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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member 
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How long does it take to receive your CCW permit? My application for Utah was received on 3/3/09, how long does it for them to send your CCW permit? |
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rpyne Regular Member
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JohnnyBlk45 wrote: How long does it take to receive your CCW permit? My application for Utah was received on 3/3/09, how long does it for them to send your CCW permit? While this question would be better asked on a Concealed Carry forum, I'll answer as best as I can. Utah Code allows them 60 days to issue a permit, HOWEVER, there is no real enforcement. They claim they are complying if they get it issued within 60 days of when they finally log it in to their system. Generally, that is after your payment has cleared the bank, which can be almost any time since they get around the requirement by simply not opening their mail until they are ready to process the applications. In my case, it was 27 days from mailing to when they started the clock on the 60 days. It was mailed 59 days later. I wouldn't give them too much grief, though, last time I heard they were processing about 800 applications a day. |
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Loneviking Regular Member
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Just a tip that might help. If you are applying for an 'out of state' permit, it might be a good idea to include a copy of your resident state CCW permit with your app. I did and had my Utah permit in about thirty days. I can't say for sure that this makes a difference, (I live in Nevada and maybe they are giving preference to apps. from adjoining states?) but it can't hurt. |
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mqondo Regular Member 
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It has been taking very close to the 60 days from the time your payment was PROCESSED. So if you wrote a check, or used a credit card, then check to see if they have either cashed the check or charged the card. Then it will be very close to the 60 days from that time. If you paid cash, it will be sooner. Not sure how much sooner though. |
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SGT Jensen State Researcher 
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rpyne wrote: I wouldn't give them too much grief, though, last time I heard they were processing about 800 applications a day. First quarter numbers are in for 2009. A new record number of applicants. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12167687 Utah hands out record-shattering number of concealed weapons permits Uncertainty » Political, economic climate may be fueling permit increases. By Sheena Mcfarland The Salt Lake Tribune Updated: 04/17/2009 06:20:53 PM MDT There's been a record-breaking run on concealed weapons permits in the state in what gun store owners and activists say is fueled by political and economic uncertainty. Utah issued 15,389 concealed weapons permits in the first three months of the year, shattering the previous record of 11,996, which was set in the second quarter of 2008. Traditionally, slightly more permits have gone out of state than to Utah residents. But in the most recent quarter, permits going to Utahns edged out those going to non-residents, said Lt. Doug Anderson, Bureau of Criminal Identification manager. Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, points to several reasons for the sharp increase, including fear that the plummeting economy could lead to an increase in home invasions and carjackings. "People are unsure about what may happen to society should everything come crashing down," Aposhian said. "They may have to protect their family, home and food supply." It's that fear, justified or not, that also may be causing runs on ammunition and guns. The last quarter of 2008 showed a huge jump in gun sales, and while that dropped in the last three months, the overall upward trend appears to be continuing. "People are choosing to go about it legally and getting the training to lawfully carry firearms for self defense," Aposhian said. Gun dealers are scrambling to keep up with purchases. "Supply is not necessarily meeting demand right now," said Oly Mann, general manager of Fuzzy Bunny Movie Guns. "There's still a big surge. Supply is down and it's getting worse." Demand for all types of guns has increased, he said, and the concealed carry classes the store offers are consistently full. He says many people buying firearms are first-time gun owners. "The general public is more concerned about safety issues nowadays," he said. "I even know people that swore up and down they would never buy or own one, and now they're buying guns." Many friends and neighbors of Charles Hardy, policy director for Gun Owners of Utah, are doing the same. The trend is unusual in that historically during economic downturns, people will pawn or sell some of their guns for some quick cash, Hardy said, but this trend is headed in the opposite direction. He says many of the fears are fueled by a distrust of federal politicians. Despite recent public announcements from President Barack Obama and congressional leaders they won't pursue an assault weapons ban, people are distrustful of those promises, says Hardy. He points to bills such as the federal HR45, sponsored by Rep. Bobby L. Rush, D-Ill., which would require all gun owners to have a license to own a gun. He says that while a bill similar to it has been proposed annually for the last 10 or 15 years, people worry about having a Democratic president and Democratically controlled houses. "The bill continues to drive the concern that Washington, D.C., is full of people who don't like guns and don't like people having guns," Hardy said. "The perception is there." Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 11:31 am by SGT Jensen |
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texnutah Regular Member
