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OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > District of Columbia > Mike Stollenwerk's video testimoney to DC Council re Ensign amendment last night (7 APR 09)
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| OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > District of Columbia > Mike Stollenwerk's video testimoney to DC Council re Ensign amendment last night (7 APR 09)
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Mike Super Moderator
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go to http://oct.dc.gov/services/on_demand_video/channel13/april2009/04_07_09_STATEHOOD.asx Start time hack 3.04.50 for my panel start (Brady Bunch speakers lead off). Start time for my testimony: 3:16:40 Panel then stayed up there for a while council members made anti-gun statements and asked me weird questions about prostitution in Nevada. Quote of the night: "How do you feel Mr. Ramsey . . . when you have to compete against groups like the NRA [and] OpenCarry.org . . . to try to get as much of a level playing field as you can?" - DC At Large Council Member Michael Brown at time hack 03.39.50. Mike Stollenwerk co-founder, OpenCarry.org & DC Gun Rights Examiner for The Examiner.com Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:22 pm by Mike |
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ChinChin Regular Member 
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I love the councilmen's comment about how it is "extreme" to have an outsider try to govern them. He doesn't take into account the RIFE corruption and city mismanagement which populates the first 5 minutes of local news at least once a month, if not more. Last night it was the DC DMV inspectors taking bribes to pass DC taxis. Previously it was the city controller’s office and the embezzlement of millions of dollars. It's obvious to all but them that they need outsider's to govern them given the half-baked job they do of governing themselves. Illinois has nothing on the District when it comes to political corruption and mismanagement. Get your own house in order; THEN you may be indignant on being able to govern yourself. Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:00 pm by ChinChin |
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nakedshoplifter Regular Member 
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Ok... Why should DC be allowed to regulate prostitution but not guns? Answer is simple: Prostitution is not a constitutionally protected right, gun ownership is. If America creates a amendment stating "The rights of the people to pay for sex shall not be infringed" I would also support prostitution preemption for DC as well. Also, his belief that Stollenwerk does not pay taxes to DC is FALSE. Every US citizen pays taxes to the treasury. Congress then allocates at LEAST several HUNDRED million dollars to DC as part of the yearly "District of Columbia Appropriations Act". And what's up with Mendelson's beef with semi-automatic shotguns? No problems with semi auto rifles, but shotguns are bad? What gives with that? Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 05:00 pm by nakedshoplifter |
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Smurfologist Regular Member 
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Mike wrote: go to http://oct.dc.gov/services/on_demand_video/channel13/april2009/04_07_09_STATEHOOD.asx Eight (8) against one (1) is not fair (smile)!!  You held your own, Mike!! You hang in there and keep up the fight. Maybe one day, everyone will be able to protect themselves inside and outside of their homes! The council members (in my opinion) need to understand that their are guns in the District already that are being used for criminal purposes. Since 1974, guns have been banned in the District and there were still murders with guns!!!  THEY DO NOT GET IT!!! That Mr. Brown was dumbfounded when you told him that you wanted his kids to have the right to carry guns (to make them the same......paraphrasing, of course).Stay the course, Mike! You're DA Man!! The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!!  Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:36 pm by Smurfologist |
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Citizen Founder's Club Member
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I like your style, Mike. I also like that you introduced the political elements about critical mass, and we'll be back. I wonder if there is any utility in pointing out the ridiculous disconnect between claiming a basic right to congressional representation, yet denying a basic human right to self-defense, or burdening it so much as to discourage its exercise. And, I wonder if a little plain speaking might not be useful. A little bit of, "Lets be honest here, you all want congressional representation not for the people of DC but for your own political power." |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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Citizen wrote: I like your style, Mike. +1!! The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! |
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Notso Activist Member
