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Ohio Patriot Regular Member
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http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/030509_Police_find_weapons_during_traffic_stop  News video: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/030509_Police_find_weapons_during_traffic_stop Press "double size" button next to video window's Menu button to make the video bigger. Check out the comments from Lt. Michael Conti of the Massachusetts State Police. He's proud that they "got the weapons off the street." Love his hat, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Connecticut man ordered held on $10,000 By Linda Bock TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF lbock@telegram.com BOLTON — A judge set bail at $10,000 today for the Connecticut man whose pulled-over pickup was allegedly filled with an assault rifle, a shotgun, a bullet-proof vest, ammunition, brass knuckles and knives. At his arraignment in Clinton District Court, Luke S. Huizinga, 18, of Danbury, Conn., pleaded not guilty to a litany of firearms charges. His lawyer told the court that Mr. Huizinga is an ardent target shooter. Mr. Huizinga was arrested by state police about 12:20 this morning after state police saw the vehicle swerving in and out of lanes on Interstate 495 north in Bolton. He told Trooper Shaun Bellao he was headed to a wedding in Maine. According to police, the driver appeared evasive and a gun case was spotted in the cab of the truck. Trooper Bellao told the driver to get out of the truck, and he patted him down, police said. Mr. Huizinga's lawyer, Michael Ball, told Judge Martha Brennan that Mr. Huizinga thought he was doing the right thing by keeping his guns and ammunition separate. According to state police, troopers searched the truck and found: a 16-inch Bushmaster assault rifle, a Remington 12-gauge shotgun with a pistol grip, seven 30-round magazine ammunition clips and several boxes of ammunition. The assault rifle and the shotgun had both been modified, and each gun was equipped with laser sightings, police said. Mr. Huizinga was charged with: marked lanes violation, possession of a large capacity firearm (rifle), possession of a firearm (shotgun), seven counts of possession of high capacity feeding devices (seven 30-clips), possession of a dangerous weapon (brass knuckles) and unlawful possession of ammunition. Mr. Huizinga may face federal charges, including transporting guns across state lanes and not having a license to carry firearms. Mr. Huizinga told authorities he bought the guns on his 18th birthday in September at a gun store in Connecticut, according to state police. Mr Huizinga is a plumber's apprentice for his father's business. Trooper Bellao found six knives and brass knuckles on Mr. Huizinga, police said. Mr. Huizinga has no previous criminal record, according to authorities. |
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GJD Regular Member
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Holy crap! Massachusetts should be ejected from the United States if they think this way. Last edited on Mon Mar 9th, 2009 07:00 am by GJD |
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Ohio Patriot Regular Member
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Some screenshots from the video. When the Lt. picks up the magazine - or as he calls it, a "large capacity feeding device" - he acts as if he's picking up a dirty diaper.          Last edited on Mon Mar 9th, 2009 04:17 am by Ohio Patriot |
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Rattrapper Regular Member
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I have known the Lt. ALONG TIME, ALL SHOW AND NO GO. |
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Decoligny Regular Member 
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Assuming that he was legally able to possess the firearms in Connecticut, and he was also legally able to possess the firearms in Maine, and of course depending on if they were locked up or not, he should be covered under the following: U.S. CODE Title 18, Part 1, Chap 44 § 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms. Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, that in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Last edited on Mon Mar 9th, 2009 05:05 pm by Decoligny |
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Gray Peterson State Researcher 
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FOPA applies in this situation if I'm reading it right. Who's representing him? Any Mass locals who can find out and get a hold of his lawyer or Public Defender and get them up to speed on FOPA? |
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phone guy Regular Member 
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The pictures clearly show the AR 15 and the shot gun are locked. "The guns are modified" Wow This poor kid, Why would he lie about going to a wedding. A wedding is very easy to check out. When he got to the wedding he just wanted to target shot and show and tell on his gear!! big deal!! I hope our good man Lonnie Wilson will help. Am sure Lonnie is pretty upset right now. |
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Thundar Regular Member 
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The MA State police are Mass Holes. What we have here is a freedom hating tyrannical state that does not respect the constitution. Good on the kid for clearly pleading not guilty. IANAL but I hope that the container that the rifle and shot gun were in was locked, otherwise FOPA may not save him. |
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CJ Regular Member
