I now have a permit, but when I didn't, I had a lockbox that I kept it in and then put the locked lockbox inside a larger container in the bed of my p/u. Completely out of view & reach and unsearchable without warrant or reasonable suspicion...But legal?? probably not, but I always made sure I was either going or coming from someplace gun related, I mean it never hurts to have your gun appraised, or check out a new shooting range...right? |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I have a permit because I drive and I conceal a lot. |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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Be careful Mississippian, when your open carrying, alot of mobile police, city cops don't know the law, or they know it , but refuse to obey it, they think there above it. I guess they just don't like the fact that we civilians have a rights to open carry in the state of Alabama just like they do. After doing all my research a few months ago, and then a couple days ago going out making a @#$%load of those trifold info sheets, I called mcso permit area and a deputy answered, I talked with him for about a minute, he knew the law and said that he knows we have the right and he doesn't agree with it, but thats the law, and thats its. Now while I was out and about passing out these trifold flyers, a ran by the mobile police headquarters on goverment and spoke with a corporal police office in his fifties I think and he was black, thats all I really remember, I remember looking or glancing at his name tag but it was to hard to see. Anyways to make a long story short, he said he see something like the trifold I handed him, and @#$% like that and he said if you open carry in mobile you will be arrested, even after I told him that you know that would be a illegal arrest cause your breaking the law by disobeying the Alabama Constitution, he said I 'm not going to debate this with you, I asked to speak to his supervisors like a Lt. or Capt. and he said he'll pass on the flyers to them, but he didn't contact them to let me speak with them, and he reminded one more time before I left out the door to remember if I OC in mobile I will be arrested, I said thanks corporal and left out of there needless to say very pissed off that this guy was so stuck in being ignorant, he refused to see the truth. Mobile city has a some sort of city ordinance that prevents OC'ing in mobile city limits, however in the Alabama constitution it says under article 11-80-11 that there not allowed to make up such a law like that. So if a LEO made a arrest on that he would be illegally arresting and illegally charging you, because your protected by the Al. constitution on that. This corporal wanted to try and make it sound the way he wanted it to be and not the way it really is, that pisses me off, people come there for legal information and he doesn't even know what he's talking about, no wonder everyone is so afraid to open carry around here, its because guys like that. What needs to happen is everyone on here that lives within mobile county needs to contact there legislator for the particular area and get mobile city to lift this illegal law that shouldn't be there in the first place. Needless to say I will be contacting the Chief of Police for mobile and telling him about this particular officer and that the legal citizens of mobile do have the right to open carry wear allowed by the protection of the Alabama Constitution. I will request a appointment to see him since , the corporal wasn't to pleasant. The old saying goes there's a sucker born every second, I beginning to believe it shoulda been there's a idiot out there born every second. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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I believe many of them are more bark than bite. But that is why I have a well hidden audio recorder that is recording full time when I am OCing. If I get arrested for just OCing, they will be spanked by my attorney. LEOs are human just like you and me, they may say one thing but do another. Talk big, but when the time comes, actually follow the law, we are all guilty of that at some time in our lives. |
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the wheeelman Regular Member
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Is there anything in Alabama Law that has residency requirements on OC'ing? In Louisiana you DO NOT have to be a Louisiana Resident to OC. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Is there anything in Alabama Law that has residency requirements on OC'ing? Not that I have come across, I'll post this question on the ALFRA forum. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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No, but you need to walk here or have a permit for the trip. Unless you want to follow the fed transport guidelines. And then there is the trips to the court house to get your property back in the bad areas of the state where the law doesn't apply. We have no law on the books giving us the right, just the lowly constitution prohibitting the state from taking them away. |
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the wheeelman Regular Member
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SlackwareRobert wrote:
Just an FYI, Laws aren't meant nor do they give us rights, they are only meant to restrict rights. So unless there is a law to restrict an adressed right, then consider excercising the right legal. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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Yes, I was trying to point that out. He was asking what law is on the books to allow OC. But AL has no law, and we also have no residency requirement to be covered by the constitution. So just don't be caught without your recorder, you just might need it. Also I would consider useing a NR permit, that way if it gets taken by the more oppressive county officials, you will not be messing with your home states permit. Or enjoy walking the Robert Trent Jones Golf Trail, while you keep the permit in the hotel safe..  |
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NR permits are not valid for AL residents. |
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I think he said he would be visiting, so any NR that AL recognises would be OK. It just makes sense to hedge your bets in this state, by only using a 3rd party permit. So you can go home to your own state without leaving a valuable part of your rights behind. Fighting to get back your property is bad enough without the added headache of multistate travel on top of it. Madison sherrif says he can't wait to lock up any oc'er. I have enough troubles with the leo in B'ham myself without the added fun of OC. But OC is like a legal bingo game in this state, you just take your chances on being raided. Then there are the hodge podge of wallmart store 'policies'. But while legal, and no restrictions to residency only OC at your own risk. We aren't GOLD star yet. |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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Why would someone in AL think they could 'take' someone's permit from another state. In some states it's illegal for anyone but the DoS to take a permit. |
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Also be aware that non resident permits from another state, even if we have reciprocity for that state's residents are not specifically covered by Alabama law so this is still in question. http://www.ago.alabama.gov/issue/pistol.htm#nonresident "At the present time, Act 2001-494 does not on its face specifically address the issue of Alabama’s recognition of a non-resident handgun license issued by a state with which Alabama has reciprocal recognition of concealed handgun licenses. Nor is there a formal Attorney General's Opinion, or Alabama case law on this subject. If an Alabama law enforcement agency requests and receives an official Attorney General's Opinion that opinion will be available to the public on our web site under the menu item titled "AG Opinions" |
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I'm a consistent concealed carry guy in Mobile, but would like to start openly carrying mainly for the reason that I have the right to! I've asked no less than 4 MPD officers in the last few days what the deal is with open carry around here (pretended like I didn't know anything about it). None of them actually told me it was illegal, but every single one of them told me not to do it. A couple of them said I'd be arrested on a Disorderly Conduct charge, and another told me they'd confiscate my gun until I was checked out with a background check and all... Now this doesn't mean I'm not going to do it anyway, but I just wanted to share the info! |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Even though I have OC'd alot in Mobile and Mobile county, only one officer noticed my handgun, and he was with the Mobile PD. He did not seem concerned about me carrying at all. I don't know about Mobile Co. sherrifs office, I have yet to be spotted by a deputy...Who knows. If you OC, it definately would not hurt for you to have DVR well hidden and recording continuous, mine starts the time I leave my house. On a side note, I believe the chances of you being confronted are directly related to your appearance, your body language and your age. Also check out Alabama Firearm Rights Association, they too have a forum, just look under the "links" section. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Be very careful, and have the laws and state supreme court cases written down as a reference! I think so far I haven't had any problems merely because no LEOs have spotted me exercising my rights. |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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SlackwareRobert wrote:You must OC when out with boozers, my sherriff has it written on my permit. Wait.. It actually says 'booze'? That's pretty funny. In the US, booze is generally referring to liquor, and not beer though. There is also no prohibition in Alabama on being drunk while carrying a firearm. You just can't be a 'habitual drunkard'. |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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HungSquirrel wrote:Be very careful, and have the laws and state supreme court cases written down as a reference! I think so far I haven't had any problems merely because no LEOs have spotted me exercising my rights. It really doesn't matter. I would advise against trying to 'educate' a cop that is trying to arrest you. The less you say, the better. If a cop has already made up his mind to arrest you, some lawyerspeak (even from a lawyer) isn't going to change that. Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2009 06:02 pm by kurtmax_0 |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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From the Mobile county sheriff's office pistol permit, there is no restriction on carrying concealed in an establishment that sells alcohol... only that you cannot consume alcohol or drugs while carrying concealed. |
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acrimsontide Regular Member
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SlackwareRobert wrote: You must OC when out with boozers, my sherriff has it written on my permit. Wouldn't it be nice if it were that simple? |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No problems OCing at Zaxby's in Tillman's Corner this afternoon. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No problems at Wal-Mart in Tillman's Corner. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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OC'ed at Burger King in Tillman's Corner. When I walked in, one of the cooks saw everything, and his eyes got as wide as saucers. He just kinda stood there, staring at me. He was enormous; there's no reason a kid as big as that ought to work at a fast food joint, but I digress. Ordered, paid, waited at the counter with my XDm where all the world could see while they cooked my food. Two customers came in behind me. One noticed, the other didn't. The more observant one didn't say anything to me. Sat down in a corner with my strong side out in the aisle, XDm plainly visible. Finished, and left. The most eventful part of the visit was the pair of stray dogs humping in the parking lot. Hit it, brother! |
