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| OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > Pennsylvania > police called on me at butlers pa's OLD COUNTY BUFFET
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spencer280 Regular Member 
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well i was there seating at the table with my 3 children and wife when behind me a butler police office asked me to step out side. so we went to the corner of the restaurant and i gave him my permit and drivers license. he ran my drivers license and then asked if he could have my weapon to see if it was stolen . and he ran my guns serial number and of course everything was good. the officer gave my weapon back to my and asked me why i open carry. i told him i prefer it that way and it also promotes that pa is a open carry state. he then asked me if i carry the weapon loaded in the car and i said yes. he said his chief said that was illegal i told him no that as long as i have a LTCF permit. it is legal and i told him i have proof. and i did i had a flier from this sight, i asked the officer if he would want one and he said yes i do. this office was great and very professional and polite. we shook hands and parted. |
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Prophet Regular Member 
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Would I go outside to talk to the cop? Maybe...if I didn't want to make a scene. Would I have shown him my permit in order to speed things along so I can go back to dinner quickly? Perhaps. Would I give him my gun so he can check to see if it was stolen? ABSOLUTELY NOT. First of all he has no reasonable suspicion that it would be stolen and secondly, there is no gun registration in the commonwealth and as such how could he POSSIBLY, legally and non-hypocritically check to see if it was stolen lest someone reported it stolen. This reminds me of the situation in the eastern part of PA with a Old Country buffet when they would give back a gun because it wasn't in the illegally registry. I can appreciate you wanting to get back to your family and finish your meal and that this officer was getting some bogus information but if I didn't before I definitely would have drawn the line at giving him my weapon. |
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Aran Banned
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Sell your guns. |
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Ohio Patriot Regular Member
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When I OC, I do not carry any ID on me... no DL, no CHL, nothing. (Unless I'm in a vehicle, of course.) I would also never voluntarily hand over my gun. If the LEO asks for my gun, I will vocally object. If he orders me to hand over my gun, I will tell him to remove the gun from the holster himself. Don't get me wrong... it's great you OC. But don't be a doormat. |
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jahwarrior72 Regular Member 
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well i was there seating at the table with my 3 children and wife when behind me a butler police office asked me to step out side. mistake #1: don't go anywhere with a LEO unless you're being detained or arrested. so we went to the corner of the restaurant and i gave him my permit and drivers license. mistake #2: you had no reason to give him anything, especially where no one could see. he ran my drivers license and then asked if he could have my weapon to see if it was stolen . and he ran my guns serial number and of course everything was good. mistake #3: never give a LEO your weapon. if they want it, they can take it themselves.
the officer was not great, nor was he professional or polite. don't let a smile and a handshake fool you, he was looking for a way to arrest you, or at least confiscate your gun. file a report immediately, and don't ever talk to the police again. |
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spencer280 Regular Member
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no the police officer took the gun off my side himself i never touched it |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member 
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spencer280 wrote: no the police officer took the gun off my side himself i never touched itSo, you are ignoring, certainly not responding to, every caution that you were just given? JAH, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think. |
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Aran Banned
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This one is a detriment to la causa. |
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spencer280 Regular Member
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look i know i don't have to give the police anything i could have been a prick and not give him my id permit or gun. but whats that going to do. i wanted to get back to my family. i have a very clean record and i an not afraid of any leo my record has to be clean to be a corrections officer. but the office asked and i gave. the whole thing took about 5 minutes. he was polite and apoligized to me for the inconverouse but he said he had to sence it was called in. every one on this sight will say to me i was wrong for what i did but in my eyes at that point of time i handled it in the right way for me. and it only took 5 minutes of my time. and the leo took one of are fliers and said he my even join are sight. |
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Aran Banned
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Jesus Christ. Just stop. There is nothing you say that doesn't make you sound like an idiot in some way. |
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Farmer Troy Regular Member 
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These officers (and their Chief) obviously need a training memo . . . Hope to see you all at the Tea Party today . . . http://www.pennsylvaniateaparty.com |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Aran wrote: Jesus Christ. Typing while sitting at a mirror again, I see... |
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Aran Banned
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Watching every post I make closely to see if I say something you can scurry in to try and burn me on, I see. Creepy stalker. |
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YllwFvr Regular Member 