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Plan on about 60 days from the time your check is cashed. I attended my class on Feb. 5th. My check was cashed on the 17th. I received my permit almost exactly 60 days later. RT |
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tbottoms7 Regular Member
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Expect even longer wait periods than the two month time period designated in the statue for the BCI of Utah to issue. It seems several of the employee's at BCI feel it is their RIGHT to DELAY your permit JUST SO THEY CAN MAKE A POLITICAL POINT TO UTAH HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE. It seems Doug Anderson, Alice Ericson (Dept Commissioner), and Commissioner R. Townsend feel overworked and understaffed, thereby justifying violation of state statute that requires issuance or denial of your costly ($65) application. According to Commissioner R. Townsend, your LT. Governor Gary Herbert (soon to replace Huntsman) approves of this VIOLATION OF LAW. My application was submitted on March 9th and has yet to be processed! It was submitted at the BCI and a CASH receipt was given at the window. Do not pay with a Credit Card as they will use the CC processing date to further soften their workload (while still violating the law). Please contact your Utah House and Senate Reps and let them know that the self absorbed childish conduct of BCI in delaying your permit simply to make a political statement is unacceptable! |
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swillden Regular Member 
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JohnnyBlk45 wrote: How long does it take to receive your CCW permit? My application for Utah was received on 3/3/09, how long does it for them to send your CCW permit? That's a good question, and one that I've been doing a lot of work trying to answer. Here's a chart showing the data I've collected from numerous people over on utahconcealedcarry.com, with moving average lines that try to give you an idea of the latest times we're seeing.  Each vertical line represents one person's permit, and it's on the date they sent in their application. The height of the blue dot represents how long it was before the BCI collected their payment (charged the card or cashed the check) and the height of the purple dot shows how long it took them to receive their permit. For more detail, and for information about how to add YOUR data to the mix to help us develop good statistics, see: http://utahconcealedcarry.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5497 |
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David59 Regular Member
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Mailed 2/10/09, check cashed 3/10/09, issued 5/20/09 and in my hands 5/26/09. Also received a letter stating that "this permit is valid contingent on a satisfactory criminal history report being received from the FBI" It also states that my permit may be revoked if my fingerprint card is rejected.  |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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Is there a number I can call to see if my permit was mailed out? |
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David59 Regular Member
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From the Utah website Any questions please contact BCI at (801) 965-4445. |
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Loneviking Regular Member
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David59 wrote: Mailed 2/10/09, check cashed 3/10/09, issued 5/20/09 and in my hands 5/26/09. They do this just as a 'CYA' thing. I've never heard of a permit being turned down after it was issued. Mine had the same language and six months later I've heard nothing from them. Trust me, if there was something wrong, BCI would be calling you direct. I know, I've had them do that to me because the instructor on my certificate was no longer certified by the State of Utah! |
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calmp9 Regular Member
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JohnnyBlk45 wrote: How long does it take to receive your CCW permit? My application for Utah was received on 3/3/09, how long does it for them to send your CCW permit? My brother's check posted to his account on March 4. He called me on Memorial Day to tell me that his Utah permit had arrived. Since it was a holiday, he must have gotten it on May 23. He almost blew it, though. We both took the class last on March 12, 2008. I got my permit a long time ago, but he waited. The signed certficate is good for a year and I called him to warn him about it. He barely got the application in on time because we weren't sure how long it would take for Utah BCI to open the envelope and turn the check into the bank. Last edited on Fri May 29th, 2009 05:36 pm by calmp9 |
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TommyJ1912 Regular Member
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The BCI received my application for a non-resident permit on 03/11/2009. I paid for the app. fee via a USPS money order. It's now 06/13/2009 (more than 90 days later) and I still haven't received my permit.  |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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TommyJ1912 wrote:The BCI received my application for a non-resident permit on 03/11/2009. I paid for the app. fee via a USPS money order. It's now 06/13/2009 (more than 90 days later) and I still haven't received my permit. I'm still waiting also  |
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Bennelli Regular Member
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They are out 90 days, and not the 60 days like the law states, don't call to check on it, because the phone calls stops them from processing a permit. Good Luck and always carry where you can! |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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 I just received my UTAH permit in the mail |
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bmeldrum Regular Member 
