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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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I open carried while grocery shopping at the Pick n Save HWY 100 and Cleveland in West Allis from 5:15 pm til 5:45 today (friday) The store was relatively busy. Many people saw the firearm. No one made a comment, no one ran for the doors, there was no disturbance, "nothing happened" as expected. |
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Nutczak Regular Member 
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WOW! O-C in West Allis on a Friday evening, near Hwy 100, Do you make a clunking noise from your shorts when you walk? And do those brass balls get cold in the winter? remembering the W-A police chiefs comments about arresting anyone carrying after Brads charges got dismissed, You are a braver man than I am! I could not afford loss of a firearm or a defense attorney right now, (I actually would qualify for a public defender right now) So that is why I am a little shy about a bold move like that. Congrats! |
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1FASTC4 Regular Member
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I really feel bad for you guys. OC down here in AZ is just part of the landscape. I am moving to the Northwoods in a couple of years. I hope a less liberal govt is in place there before I arrive. I have a house on White Sand Lake up there. I plan on OC'ing in the Minocqua Woodruff area this summer. If I get stopped, I wonder how they'll take to an AZ resident with a gun. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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remembering the W-A police chiefs comments about arresting anyone carrying after Brads charges got dismissed Yup. I thought about them as I clicked my 38 Special into its retention holster in the parking lot. Speaking in general (this isn't directed at you Nutzcak) I refuse to be ruled by fear. Police chiefs don't make law. They are not elected. If we are going to let a police chief run his mouth and scare us into compliance with HIS wishes, we have NO rights. We only have behaviors that the king allows us to have at this given moment. I disagree. We knew what our rights were. Judges acknowledged that TWICE without any direction from the attorney general. THEN we GOT direction from the attorney general. And we have further reason to believe in our rights. If we are going to let ourselves be intimidated by rogue police chiefs who know they can throw a couple anti-rights soundbytes over the airwaves and command compliance, then we don't need this forum and we don't need legislators, we don't need courts, and we don't need constitutions. If we are going to wait to Open Carry until the police chief of every respective jurisdiction in Wisconsin sends us a christmas card with their blessing to OC at will, we will be waiting a long time. Freedom need not wait. Rights need not permission from police chiefs. Why we are writing letters to police chiefs is BEYOND me. the opportunity to secure our rights is right in front of our faces. We could blame many people before us for the inablity to exercise our rights up until now. But if we choose not to exercise our rights now, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Last edited on Sat May 2nd, 2009 01:25 pm by hugh jarmis |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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Hugh, I agree with you fully. I am scared to O-C in some places becuase of the threats by the chiefs and past experiences in both the city you live in, West Allis, and the other small communities in thsat area with their officers that are well known for the abusive procedures the seem to love to use. I have always questioned and challenged authority, it is just my nature. And I have usually came out victorious in court from the incidents I was accused of. I just cannot afford an incarceration or physical confrontation by police right now. Especially after being away from that area for 24 years, I am sure any contacts I did have are all retired by now. I have some stories about the NBPD that would raise an eyebrow or two, and I have dealt with WAPD on several occasions back when Hwy-100 was my weekend hangout area. I graduated from NB Eisenhower in 83 |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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In a small way I'm almost hoping to get stopped by the police one of these days just to be able to demonstrate (for myself and others) what happens when people OC (post van hollen memo) and do get stopped. But I have to be honest. Having OC'd for long periods of time now in many stores/places and knowing all other others doing the same. I think the public is well aware its legal now and I just don't think people are even going to calling the cops. Thats why I think every time we open carry, we are normalizing dozens, perhaps hundreds of people to seeing a firearm. Just yesterday alone, had to be 30 people saw the firearm. Hope they went home and said to their family members "hey, saw someone with a gun in the store today... nothing happend" On any given day hundreds of people being "educated by experience". I think this will help not ONLY Open Carry, but gun rights in general. When people see that guns don't fall out of holsters "just go off" and killing little babies in strollers, minds get changed. Ignorance gets obliterated. When people see that accessible firearms don't lead to shootouts at the corner or gun battles in the aisle of stores, we win. Last edited on Sat May 2nd, 2009 07:02 pm by hugh jarmis |
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smithman Regular Member
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hugh jarmis wrote: In a small way I'm almost hoping to get stopped by the police one of these days just to be able to demonstrate (for myself and others) what happens when people OC (post van hollen memo) and do get stopped. Agreed. Due to the large amount of media coverage, most of the public is aware of OC even though they may not personally agree with it. I think awareness leads to acceptance the more that the public sees us OC. It is time to leave the timidness at the door and begin regular OC. Hugh and I have been OCing for two weeks straight in Waukesha and Milwaukee counties and have not had any problems whatsoever. There are many other people who are taking up the cause of OF who do not contribute to this website specifically, I know several of them. The risk of people calling the cops will always be there, however is much much lesss than before the media blitz two weeks ago. Probably 1/2 of the people who will recognize that you are OCing, own guns themselves and won't care. Of the other half, they will observe your behavior and see what they can make of you. Of that maybe 5% would consider calling the cops but they will probably have someone else with them who will convince them out of it. For instance, holding your wife's hand while walking into a store is a simple way to look normal to the public while carrying. OCed at a Subway in Tosa recently. Everybody in there noticed I was packing but there were no people screaming for help or calling the cops. Hugh I think your quote of "People who carry openly are showing that they have nothing to hide" on the news is a good one which clearly shows our mindset to the public, that they have nothing to fear. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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smithman wrote: Due to the large amount of media coverage, most of the public is aware of OC even though they may not personally agree with it. I think awareness leads to acceptance the more that the public sees us OC. Actually my bet is we are just scratching the surface of the population in terms of educating them that OC is legal - that's why we need to run radio ads which will get us additional press coverage to reach all of Wisconsin. John needs to update the LoriMeter as to contributions tonight and that shold show us well north of $500 but we need at least $1,400 to run an effective blast acorss multiple radio staions in greater Milwaukee - so please give today at least $10 - $25 - and if you can spare it, a C-Note or more would be awsome. Giove now in a few seconds by credit card at http://www.opencarry.org/carryland.html |
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Shotgun Founder's Club Member 
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It's kind of funny, but the big backlash to the AG's memo by the anti-gunners may have done far more to publicize and promote open carry in Wisconsin than if they had just swallowed and kept their mouths shut. The memo could easily have gone with little mention in the press had there not been the furor caused by people who weren't happy with it. In a perverse sort of way, we ought to thank them. hahahaha |
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smithman Regular Member
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Shotgun wrote: It's kind of funny, but the big backlash to the AG's memo by the anti-gunners may have done far more to publicize and promote open carry in Wisconsin than if they had just swallowed and kept their mouths shut. The memo could easily have gone with little mention in the press had there not been the furor caused by people who weren't happy with it. True..never considered that. Good food for thought. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Well, considering Mayor Barrett and Governor Doyle seemed to use "someone walking down Wisconsin Avenue with a gun" in their fear-tactic anti-freedom rants post-AG Van Hollen Memo. Parabellum and I decided to go for a walk down Wisconsin Ave. in Downtown Milwaukee today. I provided documentation, Parabellum OC'd (oh and he also OC'd in a Walgreens in Milwaukee and a Pick n Save in Milwaukee. I would like to publically say to Mayor Barrett and Governor Doyle that there was no disturbance. Parabellum spent about 30 minutes walking up and down a section of wisconsin avenue (couldn't go all the way to the lakefront, you clip a school zone.) Very uneventlful walk down Wisconsin ave and down the riverwalk. A good day for a stroll I have video of the entire walk, but its going to take some time to upload to youtube. In the meantime, my good friend standing along Wisconsin Ave in Downtown Milwaukee. Attached Image (viewed 1123 times): |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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OC'ed at Home Depot in West Allis today. Hwy 100 and National. Spent about 1/2 hour in the store. Dozens of people saw the weapon. No reactions, and no incident. Even spent 5 minutes or so getting help from a store employee. |
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Shotgun Founder's Club Member
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Well done, both of you! |
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Max Regular Member
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The tip of the spear. |
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jefferson 4 prez Regular Member 
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hugh jarmis wrote: "I refuse to be ruled by fear. Police chiefs don't make law. They are not elected. If we are going to let a police chief run his mouth and scare us into compliance with HIS wishes, we have NO rights. We only have behaviors that the king allows us to have at this given moment." True that. Last edited on Mon May 4th, 2009 03:15 am by jefferson 4 prez |
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gila Regular Member
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New member here. I have recently begun open carrying in West Allis. I live near 92nd & Greenfield and have been open carrying on my walks with my dogs and my wife. So far it has been a non-event. Considering this city's attitude to its rank and file citizens, it's been a pleasent surprise. |
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smithman Regular Member
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BOOYA anti's. Take that. You can't stop us anymore. We will be secure in our persons wherever it is legal. |
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BJA Campaign Veteran 
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HELL YEAH! Good job guys, dam I woulda went with ya! lol I too will hopefully report my public open carry experience in public soon!! Ben |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Gila, just be careful in your neighborhood. Watch the school zones REALLY close, you've got a number in your vacinity! Well done! |
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gila Regular Member
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Yeah, you do have to be a bit careful of school zones. I stay a few blocks away from St. Aloysius and tend to walk towards St. Fair Park staying in the more residential areas. The dogs like it better and so do I. I also do not walk through Lafollette Park if carrying. |
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skamp Campaign Veteran 
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schools zones are really killing me.. i would love to carry when i go for a walk at night.. 1 school is on the same street. and then a highschool a few blocks up.. then a lutheran school coming back! i really hope that school zone law gets repealed. i OC on my property.. but thats about it.. i was just thinking.. for those of you that arent "landlocked" do you find yourself walking more often now that you arent worried about DC charges? i was thinking.. when i can legally walk off my property carrying.. ill be walking every damn day.. to everywhere i can.. just to get people used to it.. |
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gila Regular Member