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Doug Huffman wrote: spencer280 wrote:no the police officer took the gun off my side himself i never touched itSo, you are ignoring, certainly not responding to, every caution that you were just given? JAH, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think. Spencer if he took the gun off you himself thats a direct violation of a few of your civil rights. At the least you need to send a letter about the misconduct of the officer to his station. There is NO excuse at all for what he did, friendly attitude or not. Being friendly cost him nothing as he stripped you of those rights. Please do send a letter or file a complaint, because treating you like that was uncalled for and very unprofessional. Nothing wrong with complying up to a point. When they attempted to walk all over my rights or violated the law I would politely refuse any further interaction. "Officer am I being detained? Arrested? Thank you I will finish my meal now." And walk away. |
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shefearsnothing Regular Member
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spencer, just ignore Aran. He has nothing productive to add to anything here....EVER. As far as your encounter: There are some who would have handled it differently and I think that's all anyone is pointing out to you. When you post a story whether you did it your way or just the way someone responding here would have done it, someone is bound to reply and say they would have done things differently. This is how we learn. We read the replies and sometimes we walk away with information we didn't have beforehand: ie what we could have done differently, what we still feel we did right, what we will do differently next time. Everyone has different comfort levels. Some of us are more apt to stand up to an officer whether it makes a scene or not and our spouses and families know it. Some of us are a more passive type of person and our spouses and families have come to expect that about us. The same can not be said about others on the internet. You handled it the way you felt was appropriate and at a level that was comfortable for you and your family at the time and place and that is what matters. Kudos to you for having a flyer and passing one on to the officer. As for me, I would have handled it differently (much to my husband's dismay) but I suspect we (you and I) have different personalities. Nothing wrong with that. Like I said, at the end of the day you helped educate someone. Had you met him with resistance he may not have been open to that at all so at the end of the day you helped the cause. CARRY ON! JONES FOR JANITOR!!  Last edited on Sun Apr 12th, 2009 01:13 pm by shefearsnothing |
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YllwFvr Regular Member
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shefearsnothing wrote:
lol, some of us not including yourself! You handled it the way you felt was appropriate and at a level that was comfortable for you and your family at the time and place and that is what matters. Kudos to you for having a flyer and passing one on to the officer. +1 to OP |
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Aran Banned
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shefearsnothing wrote: spencer, just ignore Aran. He has nothing productive to add to anything here....EVER. Meleanie here would know. She has nothing better to do than read every post by every male and imagine they were paying attention to her, as her husband is tired of her @#$%. |
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YllwFvr Regular Member
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Aran wrote: shefearsnothing wrote:spencer, just ignore Aran. He has nothing productive to add to anything here....EVER. Whats the demographic on OCDO? 99% male? cmon.... |
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Aran Banned
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You gtfo with your logic.  |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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shefearsnothing wrote: spencer, just ignore Aran. He has nothing productive to add to anything here....EVER. +1 There often is more than one "right way" to handle a situation. IMO - the OP did what worked for him at that time. Other's opinions are good as they may redirect future responses to similar incidents. I find it funny(as in ha-ha) that this occurred in an Old Country Buffet considering some of the past events at OCB. Answering the LEO's unasked question as to what would you expect me to do with a MWAG call - observe, seeing nothing illegal, leave. There is no need to shake down the citizen and violate his rights in the process. Yata hey |
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spencer280 Regular Member
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i'm going to go back to the old county buffet tomorrow so i will let you all know what happened if anything.. and i want to thank every ones opinion on this matter and i know more on how to handle things in the futue.. just a thought but i think we should set up a oc dinner at old country buffet in butler what do you all think say the 2nd of this month coming up. |
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YllwFvr Regular Member
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spencer280 wrote: i'm going to go back to the old county buffet tomorrow so i will let you all know what happened if anything.. and i want to thank every ones opinion on this matter and i know more on how to handle things in the futue.. Best of luck Spence, on both trips! Hope to hear about a nice regular meal  |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Aran wrote: shefearsnothing wrote:spencer, just ignore Aran. He has nothing productive to add to anything here....EVER. It must be sad to have nothing to offer the world save misogyny. |
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Aran Banned
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Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Aran wrote: Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. And speaking rudely to other posters demonstrates who and what you are better than I could ever do it. Yata hey |
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Aran Banned
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Grapeshot wrote: Aran wrote:Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. Ah yes, responding in kind shows that I'm.. uh. someone who responds in kind? Piss off, Grapenuts. |
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PT111 Regular Member 