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Thundar wrote: The MA State police are Mass Holes. Even if they weren't locked, it was legal under MA law, since there's no mention of locked in the MA law for a person travelling through with firearms, just that they're unloaded and enclosed in a case... I hate MA and boycott the state, personally. |
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Rattrapper Regular Member
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CJ wrote: Thundar wrote:The MA State police are Mass Holes. As pictured those firearms were locked for storage or transport as required by Mass. Law. Ma. General Laws Chapter 140. The pump gun did not have to be locked per MGL. Last edited on Tue Mar 10th, 2009 04:51 pm by Rattrapper |
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Thundar Regular Member
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What about those dangerous high capacity magazines? Could he get in trouble for those? |
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Flyer22 Regular Member
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Thundar wrote: What about those dangerous high capacity magazines? Could he get in trouble for those? Of course. Only dangerous people possess such things.  |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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Yes Massachusetts is in America but it has a high crime rate so the gun laws are very strict |
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PikesPeakMtnMan Regular Member 
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Mathias9987 wrote: Yes Massachusetts is in America but it has a high crime rate so the gun laws are very strict Gee....why does that sound so backwards??? |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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just the way those idiots think |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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M.G.L Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, section 131f "A Class A or Class B temporary license to carry firearms or feeding devices or ammunition therefor, within the commonwealth, may be issued by the colonel of state police, or persons authorized by him, to a nonresident or any person not falling within the jurisdiction of a local licensing authority or to an alien that resides outside the commonwealth for purposes of firearms competition and subject to such terms and conditions as said colonel may deem proper..." (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131f.htm) and it goes on for a page or so of conditions, restrictions, blah, blah, blah. It means for a non-resident to even have possession of any firearms, ammunition, "feeding devices" such as clips or magazines in the state of Massachusetts, that person must have the respective temporary license, I don't think he had the license(s) and this is why you MUST research and confirm ALL gun laws FOR ALL the states you plan on traveling through but this guy is being made an example of for everyone planning or thinking of going through the state of Massachusetts with firearms or other kinds of weapons such as knives, brass knuckles, etc. This state's gun laws are a lot more complex than this I just used this for space sake. Massachusetts has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2009 06:24 pm by Mathias9987 |
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CJ Regular Member
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Mathias9987 wrote: M.G.L Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, section 131f "A Class A or Class B temporary license to carry firearms or feeding devices or ammunition therefor, within the commonwealth, may be issued by the colonel of state police, or persons authorized by him, to a nonresident or any person not falling within the jurisdiction of a local licensing authority or to an alien that resides outside the commonwealth for purposes of firearms competition and subject to such terms and conditions as said colonel may deem proper..." (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131f.htm) and it goes on for a page or so of conditions, restrictions, blah, blah, blah. Mass. General Laws Chapter 140, Section 129C A non-resident may possess a rifle or shotgun in Massachu setts: 1. While hunting and in possession of a valid hunting license. 2. While on a firing or shooting range. 3. While traveling in or through Massachusetts if the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and enclosed in a case. 4. While at a firearms show organized by a “regularly existing gun collector’s club or association.” 5. If he or she has a license or permit to possess any firearm in his or her home state, if its licensing requirements are as stringent as those of Massachusetts, as indicated by a published list of such states promulgated by the colonel of state police. |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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CJ wrote: Mathias9987 wrote:M.G.L Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, section 131f "A Class A or Class B temporary license to carry firearms or feeding devices or ammunition therefor, within the commonwealth, may be issued by the colonel of state police, or persons authorized by him, to a nonresident or any person not falling within the jurisdiction of a local licensing authority or to an alien that resides outside the commonwealth for purposes of firearms competition and subject to such terms and conditions as said colonel may deem proper..." (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131f.htm) and it goes on for a page or so of conditions, restrictions, blah, blah, blah. Yes this is true, but if 1 of the firearms were not in a case then that would be nullified. don't get me wrong I hope that this guy gets found not guilty and sues the pants off Massachusetts |