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Well, we walk the dogs every day that the weather cooperates. This hasn't really changed. It's much easier to OC now that the weather is warmer. I have been finding that nobody seems to notice that I am carrying. They notice the dogs and people will even stop and say hi to them when we walk. My dogs are friendly, well behaved, and love people so they never mind the attention. Half the time though, I feel as if I could be wearing a "man with gun" t-shirt and no pants and people wouldn't notice. Where I would then put my gun without concealing it would get a bit akward... |
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skamp Campaign Veteran
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thigh holster?  |
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gila Regular Member
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skamp wrote: thigh holster? Now that would work! Or maybe a tactical garter belt.... |
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ScottM Regular Member
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gila wrote: skamp wrote:thigh holster? Ohh fetching. |
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ccwinstructor Centurion Member
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I will not be in Wisconsin for another month, but when I get there, I will open carry. I hope to get pictures. My daughter open carried in Wisconsin when she was 18, If I remember the year correctly. I was with her at the time. |
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AaronS Regular Member 
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gila wrote: Well, we walk the dogs every day that the weather cooperates. This hasn't really changed. It's much easier to OC now that the weather is warmer. I have been finding that nobody seems to notice that I am carrying. They notice the dogs and people will even stop and say hi to them when we walk. My dogs are friendly, well behaved, and love people so they never mind the attention. Half the time though, I feel as if I could be wearing a "man with gun" t-shirt and no pants and people wouldn't notice. Where I would then put my gun without concealing it would get a bit akward... This school zone thing is a problem for me as well, because I don't know where they all are... This walking more thing should also have an effect on the crime rate in your neaghborhood as well. My little area is a real safe place, but I am still OC on my dog walks. A few people have asked now, but I just smile and tell them its all good.  |
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skamp Campaign Veteran
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Pick n save on 76th st & coldspring. was there for about half an hour.. a bunch of looks but nothing else.. Last edited on Wed May 6th, 2009 03:36 pm by skamp |
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Mike Super Moderator
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skamp wrote: Pick n save on 76th st & coldspring. Cool, but remember the idea is not to hang around someplace till somebody objects or calls the police - the idea is to discreetly and normally go about your business while open carrying in a secure holster. I'm not saying you were loitering, but I rarely go into any store for more than a few minutes - i hate shopping though. |
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gila Regular Member
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Another couple of walks and no issues. I have been thinking about this and have a couple of thoughts. If your doing something that doesn't seem odd, then the fact that you may be carrying is either not noticed or ignored by a lot of people. Walking with your spouse and dogs while discussing dinner does not usually make people nervous. Doing these types of things while carrying shows the non carrying public that we are no different then they are. The same applies for any activity that everybody does like walking, shopping, ect. We are just doing it while openly carrying. I am not carrying a large pistol nor am I carrying it in an extremely noticeable holster so that may have something to do with it. I think the best thing any of us can do is just go about normal activities carrying and act no different than if we weren't carrying. I think that a lot of the "heavy weight" has been lifted for us by a few of the higher profile cases that have happened recently. I feel as if I owe these guys a big "thank you." I think it's up to us to keep up the momentum of this issue. Open carrying in Wisconsin does have risks associated with it dealing with the "wild card" that is the local police. You may get harassed, you may not. It is an important enough issue for me to feel that it is worth it. Of course you have to be cognizant of the myriad of prohibited places and their proximity to you..... |
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Mike Super Moderator
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We need more education, and that's where the radio campaign comes in. We need to educate more folks and get them to sign the petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/wi1848oc/petition.html to repeal the school zone and car carry bans - forcing citizens to mount a Hamdan-Vegas defense in court is too costly. And that's why we need to raise funds for radio adds. Total now: Current Balance $1,300 -- But we still have $190 left in unused matching funds! Please donate today - as soon as we have used up the rest of these matching funds, we will sign a radio contract for for the greater Milwaukee County Metro market - time is of the essence! If you have even just $10 or $25, now would be the time. Give now in a few seconds at http://www.opencarry.org/carryland.html |
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skamp Campaign Veteran
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Mike wrote:
i was shopping... had to get groceries for the week |
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skamp Campaign Veteran
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gila: i think the same way.. my in-laws are very anti-gun. and i asked them why. my argument was: "as i am right now, do you feel threatened by me?" they said no. then i said if i was carrying a gun how does that make me different? i fail to see how having a gun holstered on my hip would make me more threatening. im the same person.. talking about the same stuff.. doing the same things.. why would anyone be scared of that? |
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gila Regular Member
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skamp wrote: gila: That is sorta the crux of the issue. People that aren't comfortable with firearms tend to think that all manner of bad things will happen if they are around them. It doesn't make sense, but it is an emotional issue so that isn't so surprising. Education is key! Everytime we are out and about and armed, we are ambassadors for the open carry movement. It makes our "jobs" much easier if people understand that it is legal, perfectly normal, and not a risk to public safety. Some people you just can't reach no matter how nice and "professional" you are. Those people will never be supporters and that's okay. It's all the rest we need to "speak" to. Last edited on Wed May 6th, 2009 08:02 pm by gila |
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ccwinstructor wrote: I will not be in Wisconsin for another month, but when I get there, I will open carry. I hope to get pictures. My daughter open carried in Wisconsin when she was 18, If I remember the year correctly. I was with her at the time. I thought you had to be at least 21 yrs old to possess a handgun in WI... |
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bnhcomputing Founder's Club Member
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P.I. Guy wrote: ccwinstructor wrote:I will not be in Wisconsin for another month, but when I get there, I will open carry. I hope to get pictures. My daughter open carried in Wisconsin when she was 18, If I remember the year correctly. I was with her at the time. In Wisconsin, You must be 21 to purchase. 18 to possess. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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bnhcomputing wrote: P.I. Guy wrote:ccwinstructor wrote:I will not be in Wisconsin for another month, but when I get there, I will open carry. I hope to get pictures. My daughter open carried in Wisconsin when she was 18, If I remember the year correctly. I was with her at the time. That's where private npon-sealer sales come in handy - federal law requires 18-20 year olds to buy handguns in private sales, that's the law  |
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P.I. Guy Regular Member
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bnhcomputing wrote: P.I. Guy wrote:ccwinstructor wrote:I will not be in Wisconsin for another month, but when I get there, I will open carry. I hope to get pictures. My daughter open carried in Wisconsin when she was 18, If I remember the year correctly. I was with her at the time. I stand corrected. Thanks. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Open carried at Sams club in West Allis today around 5:15 pm. Uneventful. I did get the feeling that the greeter person must have said something to the manager or on the radio when I came in because my girlfriend and I were looking at stuff down an aisle and I saw a manager with his walkie talkie and a pee-on in tow walk past the aisle we were in and look as they passed our aisle, then turn around and come walking back and look down our aisle again twice in quick succession. Not in an "alarmed" kinda way but more a curiosity/nosey kinda of way. Thats the impression I got. But were were in the store for quite a while after that and no incident. I think it was good education/normalization for them today. After that went to Pick n Save Hwy 100 and Cleveland again and did my grocery shopping. Again, totally uneventful just like last week. |
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OC'd today at Pick N Save, Advance Auto Parts & Pet Warehouse, all on South 27th Street (Greenfield & Oak Creek). No issues, no problems (although the guy at the Auto Parts store ended the transaction with "I gotta ask you something....". I figured it was related to OC, but it turned out to be unrelated). |
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eleuthera Regular Member
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Open carried into Pic and Save on Jackson in dt Miltown - no one really looked twice, security gave me a nod, couple of employees helped me when I messed up the auto-checkout. Business as usual... Although I'm starting to think that it's only this smooth for me because I look like a cop when I have a collared shirt tucked in. Next time I'll dress like a bum... |
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eleuthera Regular Member
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My assumption was correct - I open carried in jeans and a tucked-in tshirt today into pic and save, and after I paid and was walking toward the door, a security guy said "hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since pic and save is private property we're going to have a no-guns rule for everyone's safety." I said ok, smiled and said goodbye to a group of employees on the way out. I would have liked to stay and talk with the guy and thank him for his knowledge of the law and respect for my rights, but I decided to play it extra careful and just say ok to avoid any cause for appearing argumentative. Very polite, very cool dude that approached me tho. |
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eleuthera wrote: a security guy said "hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since pic and save is private property we're going to have a no-guns rule for everyone's safety." Apparently for everyone's safety but yours! |