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Bennelli wrote: They are out 90 days, and not the 60 days like the law states, don't call to check on it, because the phone calls stops them from processing a permit. Good Luck and always carry where you can! so if I were to call the 801-965-4445 to see if its been mailed or something they will stop the processing? The payment cleared my bank 4/10/09 and it's now 66days and no permit. Also if there was a problem would they either call or mail a letter? I'm just anxious... |
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thx997303 Regular Member 
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No, if they are talking on the phone, they can't be processing apps at the same time. So, I guess if I finish my class, I would be expecting around 90 days to recieve mine? |
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bmeldrum Regular Member
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Thats what is seems like now, 60-90 days. Guess I can expect around July 10th for mine: unless the 'Gun Gods' deem me worthy to receive it earlier. |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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90 days from the time your check clears. |
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bmeldrum Regular Member
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I'm curious now: this 60-90 days after they process the payment, is this calendar days or working business days (as they are only open Mon-Thur 7am-6pm) & closed on holidays. So would that be calendar or business days? Because if it's calendar days than I'm at 67days, but if it's business days than I'm only at like 40 days. Patient is not a virtue for me, I hate waiting... |
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thx997303 Regular Member
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Man, something needs to be done, the law says 60 days, not 90. Pissin me off, and i'm not even waiting for a permit yet. |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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thx997303 wrote:Man, something needs to be done, the law says 60 days, not 90. I know the feeling |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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bmeldrum wrote:I'm curious now: this 60-90 days after they process the payment, is this calendar days or working business days (as they are only open Mon-Thur 7am-6pm) & closed on holidays. So would that be calendar or business days? I think it's business day but I could be wrong. |
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SGT Jensen State Researcher
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Divegeek (swillden) has been tracking this data, and has put together a handy spreadsheet. http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5497 |
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Mark (IL) Regular Member
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David59 wrote:Mailed 2/10/09, check cashed 3/10/09, issued 5/20/09 and in my hands 5/26/09. They send me a letter a few weeks after issuing, indicating that my fingerprint card had been rejected, and asked for a new one (I have practically no ridges, am hard to print). Sent a new one from a Livescan Electronic outfit, and heard no more from them... |
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TommyJ1912 Regular Member
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I called the BCI this morning to check on the status of my permit application. The gentleman I spoke to was very nice. He informed me that they no longer do courtesy status checks and the total processing time for applications is now 4.5 months!  The UT legislature really needs to provide them with more funding for the next calendar year... |
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bmeldrum Regular Member
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TommyJ1912 wrote: I called the BCI this morning to check on the status of my permit application. The gentleman I spoke to was very nice. He informed me that they no longer do courtesy status checks...I called the BCI this morning also & asked to know about the status of my permit application. The lady was also nice & she just asked when did the payment get processed? I told her it was on April 9th. She said "we haven't gotten to the April 9th apps, it'll probably be another week or two". So sounds like they sort the files based on the payment date... |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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I received my Utah conceal carry permit last week, I was so happy. I know Utah allows OC so why does the permit state CC permit. |
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rpyne Regular Member
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JohnnyBlk45 wrote: I received my Utah conceal carry permit last week, I was so happy. I know Utah allows OC so why does the permit state CC permit. Because no permit is required for OC. |
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JohnnyBlk45 Regular Member
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rpyne wrote:JohnnyBlk45 wrote:I received my Utah conceal carry permit last week, I was so happy. I know Utah allows OC so why does the permit state CC permit. Thanks for confirming. |
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thx997303 Regular Member
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Nobody else is upset about the long wait times? The law says what? 60 days? |
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bmeldrum Regular Member
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thx997303 wrote: Nobody else is upset about the long wait times? The law says what? 60 days? I think (speaking for myself) it's just easier to try to be patient (learn patience) instead of complaining. I'm frustrated about the wait time but I can live with carrying openly. Certainly if we all speak up and address the issues to those that can make a difference (congress man/women & the legislators, people in our community), if we take an active role in those settings than perhaps we can make a difference! AMEN! (that's my soap box for the day) |