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CJ Regular Member
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Mathias9987 wrote: CJ wrote:Mathias9987 wrote:M.G.L Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, section 131f "A Class A or Class B temporary license to carry firearms or feeding devices or ammunition therefor, within the commonwealth, may be issued by the colonel of state police, or persons authorized by him, to a nonresident or any person not falling within the jurisdiction of a local licensing authority or to an alien that resides outside the commonwealth for purposes of firearms competition and subject to such terms and conditions as said colonel may deem proper..." (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131f.htm) and it goes on for a page or so of conditions, restrictions, blah, blah, blah. His guns were all enclosed in cases. We don't know yet if they were locked per FOPA or not, but they satisfy the state's requirements. But that doesn't mean anything to JBT's who hate freedom. MA...a state I really enjoy boycotting, because I hate it so much. I will never step foot there. Ever... Last edited on Fri Mar 13th, 2009 08:02 pm by CJ |
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Decoligny Regular Member
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Mathias9987 wrote: Yes Massachusetts is in America but it has a high crime rate because the gun laws are very strict Fixed that for ya! |
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Gunslinger Regular Member 
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Decoligny wrote: Assuming that he was legally able to possess the firearms in Connecticut, and he was also legally able to possess the firearms in Maine, and of course depending on if they were locked up or not, he should be covered under the following: Exactly right. Peaceful transport of firearms you are lawfully seized of in your departure and destination state are exempt from state laws. The brass knuckles are illegal in the PDR of MA, I have no doubt, but the seach and seizure smells to me. Sounds like fruit of the poisoned tree. The weapons were being lawfully transported, however. He had a pistol grip for the shotgun! Oh heavens!!!This bimbo Block who wrote the story is a moron. Federal law doesn't require a license and will be an affirmative defense for this kid. Typical @#$%ing M@#$%. |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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thanx Decoligny that makes more sense, now if only we could get that in the heads of the MA legislature to fix their idiotic ways, unfortunately I was born in MA but moved to NH when I was 13 and have lived here ever since |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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Gunslinger wrote: Decoligny wrote:Assuming that he was legally able to possess the firearms in Connecticut, and he was also legally able to possess the firearms in Maine, and of course depending on if they were locked up or not, he should be covered under the following: but what about the ammunition they found in his pockets? |
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Mike Super Moderator
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Mathias9987 wrote: but what about the ammunition they found in his pockets? It's illegal to have ammo in Mass.? |
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timf343 Campaign Veteran 
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I wish I hadn't just read this story. It's 12:46 AM and I don't think I'll be able to sleep. This is SCARY. It just as easily could have been me. I moved to New Hampshire by traveling through Massachusetts (and Illinois, New Jersey, and New York as well) thinking I was safe under the cited Federal law. I had a few thousand rounds of ammo, a couple of "assault" rifles, a few shotguns, and a dozen handguns. Even an airgun now that I think about it. All locked, all encased, but fortunately, all in the bed of my truck (an Avalanche with locked bed cover). At least my gun cases wouldn't have been noticed as they were covered in the bed........... But what a nightmare. That could be my ugly mug up there with all my gear seized and displayed all over the TV. This reminds of another nightmare story I heard a few months ago about a guy traveling through New York airport (on a layover). He was arrested and had his gun seized because his layover resulted in an overnight stay due to weather. His bags were given to him and had to be rechecked (and thus the firearm re-declared). WTF do you do? Congress ignores the constitution. The states ignore Federal law. And YOU get sent to jail for running the maze blindfolded like you thought you were supposed to. I have been enjoying NH and VT. Unfortunately, we're surrounded. You have to go through Canada or Maine or New York or Massachusetts unless you fly. Just try not to get a flight with a layover and check the weather before you get on the flight. |
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timf343 Campaign Veteran
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Mike wrote: It's illegal to have ammo in Mass.? It's even illegal to say words containing the letters GUN.... Begun Burgundy Gunk Laguna It hasn't yet been tested in the state courts whether the letters have to appear in that exact order, but I personally wouldn't risk ordering chicken NUGgets in a restaurant or evenly openly discussing my yoUNGer brother in open company. <end sarcasm> Best to just avoid Massachusetts at all costs. |
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buketdude Regular Member 
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From what i see..all those firearms could be legally owned in CT... |
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CaptSkip Regular Member