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GOING TO???? There going to have a policy???? Sounds like crap to me. Unless I am mistaken Pick N Save doesnt OWN the property, so as for it being private property that may be the case but not THIER property. Semantics I know, but.......... |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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And I take that security guards statement as. "hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since prick n slave is private property, we're going to have a no open-carry guns rule, That way we only allow criminals to carry their stolen guns concealed under a jacket into our store to rub us and shoot any unarmed customer that tries to intervene. The store decided to hire a security guard, possibly due to it being a rough area, but will not allow law-abiding citizens the ability to exercise their rights and to protect themselves and their family while shopping there. We can scratch that business off my list to spend my money at. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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we really need an un-gun-friendly store thread. Stores that actually post signs or some kind of official documentation so we know its the stores official policy, not just a securitiy guard spouting off. This would be important because as I (and hopefully others) write letters to these stores letting them know (professionally) that they are losing out on business from law-abiding citizens, I'd like to be able to point them to a thread where they can see that their anti-gun policy is known to hundreds if not thousands and its costing them business. Remember, the constitutional amendment documenting our RTKBA was passed OVERWHELMNIGLY. Even people who would never open carry support our right to do so and anti-gun attitudes by businesses will draw the ire of more than just those who wish to open carry. Other ideas I have had. The ONLY thing that is going to matter to a business is the bottom line. If there is no financial detriment to banning guns from their store they will do it. If they can see that banning guns is costing them business. They will change there policy. Money completely talks in situations like these. As an example, pick n save. I spend $100 a week there. If they don't want my business thats $5,200 a year in sales they'll lose. In addition, with my frequent shopper card, they can verify how much money I spend there. It wouldn't take more than 10 or 15 people to sign onto a letter to document a BIG $ loss for them. That combined with the unknown for them of how many people would read a thread online showing their stores as "non-friendly to the law abiding" and not shop there. They'd change their policy in a heartbeat. Other opportunities are if you see a store with a "no firearms sign" make a mental note of it, and if there are any 'big ticket items' you might potentially buy from there someday. (this would work best for locally owned stores) but as an example if you want to buy a flat screen TV for $2,000 but the store has a "no firearms" sign posted, write a letter to the store, let them know you are ready to purchase a TV but their store doesn't allow firearms and let them know you will be happy to purchase your TV there as soon as the sign comes down. With power of numbers this can be an even more powerful tool. If we have several people who want to purchase some electronics, we can leverage that in these situation also. IE, I call a store manager/owner and let him know that we will come in and buy X pieces of electronics on X day if their sign comes down. This will let these business owners know that WE are the kind of customers they want, and you'll be surprised how fast their 'rules' change when they'll make money cause of it. |
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I know that in some other states permit holders have made cards that state pretty much what Hugh has articulated. When they found signed businesses they would drop off a card to let the business know what they are missing out on. It worked in MN, there are almost no signs anymore-would probably work here also. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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eleuthera wrote: hey, sir, I know it's your right to carry a gun, but just so you know, since pic and save is private property we're going to have a no-guns rule for everyone's safety."Boycott Pick -N- Save wooooohoooo! Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2009 02:18 pm by J.Gleason |
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J.Gleason wrote: Boycott Pick -N- Save wooooohoooo! Grow up. |
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GJD Regular Member
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I try and avoid Pick N Save if I can. They called the cops on my OC'ing last year and I was detained for 45 minutes and released. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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Hmmmm, Grow up? How about this. My address is 15 Lehner St. chilton, Wisconsin. Pleeeeaaaassseee come make me grow up as you put it. Your on the wrong forum pal! Your looking for Iaman@#$%.org! The fact of the matter is "Mr. Pointman" you are one of those egotistically rude and obnoxious people I mentioned in an earlier post. You know a "Know it all", a wanna be lawyer. You grow up! the fact is we should boycott places like Pick-n-Save when they allow some rent a cop to make policy for their store. That Mr. Pointman would get their attention! Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2009 03:01 pm by J.Gleason |
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skamp Campaign Veteran
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hmm.. i went to pick n save and nothing happened.. I was wearing a t-shirt and jeans also.. maybe its just the one? of course the one i went to didnt have a security person around either.. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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I know that in some other states permit holders have made cards that state pretty much what Hugh has articulated. When they found signed businesses they would drop off a card to let the business know what they are missing out on. It worked in MN, there are almost no signs anymore-would probably work here also. Thats a great idea. I try to be careful when I make judgements on retail outlets. I want to make sure that management (at least at the store level and most CERTAINLY at the corporate level is aware what is happening at their stores) If I owned a retail business or a chain of retail businesses I would want my customers to let me know if EVEN the janitor treated them inappropriately. For all we know Roundy's corporate CEO "chairman bob" is pro-gun and would HATE to know that his stores are treating gun owners like you were treated GJD. Now I don't know if the picknsave where you are is corporate owned, but a store that is a franchisee and licensee of the picknsave brand.... corporate would want to know about how a store with their brand name on it was treating their law abiding customers. I've shopped at 3 picknsaves OC'ing and no problems at all. Not that I'm not concerned about your situation GJD, but I want to make sure that their policy is coming from the top, not a low-level store manager or worse a night clerk who saw a gun and freaked out. |
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Pointman Regular Member
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Gleason: Yes, grow up. Don't throw a tantrum because you don't get your way. Boycotting a store before trying to solve the problem isn't helpful. Hugh took the time to explain in detail how to handle the situation and solve the problem. Hugh has also approached this from a different, and better stance: Instead of treating adults who act like children as children, try to get them to think as adults. I simply don't have respect for people who refuse to act responsibly, and as Hugh pointed out, it would serve better if I took a different approach. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Boycotting a store before trying to solve the problem isn't helpful It VERY well may be helpful. Just not AS helpful or effective as doing a little homework first. In either case, I don't think its hurtful. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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Pointman wrote: Gleason: Yes, grow up. Don't throw a tantrum because you don't get your way.I wasn't throwing a tantrum. I was merely acting like you,Pointman. I figured acting like a bully is the only thing you understand. See I made the boycott statement after reading Hugh's post. Therefore I did take into consideration that the other Pick-n-Saves did not treat customers the same way. So therefore boycotting this particular store may have a positive effect, then again maybe not, who's to say, I am not the expert here.... You obviously are! I am beginning to think you are working for the other side with all of the negativity that you breed. |
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Gleason: The other side doesn't carry. As I said, Hugh has a better approach. I'll do my best to adopt it. |
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Enough said. With that in mind I will agree with you on one thing. As these picnic are held, there should be raffles or whatever to raise money. This money should be put into a fund for defense or other purposes to support the cause and not the Wisconsin badger team. I am not trying to be harsh here and I do realize that the gentleman who organized the picnic in the La Crosse area has spent a lot of money out of pocket, therfore he can donate any proceeds to whom ever he chooses. I am just saying that in the future a defense fund would definately be an option in my mind. Any thoughts anyone? Last edited on Fri May 15th, 2009 04:54 pm by J.Gleason |
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I am attending an open carry picinic on Mem day, and I was thinking about some sort of raffle also. I dont know the legal side of it, but I remember reading about some guy that got busted by the IRS for holding a raffle without some sort of permission or documentation. Better check with the legal dept first. |
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I just came back from another trip to the Watertown Pick N Save while packing. The Operations Manager ran the checkout line (the store was busy) I went to. Saw the gun. Nothing said other than "paper or plastic" and a couple pleasantries. |
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bnhcomputing Founder's Club Member
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J.Gleason wrote: Enough said. My thinking is that we should be trying to do something that isn't so "self-serving." If we can show open carriers donating/raising money for "challenged" kids instead of their own "legal fund" interests, it shows that we are helping the community as a whole, not just those who carry. Just like the "adopt-a-highway" idea. We are giving to the community, not one another. I think a legal fund would be great, and I will support that as well, but giving back to the community shines a very positive light on us. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Open carried at Home Depot in West Allis again today Hwy 100 and National. Once again, no unusual experiences inside the store. Did have one fellow pull up next to me as I was loading cement into my truck and ask "what kind of gun is that" and mentioned that he was glad to hear about the clarification from the Attorney General. Also open carried at Pick N Save on Hwy 100 and Cleveland again today. Uneventful as expected except for the cashier who cheefully made the comment that "You are the first person I've seen exercising their right since the new law". I thought about correcting him that it wasn't a "new law" but just a clarification but didn't want to confuse him. I just said "well hopefully not the last!" wished him a good afternoon. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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oops forgot one. I open carried at Lincoln Contractor Supply in West Allis also. uneventful for the most part, one of the techs in the garage asked me "are you a cop" when I was loading some equipment into my truck. I said "no, just open carrying" he said "ah, thats what I thought" He made a brief comment about having been thinking about open carrying himself and asked about the 'school zone issue' I explained it to him and suggested he visit the forum for more info. |
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Well we've had a bunch of more dog walks and yard work with no issues. I've had the usual discussions with my neighbors about the usual stuff, while armed, with zero problems. So far, this has all been a non-event. That doesn't mean that sometime someone won't get their knickers in a twist, but for now.. |
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bnhcomputing wrote: J.Gleason wrote:You have a great point. When it comes to this issue there is definitely a lot to consider. Maybe donations could be split so all the bases are covered.Enough said. Either way I am all for community interaction. |
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Well since I couldn't make it to the open carry meet up I decided I wanted to try and open carry at the pickn'save in cudahy were I was getting some soda before starting to work. I've been going there all my life and just rode around the plaza once to make sure nothing was ary. (a rye however you spell it) A new business bought a section of the plaze it's called head start, it's a school....... But I am guessing it's for those before kindergarten, yet I didn't know for sure so I didn't take the risk. I went into the pickn'save on packard with my holster and my mag pouch with a full magazine in it. Wish I could of brought the gun along but it's better to be on the safe side. Inside the store was business as usual. I talked to the Cudahy police the other night and had a good conversation. The officer said they would be investigating the calls since not many people carry guns around, at least openly. I responded well me and others hope to change that! lol Ben |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Ben... Just do it!  |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Had the distinct honor of coming across 4 free men today while I was boating on the Milwaukee river. There is a pleasant comfort in being in the company of men who enjoy their freedoms as much as I do. Gentlemen, it was great to see you all today! Carry On! Attached Image (viewed 466 times): Last edited on Sun May 17th, 2009 05:32 am by hugh jarmis |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Open carried at West Marine in Greenfield today. Only the manager and one other customer were in the store. Went to southridge and intended to open carry there. Decided to look for "rules" posted first and sure enough. Went in the Boston Store entrance and there is a LITTLE 8.5 x 11 "rules of conduct for Boston Store" notice posted in the vestibule. You'd NEVER see it if you weren't looking for it, and it said "no firearms or weapons" amongs a bunch of other rules. So needless to say I will never spend another penny in Boston Store. I didn't have a chance due to time to check the mall entrances to see if they had anything posted there, but I suspect its the same thing. I'm going to try to never spend another penny in southridge, but that might be difficult considering some specialty stores. Boston Store will be easy to avoid. I can go to Kohls and get anything Boston Store sells. Southridge will now be my last resort for anything else. |