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Subway at Government & Azalea. The "sandwich artists" both saw my XDm, but concerned themselves with making a fine sandwich rather than phoning in an MWAG. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Keep up the good work I am going to be CCing for the next few days, not only am I working, but am headed to Lubbock TX, so no OC for me until I get back sometime saturday. Maybe I will be able to make it to that restaurant on Sunday to talk to the manager, sounds like we'd have a pretty good turnout if he doesn't mind. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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OC'd my Sig P220 with no issues at the Wal-Mart on Schillinger and Winn-Dixie at Schillinger/Ziegler yesterday... didn't even get too many funny looks! |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Big day today. Lowe's in Tillman's Corner. Bought a ceiling fan. A few stares. No comments. Sonny's in Tillman's Corner. Customers and the waitress noticed me. Nothing was said. I noticed they sold beer on the premises, but I saw no problem with that, as we don't have a law prohibiting carry in establishments that serve, and I did not partake. Wal-Mart in Tillman's Corner. I know the rent-a-cop and a few employees noticed. Nothing was said. MovieStop in Mobile. I know the customers and one of the employees noticed. Nothing was said. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Firehouse Subs in Tillman's Corner. No problems. I sat with my strong side facing the counter, so I know the employees saw. Furthermore, I was dressed in jeans and a casual cotton button-up, carrying my sixgun. Give me a stetson and I coulda been a cowboy. No way they thought I was a LEO or anything. They said nothing about it. They had Fox News on the tube, so maybe they're not terribly liberal. Went into the GameStop in the same shopping center. No problems. The staff were friendly and professional. Went into the Chevron across the street to get a drink. Again, no problems. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No problems at Zaxby's again. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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HungSquirrel wrote: No problems at Zaxby's again. You are rockin' 'n rollin'...I'm glad to hear it. Carry On |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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It's too damn hot to conceal. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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Well I had my first run in with the MPD today! Knew it had to happen sometime... The day started out alright; shopped in Winn Dixie at Ziegler/Schillinger, Winn Dixie at Airport/Snow (the first one didn't have what I was looking for), Lowe's at Airport/Schillinger, and Hobby Lobby at Airport/Schillinger. No issues at any of those spots. In fact, in Lowe's, a LEO walked right past me from my strong side, definitely saw the Sig, but didn't say a word. Now, for the last stop of the day. Went into WalMart right there on Schillinger, walked all around the store, got what I wanted and was in the checkout line when a manager came up to me. He asked if I was a cop or some kind of LEO. I told him that I wasn't, I happened to be in the military, but not a police officer, no. At which point he told me that I was not allowed to carry my gun openly, I had to have a pistol permit and carry it concealed, even if it's just pulling my shirt over it. I've heard the stories of people getting arrested and what not, so I was sure to keep my cool and be respectful. But I was also not going to roll over and let him keep his mistaken understanding of the law! So I asked him if that was a store policy, in which case I would gladly bring my gun out to the truck or conceal the weapon, but it is not actually prohibited by law in Alabama. He responded that no, it's not a store policy, but that Alabama law states you must have a permit and that only gives you the privilege to carry concealed. At this point I pulled my shirt over my gun to make him more comfortable with it, but I reasserted the fact that it is not actually illegal to open carry. He said he could call a police officer to come down and we could talk about it with them. To which I happily agreed! Well, when he called the police, the person on the phone told him that it was in fact illegal (not surprising), I, of course, told him I'd heard they were wrong like that sometimes. So he asked them to send someone over. When the LEO arrived, he disarmed me (took my knife too!) and asked me the general questions about why I was carrying it etc. Another officer arrived and he grilled me for a while as well. I made it a point to be as professional and respectful as possible while still trying to understand their point of view. They told me that they could both revoke my permit and consequently advise the sheriff not to issue me another, and also arrest me for disorderly conduct. Since they were not planning on doing either, I made sure to be careful so as not to change their minds! But the conversation never got very far as they would not let me get out more than a couple sentences of my view before interrupting me. Apparently their view is that people have the right not to be nervous, and that right trumps my God-given right that is confirmed in writing in the 2nd amendment. We couldn't get past that, so the conversation was over. The cop walked my gun back to my truck for me and then said have a nice day. All in all, I will certainly be open carrying again, but likely not in that WalMart. I imagine if that manager has to call the cops on me again that I WILL be arrested. So it's concealed there from now on, but we'll keep investigating the rest of the town! |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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You need to ensure you carry a voice recorder and have it recording at all times in case your next police encounter doesn't go as "well" as that one went. The closest thing in the Code of Alabama to preventing open carry in private establishments is 13A-11-52, but KJ v. State of Alabama says 13A-11-73 is a complete revision of the subject matter, so 13A-11-52 won't apply to OC, just CC. Odds are, the officers won't give a damn what the case law says, and arrest you anyway. A recording of the encounter may assist your legal case, and any subsequent suits you may file. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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I can guarantee you, if they had reason to arrest you, they would have. Time to call corporate. |
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the wheeelman Regular Member
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You should absolutely follow up with corporate and file a complaint. We have been over this time and time that Walmarts policy is to follow the state laws. They clearly harrased you by calling the police thus breaking their policy. File a complaint with corporate and fill us in on what happens. Last edited on Thu Apr 30th, 2009 08:58 pm by the wheeelman |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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That's a good idea, I'll have to write them a letter when I get a chance. Today was a much less eventful day... OC'd my Sig all through Lowe's, Sears, Target, and Home Depot all in the Shcillinger/Airport area with no run-ins with the cops! In three of the stores I even had employees helping me look at some stuff and they didn't seem nervous or concerned in the least. This was encouraging! |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No problems again at the Tillman's Corner Wal-Mart. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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HungSquirrel wrote: No problems again at the Tillman's Corner Wal-Mart. Same here today. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Heh, I stopped in today, too, at about 1pm. We're bound to run into each other one of these days. If a slightly overweight stubble-wearing gun-toting 20-something male ever approaches you, greets you, and strikes up a conversation about OC, don't be too alarmed. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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We're bound to run into each other one of these days. If a slightly overweight stubble-wearing gun-toting 20-something male ever approaches you, greets you, and strikes up a conversation about OC, don't be too alarmed. You were describing me until you got to the 20-something part...I got about 15 on ya, and no, I won't be alarmed and I have learned that OCing can be a great conversation starter . |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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Mississippian wrote:We're bound to run into each other one of these days. If a slightly overweight stubble-wearing gun-toting 20-something male ever approaches you, greets you, and strikes up a conversation about OC, don't be too alarmed. You don't look like your avatar??!!! How misleading! |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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You don't look like your avatar??!!! How misleading! Add a ball cap 'n a fu manchu and you'll be pretty close. |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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dixieborn wrote: Well I had my first run in with the MPD today! Knew it had to happen sometime... The day started out alright; shopped in Winn Dixie at Ziegler/Schillinger, Winn Dixie at Airport/Snow (the first one didn't have what I was looking for), Lowe's at Airport/Schillinger, and Hobby Lobby at Airport/Schillinger. No issues at any of those spots. In fact, in Lowe's, a LEO walked right past me from my strong side, definitely saw the Sig, but didn't say a word. I just find it amazing how many people there are around our country that just love and appreciate cops, especially when there harassing people for no good reason, instead of doing there job, which is suppose to be protect and serve. LOL my ass, all I here from people around here in the mobile area is how when they talk all that comes out is ignorant rubish, that was being nice, let me just put it bluntly most all people around here mobile actually are very stupid , stuburn, when it comes to know what there rights are. I honestly fill alot of people out here in America don't care about there right to bear arms. I tell you what though, when the time arises, which it may never happen, but if it does I sure there going to fill stupid then, and by then it will be to late. Keep us updated man, and the next time something like that is going on please carry a voice recorder so you have them down harassing you. Cause of people like that Manager in WalMart, it makes us OC'ers up against uneven odds because they make something out of nothing. What exactly was that guys problem, and why in hell did he fill the need to approach you and ask you some dumbass question when he doesn't even know the state law or the company he works for policy, and this guy is a manager. I sure hope its not the one that I usually see when I shop at that walmart, I think his name in hillary or something like that, if it is, I will be happy to walk through there oc'ing and if he says anything I'll immediatly begin recording the conversation since it is a public store and I can do that to, I will then put my firearm away in the car and ask for his supervisers number. If I don't get his supervisors number from him I'll be looking it up asap. |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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He obviously wasn't that nervous if he came up and asked you to conceal it |