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Is anyone getting this kid the info he needs/or his lawyer--- How can we help? Updates? -- Skip |
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CJ Regular Member
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CaptSkip wrote: Is anyone getting this kid the info he needs/or his lawyer--- How can we help? Updates? -- Skip I don't know. Does anyone have any contact info. on him? |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Ohio Patriot wrote: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/030509_Police_find_weapons_during_traffic_stop Good lord, do they just make this crap up out of thin air? Or does someone believe there are any such federal laws? |
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BobbyGun71 Regular Member
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If he had any Mags that were LEO/GOV only or double edge knives & brass knuckles that would make your legally owned firearms in illegally for that reason, because Mass issues Non-Residents Firearms Licenses and he didn't have one that will be in favor for the prosecution, Mass has regulations on body armor, I would think if it was only the firearms and not the other things he had he would have a chance, just the brass knuckles alone would screw your life up in this state that is controlled by the Taliban. I live only 5 minutes from NH and even though I hold a unrestricted Class A LTC I still feel free when I visit NH. I hope this kid walks with just a warning. |
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timf343 Campaign Veteran
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You mentioned a law on body armor. The only one I could find is: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/269-10d.htm It only applies in the event you're wearing it and are in the process of committing a felony. Since this kid wasn't wearing it, I don't think he broke any Mass laws on that particular item. I think it was mentioned more as propaganda. Does anyone have a different take? |
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CJ Regular Member
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BobbyGun71 wrote: If he had any Mags that were LEO/GOV only or double edge knives & brass knuckles that would make your legally owned firearms in illegally for that reason, because Mass issues Non-Residents Firearms Licenses and he didn't have one that will be in favor for the prosecution, Mass has regulations on body armor, I would think if it was only the firearms and not the other things he had he would have a chance, just the brass knuckles alone would screw your life up in this state that is controlled by the Taliban. I live only 5 minutes from NH and even though I hold a unrestricted Class A LTC I still feel free when I visit NH. I hope this kid walks with just a warning. My hope is that since the firearms were perfectly legally being transported, and that was the basis for the search, that the rest of what was found is excluded. He really needs a good lawyer and I really hope his lawyer is well versed on the laws. Only problem with NH, ME and VT are that you're surrounded by those "other" states if you want to go anywhere... Last edited on Mon Mar 16th, 2009 02:05 am by CJ |
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Mathias9987 Regular Member
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Mike wrote: Mathias9987 wrote:but what about the ammunition they found in his pockets? one of the conditions of FOPA is that ammunition can not be readily accessible from the passenger compartment |
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BobbyGun71 Regular Member
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You cannot even have an empty projectile from a shooting range in Mass with out some sort of License, You cannot even have a key chain bullet with out a license. |
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Decoligny Regular Member
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BobbyGun71 wrote: If he had any Mags that were LEO/GOV only or double edge knives & brass knuckles that would make your legally owned firearms in illegally for that reason, because Mass issues Non-Residents Firearms Licenses and he didn't have one that will be in favor for the prosecution, Mass has regulations on body armor, I would think if it was only the firearms and not the other things he had he would have a chance, just the brass knuckles alone would screw your life up in this state that is controlled by the Taliban. I live only 5 minutes from NH and even though I hold a unrestricted Class A LTC I still feel free when I visit NH. I hope this kid walks with just a warning. As far as Non-Resident Firearms Licenses, he was driving through Massachusetts on his way to Maine. A person traveling through the state doesn't require a non-resident license. If it were the case that he needed a non-resident license, then someone traveling from California to Maine would need a non-resident license from Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire. Assuming about $100.00 for a non-resident permit, thats $1,400 just to drive across country with your guns. Second point, even if he had mags marked "LEO/GOV ONLY" that is only a Massachusetts requirement, the magazines could be perfectly legal to own in Connecticut, and thus would be covered under FOPA. Third point, even if he had a double edged knife and brass knuckles, and they were illegal everywhere, if the only reason the police searched his vehicle was because he had LEGAL FIREARMS PROTECTED IN TRANSPORT BY FEDERAL LAW, then anything found because of the search, be it a set of brass knuckles or a kilo of pure cocaine, would have to be thrown out as the fruits of an illegal search. |
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BobbyGun71 Regular Member