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I'm not at all familiar with how things work in DC, but I'm wondering how much(if any) of my federal taxes goes to support the district's infrastructure - money that would(or at least should) go away if they became a state. And also, what part of 'criminals will have guns anyway' don't they understand? |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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Notso wrote: I'm not at all familiar with how things work in DC, but I'm wondering how much(if any) of my federal taxes goes to support the district's infrastructure - money that would(or at least should) go away if they became a state. That's just it, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND!! IMHO, the DC Council equates criminals with law-abiding citizens. In their discussions, they do not distinguish between the two, which is not fair to us law-abiding citizens!!There is so much that Mike could have said. It is regrettable that he only was given three (3) minutes to do it. The fact is that the DC Council could care less about what he says.........I am just glad that he said it in the manner that he did and he made it clear that the fight will continue (at least that is how I understood him)! The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! Last edited on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 07:00 pm by Smurfologist |
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demnogis Regular Member 
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It seems to me that the main points of the Panel's arguments (against RKBA) hangs on: 1) DC's right to institute regulation as a "state" under their own home rule. 2) 2nd amendment only applies to self defense. 3) Mike was not a resident of DC and therefore should not have a valid opinion. 4) Gun control reduces violence. I don't see any of these, logically, as valid argument points. |
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Smurfologist Regular Member
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demnogis wrote: It seems to me that the main points of the Panel's arguments (against RKBA) hangs on: My sentiments exactly! The 2nd Amendment... brought to you by Beretta and the number 1787!! |
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NightOwl Regular Member
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I can already see that holding off on commenting till the end is more than I can bear. Ms. Chen sounds completely off her rocker. Every single sentence she says is so...out there. "We cannot be complicit in this attempt to pass laws for our own protection and safety". What the...? "Yet, we're told, as the price of possibly getting voting rights we're required to give up that protection". Is she...aware she's in the USA? Has she ever heard of the Constitution? I'm flabbergasted by everything she had to say. If any of you skipped past it, give her a listen, she's the first person after Mr. Brown opens up the discussion. She thinks that the post Heller laws are reasonable!? Mike, your restraint is far greater than mine. I would have been standing up yelling at her for being looney right off the bat. These people...they all seem to want the perks of an actual state, yet don't want to have to stick to the Constitution...anyhow, thanks for posting this video, after seeing these people I can only start seriously considering contacting my congressmen/senators and advising that they deny statehood to this bunch of...people, since they're clearly out of touch with reality. |
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ghostrider Regular Member 
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NightOwl wrote: I can already see that holding off on commenting till the end is more than I can bear. Ms. Chen sounds completely off her rocker. Every single sentence she says is so...out there. "We cannot be complicit in this attempt to pass laws for our own protection and safety". What the...? "Yet, we're told, as the price of possibly getting voting rights we're required to give up that protection". Is she...aware she's in the USA? Has she ever heard of the Constitution? I'm flabbergasted by everything she had to say. If any of you skipped past it, give her a listen, she's the first person after Mr. Brown opens up the discussion. She thinks that the post Heller laws are reasonable!?I believe it is Ms. Cheh. It's hilarious that she would even have the audacity to quote Patrick Henry when her intent is to strip citizens of their rights. It's nothing but a power grab. Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:04 am by ghostrider |
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oilfieldtrash11 Regular Member 
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why no semi auto shotguns? they are awesome for dove hunting...... either way, the gun shoots the bullet, it doesnt matter what weapon it is, it will shoot the bullet. if they take guns away, people will build zip guns, i just dont think that they know enough about guns to really make a good case, if they knew about guns, they would realize they all do the same thing. edit- i love the way the room was silent when you told him that you want his kids to have the right to carry and own firearms. his points made no sense, the brady campaign was talking about common sense laws and mike, you have more common sense than every one of those people testifying in that room. i like how they say you basically slapped the people of D.C. in the face, when really all they did all night was slap you in the face. CARRY ON MIKE! Last edited on Thu Apr 9th, 2009 06:36 am by oilfieldtrash11 |
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Dianosis Regular Member 
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nakedshoplifter wrote: Ok... Why should DC be allowed to regulate prostitution but not guns? Answer is simple: Prostitution is not a constitutionally protected right, gun ownership is. Took the words outta my mouth. And to Mr Mendelson, if I had the choice between your ideas of safety & security, or my freedom, I'll take my freedom thank you. |