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Max Regular Member
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Great photo guys. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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hugh jarmis wrote: Open carried at West Marine in Greenfield today. Only the manager and one other customer were in the store. Went to southridge and intended to open carry there. Decided to look for "rules" posted first and sure enough. Went in the Boston Store entrance and there is a LITTLE 8.5 x 11 "rules of conduct for Boston Store" notice posted in the vestibule. You'd NEVER see it if you weren't looking for it, and it said "no firearms or weapons" amongs a bunch of other rules. I think looking for rules posted is not necessary - if they are not conspicuous, then they are probably not serious about it. But I agree if an extrablishement does post there is no reason to go there anyway and spend money even of the rules don't carry any real force of law. One comment on malls though - because the "mall" people (e.g., mall ninjas and the people who employ them who are far away agents form lifeless corporate owners) have no financial stake in what you sepnd there or your returning, they tend to react against open carry far more than any store manager - so much so i actually tend to lean toward advsing concealed carry in malls as it is just not worth the hassle - but then again, In Wisconsin, there is no option to conceal. |
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One comment on malls though - because the "mall" people (e.g., mall ninjas and the people who employ them who are far away agents form lifeless corporate owners) have no financial stake in what you sepnd there or your returning, they tend to react against open carry far more than any store manager - so much so i actually tend to lean toward advsing concealed carry in malls as it is just not worth the hassle - but then again, In Wisconsin, there is no option to conceal. That was the deal for me today. I wasn't worried at all about being arrested. But because I was going to a sunglass vendor in the mall that was in a center court Kiosk RIGHT next to mall "security" I was in a hurry, had to get in and out quick for dinner at the gf's. I didn't want to spend 45 minutes dealing with the hassle. On some levels I think it probably be a good idea to open carry in malls that prohibit firearms but don't have visible obvious signage. To get them to post noticeable signs that firearms are not welcome would allow everyone to know that these stores doesn't support law abiding citizens. |
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First off, I appreciate everyone's efforts. I'm a closet gun-owner looking to get out there. I wondered about something, though. Do you guys just pull into store parking lots, uncase the gun from the trunk and holster it there? Then walk towards the store? Parking lots are clear from school zone probs? I'm so concerned about schools because they're EVERYWHERE according to that map. I had considered going to the movies this weekend, but the Southgate theater is right by Pulaski HS and a parochial school. I emailed Marcus Theaters, the reply from Guest Relations was "We follow each Community or State's individual firearms laws and regulations." Okay, so I'm good to go in the building, but what about the parking lot? It's connected to Walmart's and Walgreen's. Does that make it public? Or is it still private and part of the theater? Just looking to see what's up before I go out and get put on the ground by MPD. |
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eleuthera Regular Member
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Parking lots, unless there's a meter on them, are almost always private. This excepts them from the school zone law. As for your gun question, I have a paddle holster that I keep the gun in. I keep the whole rig in a zipped bag in my trunk, so when I get out of my car, I just slide the rig on and load the gun, without ever having the gun in my hand. Just reduces unnecessary handling of a loaded gun IMHO. Although you would be legal to have a holster on, and put the gun directly into the holster from the trunk. Sounds like you're absolutely clear to carry the gun into the theatre! Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2009 08:03 pm by eleuthera |
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Mike Super Moderator
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hugh jarmis wrote: On some levels I think it probably be a good idea to open carry in malls that prohibit firearms but don't have visible obvious signage. To get them to post noticeable signs that firearms are not welcome would allow everyone to know that these stores doesn't support law abiding citizens. Um no, we do not want them to post - don;t ask for it by words certainly - if they all start posting, when the time comes to get a concealed carry statute comes, the commecial lobby will get a force of law provision re signage into the statute - bad bad ju ju. if you write this, they will come . . . |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Yeah, once I'm in the parking lot I'm golden. Assuming its not a city owned parking structure or something. But for example I OC at the pick n save in west allis that is WELL within the boundary of Nathan Hale Highschool's 1000 ft zone, but its private property. I pull up, (I have a truck, 4 door crew cab) so I keep the gun in the back, open the back door, uncase, load up, click it in the holster, all while kinda turned so my gun-hip is to the inside of the vehicle so no one notices, then on my way. |
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hugh jarmis wrote: Yeah, once I'm in the parking lot I'm golden. Assuming its not a city owned parking structure or something. Yeah, I think you are correct - just saty off the public sidewalks |
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eleuthera wrote: Parking lots, unless there's a meter on them, are almost always private. This excepts them from the school zone law.You don't chamber a round? |
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Yup, just load up in the lot and let the slide fly. For me it's actually unnerving because it would make me nervous if I was in the car next to a guy doing that, but that's what's required. There is no requirement to keep the weapon in the trunk, so I don't. School zones don't apply to private property that's not owned by the school. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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For me it's actually unnerving because it would make me nervous if I was in the car next to a guy doing that, but that's what's required. I agree. I have to stand there and drop 5 rounds in my little airweight. That seems most odd of the whole scenario. Someone walking around with a holstered guy. OK. Having a gun in your hand loading it up. More attention arousing. But like you say... Its whats required (shrug) |
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You could try to find some moon clips for your 5 shot. Then you can unload/load all 5 rounds at one time. |
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I was mainly just wanting clarification from eleuthera whether his method results in carrying a round chambered or not. It's his choice of course. I'm aware that condition three carry is advocated in some circles. However it does not matter how good you get-- a condition three carry firearm will necessarily and unavoidably be slower to bring into action than a condition one carry. It won't ever be faster, it won't ever be equally fast. It will be slower. Maybe that fraction of a second won't matter. Probably it won't. But only maybe it won't. So the best anyone can say is "probably" and "maybe." In a gunfight, I want every advantage I can get. If that advantage includes a couple of tenths of a second, I'll take it. If you carry in condition three, do you always practice racking the slide every time that you draw? If not, will you remember to rack the slide during the moment of "this is not really happening to me" when facing a real threat? Is all your training consistent with and directed towards compatibility with how you carry on the street? Just something to consider. As far as being nervous about loading and unloading a firearm, or other administrative handling, I am not nervous as long as it demonstrates competence and safety. No more nervous than just watching somebody get into a car and drive away. If the person appears sober, competent and safe, then I experience no more concern regarding gun handling than I do to watching someone who appears sober, competent and safe drive away in their car. After all, operating a motor vehicle is far more complicated than operating a firearm. Yes, we're more accustomed to seeing people operate vehicles in public than firearms. So we are not immune ourselves from the very bias against firearms that we hope to counter among the general populace? We say their fears will lessen once they get used to seeing it? Yet we experience fear with a similar basis? Regard your firearms with respect, not with fear. If this is what we wish of the non-carrying public certainly we should set the example. Yes the stupid vehicle transport law forces us to handle the gun more than we would otherwise. Yes, that probably creates a greater number of opportunities for something to go wrong in theory. If you're not negligent in what you do in practice, nothing will go wrong. We ought to be able to handle the inconvenience of loading and unloading in stride. We ought not to be the ones who are made nervous by having to load and unload. If those who are unfamiliar with guns are made nervous by observing safe gun handling, then it is THEY who have the problem, not us. They are the ones who will have a greater personal interest in getting rid of the stupid vehicle transport law, since they are the ones who are made fearful of it's requirements. (I'm sorry, I cannot write "vehicle transport law" without the word "stupid" attached as a prefix. ) |
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AaronS wrote: You could try to find some moon clips for your 5 shot. Then you can unload/load all 5 rounds at one time. I'm guessing Nik's gun is a .38 spl or .357 and not usable with moon clips, so a speed loader would be the way to go. I don't know, do they make an airweight in something that uses a moon clip, 9mm or .45 ACP? Not that I'm aware. |
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eleuthera Regular Member
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Shotgun - depends on the situation. For example, if I know a jumpy, agitated LEO is going to be confiscating my weapon and maybe not understand that my SIG doesn't have a safety....well, you see where I'm going with that. The good news is my level 2 serpa lets me chamber a round and cock the gun without taking the gun outta the holster, so I can do either without ever worrying about a misfire. Cuz I don't care how good you are, or what practice you subscribe to, there are only two types of gun owners: those who have had a misfire, and those who are going to. But to be honest, maybe I'm just extra freakin careful because I'm taking risks elsewhere (could you picture that headline? "guy who carried gun into mall shoots self accidentally") Ya I love you guys too much to set us back like that :-D |
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Shotgun wrote: As far as being nervous about loading and unloading a firearm, or other administrative handling, I am not nervous as long as it demonstrates competence and safety. No more nervous than just watching somebody get into a car and drive away. If the person appears sober, competent and safe, then I experience no more concern regarding gun handling than I do to watching someone who appears sober, competent and safe drive away in their car. After all, operating a motor vehicle is far more complicated than operating a firearm. You make an excellent point and I'd like to expand on it and what I was thinking. People talk on the cell phone while changing radio stations while driving, and they get into accidents and hurt people. That doesn't mean we should outlaw talking on the cell because of a select few, but I drive defensively and notice it. Some uneducated people who strap on a gun will load up while pointing the gun in an unsafe direction, maybe sweeping others while holstering. Others will hear and see me load up, and maybe act as if I was a bad guy (picture an officer in the car next to me). I know a guy who heard about the AG's memorandum and now wants to carry. He doesn't know a thing about firearms, never owned or fired a gun, and isn't the brightest bulb in the box (and I think he comes with a dimmer switch). Nice guy though, and a good family man. He's someone that should take a firearms safety class and then a permit to carry class so he knows what he's doing, or not buy a gun, in my opinion. I think doing so would make him and his family much safer than if he just bought a gun, and much much safer if he wanted to wear it in public. It's not just the mechanics of safety, but when can you draw in self defense, what will happen to you if you do, what do you do if you're prosecuted, how do you handle criminal and civil charges if you use the gun in lawful self defense, etc. Wisconsin is one of the few states that let you make your own choice as to education; I hope he makes the right one. |
