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VLR4 Regular Member 
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I'm heading to Texas from Washington State and I cant seem to find the map that say's if Texas recognizes Washington's CHL or not. What is the recommedations so far as CC or OC for a out of state visitor. I have fam down there that I will be visiting this summer. Also if anyone can help me out with the (what to do) for Airport firearms check in. Thanks for any info. VLR4 |
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CrossFire Founder's Club Member 
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You can CC in Texas with a Washington CHL but OC is still a definite no-no in Texas. VLR4 wrote: I'm heading to Texas from Washington State and I cant seem to find the map that say's if Texas recognizes Washington's CHL or not. What is the recommedations so far as CC or OC for a out of state visitor. I have fam down there that I will be visiting this summer. Also if anyone can help me out with the (what to do) for Airport firearms check in. Thanks for any info. Last edited on Tue Apr 14th, 2009 07:50 pm by CrossFire |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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Thank you |
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EMSIG Regular Member
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I came down here to Houston, I love Texas other than two things. 1) I cant open carry anymore! 2) I cant get my script that is signed by my Indiana doctor filled here.  Other than that I love Texas. I will be supporting the OPEN CARRY movement in Houston! |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran 
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Your WA permit is good to go here in TX. The proclamation for it came in '05 and is on the TX AG site in pdf. As for declaring at the airport, check the airline's site for detailed requirements. When you check in, tell the clerk that you are checking a firearm and she'll direct you to the TSA scanner and/or inspection counter. They will look in there and then give you an orange tag that is suppose to go inside the case before it gets locked. The TSA guy will take the case from you and check it there. You'll want a hard side lockable case. Gun unloaded, mags can be in the case with the gun. Keep all ammo separate. I put mine in my regular luggage. |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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Do you think this will work? Gun Vault  |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran
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I think so. We travel with the briefcase type of gun case. P3s or Prowlers? Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 12:14 am by Shorts |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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Thanks again for all the info. Now if I can find a open flight. |
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Notso Activist Member
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I wouldn't use the Gun Vault to transport a firearm. The gun is loose in there and will flop around. Get a lockable(padlock) hard sided case that will hold your firearm securely with the foam interior. Check with your airline for details. |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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Another question. I know CC means CC but what about printing, is it going to be a problem. It's hot in Texas and I want to wear a button up shirt over a shirt while I'm there. Some way or another it's not hard to know that I'am carring. OC is legal in Washington so I dont care if I' am wearing what I stated above and I'am printing, just want to know more facts before I head down there. Thanks for any info. Last edited on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 06:08 pm by VLR4 |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran
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A button up over a t-shirt works well down here. It is how my husband carries (IWB) and I normally go with just a single shirt over an IWB. The law on printing is that it has to be an "intentional failure to conceal". Most certainly don't tempt by wearing a skin tight shirt. Use discretion. |
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CrossFire Founder's Club Member
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Shorts, that is the way I CC most of the time but we are talking about a .380 or 9mm most of the time. Also, I would not rely on the "intentional" part not with our sometimes overzealous LEO and DA's. VLR4 you never mentioned what you would be carrying while you are here. Shorts wrote: A button up over a t-shirt works well down here. It is how my husband carries (IWB) and I normally go with just a single shirt over an IWB. |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran
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I am carrying a Commander .45  |
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CrossFire Founder's Club Member
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Would love to see pic's of how you manage that. I sure have not figured it out or maybe I am just to cautious. |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran
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Hijack inbound! It took a bit for me to get use to. Knowing it was there and easily identifiable if a familiar eye looked. I've run around for 2mths now wearing the same 7 shirts out of my suitcase. Some button ups, some Tshirts. I have to be careful how I move and I make certain my side isn't exposed when we sit at a restaurant. I don't lean forward to make the grip poke out. There are times I'm certain I can be made. I believe I was not because people just don't jump to the result. |
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CrossFire Founder's Club Member
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No hijack, last reply on the subject. Those are the same problems I was aware of trying to IWB my XD45 4" service model. When I tried OWB I had to have a very oversized button or sweat shirt or printing did come into play. Thats why I went to IWB with smaller handguns. |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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CrossFire wrote: Shorts, that is the way I CC most of the time but we are talking about a .380 or 9mm most of the time. Also, I would not rely on the "intentional" part not with our sometimes overzealous LEO and DA's. Sorry about that. I'll be carring a XDm 9 with a Blade tech OWB holster. What Shorts was discribing about how she was worried about how she sat and moved is something I'am glad I dont have to worry about here in WA. I had called the chief of police there in Kingsville before posting this thread and he just contacted me answering my questions. The not so funny thing was he had to look it up instead of knowing that my CHL is noticed there. That raised the question I had to ask him, DOES YOUR LEO'S THERE UNDERSTAND THAT TEXAS RECOGINIZES WA"S CHL and he said yes but he had to look it up his self. So that tell's me no and I hope he updated them on the subject. |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran