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Aran wrote: shefearsnothing wrote:spencer, just ignore Aran. He has nothing productive to add to anything here....EVER. Don't know about her husband but there is a sheriff that is tired or her.  |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Aran wrote: Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. ONLY obsessing over and stalking women does. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Aran wrote: Grapeshot wrote:Aran wrote:Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. Keep it up. Maybe someday you'll convince even yourself. Of course you're free to try to MAKE him or me "piss off", but I'm betting you'd only be willing to try that with a woman. |
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Aran Banned
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Deanimator wrote: Aran wrote:Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. Please, how am I stalking anyone? |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Aran wrote: Deanimator wrote:Aran wrote:Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. See, clearly you're not even convincing yourself. |
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Aran Banned
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Deanimator wrote: Aran wrote:Deanimator wrote:Aran wrote:Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. I asked you a question, @#$%head. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Aran wrote: Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. Doubt very seriously that you will take this message in the spirit in which it is offered. Showing dislike publicly rather than privately for any member repeatedly, violates the trust that we place in each other and as such is not a little offensive to most. Regular use of insults and less than good choice of words leaves much to be desired in the image that OCDO wishes to foster. I have read numerous postings/responses from you that were good and on thread. IMO - it is shame that they are not all so. We are known here by what we say and how we say it. We all contribute not only to the public persona of OCDO but our own image as well. It is your choice. Yata hey |
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Aran Banned
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Pulling punches is for.... women. (Teehee. Just for you Deanimator.) |
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Jonesy Regular Member
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Aran wrote: Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. You sure seem like a diagreeable sort. |
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Aran Banned
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Jonesy wrote: Aran wrote:Disliking one specific woman does not equal misogyny, you moron. I'm a huge @#$%. But that doesn't make me a misogynist. |
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XD40coyote Regular Member 
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Ummmmm Aran, could you shut up? I mean thanks for showing up at huntPA when those "fudds" were bashing OC, but enough with the crap going on here. It's like you are begging to be banned. |
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Aran Banned
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Pthhhhhbbbbbthhhhhhhhhh |
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SFCAdamsYG Regular Member 
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Spencer, I think you did great. I agree with you. You know you didnt have to, but since when is doing what YOU feel is correct being a door mat. And to everyone bashing him. Welcome to America where you have a right to be nice, or to be a prick. Some just make better choices than others. And that choice is for each individual to make. How are you any better than the anti's if you're going to force your ideas down everyones throats? You're not  ~SFC Adams |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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SFCAdamsYG wrote: Spencer, I think you did great. I agree with you. You know you didnt have to, but since when is doing what YOU feel is correct being a door mat. And to everyone bashing him. Welcome to America where you have a right to be nice, or to be a prick. Some just make better choices than others. And that choice is for each individual to make. How are you any better than the anti's if you're going to force your ideas down everyones throats? You're not Refusing to have your rights violated isn't "forcing your ideas down everyones throats". It's not letting them force THEIR ideas down YOUR throat. A lot of people don't think you should OWN a gun, nevermind carry one, nevermind openly. Are you going to drop your guns off at the police station so that you can be the "better man"? |
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SFCAdamsYG Regular Member
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Deanimator, what I'm referring to is the chastisement that Spencer is getting. You all doing what you think is right is great! But whats right for one person may not be right for the next. I think it's everyones responsibility to decide for themselves. |
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Ganghater Regular Member
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Aran wrote: Jesus Christ. Ya mean like you? Can someone get ride of Aran? His profile lists him (or her?) as a student... Shouldn't Aran spend more time in the books? I didn't know that one had to study for the village idiot position. Aran, there's a job for you in DC. Last edited on Wed May 6th, 2009 09:27 pm by Ganghater |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Ganghater wrote: Aran wrote:Jesus Christ. Always best to refrain from joining in the insult contest - even when you are callin' 'em as you see 'em. In case you had not noticed, Aran has joined the ranks of the recently retired - he accomplished that through his own follies - RIP. Should he ever find a new path to OCDO, I sincerely hope that he will contribute in a more positive manner than his late persona did. Yata hey |
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Springfield45 Regular Member 
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+1 Grapeshot... ~~Springfield |
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thorsmitersaw Regular Member 
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yes... the officer was very polite about assuming guilt and disrupting your life and being paid through theft to do it... |
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