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Pointman wrote: It's not just the mechanics of safety, but when can you draw in self defense, what will happen to you if you do, what do you do if you're prosecuted, how do you handle criminal and civil charges if you use the gun in lawful self defense, etc. Wisconsin is one of the few states that let you make your own choice as to education; I hope he makes the right one. Not true - most states allow open carry of loaded handguns without any "education." Many states issue concealed handgun permits without any requirement for "education," e.g., Pennsylvania, or require only de minimis training, e.g., Virginia (proof of compentency includes any hunter safety course, online training certificate, previously issued CHP, or proof of honorable discharge form the military). Training with guns is a good thing and the state should encourage it by tax credits (every state should pass an "unorganized militia tax credit or deduction") and free education in K-12 schools - but it should not mandate training which would then become a prior restraint on the right to bear arms. In practice, open carry appears to make people MORE aware of what they are doing and more careful - conceal carriers seem to be the ones having negligent discharges around the coutnry by carrying guns in pockets and purses without proper holsters. |
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eleuthera wrote: Shotgun - depends on the situation. For example, if I know a jumpy, agitated LEO is going to be confiscating my weapon and maybe not understand that my SIG doesn't have a safety....well, you see where I'm going with that.Gotcha. I don't think you meant to say "misfire" however. I believe you meant accidental or negligent discharge. Well there's no way to absolutely prevent acts of stupidity from occurring. Inevitably, somewhere, that headline will happen, but when it does I doubt that it will involve you, eleuthera. But it sounds more like you wish to prevent the headline "jumpy agitated police officer shoots self." If YOU are following safe handling practices then shooting yourself or someone else accidentally is not going to happen. I don't know, I'll have to give it more thought. I'm just bothered by the idea that "free men" anticipate having their rights violated. I ask myself, "free from what?" If you look at the reports from other states on here-- states that have a longer and more widely known tradition of open carry-- we still find quite a few instances of OCers getting stopped by police. The plain truth is that unpleasant encounters with LEO can happen anywhere, whether it's Wisconsin, Virginia, Wyoming or even Vermont. If we compromise the exercise of our rights-- even to a small degree-- then it is victory for those who wish to make us fear to exercise our rights. The law already provides too many unreasonable restrictions on what we are allowed to do. I can't see self-imposing further restrictions upon ourselves. That's exactly what our enemies want us to do. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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As far as being nervous about loading and unloading a firearm, or other administrative handling, I am not nervous as long as it demonstrates competence and safety. Perhaps nervous was a bad choice of words. I'm more "selfconcious" about "soccer mom" seeing me loading and unloading my gun when I'm standing in a parking lot than I am about walking around with it in the holster. Because I think the vehicle carry statute is retarded, I think that an average joe looking at me loading my gun standing next to my vehicle would be puzzled by that more-so than seeing me walking with a holstered gun. Now that people are aware that open carry is legal, I still hear a lot of people who are WELL aware open carry is legal, surprised that you have to load and unload your gun every time you get in an out of your car. |
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Some uneducated people who strap on a gun will load up while pointing the gun in an unsafe direction, maybe sweeping others while holstering. Pointman, are there any other gun myths you'd like to lay out here for the news media? Are there any other pejorative comments you'd like to fuel the anti-gun "training mandate" crowd with? Are you a firearms instructor? Because your comments of late seem to be pretty biased in that direction. Makes me think you have a financial stake in a training mandate. I know a guy who heard about the AG's memorandum and now wants to carry. He doesn't know a thing about firearms, never owned or fired a gun, and isn't the brightest bulb in the box (and I think he comes with a dimmer switch). Nice guy though, and a good family man. My BS meter is going off. I digress... I think that people who go buy power tools at home depot should make sure they know how to operate them safely before using them also. He's someone that should take a firearms safety class and then a permit to carry class so he knows what he's doing, or not buy a gun, in my opinion. I do want to say to people reading this forum that if anyone is coming on here, is thinking of buying a gun for the first time, has never owned a gun before, wants to get one now. Don't buy into the MYTH that you need professional firearms training before you exercise your rights. Your constitutional rights do not come with training requirments. The right to protect yourself and your familiy shouldn't sit in wait while you find a class that fits in your busy life schedule. Sign up for the class and pay the fee. Then complete a class before you can exercise your right to protect yourself. It GOES WITHOUT saying that in everything we do, we should learn to be better. It would be GREAT if everyone had the opportunity to take an "advanced driving" techniques" class before they get behind the wheel of a car. (think about it, drivers ed doesn't require you to learn and practice driving in snow) But the reality is that YOU as an individual have a right to protect yourself and its NOT rocket science. If ANYONE wants to purchase a gun for the first time, and doesn't know how they operate you can go to "The Shooters Shop" in West Allis. If you purchase a gun from them. They will AS A COURTESY tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about how to safely operate the weapon you have purchased BEFORE you leave the store. If you go in during a time when they are not super busy THEY WILL ALSO take you down to their range for 10 - 15 minutes NO CHARGE and help you safely operate your weapon in live-fire practice. If they are too busy with customers, they will let you know a time to come back when they aren't usually busy to go down and spend a few minutes on the range with them. I'm SURE most if not all other gun shops would do the same if you ask. I KNOW The Shooters Shop will because I called them and asked them this morning. Please don't listen to guys like pointman who say:
Once you have purchased your gun and with the FREE instruction that will be made to you from the seller, know how to do so safely. You may likely wish to perfect your skills with advanced firearm classes. But you can do those at your leisure. Don't buy into the myth perpetuated by those who make money in firearms classes that its a MUST before you purchase a gun. Firearms classes are a great idea. They are not a requisite to exercising your constitutional rights, and people who wish to cause you harm don't sit back and wait for 3 months for you to register, pay for, and complete firearms classes. In my opinion of course. |
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Yes, we should all keep in mind that if some one comes on here and continuously tells the readers they should pay for this and buy that and get insurance for that, the person probably has a personal agenda no matter how they sugar coat it. |
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eleuthera Regular Member
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You think guns are dangerous? How about voting? If we're going to force people to be trained to "government standards" in order to carry a gun, we should have everyone go through a "voting class" as well. Last November we clearly saw the danger of not having such classes. Or how about freedom of religion classes? Un-trained people could get sucked into Islamic terrorist sects. Or how about freedom of speech classes? We don't want anyone spreading anti-progressive ideas, they could be harmful. Or, how about we just let free men exercise their rights in peace, but force them to be accountable for their actions? Government mandates are never the solution to ANYTHING. More power in the government's hands means less in mine. |
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Max Regular Member
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More government meddling is NOT what we need. I do not know who is worse, the citizens that ask for more government meddling or the governments that oblige them. Will we never learn? |
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I am a certified instructor and I recommend that people get all the training they can get to improve their skills. However I am absolutely against required training for citizens. You are correct, a constitutional right ought not to have a training requirement. I believe a person can take every firearms course offered by, say the NRA, or a hunter's safety course and not necessarily be any safer with a firearm than someone who has only spent some time with their father learning to shoot. Why? Because one's attitude towards safety is the most important thing. One cannot teach attitude in a course or a lesson. Firearm safety rules are few in number and so simple that the average child of 8 can understand them. The issue is whether the individual has the resolve to strictly and conscientiously adhere to safe gun handling principles at all times. It is not something that is dependent upon one's experience or training. Nobody who has experienced a negligent discharge says afterward "I didn't know I should have kept my finger off the trigger and the muzzle pointed in a safe direction." It's not a failure in knowledge, it's a failure in attitude that leads to an unintended or unsafe discharge. Lectures will not ensure anyone has the proper attitude. We are all on our own. Now, I have 3 state permits: Pennsylvania required no training. Florida required evidence of some training, in my case they accepted my military experience. Minnesota required that I take a specific class. I will admit I am having an internal debate about the different requirements of these states. Not all training, of course, is regarding gun competency or safety. A good portion of the MN class covered the legal aspects. I think most everyone would agree that more knowledge is better than less knowledge. We discuss the legalities of gun ownership and use so much on this forum that probably we know more about it than the average Wisconsin lawyer. (And we know the level of legal knowledge within the ranks of the police covers a range from the knowledgeable to the laughable-- to be fair to the police, that's probably not much different than the general public's range of knowledge.) Anyone who goes armed without at least a basic knowledge of the law is foolish. Should there be mandated training on the law? Thinking out loud, I would have to say I guess not. One cannot easily legislate against foolishness, whether it be foolishness in the safe handling of a gun or foolishness in ignorance of the law. Anyone care to opine? |
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hugh jarmis wrote: Perhaps nervous was a bad choice of words. I'm more "selfconcious" about "soccer mom" seeing me loading and unloading my gun when I'm standing in a parking lot than I am about walking around with it in the holster. Duly noted and I completely understand that feeling. Until we can get more soccer moms shooting (like that one in PA) we'll continue to have that self-consciousness. |
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If we were to legislate against foolishness, our legislators would have to resign! Case in point - alderman in st francis who was trying to outlaw open carry because he doesn't understand pre-emption statutes. The government is much more dangerous than any one gun. |
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I agree with Shotgun and Hugh, training is good and I encourage it but we cannot accept training requirements on the exercise of a civil right. As far as the stupid firearms transport law what exactly is the penalty for not unloading? Not that I would ever disregard a law that infringed on my rights. I always sit in the back of the bus and am happy to use the proper fountain, I'm just askin'. Last edited on Thu May 21st, 2009 03:04 am by ScottM |
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ScottM wrote: I agree with Shotgun and Hugh, training is good and I encourage it but we cannot accept training requirements on the exercise of a civil right. As far as the stupid firearms transport law what exactly is the penalty for not unloading? Not that I would ever disregard a law that infringed on my rights. I always sit in the back of the bus and am happy to use the proper fountain, I'm just askin'. $100, but they "might" just say you were concealing it by having it on your hip covered by the car door and/or your body  . |
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Parabellum wrote: ScottM wrote:If I was going to ignore unconstitutional laws I would probably just leave it loaded when casing.I agree with Shotgun and Hugh, training is good and I encourage it but we cannot accept training requirements on the exercise of a civil right. As far as the stupid firearms transport law what exactly is the penalty for not unloading? Not that I would ever disregard a law that infringed on my rights. I always sit in the back of the bus and am happy to use the proper fountain, I'm just askin'. |