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DanM Regular Member 
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NightOwl wrote: Mike, your restraint is far greater than mine. I would have been standing up yelling at her for being looney right off the bat. The calmness that Mike displayed--putting out the facts, sitting back to let the officials make fools of themselves with everything they said, and answering only direct questions with short, sensible answers--actually does far more to highlight anti-gunner's looniness than being verbally confrontational with them. There is an old truism in the arena of public discussion/debate: if your opponents are falling down, simply step back and get out of the way. I'm sure Mike realized how foolish those guys sounded to any reasonable person and he simply let them take themselves down instead of being verbally confrontational and going down with them in the eyes of sensible folks. Most of the time, letting fools be fools without dignifying their foolishness with a response is the most effective thing you can do. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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oilfieldtrash11 wrote: why no semi auto shotguns? they are awesome for dove hunting...... Can you expand on this? Last time I hunted it was with my dad using a pump action 20 guage for hunting for pheasnats in PA. What states let you use semi-auto shotguns for hunting and for what game? Slugs for deer? And what sports use semi-auto shotguns? I will be following up my comments to the DC City Council with a memo as soon as I have some time. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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oilfieldtrash11 wrote: why no semi auto shotguns? they are awesome for dove hunting...... Can you expand on this? Last time I hunted it was with my dad using a pump action 20 guage for hunting for pheasants in PA. What states let you use semi-auto shotguns for hunting and for what game? Slugs for deer? And what sports use semi-auto shotguns? I will be following up my comments to the DC City Council with a memo as soon as I have some time. Last edited on Fri Apr 10th, 2009 12:41 am by Mike |
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nakedshoplifter Regular Member
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Mike wrote: What states let you use semi-auto shotguns for hunting and for what game? Slugs for deer? Kansas: http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/Hunting-Regulations Deer Legal shotgun for deer - 20 gauge or larger, using only slugs. Migratory birds: Bow and arrow, falconry, or shotgun no larger than 10-gauge. Shotguns shall not be able to hold more than three shells. Turkey: http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/Hunting-Regulations/Turkey/General-Information Legal Equipment: Shotguns 20 gauge or larger using shot sizes 2-9; long, recurve or compound bows Sports: Trap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_shooting Semi-autos are popular due to the low recoil and versatility because they can be used for singles, handicap, and doubles Skeet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_shooting Many shooters of American skeet and other national versions still use inexpensive semi-auto and pump action shot guns with great success Clays: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_clays Although the sport is challenging, it is quite popular with novice shooters and ordinary hunters. While many shooters opt for expensive double-barreled shotguns, the game is equally enjoyable with an inexpensive pump-action shotgun or autoloading (semiautomatic) shotgun. |
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nakedshoplifter Regular Member
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Closer to D.C. here are VA's regulations off the DGIF site: http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/hunting/regulations/general.asp
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Mike Super Moderator
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OK, let's focus on the semi-auto shotghun issue - are semi-auto shotguns banned for hunting in many or most states? i need some kind of link proving semi-autos are generally legal to use in hunting. |
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oilfieldtrash11 Regular Member
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http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/mammalregs.asp#355 §355. Ammunition Authorized for Taking Big Game and Nongame Birds and Nongame Mammals in Condor Range. In addition to those conditions provided for in sections 353 and 475, only centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, muzzleloading, shotgun slug, and rimfire ammunition using projectiles certified pursuant to this section as containing no lead (as defined by subsection 353(h)) shall be used for the taking of big game and nongame birds and nongame mammals in condor range (see subsection 353(h)). http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/uplandgamebirdregs.asp#300b1a §311. Methods Authorized for Taking Resident Small Game. Only the following may be used to take resident small game: (a) Shotguns 10 gauge or smaller using shot shells only and incapable of holding more than three shells in the magazine and chamber combined. If a plug is used to reduce the capacity of a magazine to fulfill the requirements of this section, the plug must be of one piece construction incapable of removal without disassembling the gun; (b) Shotgun shells may not be used or possessed that contain shot size larger than