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kurtmax_0 wrote: He obviously wasn't that nervous if he came up and asked you to conceal it exactly, good point, so the real reason the guy was being such a @#$% was he just thinks cops should be allowed to open carry, what a dumbass manager. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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Back at it again... I had no trouble at the AT&T store on Schillinger, Winn Dixie, and that gas station at Airport/Cody with the car wash and the free vacuums. Pretty sweet actually, you don't even have to get a car wash to use the free vacuums! But anyways, no harassment from the police today which was nice. |
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sigshape Regular Member
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This is a terrible thread full of irritating stories. Not because of what you're trying to do, but just the general @#$%ing ignorance of the MPD. I am friends with a state police officer and he thinks it is a a privilege, not a right, to CCW. I don't even bother skirting the OC issue, yet. He's a really decent guy. I think that the main thing here, beyond blatant ignorance, is that they KNOW people are stupid and KNOW they will get calls like "SOME GUY HAS A GUN!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!! COME NOW" And the 340lb 911 operator named Shamika doesn't ask what he's doing with it or anything like that, just immediately calls dispatch. They don't want to deal with this. period. It is a waste of their time, and they could be doing something more productive (i @#$%ing hope, lord) like pulling over some idiot in a donk with 26" rims and 19 warrants out on him with no insurance. I really need to move out of the south. I've come to really hate it lately. Who would have thought one of the most historically gun friendly places, the southern u.s., would have @#$% like this going on right now. I wish I could open carry and test the waters like you guys but I don't want to risk having to pay attorney fees, screw up my possible future with any govt agency, or employer. It's just not a risk I want to take. This is where you old timers or people with stable jobs you're not leaving, or people that just don't give a @#$%, come in. If we had some demonstration her I'd gladly show up but I definitely wouldn't OC, regardless of how many LEOs I know. As for the mobile shooting center thing, Wow. I know exactly who you are talking about. She loves to talk about her husband. Guess what. he is a city police officer. Congratu@#$%inglations, that's not a really huge accomplishment. Homeland Security? Fine. FBI? nice. Secret service? almost as good. ATF? ehhh... State trooper? good. CITY COP IN MOBILE? USUALLY BOTTOM OF THE @#$%ING BARREL NEXT TO TSA AGENTS AT THE GOD DAMN AIRPORT. I do NOT mean to @#$% on all first responders, just the ones that signed up to exhert authority and impress obviously stupid women impressed with small accomplishments/authority like the one you encountered. |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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Actually. In Alabama, CCW is a privilege, and OC is the right. You also can only conceal handguns with a pistol permit. Knives, swords, nunchaku, etc still need to be OCed. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I wish I could open carry and test the waters like you guys but I don't want to risk having to pay attorney fees, screw up my possible future with any govt agency, or employer. It's just not a risk I want to take. This is where you old timers or people with stable jobs you're not leaving, or people that just don't give a @#$%, come in. I should think that older carriers, who have wives, families, mortgages, and employers who will fire them if they catch wind of trouble with the law would have more to lose than younger folks. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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So for those of you who read about my run-in with Wal-Mart a little while ago, I followed up a little. I didn't send a letter to corporate or anything... yet. But I was in there today (not open carrying), and I asked to speak to a manager, I wanted to inquire whether that confusion about state law had been cleared up and to make sure I wouldn't be given any trouble next time. Well. The first manager deferred to another manager, so I waited some more. That manager said well it would have to be concealed. To which I informed her, no, we had this discussion, it doesn't. So she was apparently out of her paygrade as well. She called someone else and I waited a few more minutes. Now at least I got to talk to someone who actually could give me an answer that didn't start with a blank look and an "ummm". This was Shane, the "force protection" guy or something like that. I guess the head of security. He conceded that it wasn't against the law to open carry, but assured me that if I tried it, I would get arrested for disorderly conduct. I told him, yeah, I'd been threatened with that, but of course there's the problem that by definition in the law, that charge requires intent. He didn't know anything about that, but said someone was just found guilty the other day for the same charge for carrying around a BB gun "because it looked like a real gun and people were scared." Don't know if it's true or not, but pretty bogus either way. Anyways, we finally got to the bottom line of, it is that specific Wal-Mart's store policy that he will kick me out if he sees me with a gun, to which I responded, ok, I'll respect the store policy if that's what it is. He said that was the policy in all of Mobile and Baldwin counties for Wal-Marts which made me think of y'all who frequent one in Tillman's Corner. If you have any knowledge or wisdom on that, I welcome it! Otherwise, guess I'll just stay concealed when I'm in Wal-Mart! |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No signs are posted at the TC Wal-Mart and I have never been hassled, including the times I walked right by the Securitas rentacops. I have spent more than an hour shopping on several occasions...plenty of time to respond to an MWAG. If it is "the policy" in "all" Mobile and Baldwin County stores, TC doesn't care about "the policy" much. If I had to guess, I'd say this guy was making stuff up to try to get you to leave and never OC there again. But, I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong again. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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I do believe you're right, I firmly believe that he was just making stuff up to back his threats. Now I'm sure at his own Wal Mart he would kick me out next time, but any others? He doesn't know crap. In other news, the Wal-Mart in Semmes has given me no trouble as I've OC'd there the last couple of days. Although today some guy with a tie (looked like a manager type) kind of followed me around. It was pretty funny, it was like watching some bad spy movie. Every time I glanced at him he would pretend to be looking up at the shelves and walk away. It was great. But no confrontations there or at the China buffet right next door, or the Blockbuster down the road! |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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OC'd at Hall's Motor Sports in Mobile twice this past week, and then in Rands Quick Stop and Food Tiger, both in Grand Bay today, actually have OC'd in Rand's quite a bit over the past few months (I like their subs) with no problems. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No problems at the TC Wal-Mart yesterday, nor the Chevron on Dauphin Island today. |
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sigshape Regular Member
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lol everyone shops at the TC walmart i see the one off the i65 service road is so @#$%ing ghetto |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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The TC one is redneck. It all balances out. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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No problems at Subway at Gov't & Azalea again. |
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sigshape Regular Member
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I went to bellingrath gardens a few weeks ago and was carrying, but really considered OCing because seriously police response time to a place like that would be what... 30 minutes if not more? it'd just make me feel more comfortable, but there are too many families roaming i really want to start OCing in normal parks though, say municipal or langan. you guys should beta test those areas for me |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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no issues at the Winn-Dixie in Semmes again... and you should join in on the fun sigshape! you get better at dealing with the cops every time... |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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had a fun time at the Wal-Mart in Semmes today... no problems, just reactions! i was open carrying my Sig the whole time and made my way to the sporting goods section to check out the ammo selection (or lack thereof these days). well the lady showed up and had to walk by me a couple of times before heading behind the counter, she was helping someone else at the time. i ended up asking for her last two boxes of .40 on the shelf. no problem, need to see some ID, which i'm pretty used too.... i just thought it a little strange considering the fact that i had a big .45 holstered right there on my hip. you'd think she would guess i was old enough to buy ammo. but no problems, showed her the ID, bought the goods, it wasn't til i was about to walk away that she finally got the bug eyes and said "whoa!! are you really totin' a gun right now?!?" .... i was a little dumbfounded and almost laughed out loud at her. Me: "i sure am, have been the whole time." Wal-Mart Lady: "they let you in here with that?!?!" Me: "of course, why wouldn't they?" WML: "well cause this is the year 2010 and... and there's nutcases and all runnin around!" Me (ignoring the 2010 thing..): "well, all the more reason to carry a gun then, there are nuts out there!" WML: "i don't know though, i still can't believe they let you in the door with that thing." we spoke for a few minutes, she had no problem with the legality of it, there was no convincing going on though... she was a bit of a flake. but it was pretty funny. another employee showed up and expressed his support, that was pretty cool. in other news, no problems at the Blockbuster up there or the Office Depot on Schillinger either. (finally got myself a digital voice recorder for my defense from the cops!) all in all a beautiful day to OC! |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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If she's not observant enough to know what year it is, it's not surprising it took her so long to notice your firearm. I've been OCing in the same locations so much, it has become mundane, so I have forgotten to log my experiences here. However, the other day, I OCed at the TC Wal-Mart again, and a cute young lady asked me about my gun. We struck up a conversation about carry. She just turned 21 and got a Baby Eagle for her birthday, and is planning on getting her CC permission slip. I explained that such a permission slip is required even for OC if she's planning on driving around totin'. Her mom was under the impression that the pistol permit was just for OC, and that CC was completely illegal. I corrected her. Hopefully the clerks at the Sheriff's office don't fill this young lady's ears with lies about OC when she goes to get her permit. Last edited on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 02:52 pm by HungSquirrel |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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Hopefully the clerks at the Sheriff's office don't fill this young lady's ears with lies about OC Were you able to 'plug' OCDO and/or AFRA? Or were you just trying to get her phone number? (I'm sorry, I'll go stand in the corner). |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I respectfully decline to make a "plug" joke. No, didn't get a chance; the cashier finally finished with the person in front of me, so I had to check out. |