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I start out by saying we don't need to pass a law that binds the many because of the few, and it gets taken way out of context because I suggest that some people may want to get some outside education and it may not be in the best interest of others to carry a gun. Is it hostility toward common sense or what? Not everybody is completely self-educated in the area of guns, self-defense, and the law. Jeez. |
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Just OC'd the walmart on capital with jacobk. No issues to report. Spoke with several employees with no noticable concern. Awesome. |
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Went to Lowes on Brown Deer Road. Had a Beretta 9000 on my hip. I had to talk to three people to find a belt sander, hi-temp RTV, and a few other things. Everyone did a double take at my hip, but no problems. At check out, the young woman droped my new belt sander when she saw the gun. It just did a flop and is fine (I could tell it would be). I picked it up, with a smile, and said it was ok. Still no problem. Nice trip for me. My Harley is a bit closer to being done as well... |
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OK, this is a new one for me. Is the Dr. Brenda Noach Secondary & Elementary School a real school? I looked at the "web site" for the school, and I think I am seeing a problem. Take a look at the size of the 1000 foot area around it... It is in the War Memorial? And we can't carry around (not in) the WAR MEMORIAL? What did my grandfather fight for? What the hell is wrong with this city? |
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AaronS wrote: OK, this is a new one for me. Is the Dr. Brenda Noach Secondary & Elementary School a real school? I looked at the "web site" for the school, and I think I am seeing a problem. Take a look at the size of the 1000 foot area around it... It is in the War Memorial? And we can't carry around (not in) the WAR MEMORIAL? What did my grandfather fight for? Probably is a school as defined in the law. This is indeed a very poor situation which you describe. |
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AaronS wrote: OK, this is a new one for me. Is the Dr. Brenda Noach Secondary & Elementary School a real school? I looked at the "web site" for the school, and I think I am seeing a problem. Take a look at the size of the 1000 foot area around it... It is in the War Memorial? And we can't carry around (not in) the WAR MEMORIAL? What did my grandfather fight for? According to the school's web site, one school location is in the lower level of the War Memorial. People can't carry in the War Memorial because it's a government building, and can't carry around the building because of the school ban. Worse yet, immediately North of the War Memorial is Veteran's Park, which is in the Milwaukee County Park System, and therefore the Milwaukee County parks ban applies. (Preemption should also apply.) DBNESS website: http://drbrendanoach.com/moodle/index.php DBNESS locations: http://drbrendanoach.com/moodle/mod/resource/view.php?id=7 Milwaukee County War Memorial location: http://www.warmemorialcenter.org/Visitors_Guide/index.html Milwaukee County Park Listing: http://www.milwaukee.gov/AbTheParkSystemmap10627.htm Happy Memorial Day... |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Happy Memorial Day... Enjoy your "freedoms" When the news anchors on TV and talking heads are gushing about the "free country" we live in, our founding fathers are turning over in their graves. Government takeover of business. Police state regulations, searches without warrants. Whats most amazing is how at least half of the general public still recites the montra "free country" without a second thought. I'm convinced when we have checkpoints, RFID tags, a carbon ration, and government approved diet plan to combat the out of control healthcare issues, people will still pick up the flag, march in parades, and proclaim how lucky they are to live in a "free country". I guess a good 80 years of brainwashing post New Deal (or should I say Raw Deal) really works. Oh, wait... we already do have checkpoints http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFS7oZtE8Ks (drunk driving checkpoints, illegal immigrant checkpoints, obama is proposing a carbon ration (cap and trade) and government is taking over business, healthcare, etc. |
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hugh jarmis wrote: I'm convinced when we have checkpoints, RFID tags, a carbon ration, and government approved diet plan to combat the out of control healthcare issues, people will still pick up the flag, march in parades, and proclaim how lucky they are to live in a "free country". I guess a good 80 years of brainwashing post New Deal (or should I say Raw Deal) really works. If you do a search, RFID implants are proposed for "medical identification purposes," several public schools have banned soda and sweets (and if you send a cookie with your kid's lunch they go to the Principal's office for discipline and you get invited to a school meeting), the government won't let banks return the money they were forced to borrow so the banks are still under government rule, our paper currency is not tied to the federal reserve, and so forth. On the up side, we still have freedom of speech. (Unless it's anti-Obama, then you're arrested, especially if you're at a college graduation ceremony where they also arrested protesters who were outside. Come to think of it, it's any possible anti-Democrat speech, as the "Don't Tase me bro!" guy demonstrated at a Kerry speech, unintentionally.) I have to wonder how this River Splash [military zone] thing will pan out. Edit: I also have to wonder if Hugh could fight through a "deployment of a TASER International Inc. electronic control device." I have a feeling his eyes would get that funny Hulk(TM) look to them and he'd growl a bit, but that's it. Last edited on Fri May 22nd, 2009 08:43 pm by Pointman |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Open carried again today. Twice at Home Depot HWY 100 and National, Also my weekly grocery trip to Pick N Save HWY 100 and Cleveland and then just around my neighborhood and yard. An employee at HD did ask me if I was a bodyguard. I smiled and said "no" then he said "oh a cop" I smiled again and said "no" he said "oh I saw your 'little buddy' and figured you were" At pick n save the checker "Jan" (who knows me from my weekly shopping) saw me in line and said "hey I saw you on TV!" and I said "uh oh, I hope I was behaving!" she laughed. When it was my turn to check out she said "I'm so glad you young guys still fight for our rights" (she's probably late 50's) (and I don't feel so young at 34 anymore but anyway) She went on to talk about how she's worried about whats happening in our country and with our government. I agreed. She said "I'm so tired of seeing people come through with food stamps and buy LOBSTER!" lol Last edited on Sat May 23rd, 2009 03:32 am by hugh jarmis |
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gila Regular Member
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Carried again today. Went to The Fly Fishers, Cabelas, CVS, and Walgreens. I stopped a few more places and didn't carry inside as I wasn't going to be in long and my wife was in the car. It seems as if people notice an empty holster more than one with a gun in it. I've yet to see any real hard looks at the holster when it contains a gun, but when it's empty I have seen a few puzzled looks. Maybe I should use a cardboard cutout that says "place gun here" and use that when the holster is empty.... |
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Pointman wrote: The more muscle you have the more you are effected by the taser. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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I went to the movies today, OC'd at the Southgate Theater with the family. I saw Night at the Museum 2. Pretty good flick, the kids liked it. IMO, not as good as the first, but I did laugh out loud at a small recreation of one of the slo-mo battles from 300. Oh, nothing out of the ordinary. I felt like people might have been watching, but it may just be because it was my first time carrying. I brought my "value" Smith & Wesson 908 because I didn't want to risk getting my Sig taken away. After the movie, I walked over to the Walmart next door and followed my wife while she did some shopping. I did see some slight staring/pointing, but nothing major. For the most part nobody noticed, except a customer who asked if I worked there because she was looking for something in particular. Might have just been the blue shirt I happened to be wearing, though  Overall, uneventful. Maybe I gave some people something to talk about when they go home. |
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smithman Regular Member
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Sajuuk wrote: I went to the movies today, OC'd at the Southgate Theater with the family. I saw Night at the Museum 2. Pretty good flick, the kids liked it. IMO, not as good as the first, but I did laugh out loud at a small recreation of one of the slo-mo battles from 300. Nice. I don't know if I can carry at the Majestic Theater in Waukesha...they have at least one bar in there and I don't know if their Class B applies to the whole theater or just the bar section. Last edited on Sun May 24th, 2009 02:24 pm by smithman |
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smithman wrote: Sajuuk wrote: I went to the movies today, OC'd at the Southgate Theater with the family. I saw Night at the Museum 2. Pretty good flick, the kids liked it. IMO, not as good as the first, but I did laugh out loud at a small recreation of one of the slo-mo battles from 300.
Sounds like a class A misdemeanor to me. If you can drink on site, they must have a class B license. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Open Carried at Home Depot in West Allis and Steins Garden Center in Greenfield (hwy 100 and Beloit) As usual, no incidents either place. |
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smithman wrote: Sajuuk wrote:I went to the movies today, OC'd at the Southgate Theater with the family. I saw Night at the Museum 2. Pretty good flick, the kids liked it. IMO, not as good as the first, but I did laugh out loud at a small recreation of one of the slo-mo battles from 300. I've been to the dinner theater thing at the majestic and have had alcohol there as well as the bar. They may or may not allow it outside of those places but I wouldn't take the chance of carrying there. Just sounds too messy. |
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Has anyone carried in Glendale? I wrote the Chief a letter and in his reply he gave me a "Flynn" type responce. |
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smithman Regular Member
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FLR72 wrote: I wrote the Chief a letter and in his reply he gave me a "Flynn" type responce. Perfect. I smell a lawsuit if your rights are violated and it could make you a small fortune. But don't carry to try and bring a lawsuit...carry for personal security. Some law enforcement erroneously thinks they may be better off with trying to scare people into not carrying. In fact, the Flynn response was really just for the media and any casual carriers that may be watching the news. Take a look at this attached advisory to "the troops" which actually is much different from what Flynn said. He put up a front and so is the Glendale cop. Bottom line, we have nothing to fear since all of law enforcement knows that our activities are lawful. Too bad they had to be directed by big daddy Van Hollen but in any case the result is that they now know, and them knowing and not acting correctly opens them to civil rights cases if they screw up. It's ok to be nervous about carrying, but it should not go into fear since the fear should have been lifted by VH. Attachment: bulletin_Milwaukee_police.pdf (Downloaded 42 times) |
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FLR72 wrote: Has anyone carried in Glendale? Nik wrote a good piece on "asking permission" over on the La Crosse thread. (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/25383-2.html) Although I'm not as elegant as he is, the jist of it was asking permission gives the police power they do not have and are not entitled to. We should never be asking permission of our government, rather our government should be asking for our permission. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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FLR72 wrote: Has anyone carried in Glendale? I'm on 52nd and Good Hope, and see a lot of Brown Deer cops on my dog walks, not a problem yet. I was thinking of going to Bay Shore Mall, but have yet to do so. Just make sure you give yourself an extra 45 minutes, just in case you do get stopped and questioned. Where were you thinking of going? |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Went out again, open-carried at the Pick'n'Save on 18th and National. Nothing major coming in. Only incident was at the checkout lane. A curious kid asked me if "it" was real. I just said yes, and he went off to tell his dad. |
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Thanks guys, I should of posted his letter in my first post but here it is. I think it will be good for a laugh for some of you. There is no change in how we deal with this matter. Glendale restricts open carry in public buildings and establishments open to the public. For other situations that are complaint driven, our officers will engage the "carrier" to determine if there is any violation. When officers view a "carrier" without benefit of complaint, they are directed to use their judgment and discretion to determine if and how to approach this person.