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I hear ya Decoligny, but I seen this happened to someone that had only (Handguns) and one of his handguns were a five&seven pistol that had 20 round mags marked with LEO/GOV on them, he didn't even have ammo in his car or on him, just a couple of Pistols with trigger locks and in a lock box, he was 22 years old and had his NH resident Pistol/Revolver License he just got and he was still found guilty and lost everything and got 5 years and probation, the federal law for passing threw was not allowed to be used in a Massachusetts court in his defense in this case, that really sucked, but anyway During a traffic stop if you have anything on you meaning in your pockets like ammunition in any district or state that you need to have a license/permit for then it is state law issue not Federal law issue, if he had it in his vehicle locked up and not had access or in a lock box then federal passer threw law would cover him but once you get stopped for a traffic violation they make their own judgments, being 18 and not 21 plus in age and having a firearm that you need to be 21 to have will not help out in court passer threw or not. This kid will have to prove he did't stop anywhere in Mass while passing threw the state but then again that is not the issue it's just that some Mass state police will be German Nazi troops and bothering folks passing threw. Government power will do it every time. If laws were inforced we would have Barack Hussein Obama in office and Acorn.com would have been shut down. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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Did I miss where the ammo was in the cab? If they found it in the beds box then it is clearly authorized for transport. The video link said he had a spent 50 cal on a string around his neck, was this the only "ammo" on him? If he was not maintaining the marked lanes, lets see the dash cam footage. Wouldn't be surprised that this also wasn't fabricated. So close to freadom only 45 minutes away from the American border. Probably less at that hour. Brasss knuckles make a good heatsink when soldering copper pipes. And since no one else has said it..... "Shotgun Wedding" ring any bells. Gave my sister one on her wedding. Last edited on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 09:57 pm by SlackwareRobert |
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CJ Regular Member
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BobbyGun71 wrote: I hear ya Decoligny, but I seen this happened to someone that had only (Handguns) and one of his handguns were a five&seven pistol that had 20 round mags marked with LEO/GOV on them, he didn't even have ammo in his car or on him, just a couple of Pistols with trigger locks and in a lock box, he was 22 years old and had his NH resident Pistol/Revolver License he just got and he was still found guilty and lost everything and got 5 years and probation, the federal law for passing threw was not allowed to be used in a Massachusetts court in his defense in this case, that really sucked, but anyway During a traffic stop if you have anything on you meaning in your pockets like ammunition in any district or state that you need to have a license/permit for then it is state law issue not Federal law issue, if he had it in his vehicle locked up and not had access or in a lock box then federal passer threw law would cover him but once you get stopped for a traffic violation they make their own judgments, being 18 and not 21 plus in age and having a firearm that you need to be 21 to have will not help out in court passer threw or not. This kid will have to prove he did't stop anywhere in Mass while passing threw the state but then again that is not the issue it's just that some Mass state police will be German Nazi troops and bothering folks passing threw. Government power will do it every time. If laws were inforced we would have Barack Hussein Obama in office and Acorn.com would have been shut down. Didn't that guy appeal it? If he eventually took it up high enough the conviction would have been thrown out. |
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Rattrapper Regular Member
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SlackwareRobert wrote: Did I miss where the ammo was in the cab? If they found it in the beds box thenMass. State Police do not have dash cams |
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Mike Conti Regular Member
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Rattrapper wrote: I have known the Lt. ALONG TIME, ALL SHOW AND NO GO. Private email sent. Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 03:20 am by Mike Conti |
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I don't care much for their uniforms. Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 04:12 am by ralphb72 |
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Rattrapper Regular Member
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ralphb72 wrote: I don't care much for their uniforms. Adolf Hitler liked them enough to copy the pattern, just changed the color. Not much has changed since then. If one were to research case mostly dealing with search and siezure in Mass. that most of the adverse case law comes from the Mass. State Police. |
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Mike Conti Regular Member