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dixieborn wrote: had a fun time at the Wal-Mart in Semmes today... no problems, just reactions! i was open carrying my Sig the whole time and made my way to the sporting goods section to check out the ammo selection (or lack thereof these days). well the lady showed up and had to walk by me a couple of times before heading behind the counter, she was helping someone else at the time. i ended up asking for her last two boxes of .40 on the shelf. no problem, need to see some ID, which i'm pretty used too.... i just thought it a little strange considering the fact that i had a big .45 holstered right there on my hip. you'd think she would guess i was old enough to buy ammo. I am guessing this is the blonde lady in there. I bought my dad a knife and was carrying concealed. S&W M&P .40 with 2 mags on the left. I had a very interesting and similar conversation with her. Dumb blonde: Did ya'll know people can wear guns in here? Me: You mean open, and exposed? Dumb blonde: I mean, period just in their holster. Me: Absolutely they can. Dumb blonde: That is crazy. There are lunatics everywhere!!! Me: There sure are! Which is precisely the reason why people decide to carry. Good points you made for carrying! Dumb blonde: Duhhhhhhhhhhhh derrrrrrrrr *dumb look on face* Me: Thanks...see you later. My wife thought I was going to lift my shirt up and show her my piece. LOL. |
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Rafdog Regular Member
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Just registered here after looking around this site for the past five days. I live in Grand Bay. I got interested in finding out about open carry in our state and found this site. Official Summer is coming soon but it's hot already! I just recently purchased a Ruger LCP for summer carry, but I would rather carry my SA .45 ACP 1911A1 Loaded model with the 8rnd mag and two spare 10 rnd mags. I guess my question would be, what do you wear? Casual, Business Casual? I guess how one dresses and behaves while OC'ing is a big factor on how the general public perceives you. Anyway, if I see someone OC'ing without a badge, just minding their own business at one of the local Wally Worlds, I will make sure to introduce myself. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I started just wearing business casual, and gradually moved to casual. You will usually see me in business casual with the XDm on weekdays, and casual with the S&W 686 on the weekends. I imagine people assume you're a cop if you wear business casual and have a "cop-like" gun (i.e., a black autoloader). However, my hair is too long and I wear stubble, so I doubt anyone makes that mistake with me! |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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I'm not quite...ahem...clean shaven either, I wear jeans with a button-up shirt and OC a stainless 1911A1 w/5"bbl...Not what I would carry if I were a LEO...Even off duty. I've had MPD look right at me and my gun and not say a word, this happened at the TC WalMart. BTW-Rafdog, I'm right across the state line from ya and I OC on Grand Bay quite a bit. Last edited on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 03:04 pm by Mississippian |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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I probably fall somewhere more on the side of dressing casual..... but not too casual. I usually wear jeans and a shirt with a collar, but not always tucked in. I carry a Sig Sauer P220 so yeah, it's a "cop-looking" gun, when I walk around in a tucked in button down shirt I'm sure everyone assumes I'm a cop. (especially since I'm typically close cut and clean shaven) I've definitely had cops notice me and my Sig on days when I was not looking as professional too tho... once again I think that reaction all just depends on which cop you run into. |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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I don't wear casual clothes at all. Mostly t-shirts (a henley once every blue moon) and not tucked in. I do always wear long pants though, so I suppose that's more 'professional'. I have a Glock 19, but it's OD so not very cop-like. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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I'm just anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Springfield 1911... that baby with her hardwood grips along with the custom leather holster should do a pretty good job of getting rid of the cop look! |
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Rafdog Regular Member
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I love my SA 1911. When you receive it take a look at the feed ramp and the barrel throat. I had to polish mine so that it would reliably feed hollow points. There where too many burrs that would catch the round and would not allow the slide to go forward. After I took care of that I have had no failures whatsoever....... I used a dremel with some rouge polishing compound (jewelers polish) and the buffing drum wheel. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I'm of the opinion that anything I pay several hundred dollars for should be 100% reliable right out of the box, particularly if I am to rely on it to save my life. Why do so many 1911s make it past QC with feeding problems? Sorry, [/rant] |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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I hear you squirrel... but I've already got the Sig and the Glock covered, and I'm of the opinion that you can never have too many guns! Therefore, I'm happy to add the 1911 to the arsenal, and if I have to take Rafdog's advice and check out the barrel before I start trusting my life with it.. I'm ok with that. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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I've never had any problems with HP or regular bullets hanging on my SA 1911...But it has only had about 100 rnds of each put through it. |
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Rafdog Regular Member
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I'm not saying they all have that issue. It is something to look out for though. I'm sure if I had spent more money on a wizbang model I'm sure it would have received more attention to detail. Mine fed round nose real well. It was just the HP rounds that it had issue with. It was a quick and minor fix. I just polished the ramp and barrel throat to a mirror shine. The model I bought, though a bit pricey, is not a top of the line model. But, it is something to build on. I wouldn't be too worried about the minor stuff. It does as stated in it's brochure. It is capable of 2 in. groups at 25 yards. unless you have the match grade barrel which makes it 1 in. groups at 25 yards. I've put over 600 rnds. through mine so far and it still punches a big tattered hole in the bulls eye. I love this gun. Last edited on Fri Jun 19th, 2009 09:59 pm by Rafdog |
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dixieborn wrote: I probably fall somewhere more on the side of dressing casual..... but not too casual. I usually wear jeans and a shirt with a collar, but not always tucked in. I carry a Sig Sauer P220 so yeah, it's a "cop-looking" gun, when I walk around in a tucked in button down shirt I'm sure everyone assumes I'm a cop. (especially since I'm typically close cut and clean shaven) I've definitely had cops notice me and my Sig on days when I was not looking as professional too tho... once again I think that reaction all just depends on which cop you run into. well to a certain extent dixieborn, I mean, most cops here in the mobile area are just out there to harass you and I do mean that. Seriously though my parents went into Falls Church Va. a few weeks ago and said they seen maybe five police/patrol cars the entire week they were there, I've seen that many here in within 30mins driving down the road here in mobile. And when I say Falls Church I really mean Washington D.C. thats how close it is. So I will say this much the cops here don't harass me to much about my car, but there is a reason for that to, and I'm not a cop either, its just a mutual respect thing. But let me open carry and I seem to be a magnet for cops, I don't know what it is, maybe cause I look like I'm 17 instead of 27 almost 28, but still , why would a 17yr old be open carring , really , cmon now. There's simply no reason for the LEO's to harass us unless we are doing soming wrong, and I don't believe any of us on here are doing anything wrong when we are open carrying, Hooah! |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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...most cops here in the mobile area are just out there to harass you and I do mean that. That has not been my experience, but I don't go downtown much either, most of my Mobile OC stops have been near I10 and I65. the cops here don't harass me to much about my car, but there is a reason for that to, and I'm not a cop either, its just a mutual respect thing. ?? let me open carry and I seem to be a magnet for cops, When were you harrassed? I must have missed the posting...Also, if you have been OCing, why haven't you been posting your experiences, both positive and negative, as the positive ones help the new OCers in knowing others are OCing with no problems...Like me. |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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I believe the age to OC in this state is 18. |
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HungSquirrel wrote: I believe the age to OC in this state is 18. On da maps of OCDO it is 18 just don't get caught with it in a car without a permit |
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Mississippian wrote: ...most cops here in the mobile area are just out there to harass you and I do mean that. Just try walking into the Walmart here on Schillinger near the paint and sporting goods area and watch this crazy eyed Manger come outa no where like your some kinda gang banger or something. It does help to carry in the areas your carrying Mississippian, but its not a very good idea to to carry, hmm lets say harbor freight, or the walmart I mentioned or Winn Dixie. About the car thing, mutual respect, I'm prior military and a war hero, so that might have something to do with not being harassed about my car, cause before that, my car was a target for LEO's, don't know why exactly, except for the fact it looks like a young persons car, since I'm a young person, I guess envy always plays a roll in young people being harassed as well, don't know what it is exactly but that seems to be a major factor in getting pulled over for no good reason. Don't OC in that sporting goods store on Airport right across from pepboys in the same shopping center that Circuit City use to be in before they went outa business. For obvious reasons, there is a satillite police precint there right next to the store, and I've explain to personel right there at the gun counter about open carrying and they still argue with me and say its not legal and ask me to leave or they'll send a officer over to handle it another way, hmm , maybe I might get awarded with some silver bracelts that don't feel so great. I'm sorry about not posting in awhile I have just been so busy these days that I hadn't had time get online hardly at all, please forgive for that. I will try to do better about that, in the meantime stay safe, and be happy, look forward to latr responses. |