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Go ahead and keep a printed copy of the Proclamation on you/glove box. Also remember, just like OC, if there is an MWAG call or you are approached by a property owner and asked to leave because you are made then you comply and leave. There is no harm, no foul. The LEOs here are friendly so unless you sour the interaction with an attitude, you shouldn't have trouble.  Last edited on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 11:10 pm by Shorts |
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Adahma Regular Member
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If you plan to transport a firearm when you travel by plane call the air port first. Some airports require that you meet outside of the premises. Depending on where you are flying from, you may be in a heap of trouble if you walk into the parameter with a firearm. This is what I was told when I took my conceal handgun license course. Better safe than sorry. Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2009 05:05 am by Adahma |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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^ You bring up a great point. As I know WA's airport allows me to go to the check in counter but as for TX if I read right in the laws I cant walk in to the check in. I still have to read in to it more as I only had time to read alittle. Of course the weapon will be in a lock box but I have to get more facts. |
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Shorts Lone Star Veteran
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In Texas you can walk in and check your firearms. Have your things packed properly in it's lock box/case. One cannot go to a secured area behind the xrays, metal detectors etc. Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a): [snip] (5) in or into a secured area of an airport; or [snip] (c) In this section: [snip] (2) "Secured area" means an area of an airport terminal building to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law. Last edited on Fri Apr 17th, 2009 02:07 pm by Shorts |
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nonameisgood Regular Member 
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I've never had a problem with Southwest Airlines. Padlocked Pelican case, either by itself or inside luggage. Pack ammo in the original box, in the same case. If you have loaded mags, the primer must be fully covered, some TSA guys will let you insert cardboard over the primer, some won't. I have found it best to just keep a new box in the case just for flying. Check your luggage with an agent at the counter (not at curb or self-check) and open your luggage and case. Tell them that there is a firearm in your luggage. They will look and say, "OK", then hand you the card to fill out. Fill it out, sign the back, and put it inside the gun case. Some want to see the empty chamber, but not usually. Some airports (Ft Lauderdale) want you to use the touchscreen check-in, but most (DAL) don't. Lock the case and close the luggage, if applicable. You will probably be prompted to carry it to the TSA counter, or wait in a particular place until the TSA clears it... they may want to look at it, so hang around with the key. Some airports forget to tell you when it has cleared TSA, so ask where and how long to wait. Remember that TSA cannot tell if there is a gun in a particular bag until it xrays it, so they may not even notice that they need to tell you it has cleared the scanner. I do try to keep a spare, keyed-alike lock in the case, in case they have to cut it off in my absence, it can be relocked and put on the plane. Once you fly with it a few times, you'll wonder why you haven't before. Also, make sure you and the airline never identify the luggage on the outside as containing a firearm... TSA prohibits this, but I have heard of it happening. |
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SANDCREEK Regular Member 
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Just don't allow yourself to be drawn into a paranoia that every LEO, and other Texas resident is "scanning" you for possible "printing". I think there's alot of excess concern over the "concealed" definition in Texas just because of the manner in which the laws "allow for" carry of a handgun LICENSED CONCEALED ONLY. Much of this stems from the "textbook" instruction approach in CHL classrooms. Just understand where the CHL instructors are coming from. They wisely want to cover themselves by stressing "don't print" . There are alot of reasons that a "bulge" may be observable under a shirt. Life-saving medical equipment for one, cell phones, etc, etc. Concealed means COVERED - period. Remember this - Texas is a very gun friendly "country". You are less likely to provoke shock, hysteria, or panic at the inadvertant glimpse of a holstered handgun in Texas than you are in certain situations in Colorado -for example. I've had a Texas CHL since 1995 and routinely have worn my weapons in Texas for years holstered at 3:00 o'clock under an open jacket, or sport coat, or untucked golf shirt. When it's "windy" - I zip or button up. If I am in an uncomfortable location in the presence of "iffy" individuals - I may allow the Texas "wind" to have its way and grant a glimpse of Mr. Glock to a couple of hoodie looking dudes as I proceed in a "direct route to my vehicle" . . . or pump gas at the Stop 'n Rob - both of which I have done on more than one occassion. I moved to Colorado in 2006 where inadvertant exposure is no legal liability. I visit Texas (DFW) regularly at least 2-3 times a year and the only thing I do differently there is I don't OC. The laws need fixin' in Texas , but the folks are not near as skittish about handguns as many are in the "open carry states". Bottom line is this - PERCEPTION is 95% of reality. If you present yourself in public like a clean-cut , lawful person and behave respectfully within the law- you won't have any problem in Texas with "printing", or inadvertant momentary "failure to conceal". Situational awareness and common sense should always attend. Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 06:48 pm by SANDCREEK |