No. BB, except that shot size larger than No. 2 may not be used or possessed when taking wild turkey. All shot shall be loose in the shell. (c) Muzzle-loading shotguns; (d) Falconry; (e) Bow and arrow (see Section 354 for archery equipment regulations); (f) Air rifles firing pellets and powered by compressed air or gas (0.20 caliber minimum for taking wild turkey); and firearm rifles and pistols for taking rabbits and squirrels, except in Los Angeles County, in addition to the methods listed in (a), (b), (c), (d) and (e) above; (g) In San Diego and Orange counties only, rabbits may be taken at any time during the open season by means of box traps. Such traps shall not exceed 24 inches in any dimension, shall be tended at least once every 24 hours, and shall show the name and address of the trap owner. All rabbits taken under this section shall be immediately killed and become a part of the daily bag limit; it doesnt say anything against semi-auto shotguns, we have been stopped by DFG game wardens and they said nothing about semi-auto shotguns in our possession. They just checked to make sure that we had plugs in and made sure that it was plugged at 3 shells. we use semi-shotguns in trap and skeet tournaments out here on the west coast, most commonly the snipe shoot which is 30 clays in one minute. 2 shooters. 3 throwing stations, 30 clays are thrown at random and we have to load and shoot as many clays as a team as we can. that is one of the beneficial uses for a semi auto. we also use semi autos for ducks. The models are for example, Browning A5, Browning Gold, Remington 1187 which are all field guns. Remember that this is California where I live and hunt. California is very strict on all of its laws regarding firearms, maybe a point to throw in there. Another thing that is interesting, this is legal in California. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/26/at-14-the-410-ar-15-shotgun/ Last edited on Fri Apr 10th, 2009 07:46 am by oilfieldtrash11 |
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JediWithASniper Regular Member
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Is there anyway someone can upload this clip to youtube, and give a link for it. For some reason I can't seem to access this video. I would really appreciate it, plus it will get more coverage on the tube. |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Mike, here are the regulations from my four-state area. None prohibit any otherwise-legal firearm, except for full auto, caliber restrictions, restrictions on shot size or bullet weight, or magazine capacity. A semi-auto shotgun is legal for all game. Texas: any legal firearm can be used for any game. Exceptions: no rimfire of any caliber for deer, sheep, or antelope; no silencers or machineguns; shotguns only for Spring Eastern Turkey season (no rifles or handguns); shotgun magazines must be plugged to 3 round capacity when hunting migratory game birds and lesser prairie chickens. http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/annual/hunt/means/ Arkansas: All modern guns may be used for deer hunting during modern gun season with the following exceptions. You may not use: • buckshot in a .410 shotgun. • shot smaller than No. 4 buckshot in any shotgun. • rimfire cartridges, military or full metal jacketed ammunition. • any centerfire rifle, pistol or revolver smaller than .22 caliber. • handguns with barrels shorter than 4 inches. http://www.agfc.com/!userfiles/pdfs/guidebooks/08-09Sections/08-09%20Guidebook_pg22-30hunting_regs.pdf Oklahoma: Legal Means of Taking Rifles: Centerfire rifles firing at least a 55-grain weight soft-nosed or hollow-point bullet and having an overall cartridge case length of 1 1/4 inches or longer (9mm rifles are not legal). Clips or magazines of all .22 caliber centerfire firearms may not be capable of holding more than seven (7) rounds of ammunition. Muzzleloaders: Equipment described as legal for deer muzzleloader season and blackpowder firearms loaded from the breech are legal. Shotguns: 20 gauge or larger, firing a single rifled slug are legal. Centerfire handguns: Chambered for .24 caliber or larger and 100 grain or heavier soft- nosed bullet having an overall cartridge case length of 1 1/4 inches or longer are legal (.357 or larger) and a minimum barrel length of four (4) inches. Semi-automatic handguns: Chambered for any centerfire ammunition with a 100-grain or heavier soft-nosed bullet and having a cartridge case size of .40 caliber or larger (includes 10 mm, .357 Sig., and 40 cal. or larger) and a minimum barrel length of four (4) inches. Handguns chambered for any centerfire rifle ammunition: Chambered for any centerfire rifle ammunition using at least a 55-grain soft-nosed bullet and having an overall cartridge case length of 1 1/4 inches or longer and a minimum barrel length of four (4) inches. Illegal devices: Fully automatic firearms, silencers, laser sights and light enhancement devices (night scopes) are illegal. http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/regs/2008huntregs.pdf Louisiana: It is illegal to hunt or shoot deer with firearms smaller than .22 caliber center-fire or a shotgun loaded with anything other than buckshot or rifled slug. Handguns may be used for hunting. RESTRICTIONS:No person shall take migratory game birds: • with a trap, snare, net, rifle, pistol, swivel guns, shotgun larger than 10-gauge, punt gun, battery gun, machine gun, fishhook, poison, drug, explosive or stupefying substance. • with a shotgun capable of holding more than three shells, unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler which is incapable of removal without dissembling the gun. http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/pdfs/hunting/2008-2009_HRDH.pdf |