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Mississippian Regular Member
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This past weekend, I OC'd at the Walmart on Shillinger just south of Airport, then at Zaxby's and then at the Walmart @ Dawes and Cottage Hill. Didn't have any problems but was in the two Walmarts for only a few minutes...Actually was in Zaxby's the longest. I wasn't even dressed as good as I like to be while OCing as I was going fishing afterwards. I was in cut-offs and was wearing an old raggedy looking shirt. |
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Mississippian wrote: This past weekend, I OC'd at the Walmart on Shillinger just south of Airport, then at Zaxby's and then at the Walmart @ Dawes and Cottage Hill. You know Mississippian, I'm in that Wal-Mart almost 24/7, and Zaxby's is a rather safe place to OC, good choice. And the Dawes and Cottage Hill Wal-Mart is as well a great place to OC, since it's off the beaten path of just about everything. But good post , look forward to hearing from you when you OC in Academy Sporting Goods. |
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look forward to hearing from you when you OC in Academy Sporting Goods. Something I need to know? I'm sure eventually I will be headed to Academy for something. |
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Mississippian wrote: look forward to hearing from you when you OC in Academy Sporting Goods. nothing that you probably don't know already, Academy has a satellite police station next door, I wouldn't advise to OC in Academy, cause a employee might get scared and run next door a whine. I did happen to see a old black security guard in there one OC a old six shooter and know one acted crazy about it. But its probably because he was a old country black guy with a six shooter and a security hat on with a old worn out blue jacket with a American flag on one of the sleeves. I wouldn't be as fortunate, cause I'm alot younger than a 70 something man. And I might come across as some young kid who is to inexperienced to carry a gun. Even though they don't know I've already been to war and handle way more fire power then any shop can offer around here. That just don't matter to people, people stereotype all the time and make there minds up for themselves, wouldn't you agree. I just stereotyped the old guy, cause he was old, I'm assuming he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with his little six shooter if he had to, but at the same time, he could just prove me wrong. I didn't think twice about the gun he was wearing on his side, not cause he stands for the same thing I do, but be cause he was a old dude, and I just don't think some guy in his 70's is going to be able to shoot someone accurately with those old eyes. But hey, I could just be a really mean wrong a** whole. |
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Thanks for the 'heads-up'. I am not the type to just run up to Academy and dare anyone to mess with me, but at the same time, I will not let the fear of being harrassed keep me from going there if I need to...They have some pretty good sales on fishing gear at times, most of the gear I use on my kayak came from Academy. |
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sweetness... that's good to hear Mississippian! i doubt i'll try that one again though unless i hear from Wal-Mart higher ups in a positive way. which i've still neglected to contact about it, i'm a slacker, i know. MrAdvocate are you saying you OC in that Wal-Mart all the time?? |
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Just that day we are in there dixieborn. But you,I, and everyone else in our area and across Al. that is pro OC should try and OC all the time. The more people see other people carry the more normal it will become and it will just start to look like nothing more than a cell phone on your side after, lets say a year or less. |
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i was all over town today with no troubles at all! bought some ammo at the Wal-Mart in Semmes, i always get a kick out of it when they card me for buying handgun ammo when there's a .45 on my hip, but i'm glad to give it to them. kept just the holster when i went into the post office to buy some stamps. later i was in both the Books-a-Million on Airport, and the one in the mall with no issues. then the Christian bookstore on Schillinger, the nice lady in there was surprised to see it and asked me about why i carried it, but didn't have a problem with it. then last stop in the Winn Dixie at Schillinger/Ziegler. i carry in there just about every time i need groceries and have never had a problem despite some people's comments on here... all in all good day, and happy i didn't have to use the digital voice recorder i bought for the purpose! |
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awesome dixieborn, that's great you accomplished all that, what about the law and the post office, I thought your not even allowed to have a firearm even in your vehicle on there parking lot, cause that's considered federal property. I don't know, just asking, I always hate going to the post office, cause leave my firearm at home, go to the post office, then drive back home to pick it up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know the post office by the airport is like that, I know I read something about no firearms allow on premises, at the post office. That being said, The most dangerous place in America, A gun free zone. Any place you can't carry is a dangerous place. anyways, good job, and keep up the good work Dixieborn |
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back in the Semmes Blockbuster and Winn-Dixie today OC'ing the 1911 with a buddy of mine who was carrying his Sig. no issues whatsoever and didn't even get that many strange looks! |
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Advocate I never asked for your validation, and I have no desire to gain it. In all your posts in this one topic, never once have you provided an instance of your own that you have ever OC'd around Mobile. So please stop providing nonsensical replies to my posts. They get very old, I do not want or need your fashion advice, and your 'legal advice' is ridiculous. (While I agree Mobile cops can be inappropriate, I'd bet my next paycheck that I will never get accused of 'demonstrating' while shopping by myself in Winn-Dixie.) In short, you really do not need to search through every single discussion topic on this forum and respond to all of them. If you have something to contribute, by all means do so, but the never-ending obnoxious seeking out and adding your $.02 to every single thread here is bad form... |
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There's always one guy somewhere, who feels they know everything and feels there opinion and way of doing stuff is so much better, that they feel they don't need any one elses responses,hmmm, need I say more, I won't be responding to anymore of your post dixie, but I will continue to post on anything that I feel requires a good response to a post other then yours, you obviously don't need any advice from me, you have been granted a gift that none of the rest of us humans have, congratulations. |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: There's always one guy somewhere, who feels they know everything and feels there opinion and way of doing stuff is so much better, that they feel they don't need any one elses responses,hmmm, need I say more, I won't be responding to anymore of your post dixie, but I will continue to post on anything that I feel requires a good response to a post other then yours, you obviously don't need any advice from me, you have been granted a gift that none of the rest of us humans have, congratulations. I think what dixieborn is trying to get across is that your enthusiasm for open carry is appreciated, but replying to every single response on every single thread is a bit overkill. |
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Well the fact is, I have on more than one occasion asked for the advice and input of others on this forum. It just happens I have never asked for yours... yet for some reason, I (and anyone else who dares post here) get what I did not ask for and more. I do appreciate constructive and helpful advice from others, I do not appreciate condescension. I'll leave it at that, I have no intention of hijacking this thread into an argument. And I look forward to reading the constructive, positive, and polite posts from anyone in the future! |
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Well I finally got around to contacting Wal-Mart about my run in with their Schillinger store... here's their response. I'll probably head back there and try to talk to a manager about it again citing this policy. Will let y'all know if I hear anything new! Thank you for your message. Dear *name*, There is no policy against customers carrying their handgun in our stores as long as he/she is legally licenced by their state to carry. As a private property owner, Wal-Mart has the authority and ability ask customers to leave or to remove their handgun on case-by-case basis if it is causing any kind of a problem. Walmart Customer Relations [code] |
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Wal-Mart has the authority and ability ask customers to leave or to remove their handgun on case-by-case basis if it is causing any kind of a problem. I would have to say that that goes without saying! But IMO, it also gives enough leeway for a manager who is an anti to dis-arm an OC'er for no other reason but to make him (or her) feel better. I would just find a different place to shop if that became the case. |
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Yeah, I agree and might have to end up not going back there... but I want to at least give it a shot. If my telling the manager that Wal-Mart has no such policy against firearms in the stores can actually convince him, then we're all better off for it! If not... I'll stick with the Wal-Mart in Semmes. |
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FYI, even with a copy of the policy in hand, the manager told me that if she saw me in there with a gun exposed, she'd kick me out every single time. She wouldn't even wait to see if its presence is "causing any kind of a problem." Any attempts at reasoning with her as to why she did not follow Wal-Mart's policy, or even the irrationality of her own policy led to the typical liberal response: repeat the rehearsed sound bite ad nauseam. Needless to say, I will not be shopping at the Schillinger Wal-Mart ever again... |
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Thanks everyone for your help , I will be calling the corporation immediately on this one. |
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I have been around a bit today OC'ing, I usually don't note my carryings all the time cause I do carry all the time. So for some people out here on this thread, I went to one of the Firestone's here in mobile, then went to Cracker Barrel, and earlier during the day I bought a pizza for my brother at little caesars, no problems, nor should there be. I called the corporate walmart number and spoke to a customer service rep on the Schillinger Store issue with the Wal-Mart policy, I will let yall know how it turns out when I hear back from one of the corporate managers. |