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Mike Super Moderator
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FLR72 wrote: Thanks guys, This Chief seems to not get preemption. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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Yea, whats up with this "establishments open to the public" ban? Think I got to go shopping in Glendale real soon. EDIT: Woops, I just read Bay Shore Malls rules. No weapons at all on property. Can't even park with a gun I guess... Last edited on Tue May 26th, 2009 06:50 am by AaronS |
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eleuthera Regular Member
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I drive through glendale to work every day. I'll make a point of making a couple stops there soon. OC'd into Target out in greenfield today, no issues. Also, OC'd in the Metromart in DT mil, couple a funny looks is all. |
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eleuthera wrote: OC'd into Target out in greenfield today, no issues. The one near my house? Used to work there myself, wonder what their reactions would be...heh. |
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Mr. Greg wrote: eleuthera wrote:Their reaction? I dunno, how about..... disgruntled former employee????OC'd into Target out in greenfield today, no issues.  |
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Wasn't necessarily speaking of myself, just from an observor's stance. |
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It seems to be ok to carry at Bayshore, but only if you CC. I see it almost every time I am there. |
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WI Patriot Regular Member
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FLR72 wrote: It seems to be ok to carry at Bayshore, but only if you CC.Since we can't CC in Wisconsin....... Therefore, no guns at Bayshore if that's their policy. |
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Does anyone else have any input on the below conversation? Would carrying a weapon in a shoulder holster be considered partially concealing a weapon, or would it be ok under the O/C law? I am a first timer on this site. I have just gotten out of the military (Wisconsin National Guard - Military Police Officer) So I am a big supporter of OC/CC and individual rights. There are a lot of great topics on this site, as well as plenty of people who really know their @#$%. Granted, military laws are WAY different than let's say Milwaukee, I have a question about O/C. Would carrying a handgun in a shoulder holster be ok.... or would that be perceived as partially concealed considering your arm and body are pretty much sandwiching your weapon? Thanks! GlockMeisterG21 Supporting Member Joined: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 Location: WI Patriot Supporting Member  Joined: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 Location: MackattackMP21 Supporting Member  Joined: Tue May 26th, 2009 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA Posts: 2 Status: Online Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 09:57 pm Edit Quote Reply Thank you for the warm welcome to the environment. I have studied up on my local/state laws involving open carry, as a former LEO, though military, it's important to get a background on any situation before you put yourself on the line. I am very interested in attending and supporting events that go down in Milwaukee for O/C and other places in the state. (given enough notice). I will be out of town for business from May 31-Jun 5th. But if you don't mind keeping me in the loop on events, I look forward to meeting you and any supporters of the O/C cause. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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MackattackMP21 wrote: Would carrying a weapon in a shoulder holster be considered partially concealing a weapon, or would it be ok under the O/C law? I think the biggest problem with shoulder holster for open carry is muzzle control - if the rig causes the muzzle to point at people as you walk around, that is probably not a good idea. Would you want a muzzle pointed at your face or your kids? |
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not sure if anyone mentioned it, but anyone OC at the lake front yet? I do a lot of salmon/trout fishing and i wanna OC there... As i recalled, there arent any signs that say, "no guns"... |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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but anyone OC at the lake front yet? Not that I know of, but you'll need to be careful because of the uncosntitutional school zone law that hasn't been repealed yet. There are some hidden schools inside the war memorial building. See the school zone map. It looks like there is plenty of "safe" area if you park by the boat launches at McKinley Marina and OC there/on the breakwater. |
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WI Patriot wrote: FLR72 wrote:It seems to be ok to carry at Bayshore, but only if you CC.Since we can't CC in Wisconsin....... The people I see CCing at Bayshore are not obeying the rules or the law, if you get my drift. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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OC'd at Home Depot in st'allis again today, and Bluemels Garden Center in Greenfield. And I wish I spoke spanish cause I REALLY want to know what the group of 5 mexican employees who had just got off work and were standing near the outdoor checkout were saying. I know they saw the gun and were talking about it, but not in english. Oh well... I'll never know.. but another uneventful, as expected day OC'ing Last edited on Sat May 30th, 2009 06:27 am by hugh jarmis |
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AaronS Regular Member
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FLR72 wrote: It seems to be ok to carry at Bayshore, but only if you CC. That is good |
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Mike wrote: MackattackMP21 wrote:Would carrying a weapon in a shoulder holster be considered partially concealing a weapon, or would it be ok under the O/C law? It's my understanding , that a shoulder rig , is NOT legal for OC , because it is partially concealed by the arm. Question for all you guys that OC..... Do you carry your pistols/revolvers , on an empty chamber? Last edited on Sat May 30th, 2009 03:38 pm by 1911forme |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Carried at George Webb's on 20th and Mitchell. Had some chili, it was good as usual. I got a couple of looks, but nothing major. Overall uneventful. |
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1911forme wrote: Mike wrote:MackattackMP21 wrote:Would carrying a weapon in a shoulder holster be considered partially concealing a weapon, or would it be ok under the O/C law? I would never carry my gun without a round in the tube. If I need it, I might not have much time (I carry autos)...  Last edited on Sun May 31st, 2009 12:39 am by AaronS |
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1911forme wrote: Question for all you guys that OC..... Carrying a fully loaded revolver, or a firearm with a chambered round is usually referred to as a condition-1 carry. Due to the vehicle carry laws in Wisconsin, if a semi-automatic is used, a condition-1 carry requires the individual to master the ability to open the action and catch/retrieve the round. A condition-3, "empty chamber" is easier in that we only need to remove the magazine and we can case the firearm but condition-3 requires one to operate the side before the firearm is capable of being used for defense. Open carry from a strictly "best defensive" position would have us carry "cocked and locked" or Condition-1 in an active retention holster and we would carry the firearm on our strong side and would always work to keep our bodies between the firearm and any nearby individuals. As open carry is new to many in Wisconsin, and some who carry do so to demonstrate that open carry is safe, they carry on their strong side but do no specifically place their bodies between the "public" and the firearm. Of course, this is not always possible, which is why I would recommend an active retention holster. When I carry, I always carry my revolver in condition-1 fully loaded as five(5) vs. six(6) rounds makes no difference when unloading the the firearm for vehicle carry. I tend to carry the semi-autos in condition-3 as that is easier to un-case/case for vehicle carry. If Wisconsin allowed vehicle carry, then I would use condition-1 all the time. I always try to keep my body between the public and the firearm whenever possible as this is better for retention purposes. And that's my $0.02 Last edited on Sun May 31st, 2009 01:19 am by bnhcomputing |
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Revolvers are nice for carrying now due to the vehicle restrictions. Repeatedly chambering a round in a semi may produce a higher pressure situation during firing (note I say MAY, it depends on the firearm, the caliber of ammunition, and other factors). |
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Please get the nomenclature correct. We don't use "clips" in our semi-autos. They all take magazines. The only firearms that I am aware of that use "clips" are the M1 Garand which uses an en bloc clip and then "stripper clips" which are used to charge the fixed magazines of various military arms and in some cases removable magazines such as those for the M1 Carbine. We don't want to sound like the extremely uninformed news media. |
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You are correct. A "clip" is used to load the magazine. Post update/corrected. |
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gila Regular Member
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Carried today at Mayfair Mall! I had a nice conversation with a gentleman that asked me about OC. He was not against OC and was really just asking how it was to actually do it. When I walked in I saw no signs stating that OC was not allowed. Carried a few other places without incident. |
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Hi group, new member here. After checking into what exactly is a 'school' (948.61(b)) I asked the Sylvan Learning Center which is in the strip mall that I grocery shop at shop at if they classified themselves as a school and was told "No, we are a learning center" - as I do not want to have an issue with OC & a technicality of the statutes. None of the pamphlets use the word 'school' either that I read. So then, after the "No" answer, drove home, drove back, and OC'd with my sons as I shopped. A few looked, most did not notice, and no one said a thing. This was the pick & Save at 76th & Rawson in Frankiln. Nice 40th birthday present to myself. There is a Sendik's @ 51st & Rawson, but there is a church with a grade school just to the north of them, easily within the 1000' buffer, so no walking to Andy's gas station for a snack either. I have OC'd when working in the yard for awile, and when getting the newspaper & mail and when walking the dog, lots of smiles & waves. It is nice to carry in the state I live. I have been CCing when I travel for work (with permits), but for the longest time, I did not in my own backyard. That - has changed. Now I know where to look for the next picnic location, and when the corn here is ready for picking, I'll host an OC Corn Roast myself. |
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Welcome to the freedom Rook Looking forward to some corn  |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Welcome!It is nice to carry in the state I live. I have been CCing when I travel for work (with permits), but for the longest time, I did not in my own backyard. Ditto! In addition, now that I can carry in my home state on a regular basis, I feel so much better abotu spending more money on new handguns. Because I get so much more utility out of them than jus tsitting in a case and never seeing the light of day except at the range. |
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Now I know where to look for the next picnic location, and when the corn here is ready for picking, I'll host an OC Corn Roast myself. Are you serious about holding an oc in your own back yard? I have been searching for one right in my area but seeing as I am only a high school student I could not hold it myself. So if you are planning one I would like an invite to help network my cause of spreading open carry Last edited on Sun May 31st, 2009 10:52 pm by Pezhead992 |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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OC'd at Home Depot and Ace Hardware in West Allis. Total time of about an hour and a half. Nothing out of the ordinary. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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I carried today at a comic book store on Oklahoma. The clerk noticed and asked if I was going to shoot him, but I was with my brother and they're friends, so he was kidding. When I was paying for my comic, there was someone in line behind me who was incredibly wide-eyed, but nobody said anything. Later that evening I went to Boston Market for dinner. Again nobody noticed. Other than always going to the trunk to pack/unpack it, this is getting easier and easier. I'm crossing my fingers hoping my new Serpa holster comes in tomorrow so I can just slide it in and hear the click. I'm also hoping one of these days to come across someone else carrying, too. |
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OC'd today at Pet Warehouse & Lowes, both on South 27th Street. Once again, no issues, no problems - just the usual glances toward the pistol (which I'm getting used to). |
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So many people on the South Side. Am I the only person on the North end of Milwaukee? The people at Pic n Save on Green Bay Rd. and Good Hope have not done anything that I know of to me. I am not to sure if people are even seeing it much, but from time to time I do hear a few people talk... |
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I'm also hoping one of these days to come across someone else carrying, too. Ditto! Always great to run into a random freedom lover! |
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Sajuuk wrote: I'm also hoping one of these days to come across someone else carrying, too. Odds are we will, I live very close to Lowes, and based on Hugh's expeditions in New Berlin, we may cross paths on my way to the office or coming home. Have to keep eyes open for a OC brother - or sister for that matter - now. With percentages, it will happen sooner than later as our ranks begin to increase. And if you see me, or anyone else, introduce yourself & say hi - strength in numbers after all. |