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AtackDuck Regular Member 
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Mike. It might be easier to list the states that do not allow semi-auto shotgun hunting. IMO it will be none except Hawaii. Might perhaps kick this question up the ladder to the general discussion threads? Last edited on Fri Apr 10th, 2009 10:58 pm by AtackDuck |
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AtackDuck Regular Member
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I tried listening to the 1st 10 minutes of this meeting and I lost it. The members of this council do not know what the US Constitution is, or what the Bill Of Rights is/ They have no concept of what the United States of America is. They do not deserve to be a part of this society. They are a disgrace to everything this country stands for and should be banished. |
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AtackDuck Regular Member
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It is rare indeed, to hear any politicians as ignorant of this country and its form of government, as this bunch of fools. Banishment is too good for them, they might turn some poor fool to their way of thinking and get their entire country blown to hell. |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Once I finally got the video to load, I couldn't find anything about guns. I was unwilling to hunt around through the idiotic comments about "our statehood" just to find Mike's comments. I trust that he acquitted himself well, so I don't need to hear it for myself. My sympathies for those who suffered through the rest. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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KBCraig wrote: Once I finally got the video to load, I couldn't find anything about guns. I was unwilling to hunt around through the idiotic comments about "our statehood" just to find Mike's comments.Start time for my testimony: 3:16:40 - just move the little button till that time and let it play. |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Mike wrote: KBCraig wrote:Once I finally got the video to load, I couldn't find anything about guns. I was unwilling to hunt around through the idiotic comments about "our statehood" just to find Mike's comments.Start time for my testimony: 3:16:40 - just move the little button till that time and let it play. Yes, I saw that in your OP, but since I use a Mac, I rely on a plugin to let Quicktime play Win media. There is no time stamp when I move the slider. And like I said, I already trust that you did a good job; I didn't need, nor want, to hear the continuous crap-spew that constituted everything else on the video. If someone cropped out the relevant portions and posted it to youtube, I'd sure watch it there. |
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grishnav Regular Member
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nakedshoplifter wrote: Ok... Why should DC be allowed to regulate prostitution but not guns? Answer is simple: They shouldn't be. |
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grishnav Regular Member
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Wow. I'm actually liking some of what they have to say. Yes, guys, you *SHOULD* stop paying your taxes. We all should. You *SHOULD* secede. We all should. Can you imagine if Washington DC seceded from the Union? Holy crap, that would be a heaping load of awesome. It would open up the possibility to any state that's even considered it in passing, and before you know it, the union would be gone. A great first step. (Washington DC, incidentally, would likely be quickly overrun by criminals and disappear entirely.) And before long, crazy federal gun laws would be a thing of the past, which would give us a LOT of choice on where to move to ensure the best gun rights. And the states could easily form a new union, if they so desired. My only fear would be that Washington would join Canada. Ugh. But yeah... I'm actually liking this. What I see is a bunch of guys who just wanting their independence. Who are we to deny it of them? Let them become a state with a say in congress. What could the harm be? Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2009 11:18 pm by grishnav |
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wrightme Regular Member 
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You may need to compile it state-by-state. Maybe someone in each state (State Researcher for instance) could provide this for you. Nevada Hunting Regs Part of this refers to 503.150 which does not disallow any specific shotgun action type, except for any firearm that is "capable of firing more than one round with one continuous pull of the trigger" or larger than 10ga. Hunting Handbook Section 3 on page 4 (18).... Shotgun (only legal for deer and mountain lion): 10, 12, 16, or 20 gauge. Shotgun barrels may be smooth or rifled for either species. For Deer: Only rifled slugs or shotgun rounds with sabots that contain a single expanding projectile may be used for deer. Page 6 (20) lists no restriction to Pump Actions Page 12 (26) provides shotgun magazine capacities 8. Unplugged Shotgun (Waterfowl and Dove Hunters) Waterfowl and dove hunters may not use shotguns capable of holding more than three shells. Shotguns must be plugged and rendered incapable of holding more than three shells. Shotguns must also be plugged in all wildlife management areas regardless of species. This is a misdemeanor offense. On a related note, I had the opportunity to listen to, and speak to Sen Ensign on the 15th. He is a solid 2nd Amendment Senator, and his assessment of the current legislative session is that the ruling party KNOWS that further firearm regulation would be a VERY unpopular choice, and is not supported by numbers at this time. Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 05:16 pm by wrightme |