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This past week, I've OC'd in the Walmart @ Shillingers, Walmart @ Dawes and Cottage Hill and Walgreens located in Grand Bay. |
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im new to these forums, i just found them because i'm sick and tired of not being sure where it is actually prohibited for me to carry my pistol, both concealed and open. after reading through a lot of information, including many of your posts on here, no one seems to have had issues with concealed carry, but only with open. i have been curious about what qualifies as concealed though. i'm typically an overannalytical person and i dont want to cause a panic cause someone see's a bulge in my shirt. i have just recently returned from Iraq (been home about 5 months now) so im not some kid who thinks it'd be cool to carry a handgun around. i simply want to excercise what im allowed to do. oh, and i live in the theodore/grand bay area just down the road from rubies quick stop (well, thats what it used to be) and if anyone knows a place to go and practice a bit, i'd love to go with ya. |
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rebelspartan117 wrote: im new to these forums, i just found them because i'm sick and tired of not being sure where it is actually prohibited for me to carry my pistol, both concealed and open. after reading through a lot of information, including many of your posts on here, no one seems to have had issues with concealed carry, but only with open. Steve's Gun Shop on old shell gives us military discounts for the range, it's under knew ownership now. We military guys, use to only have to pay 5 dollars, but the new guy charges more. As far as concealed carry, it means that, I not sure if Al. has a printing law on if your firearm prints through your clothes or not. It doesn't specify how your suppose to conceal, or how deeply you must conceal, so the choice is yours. I do both OC and CC. When I CC my full frame semi-auto, I just throw on a hanging shirt of my other shirt and it covers my firearm, now the way I see it, you can't help stuff like the wind blowing your shirt out of the way and exposing your firearm and it's not exactly practical to wear a blazer in this mobile heat, cause you might pass out with the high heat we have hear. If you don't want your firearm exposed at all I would start looking into belly band holsters or the smart carry or thunder wear. Not to mention you have concealment vest by 5.11 and some leather companies make some concealment vest with built in holster in the inside pockets. But back to wearing just a breezy hang shirt in more practical for this type of weather in my opinion, so you have your permit on you to carry it concealed and if your outside shirt blows open by the wind or just normal walking your OK also, because open carry is legal in Al. so either way your covered. Other then that, if you don't want your firearm expose at all, just purchase a smaller framed firearm, and if you already have a smaller firearm, then putting it in your pocket works well, like a kel-tec small frame or the Ruger small frame LCP. My opinion is if your going to put your pistol/firearm in your pants pocket, make sure you don't put a round in the chamber, you could be reaching in your pocket for your keys,cellphone or change and your finger my just tap the trigger, not good , not good at all. But I'm not giving any advise here, this is just merely my opinion, and some of my daily carrying techniques, just something to think about, I don't want to offend anyone here, I offending one guy on this thread, which I started and didn't mean to. So that's it, just something to ponder on, let me know if you have other preferred methods of safe carry , both CC and OC , I'm always willing to learn new techniques. I myself was in Iraq to, so this whole CC thing is not to cool in my book, I prefer to OC, I'm a bit of a more heavy set guy , since I've been out of the military for a few years. Doing no physical exercise , getting older, and my metabolism slowing down, doesn't make it easy for my to carry my preferred firearm which is a large frame. So OC, is just easier all the way around for me, both comfort, better accuracy, and easier access in case I'm in danger. Thank You , Mr. Advocate |
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rebelspartan117 wrote: im new to these forums, i just found them because i'm sick and tired of not being sure where it is actually prohibited for me to carry my pistol, both concealed and open. after reading through a lot of information, including many of your posts on here, no one seems to have had issues with concealed carry, but only with open.I don't think there'd be much problem if you were carrying concealed (with a permit) and were printing. As has been pointed out, open carry is legal, so it is almost a moot point. I'd imagine you'd likely run into more problems open carrying and having it get covered by something to the point where it could be considered concealed if you didn't have a permit on you. Just my take, though. I carry a 5" 1911 both concealed and open, and after seeing how few people seem to notice it when open carrying, I doubt anyone would ever notice even if something was bulging out, despite it being a rather big chunk of metal to hide. And I usually carry concealed under just a T-shirt, sometimes not even that loose fitting. As for open carry, there's a pdf of a tri-fold thing with the Alabama case laws on it. It's good reading to at least be familiar with. I actually don't know of too many ranges around here, I've only been here about 6 months, myself. The only one's I know are Steve's, and the Styx River one that's across the bay off of I-10. Oh, and welcome home! |
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ok, thank you all very much for the info. ya, i was a bit upset when i heard that the mobile shooting center range was closed cause i dont feel like driving all the way to loxley (or thereabouts) to go to a range. ya, right now i only have a Ruger P95 9mm, looking to expand my collection soon to hopefully include a 1911. but im getting off the topic of this thread, my apologies. but i'll def post my experiences should i decide to open carry. |
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I carry a Ruger P89 in a Don Hume open top under an untucked shirt and my wife has often thought I wasn't carrying. For deeper concealment I will carry my Keltec PF9 IWB, and if I have to tuck-in like for church or something, I pocket carry it in a Desantis Nemesis (which covers the trigger incidently). When I first started carrying, I went to the library and to read up first hand on what was and wasn't legal. That was 20 years ago and the laws appear to have changed somewhat but at that time I distinctly remember it being spelled out that the definition of concealed was if it wasn't readily identifiable as a gun to a casual observer. So basically, if someone sees it and says "Ah! He's got a gun!" it isn't concealed and no permit is required. It was in the definitions section of the concealed carry statute which doesn't seem to exist in the online version. Maybe I'll make a trek to the library to look it up sometime, or maybe my memory is getting foggy. |
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rebelspartan117 wrote: ok, thank you all very much for the info. Steve's on old shell is closed down as far as I know. The only shooting centers I know of is across the bay and over in Pascagoula. I'd head over there if you're in Grand Bay. It's basically down the street from you. $100 for your first year and $70 a year after that with one work day. Just gotta make your own targets. Let me know if you need anything to get your started on that and I can show you how I did mine. |
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dixieborn wrote: FYI, even with a copy of the policy in hand, the manager told me that if she saw me in there with a gun exposed, she'd kick me out every single time. She wouldn't even wait to see if its presence is "causing any kind of a problem." Hey dixie, you should call her back and ask if "concealed" is acceptable there. State law (if I'm not mistaken - I haven't looked, only asked cop buddies) is that concealed is allowed so long as there is not signs stating it's prohibited at the entrance (s) of the facility. This way you can ask why she is willingly violating state law. Also, post her name in this thread so we can all call WM and complain specifically. Last edited on Sat Aug 15th, 2009 04:49 pm by smttysmth02gt |
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smttysmth02gt wroteSteve's is open. I was just in there yesterday to see what had changed with the new management. Looked pretty much the same as the last time I'd been in there. |
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45 Auto wrote: smttysmth02gt wroteSteve's is open. I was just in there yesterday to see what had changed with the new management. Looked pretty much the same as the last time I'd been in there. So it's already been sold??? Damn that was quick!!! |
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Yeah Smtty, concealed is fine, they just don't want to see it. Which is a little backwards in my mind... if I own a store and I were to choose between customers open or concealed carrying, I'd prefer to see their gun on their hips than not know who has what! But regardless, I'm not going to shop in there, concealed or not just because of the rudeness and what not I encountered. The manager's name was Erin, I don't know her last name, sorry. But yeah, that was about the rudest "customer service" I've ever encountered. But besides, the Semmes Wal-Mart has less sales tax anyway! I'll take my business up there. I was happy to hear about Mississippian OC'ing there with no problems, maybe some of the other managers will take charge and make some positive change! |
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dixieborn wrote: Yeah Smtty, concealed is fine, they just don't want to see it. Which is a little backwards in my mind... if I own a store and I were to choose between customers open or concealed carrying, I'd prefer to see their gun on their hips than not know who has what! Actually there is a blonde chick in the sporting goods section at the Semmes walmart who freaked out about someone OC'ing in there and then actually told me about it that day (mine was concealed). You should read my post about it. She basically said "But there are crazy people everywhere!" and I said "which is exactly why people carry guns". |
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Hahahaha.... dude, that guy was me. I was the one open carrying. I think I posted about it on here somewhere. It was great, she didn't even notice I had a Sig on my hip until after she carded me for buying ammo! She did kind of freak out, but not in a bad way, she didn't run to get a manager or ask me to leave or anything like that, she was just a bit incredulous. It's funny, I had about the exact same answer to her "crazy people everywhere" comment. We had a nice discussion about it even though she could hardly believe it. Got another employee in on the discussion who told her again that I was fine and he just wanted to talk about my gun. I definitely like it up there better than the Schillinger location! By the way for an update, OC'ed in the Waffle House on Schillinger the other day, some noticed, even had some offhand comments about it, but no bad ones. Just normal conversation and the typical politeness of an Alabama WaHo! Man I love that All Star Breakfast... |
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dixieborn wrote: Hahahaha.... dude, that guy was me. I was the one open carrying. I think I posted about it on here somewhere. It was great, she didn't even notice I had a Sig on my hip until after she carded me for buying ammo! We should get some meet ups going on... |