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That is incorrect. Another myth. Apparently you have a problem with the MSP, rat, but prefer to throw bombs anonymously. I understand that many people find it cathartic to slam the police in this manner, and that is their right to do so. In your case, however, I take exception because 1) you took a personal shot at me claiming you know me "ALONG time" [sic] and 2) you claim to be a Mass Police Officer. Frankly, I find it hard to believe you are an Environmental P.O. Most I know are very professional. If you would care to email me your contact info, or better yet, post your real name as I have done here, I would be glad to discuss any issues between us. Frankly, I don't believe I know you at all, nor you me as you claim, unless you have attended one of my classes over the years, as I see you also claim to be a firearms instructor. Frankly, I hope that is not the case, because your lack of knowledge and failure to check "facts" before stating them would indicate you to be less than professional in this regard as well. Also, before the flaming begins anew, let me just state that this is my last post here because I am not at liberty to comment on the case in question in detail and I tend to stay off these types of boards. Just know that the trooper did the right thing in this case based on the totality of the circumstances and applicable laws. Also remember that we live in a post-Columbine/Virginia Tech world now, and as such, members of law enforcement are placed in an extremely difficult situation when faced with cases of this nature. Look at the whole scenario, folks, before you pass judgment on the officer who is standing out there on the roadway at 0-dark thirty dealing with the unknown while you sleep peacefully in your beds. Mike Conti http://www.sabergroup.com email: mconti@sabergroup.com Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 04:40 pm by Mike Conti |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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Mike Conti wrote: That is incorrect. Another myth. Having lived in the PDR of Taxachusettes for some time, I've had a few dealing with MSP. All of them polite, fair and professional--much better than the stormtrooper mentality in NH, btw. They also issue non-res CCWs and I had no problem getting mine when I lived there from '03-05 while at Hanscom AFB. They have no axe to grind with nonresidents who have no reason to not issue. Of course, I had a resident CCW in Middlesex County--where they are extremely difficult to get when we moved there after I left the AF active duty, and had no problem with it's renewal in Norfolk County. And with both a VA and NH permit, that probably sped up the process. That being said, the OP violated no gun laws--being protected under Federal "peaceful transit" statute--again, as I said in my prior post, assuming he was lawfully seized of the weapons and ammo in CT. The non-firearms related items he was carrying is another story. And the search may have been illegal rendering all items inadmissable in court under "fruit of the poisoned tree" rulings. I'll be curious to see where this one goes. PS the hats they wear are stupid looking. Last edited on Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 05:52 pm by Gunslinger |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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Mathias9987 wrote: M.G.L Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, section 131f "A Class A or Class B temporary license to carry firearms or feeding devices or ammunition therefor, within the commonwealth, may be issued by the colonel of state police, or persons authorized by him, to a nonresident or any person not falling within the jurisdiction of a local licensing authority or to an alien that resides outside the commonwealth for purposes of firearms competition and subject to such terms and conditions as said colonel may deem proper..." (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131f.htm) and it goes on for a page or so of conditions, restrictions, blah, blah, blah. He is not a "non-resident." He was under peaceful transit and therefore the firearms are protected under the Federal Statue op cit. The non-resident statute applies only to non-res domiciled in MA or stopping for time not incidental to traveling through the state, i.e., more than overnight at a motel--not those passing through. |
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CJ Regular Member
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Mike Conti wrote: That is incorrect. Another myth.People who trample on others' rights like you do deserve nothing but scorn. Can the tired old "police have a dangerous job" excuses. |
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Rattrapper Regular Member
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Lt. I could not get back to you as I had work to do. As for a Problem with MSP NEGATIVE, I just don't care for you. There are many great people on MSP that I would do almost anything for. But there are a few that drink the kool-aid and you are one of them. You showed that when you went after Bank Miller during a training seminar, Remember that! I checked on what he said and HE WAS RIGHT. That showed me all I needed to know about you. Some advice if You are going to be a Public figure, get some thick skin. Other than That I wish you the best. Last edited on Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 01:26 pm by Rattrapper |
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Mike Conti, Thanks for confirming that MSP is monitoring this forum. Are we considered to be possible domestic terrorists for standing up for our rights? That man was in compliance with federal law and the trooper had no right to search him or his vehicle under said laws. I see a federal law suit against the MSP and the arresting officer. And BTW, I don't like your hat or uniform either. |
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mastiff69 Regular Member
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To answer the question is Mass part of the USA, the answer is no they are part of the Stalin mentality , i lived in NH for yrs loved it there, disliked Mass. |