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suntzu Regular Member 
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Ok, so the Communistic Republic of D.C wants a vote in the Congress, wants the rights of the states but at the same time wants to DENY the right of the people who live there to possess and carry arms? I say keep D.C out, they don't deserve state hood or any vote or representation in Congress as long as they are unwilling to deny the rights of the states to its' citizens who unfortunately live in that horrible place. |
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jgregel Regular Member 
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http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Default.aspx?tabid=20829 Legal in Ohio as long as it only holds a max of 3 shells White-tailed Deer Shotgun – 10 gauge or smaller using one ball or one rifled slug per barrel (rifled shotgun barrels are permitted when using shotgun slug ammunition) – the shotgun cannot be capable of holding more than 3 shells, unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler which limits the capacity of the gun to 3 shells. The filler must be such that it cannot be removed without disassembling the gun. Wild Turkey Shotgun - including muzzleloading shotguns, using shot Mourning Dove Shotgun 10 gauge or smaller; cannot hold more than 3 shells, unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler which limits the capacity of the gun to 3 shells. The filler must be such that it cannot be removed without disassembling the gun. May be taken with lead shot. Waterfowl/Migratory Game Birds Shotgun 10 gauge or smaller; cannot hold more than 3 shells, unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler which limits the capacity of the gun to 3 shells. The filler must be such that it cannot be removed without disassembling the gun. Only nontoxic shot may be used to take waterfowl, rails, snipe, and gallinules. John |
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dmward78 Regular Member
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I just sent this to Councilman Kwame Brown I hope he understands ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Councilman Brown, Let me first state that I do not live in DC, but in Virginia. I do work in DC and appreciate everything the District is doing to make the city better. I spend more time in DC than Virginia truth be told. I just can't afford to live here. I also am in full support of DC Statehood. I think that DC residents should enjoy all of the freedoms and abilities that the US Constitution affords me. I think that you would agree with that statement. I also have to say that I am a strong supporter of a persons ability to defend themsleves and their loved ones against violent attacks. I just finished watching the Statehood committee meeting from April 7th 2009. The meeting in which you and Mike Stollenwerk from opencarry.org discussed the issue of gun rights in the district. I am unsettled by a statement that you made. This is in response to the opinion of Sen. John Ensign from Nevada and the fact that his home county requires a 72 hour waiting period. "...in the District of Columbia at one of the most stressful times of this nation, where everyday we trun on the television and people are committing all types of crimes and killings, that the residents of the District of Columbia should have no waiting period, they should be able to get a gun right away." The fact that would made this statement and are opposed to the citizens of the District of Columbia having no waiting period leads to one of two conclusions; 1) You don't think that the citizens of DC have a right to protect themselves or their family's. The most pressing reason to have no waiting period and be able to defend yourself immediately is because... "everyday we turn on the television and people are committing all types of crimes and killings" or 2) You believe that the citizens of the District of Columbia are the people who you see...."committing all types of crimes and killings" I truly hope that you believe that the citizens of the District of Columbia should have the basic god given right to defend their own and their loved ones life from a violent attack. I would urge you to reconsider your stance on gun control and carrying for self defense. You should look to cities that do not have restricting gun laws and see that they have much lower violent crimes rates than DC. It is truly a poverty that our nations capitol should bear the title of "Murder Capital of the Country" It is a shame that diplomats from other countries and all of the visitors to this wonderful place should fear for their lives since only the criminals (people who disregard laws) will have guns and the law abiding citizens (those whose hand guns are registered) will have no way to protect themselves. It is a simple logical fact that a criminal uses a gun because he wants as little resistance from a victim as possible. It is also a basic fact that a criminal will be less likely to attack someone that is armed and willing to defend themselves, as there are easier targets that wont be armed. Again I known that would would defend you loved ones by any means necessary, please don't deny the Citizens the same rights. |
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