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Yeah, I tried to get some meet up smitty, but no one showed for the first one, and we have this stupid demonstration law here in Al. Just to update, a few days ago I OC'd in Lowes on Schillinger and the waffle house on schillinger and moffett. No one cared one way or the other, no comments or questions, just plain ole shopping with my self defense tool on my side.  |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: Yeah, I tried to get some meet up smitty, but no one showed for the first one, and we have this stupid demonstration law here in Al. I didn't mean meet up like as in demonstrate or whatever. Like everyone carry concealed (or open if the establishment doesn't mind) and go eat somewhere...then pass out some flyers in the parking lot or something that lists gun laws and what not. |
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Yeah I'd definitely be game to get together and grab some grub sometime! I'm kind of full up this weekend, actually most weekends... but maybe during the week some time? |
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dixieborn wrote: Yeah I'd definitely be game to get together and grab some grub sometime! I'm kind of full up this weekend, actually most weekends... but maybe during the week some time? lol dude I work from 6 am - 10 pm sat/sun. Mon-fri I keep my kids during the days but in the evenings mon-fri I am generall free. There are some other flyers other than JUST firearms related that we should all be passing out. |
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smttysmth02gt wrote:I didn't mean meet up like as in demonstrate or whatever. Like everyone carry concealed (or open if the establishment doesn't mind) and go eat somewhere...then pass out some flyers in the parking lot or something that lists gun laws and what not. Well I know you mean well and so do I, but demonstration under the Al. law is described as such," Section 13A-11-59 (1) DEMONSTRATION. Demonstrating, picketing, speech making or marching, holding of vigils and all other like forms of conduct which involve the communication or expression of views or grievances engaged in by one or more persons, the conduct of which has the effect, intent or propensity to draw a crowd or onlookers. Such term shall not include casual use of property by visitors or tourists which does not have an intent or propensity to attract a crowd or onlookers. Now if a bunch of us get together and grab some grub/food and hang out CC'd , then that would be fine. Now if we OC, that would follow under Al's demonstration law, not our view, which in my opinion is picketing,and marching, not the rest of what (1) under 13A-11-59 says. They put that into place so that we can't meet up OC'ing and inform the public, BS , I know, but that's one of the problems we have here in good ole Al. |
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Update: OC'd in Captain D's today and Best Buy, no problems, just a good day for eating some seafood, and shopping for some computer upgrades. Other then that, Carry On. Just so everyone knows I OC just about all the time, I just don't always mention it. Still haven't attempted to OC in the evil Schillinger WalMart, I heard way to many bad story's about the management team there, I'd just rather give my business and money to another wal-mart that excepts all customers equally. |
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This past friday, the wife and I OC'd at the Schillingers Walmart and then went to a small mexican restaurant located on the south side of Airport Blvd about one block east of Schillinger (I can't remember the name)...Only got a couple of double takes at the Walmart and even though I sat with the gun visible, only the waiter noticed at the restaurant but didn't let it bother him. Almost forgot, My brother and I went into the Dawes rd Walmart Friday night while I was OCing...The only comments we got was for the 4 cases of wine we bought edit* Only I OC'd, not my wife. Last edited on Tue Aug 25th, 2009 03:08 pm by Mississippian |
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Mr.Advocate wrote
Consider what happened to this guy when all he was doing was delivering a typing job to a client up the street from his home. While there might be a couple of right minded cops the vast majority of them are thugs with badges looking for anything to make a name or big time arrest. Mobile Man Sues USA and City Police for Violating His Civil Rights http://www.theharbinger.org/xvi/980512/tsang.html "But according to Boone's court pleading with the U.S. District Court, "[W]ithout an arrest or search warrant, exigent circumstances or Plaintiff's permission defendants McDonald, Malone, Gulsby, and Tunstall entered Plaintiff's home and began walking toward Plaintiff who was still on the phone with the 911 operator. About halfway between front door and Plaintiff's location in the kitchen, defendants McDonald and Malone drew their service pistols and directed them toward Plaintiff. In fear of grave bodily injury and in his own self-defense Plaintiff picked up a 12-guage shotgun located behind an easy chair and pointed it in the defendants' direction. Defendants then hastily exited Plaintiff's home." Mrs. Hill told The Harbinger last week that she was glad to tell her side of the story of what had happened on April 26, 1996. She said the treatment she received at the hands of the USA police was hurtful, but when she complained to the USA student services office and was told an inquiry would be made, she has not heard anything back. "I think the USA police is not treating him [Boone] fairly. They missed the facts and blew things out of proportion. They over-reacted," Mrs. added. "It is as if you are guilty until proven innocent. "Perhaps Mr. Boone knows his constitutional rights too much for the USA police officer," Mrs. Hill concluded. ... and followup article: Mobile Man Sues USA and City Police: An Update http://www.theharbinger.org/xvii/981020/tsang.html "Boone said he called 911 to report a police officer from USA had tried to strike him with a car while he was riding home on his bicycle and that the person also pointed a gun at him in his front yard. When he saw Tunstall showed up with the same USA police officers who had threatened his life earlier, he called 911 again to request another police officer for help. And when the USA police officers entered his home and McDonald and Malone drew their guns and directed them at him, Boone said he picked up a 12- gauge shotgun in self-defense." |
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smttysmth02gt wrote: dixieborn wrote:Yeah I'd definitely be game to get together and grab some grub sometime! I'm kind of full up this weekend, actually most weekends... but maybe during the week some time? I would too. Just let me know time and place. Preferably a White owned restaurant and not one that employees illegals. I'm also available for coffee. |
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Daddyo wrote: When I first started carrying, I went to the library and to read up first hand on what was and wasn't legal. That was 20 years ago and the laws appear to have changed somewhat but at that time I distinctly remember it being spelled out that the definition of concealed was if it wasn't readily identifiable as a gun to a casual observer. So basically, if someone sees it and says "Ah! He's got a gun!" it isn't concealed and no permit is required. It was in the definitions section of the concealed carry statute which doesn't seem to exist in the online version. Maybe I'll make a trek to the library to look it up sometime, or maybe my memory is getting foggy. When you do legal research you should always go back to the original statute as well as any debate that took place at the time the statute was passed. The 'Code' is not law but merely the internal regulations of those employed by the state. Do you work for the state? If not, the 'Code' doesn't apply to you although they'll nail you with it any time they can. You want look for a state's original statutes and any debate that took place during their passage. This will give you the original intent of such legislation and may actually contradict what is stated within the 'Code' where the 'Code' is often times used to actually conceal the fact that we can in fact exercise Rights. |
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Mr.Advocate wrote: awesome dixieborn, that's great you accomplished all that, what about the law and the post office, I thought your not even allowed to have a firearm even in your vehicle on there parking lot, cause that's considered federal property. Something that you all need to be aware of and that's that the federal government doesn't actually own the property where their buildings and operations are housed. The buildings and property are leased from private parties in the states in which they are located. I'm not a lawyer but it seems that if they don't own the property it can hardly be considered 'federal property' like D.C., Guam, American Samoa, etc. Maybe there's a lawyer that can clarify this matter? |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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"Something that you all need to be aware of and that's that the federal government doesn't actually own the property where their buildings and operations are housed. The buildings and property are leased from private parties in the states in which they are located. " Do you have any evidence of that? Because if so, I had no idea and I'd like to look into it. But I usually need to see it written somewhere besides a forum before I'd really stake a claim to it. Also, "Preferably a White owned restaurant" What does that have to do with anything? As for illegal immigration, I do not support that either, but if you think just because this forum is full of southern gun-totin' types that you've found a haven for racism... then you've come to the wrong place my friend. |
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NathanBForrest Banned
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dixieborn wrote:
Check out this page which discusses bringing buildings that the feds lease up to accessibility guidelines. http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/barrieropfin2.htm From Time, October 17, 1955: "In a lease-purchase arrangement, the Government gets a private contractor to pay for the building, keep title to it. The Government moves in, pays the contractor a fixed yearly sum, also reimburses him for local taxes, insurance and other costs. At the end of the lease period (maximum: 25 years), when the contractor's cost is amortized and his profit made, title to the building goes to the Government. Advantages of the lease-purchase device are that it keeps a steady flow of new buildings coming into the federal system, smooths out peaks and valleys in federal spending caused by enormous lump-sum building appropriations. Moreover, while the contractor has title to the building used by the government, it is not federal property, hence stays on local tax rolls." Most of the buildings that the feds occupy don't belong the them. The majority are owned by private individuals or corporations. You'll have to ascertain whether a building in question is privately owned or government owned as the need arises. But most that I know of are leased and not owned by the feds. Keep this in mind in case a situation arises where this becomes an issue. The feds are all the time moving into new digs. This means they are privately owned in most cases. As for your second question I support White business unless it's an emergency. Last edited on Wed Aug 26th, 2009 02:45 am by NathanBForrest |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Ownership doesn't matter when it comes to the federal law on weapons in federal facilities. http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/930.html g) As used in this section: (1) The term "Federal facility" means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties. If a federal employee is on temporary duty and works out of his hotel room, then that room becomes a "federal facility" for the duration of his stay. Last edited on Thu Aug 27th, 2009 03:52 am by KBCraig |