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BobbyGun71 Regular Member
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Lets just say even if this kid gets all these charges dropped he will have a hard time getting the NICS back ground check system to see that, he will get delays when he ever buys firearms from gun stores, I went threw something worse and I was found not guilty by jury, I got my arrest record Annulled I thought I would be fine and move on with my life I was wrong, I got a 5 day delay when I bought a pistol but the pain was when I had to renew my PA-Non resident license to carry and got denied and so did my NH non resident license, I was able to get them after I sent them copies of my Acquittal but every time I renew my Mass resident Class A LTC I have to answer yes I was denied licenses for those 2 state for that reason. It's bad enough i have to answer yes I had to appear in court for a criminal issue and was Acquitted of charges. I hope no one goes threw this, its a pain but I will always put up a fight as long as I'm in this welfare state, im one of those lucky ones that have a Non-Restricted Class A LTC and will not Let MSP screw with me either, always respect all law enforcement but don't let them tread on your rights. |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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What do you mean "annulled"? You need it expunged. Once this happens, it is gone from every data base. I helped a friend do this in Taxachusetts a while back and he has not had a problem getting his Res Pistol Permit there. If you were found not guilty, you should have no problem in having the motion to expunge affirmed. |
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BobbyGun71 Regular Member
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I was charged in New Hampshire, I didn't have any charges in mASSachusetts, The court found me not guilty by unanimous decision on these two charges, It cost me $50 to have that arrest record annulled, The problem was on the question on my Mass res LTC Application asked if I ever had to appear as a defendant for criminal not civil motor vehicle violation, This is the strange thing is I did not have a problem renewing my Mass LTC but I when try I renewed my non-res PA LTC they sent me a letter to challenge the (PICS) Pennsylvania Instant Check System, I sent them copies of my Record of Annulments and they sent me a denial reverse letter and asked me if I wanted to continue to renew my PA- LTC and I did and got my PA-LTC. Is there another process to completely remove everything of this issue off my record? |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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I lived in NH for 16 years. You can have the arrest expunged. Go to the District Court it was tried in and get the form from the clerk. Fill it out, pay the fee and you should be good to go once a judge accepts the motion. There is no legal term called "annullment" unless you're talking about divorce or contract law. You expunge arrests. Last edited on Sat Apr 11th, 2009 03:36 am by Gunslinger |
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BobbyGun71 Regular Member
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This is the form that I had to fill If I wasted my arrest record sealed or wiped out http://www.courts.state.nh.us/district/annulmentpetition.pdf They also ask you if you have had your criminal record annulled on the NH Pistol/Revolver License application. |
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WCrawford Regular Member 
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I read a news report that this guy was to be in court on April 3rd. Does anyone have any more info on this case? |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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That's the correct form, although they evidently (NH is a bit weird at times and has changed the wording since the '90s when I lived there) are interchanging annulment with expungement. You record should have been expunged completely. You may want to invest the $25 to do a criminal records check on yourself on one of the internet sites to make sure nothing is lingering there. Just because the motion (petition) is granted by a DC judge doesn't mean the beaurocracy worked. Good luck! |
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rpyne Regular Member
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Mathias9987 wrote: Yes Massachusetts is in America but it has a high crime rate so the gun laws are very strict Exactly backwards. Gun laws are very strict so the crime rate is high. |
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phone guy Regular Member
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Any news on Luke Huizinga? Is he still in jail? |
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rpyne Regular Member
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Rattrapper wrote: Mass. State Police do not have dash cams Probably for their own protection so no one can use the video against them. JBTs never want their actions recorded. |
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smoking357 Banned 
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I live in the South, and, in many ways, Massachusetts is far more "American" than here. I've learned that everyone wants to control others, so the variety of control differs, by region. If you advocate the absence of control, regardless of region, you will be vilified and despised. People hate other people, and they use the government as muscle to hurt others. The sad reality is that America isn't "American," and hasn't been, for a very long time. We're far from the freest country on earth. |
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