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ProtectedBy9mm Regular Member 
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thx997303 wrote: Nobody else is upset about the long wait times?... This is why i applied for Florida's CFP... got it in 55 days. Its a bit more expensive ($117), not counting whatever you spend on your CFP course), but guess what: Its in my wallet. AND its for 7 years, not 5. The law says what? 60 days? Lolz,- yea, the law also says you can legally OC in Utah, but that doesn't stop anyone from giving us flak, or trying to impede in some way.. Hopefully it won't be too much longer for ya'll! hang in there.  bmeldrum wrote:... ...it's just easier to try to be patient (learn patience) instead of complaining....but I can live with carrying openly.... +1 Last edited on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 11:08 pm by ProtectedBy9mm |
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UtahRSO Regular Member 
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Aw, remembering the "good ol' days." I took my class in 2002 on a Saturday, went to the BCI on Monday (two days later) with the paperwork, got my permit (in the mail!) on Thursday. Total time between class and receiving permit -- 5 days. I renewed a couple of years ago, and that took quite a bit more time. |
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bmeldrum Regular Member
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Well today was the day! I got home, checked the mail and there it was, the letter from the Department of Public safety with what felt like a card inside. Oh it was even better than when I got my mission call. Opened it up and there it was!  So in all: payment went through April 9th than July 1st received my permit!! Happy day! Of course I'll continue to oc and exercise my rights...Last edited on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 06:56 pm by bmeldrum |
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bmeldrum Regular Member
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So now that I have my permit I'm trying to brush up on where I can & can't go. As a permit holder I can pretty much go anywhere, other than: (Airport secure areas, 2. Court secure areas, 3. Jail secure areas, 4. Post Offices, 5. National Parks and monuments, 6. Federal Buildings, 7. Correctional and Mental Health Facilities, 8. A house of worship (posted with BCI), 9. A residence if notice is given (posted sign). I can (now being a permit holder) enter school zones, UTA/TRAXS (does it have to be cc or oc in those areas)?. Also from reading on the BCI site & looking at the maps here, I can go to any of the 33 states (that recognize Utah permits) and can CC or OC or both? Than pretty much anywhere else following the 'don't ask, don't tell policy" right? |
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thx997303 Regular Member
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ProtectedBy9mm wrote: thx997303 wrote:Nobody else is upset about the long wait times?... Yes, it may be easier, but unfortunately the BCI is breaking the law through their little self made loophole, one that is also frequently broken. They are breaking the law, and should definitely be fought about it. Who should I contact about this? My first instinct would be The AG, is this correct? Last edited on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 08:22 pm by thx997303 |
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utbagpiper State Researcher
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Nothing the AG can do. You see, while the law requires permits to be issued within 90 days, it imposes no penalty for failure to do so, nor relief to those affected. A passage of scripture from the Book of Mormon reads, "Where there is no penalty, there is no law." I'm not sure that made a lot of sense to me until this situation with the BCI arose. Without a penalty or a relief, the law really means nothing. So your best bet is to contact your State legislators and ask them to change the law by imposing some penalty or relief. And if you come up with a really good idea on how to force the BCI to comply let me know, I'll be very supportive. But I haven't yet figured out a good way to go about doing it that would not also greatly undermine the integrity of our permit. Charles |
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thx997303 Regular Member
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90 days? Wait a second Charles, are we reffering to the same law here? 53-5-704. Division duties -- Permit to carry concealed firearm -- Certification for concealed firearms instructor -- Requirements for issuance -- Violation -- Denial, suspension, or revocation -- Appeal procedure. (1) (a) The division or its designated agent shall issue a permit to carry a concealed firearm for lawful self defense to an applicant who is 21 years of age or older within 60 days after receiving an application, unless during the 60-day period the division finds proof that the applicant is not of good character. This one? I think we have found ourselves in a catch 22? |
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utbagpiper State Researcher
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Sorry, my mistake/typo. You are right, 60 days. Notice there is no penalty if the division fails to issue permits within 60 days. Charles |
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thx997303 Regular Member
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Yep, I will mull over ways to correct the problem, but who knows if I'll fiure anything out. Sounds like you've been thinking on it for a minute. |
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gvaldeg1 Regular Member 
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As of July 1, 2009 the Utah CCW is no longer recognized in Nevada. |
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thx997303 Regular Member
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Yep, got another thread about that one, thanks for reminding us. |
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