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Gator5713 Lone Star Veteran
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Furthermore, Kingsville is a very friendly place, small town... Just make sure you are aware of where the school is (TAMU) and don't try to go on the King Ranch carrying.... A friend of mine teaches a CHL class there at the Iron Goat Range (he now lives in Uvalde though, so he is likely not going to be there, but) they should be really friendly if you need a place to de-stress while you are there! When on PRIVATE property here in the Republic you are basically under the law of the land owner and thus OC is acceptable if you have the permission of said land owner! Enjoy your visit! If you make it up this way, give me a shout! |
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VLR4 Regular Member
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Thanks to everyone for the info. I had no problem from TSA or when I was down there. Had a blast but it was a little hot for my taste. O if you got rain where you are on Saturday, your welcome. I thought I would bring some rain from Washington. |
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nonameisgood Regular Member
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No rain here, you missed a spot. Glad all went well. (On a related note, It was a good thing I didn't carry on my trip to Colorado last week... was late enough to the airport after a long drive that I had to ditch the shampoo and contact solution and carry my bag on. The line at the ticket counter was maybe 75 people, and maybe 200 in line for TSA - and that was on Thursday before the holiday.) |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Gator5713 wrote: When on PRIVATE property here in the Republic you are basically under the law of the land owner and thus OC is acceptable if you have the permission of said land owner! While that sounds nice, it's unfortunately not true. There is no exception in the law that allows OC with the landowner's permission. |
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Adahma Regular Member
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OC is acceptable on private property at the owners discretion. Why then do we have gun shops in Texas where all the employees open carry? |
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nonameisgood Regular Member
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Which brings up another gap in Texas law: Can a non-CHL passenger in a vehicle be carrying a concealed handgun? Not according to the law... probably implying that the person who owns or is in control of the vehicle (according to the word of the law) are the only two who could be carrying the weapon. There are exceptions to carry rules for hunting and sporting use, but not for employees who are not primarily charged with security (if you are, then there are additional rules.) Obviously, open carry is the answer, but when we have too many inattentive legislators that think "wild west" at the very mention, those hopes are dashed for one more session. We need to work on that now. |
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Adahma wrote: OC is acceptable on private property at the owners discretion. Why then do we have gun shops in Texas where all the employees open carry? You are both correct. The ownership provision is narrow: Penal Code 46.02(a)(1) "on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or ..." As for gun shops, those premises are under the "control" of the open carriers. It might be a stretch to say that, for example, you property was under the "control" of your 20 friends, but it also might work. Odds are, some rural deputy isn't going to want any trouble from an armed bunch that well outnumbers him (and in some cases, his whole department). On your rural property, the way you might could allow others to open carry is this way: set up a target range. You probably already did if everyone is packing.  Lawful sporting activity, like target shooting, is also an exemption to 46.02:Penal Code 46.15(b)(4) (Section 1 & 2) "is engaging in lawful hunting, fishing, or other sporting activity on the immediate premises where the activity is conducted, or is en route between the premises and the actor's residence or motor vehicle, if the weapon is a type commonly used in the activity;" SA-TX |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Adahma wrote: OC is acceptable on private property at the owners discretion. Again, that is not the law. Gun shop employees might be covered by being "in control of" the property, but that's stretching it. The reality is that none of them have been charged with UCW, because it would be laughed out of court. Here's how the law works: in Texas, it's illegal to have a handgun on or about your person. Period, stop, end of discussion. Let that sink in for a while: it is illegal to have a handgun on or about your person in Texas. Then, the law lists some exemptions, but unless you meet one of those specific exemptions, it is still illegal to have a handgun on or about your person in Texas. The exemptions include: traveling; while on property you own or control; while engaged in sporting activity involving the handgun; being a peace officer or licensed security guard; having a CHL (as long as the gun is concealed); and, being in a motor vehicle you own or control. Case law protects someone who has just purchased a handgun, or who is taking it to or from a repair shop. There is no exemption, either in statutory or case law, based on "with the owner's permission". Last edited on Wed May 27th, 2009 07:47 pm by KBCraig |
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nonameisgood Regular Member
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Which begs the question: How did we get to this and how can we get a change made? We have a bit less than 2 years until next session, and we best get moving. I have business which will have me lobbying with state lawmakers, so I might be able to touch on this whilst doing so, but I think my employer would frown on any connection between this and the day job. The problem we have is that people outside Texas think this is the Wild West, people inside Texas think we are special, and politicians are trying to not do anything which would make them unpalatable to a wider voter base. When the reaction to OC legislation is along the lines of "OMG, WTF, we are NOT going back to the lawless wild west." But I guess I'm preaching to the choir. And this issue is one way to promote OC to a wider audience. |
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