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kurtmax_0 Regular Member
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NathanBForrest wrote:
Uh.... oookies? |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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Well I finally got out of my normal radius of carrying and hit up some new spots that I was wondering if they might be controversial. OC'd into the Mobile county license commission building to register my truck and motorcycle. No one seemed concerned... I'm not sure the "security guards" even noticed as they appeared rather senile... but no issues so I was happy! Then into the bank where one teller eyed the 1911 with a little surprise in her eyes, but no problems there either. Then back into the dreaded Schillinger WalMart. I know others have OC'd in there with no problems, but I was avoiding it simply because I didn't want to give them my business anymore. However, I didn't want to drive all the way up to Semmes again today, so I stopped in. I didn't run into any angry managers or security people and had no issues today. All in all, just a normal day that I shouldn't be surprised about... guess sometimes I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop based on my past experience. |
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NathanBForrest Banned
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kurtmax_0 wrote: NathanBForrest wrote: Imagine that! I don't do my banking or grocery shopping in Prichard. I don't want a Mexican surgical team doing my open heart surgery. I don't want some Pakistani or Indian living next door to me. Chances are pretty good that if I keep within a White population I'll be less likely a victim of crime and less likely to have to use a firearm to defend my life from violent attack. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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Come on Nathan... take it somewhere else, this isn't your recruiting forum. |
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NathanBForrest Banned
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dixieborn wrote: Come on Nathan... take it somewhere else, this isn't your recruiting forum. I suggest you stop trying to obscure reality with your suicidal propaganda. You do everyone here a disservice by promoting multiculturalism, diversity, and egalitarianism. You also put people's lives in danger when you defend those who are known to engage in violent, felonious crime. But maybe you want to see more dead White people? I'm not recruiting, just stating facts. I've been the victim of three violent, felonious attacks by black thugs since 1992. 1. 1992 face fractured by an attack of four black thugs while sitting in my car in a Krystal drive through. 2. 1995 choked unconscious by a 300 pound black thug and robbed of my valuables. 3. Target of armed robbery attempt February 2007 at the CVS pharmacy located at Airport Blvd. and Cody Road. I told the pharmacy and the police that the store was being targeted for a robbery. They didn't believe me and a week after my encounter with black thugs that pharmacy was robbed by several black thugs. Here are some facts for you 'dixie' just in case you're open to the truth. * According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes. * Most victims of race crime - about 90 per cent - are white, according to the survey "Highlights From 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims," published in 1993. * Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey. * Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the violent racial crimes of whites. * According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks. Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm See also The Color of Crime: http://www.colorofcrime.com/ You can download the pdf by clicking this link: http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf Last edited on Mon Sep 21st, 2009 06:38 pm by NathanBForrest |
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45 Auto Regular Member
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NathanBForrest wrote: dixieborn wrote:Come on Nathan... take it somewhere else, this isn't your recruiting forum. And you do a disservice by promoting bigotry and racism. I am not suggesting that your past experiences shouldn't affect your situational awareness, but to simply decide to apply your displeasure on an entire race of people from your based on the actions of a few shows only ignorance. I may have more to worry about from a 250 lb black man eyeballing my car than I do from a 250 lb white man eyeballing my car but who figures I'm just another ignorant cracker like him, but the fact remains that both of them are 250 lb thugs, and both will equally merit my attention. The basic principles of situational awareness and deciding who constitutes a threat are the same regardless of the race of the person. Considering anything otherwise means you are making assumptions, and I don't assume anything when it comes to my personal safety. You will find good parts of town and bad parts of town regardless of where you are, and you will find thugs and good people regardless of race. It is possible to have the ability to discern between them without resorting to racism. Personally, I will give anyone a chance. If they prove themselves an idiot, a threat, or just ignorant, I choose not to associate with them. I don't keep track of percentages, life is too short to continue to add to the problem. |
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Daddyo Regular Member
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Only time someone has pulled a gun on me was a 50+ year old road-ragin' white guy. I would be more situationally concerned about a white teenager with saggy pants and a hat on sideways than a black guy in a three piece suit. I'll agree that certain demographic groups do tend to have a higher percentage of felons, but rating a someone's threat potential based solely on the quality of their tan wouldn't seem to me to very effective. |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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why are we talking about race on this thread, this thread is about OC in mobile, find yourself another forum if you want to discuss race. Last edited on Thu Sep 24th, 2009 01:28 pm by Mr.Advocate |
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jpierce Administrator 
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NathanBForrest has been banned. OpenCarry.org is a civil rights organizations first and foremost and we support the rights of all American citizens including minorities, members of the GLBT community and immigrants wishing to avail themselves of the blessings to be found in our great and diverse nation! We condemn ANY intolerance or hatred and will NOT allow it on the forum! If you disagree with this premise, then there are other forums where you might find a home, but it is not here. |
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acrimsontide Regular Member
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Deleted as no longer relevant Last edited on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 03:35 pm by acrimsontide |
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Daddyo Regular Member
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We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread topic, already in progress... I've been open carrying my PF9 everywhere lately except on marketing calls. I figure it's probably not a good idea to be asking someone if they'd like to host a book signing for "Victim Selection Error" with a gun hanging out. Anyways, so far been to Lowes of Leeds, Target in Trussville and Hwy 280, and Staples on 280. Even saw a few LEO's and store security. No problems anywhere. On a side note, my book is now available at The Little Professor in Homewood. If you decide to pick one up, give me a PM and I'll be glad to hook up and sign it for ya'. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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Wonderful! Thanks JP, so glad to be back on topic... I was in Winn Dixie yesterday and got to educate one of the guys stocking shelves... he just walked by and asked "You a cop?" I just responded politely that I was not and he seemed a little taken by surprise! Didn't really know what to say after that, didn't give me any trouble though. When I ran into him again later in another aisle, he told me he just assumed it because he saw my gun. (Kind of seemed like he was apologizing) So I assured him it was no problem, but that there does seem to be too many people that don't realize you don't have to be a police officer to carry a gun. Upon which he related to me how the Semmes Wal-Mart had just been robbed recently by a guy with a gun. (I actually hadn't heard that) But I told him that's why more of us who aren't robbing stores ought to be carrying! Nice guy... maybe he'll go buy a gun. |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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Yeah, I know dixieborne, I talked to a guy the other day after some shooting practice, and we got off topic somehow, and I said something about preferring to carry my full framed 9mm on my side. And he said, you can actually carry a gun on your hip in plain view and not be a LEO, and I said, yes of course, it's the state law in Al. I then pulled out a copy of the law on the tri-fold and he read it, I then mentioned he can find additional facts opencarry.org and he said thanks, and he was very happy to here the good news. Thanks jp, for getting us back on topic. Last edited on Thu Sep 24th, 2009 01:32 pm by Mr.Advocate |
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HungSquirrel Regular Member
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Have any non-lynchers been toting openly in Mobile lately? |
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Mr.Advocate Campaign Veteran
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HungSquirrel wrote: Have any non-lynchers been toting openly in Mobile lately? We are off of that subject hungsquirrel, don't bring it up again, this is just about open carry in mobile, that's it. |
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dixieborn Regular Member
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Haha, pretty sure I'd fall into that category Squirrel! Had a nice conversation down at Five Guys (absolutely delicious by the way) the other day while OC'ing the 1911. Guy was sitting at the next table over, and just said "Hey, I'm happy to see y'all exercising your 2nd amendment rights." We had a nice friendly conversation about OC'ing, CC'ing, and the like and then went our separate ways. It's just good to get genuine warmth and encouragement on the issue every once in a while instead of incredulity and shock. Was also out saying hi to some of the neighbors the other day when everyone was out walking, etc. Haha, got some reactions from some of them. None negative (at least to my face), but definitely some that were a bit surprised. But of course as we discussed it, one of the dad's pushing a stroller for his two daughters pulls his shirt up and shows he's carrying IWB. Haha, that also pulled in some reactions but I was thankful for the backup. Hopefully more people in the neighborhood will get wise and we'll keep it a safe area for all law-abiding residents! |
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