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ROOK_WI wrote: After checking into what exactly is a 'school' (948.61(b)) I asked the Sylvan Learning Center which is in the strip mall that I grocery shop at shop at if they classified themselves as a school and was told "No, we are a learning center" - as I do not want to have an issue with OC & a technicality of the statutes. None of the pamphlets use the word 'school' either that I read.Hi Rook and welcome! It wouldn't have mattered if it is a school, since the rest of the strip mall and the grocery store are private property and the stupid school zone law has no effect on private property. |
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I don't recall seeing this anywhere in the forums - sorry if it's been covered. Saw a sign on the front door at Gander Mountain on 27th in Oak Creek (or Franklin maybe) that said "All Firearms and Bows must be checked at the front desk" or something very close to that. I don't know if that's new or if it's been there since the dinosaurs. I frankly haven't paid any attention to those things until recently. |
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OC'd at Pick n save in West Allis (hwy 100 and cleveland) the Target store across the street, and the Dunham Sports store next to Target on Hwy 100. Business as usual. Carry on |
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gbu28 wrote: I don't recall seeing this anywhere in the forums - sorry if it's been covered. I'm pretty sure I saw the same sign posted at the Gander in Waukesha. I have OCed there and not had an issue. Imo, just carry there. Like anywhere else, if they ask you to leave just walk out. |
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IIRC, anything that is going to be handled while in their store needs to be checked at the counter. Safety issue. Since you won't be handling your carry piece while at GM, there is no reason to case it and check it at the counter. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Home Depot in West Allis today. Talked with the store manager for about 10 minutes. (not about OC) nothing unusual. |
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gila Regular Member
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At Gander Mountain the bottom of the sign says that the exceptions are concealed carry/ permit holders. Pvtschultz is correct, the sign is about firearms that are handled in their store not your "carry piece." I carried at Uhle's smoke shop in downtown Milwaukee yesterday. Great store and as always there were zero issues. |
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Question for everyone. I was at the open carry picnic in Greenfield and I asked everyone if you where to oc in a grocery store that has a bank in it could you still do that? No one really had an answer. Any thoughts. |
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It is legal. There is no restriction preventing you carrying in either. I have carried multiple times at my Chase bank without issues. |
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smithman wrote: It is legal. There is no restriction preventing you carrying in either. I was telling my wife that (she works at a bank). I have talked to her about it, and as of yet, no signs are going up. I guess her idea is to wait and see if any problems come up. I cant say what bank, but it is one Downtown. I am asking her not to change a thing, but it is not just up to her... The head of Security called his friend at the Mil. PD. He was told that until an OC person refuses to leave when asked, not to call, because there was nothing that could be done. |
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my next Question would be --can a security guard tell you to leave or does it have to be the bank itself and being in a grocery store do you really have to leave if the store dosn't mind. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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Good questions. If the bank rents from the store, I would have to say it is up to the store. |
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Wal-mart, Pick n Save, and Sam's club in West Allis today. No issues, a couple stares. |
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I was recently arrested for open carry and posted the story last night. And now its gone. Can you or anyone explain. After all was said and done they dropped all charges but still have not returned my gun. |
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I was recently arrested for open carry and posted the story last night. And now its gone. Can you or anyone explain. After all was said and done they dropped all charges but still have not returned my gun. |
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dvnsyd Regular Member
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Can anyone help me out? I posted a story last night about being arrested for O.C. and now the story and all replies are gone. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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You need to email Mike and find out what is going on. Where were you arrested? And When? |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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dvnsyd, I understand that your post was removed temporarily to prevent anything that you said from being used against you. I sent you a pm with my phone number. feel free to give me a call if you want. |
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hugh jarmis wrote: dvnsyd, I understand that your post was removed temporarily to prevent anything that you said from being used against you. Thanks a lot for helping him out. We need to stick togeather on this stuff. |
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hugh jarmis wrote: dvnsyd, I understand that your post was removed temporarily to prevent anything that you said from being used against you. I've talked with him (dvnsyd) and also suggested he speak with (hugh jarmis) about getting hold of the attorney(s) that helped Jesus (Parabellum) out. So I hope he calls (hugh jarmis) as well. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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I understand he can't give the details but does anyone know where and when? Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 06:51 pm by J.Gleason |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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I understand he can't give the details but does anyone know where and when? I spoke with dvnsyd. Good guy. He was arrested, but released without being charged. I don't want to discuss what part of his case was "unique" but the right thing happened and he wasn't charged. I think his only hassle might be dealing with the red tape like Jesus did to get his firearm returned, although with the resolution of Jesus's firearm situation and others, I think the precedent is there and hopefully this "learning process" that the police departments are going through will lead to a quicker return of dvnsyd's property. I think I'm safe saying that as we all know, Wisconsins gun laws are still a major major mess. Way too much ambiguity to be fair to law-abiding citizens. We all go through major convolutions everytime we carry in order to be sure we are not only within the law but avoiding any of the ambiguous 'grey area' that the wisconsin legislature, supreme court, and governor have left for us law-abiding citizens to meander through. I can say after talking with dvnsyd that I'm optimistic that the police are 'learning' and even his situation will probably in some ways blaze a bit of a path for the rest of us as well. Having said that, in general just a reminder to all of us to remember to be very careful of Wisconsins onerous restrictions: -school zone. DO NOT knowingly carry within a school zone unless you are on private property. (store parking lot is private property so you are safe there) if you go out for a walk on public sidewalks, avoid school zones. -avoid places that sell liqour for consumption on premisis (anyplace with a class B liquor license) Don't go there OC'ing -do not conceal your firearm. Conceal carry is usually illegal in wisconsin. mish-mosh of Hamden aside, don't take the risk, Open Carry. -be VERY careful regarding the vehicle carry restrictions. do not enter your vehicle armed. If you have a trunk, unload and encase your gun at the trunk, standing outside your vehicle. Do not sit in your vehicle armed, do not place a loaded weapon inside your vehicle. Unloaded and cased inside the vehicle. When you get where you are going, get out first, load and holster standing outside your vehicle. When you return, unload and case standing outside your vehicle. (ok to be standing at the trunk loading/unloading leaned down into the trunk) but don't get in your vehicle until you've already unloaded and cased. Until we get these onerous restrictions changed, better to err with an abuncance of caution than subject yourself to the greay area of the law which will be interpreted by the wildly varying discretion of "armed government personell" Last edited on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 07:46 pm by hugh jarmis |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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Well said, this is a fight that is not going to end over night. |
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I went to BW3s today in Oak Creek and on the door said that firearms were not allowed on the premises. Funny as firearms cannot be carried into areas where alcohol is consumed. |
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protias wrote: I went to BW3s today in Oak Creek and on the door said that firearms were not allowed on the premises. Funny as firearms cannot be carried into areas where alcohol is consumed. Thanks, I'll look for another place to eat crappy, heart burn inducing, meat-less chicken wings for now on. If they don't support my rights, I'll eat other's fixin's. Even if I cannot legally carry in there, for now .OTOH, I saw that TN legislators overrode the governor's veto of a revision to their OC laws. You can now carry into a "tavern" so long as you are not drinking and carrying. Smart move IMO, something that should be considered here in WI. |
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I go to Tennessee a couple times a year, mainly around the Nashville area. I have yet to see anyone open carry in a city although it is legal. Great state though and I am glad I will no longer have to disarm to go out for dinner at my favorite restaurants. |
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pvtschultz wrote: Thanks, I'll look for another place to eat crappy, heart burn inducing, meat-less chicken wings for now on. I lost it when I read that. Took me two full minutes before my eyes stopped watering. LMAO! |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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At least Tennessee is coming around. Though they have been headed in the right direction for a long time. I remember about 8 years ago I was down in Nashville to pick up a guy who skipped out on bail. I notified the police when I arrived and an officer showed up. The first thing he asid to me was, "You got a gun with you?" I said, "yes sir I do." He said, " well strap it on, I would rather have more good guys around with guns then not have any when we need them." I always looked forward to going down there. I didn't need a warrant when I went after these guys and those cops down there loved it. Last edited on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 02:52 am by J.Gleason |
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GlockMeisterG21 Campaign Veteran
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OCed at the pick n save on 76th with a buddy. couple stares, no issues. Same 'ol same 'ol. |
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OC'd at Target (27th & Layton). No issues, no problems (same old, same old). |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Went to Walmart today, 27th near Oklahoma. No incidents, probably a couple looks, but I didn't notice. I'm getting better at this. |
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I was there at the same time. Did not OC was in a rush. I probably walked by you, I didn't notice a thing Last edited on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 02:51 am by Russf |
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gila wrote: At Gander Mountain the bottom of the sign says that the exceptions are concealed carry/ permit holders. Pvtschultz is correct, the sign is about firearms that are handled in their store not your "carry piece." I carried at Uhle's smoke shop in downtown Milwaukee yesterday. Great store and as always there were zero issues.Here is a picture of the GM sign that I took yesterday...  |
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carried into pic and save in northwest milwaukee - got plenty of looks, a kid asked if I was security, another teenager asked me what caliber. I've taken to handing out the flyers we have to people who ask questions. I like the level of professionalism and trust I attain by representing the organization. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Carried at Farm and Fleet on Rawson today, looking for 9mm ammo. Came up empty, so I went to Gander Mtn on 27th. They had some range stuff, but no hollow points.  Is there no 9mm carry ammo anywhere? eleuthera wrote: I've taken to handing out the flyers we have to people who ask questions. I like the level of professionalism and trust I attain by representing the organization. Where would one get these flyers? I missed the picnic, unfortunately. |
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Sajuuk wrote:Carried at Farm and Fleet on Rawson today, looking for 9mm ammo. Came up empty, so I went to Gander Mtn on 27th. They had some range stuff, but no hollow points. That's awesome Sajuuk. I almost carried there but the burbs tend to scare me more than Milwaukee (I know, I'm the oddball). I have to return something there this weekend so I think I'll give it a shot. As far as ammo, I was all over the place looking. I finally happened to be at a Wal-mart and the clerk had just put some out so I purchased the 6 boxes max I could. He said as soon as it comes in, it goes out. Pretty much mirrors what I've found on the internet. Also, do you guys mind mentioning what you were carrying in addition to where? I've carried twice and am really encouraged with hearing about others, but I'm always wondering what it is being carried. I have an XD45 which seems (in my mind) to be this huge freakin' goiter at my side. It would be nice to know what other people carry. |
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gbu28 wrote: Also, do you guys mind mentioning what you were carrying in addition to where? I've carried twice and am really encouraged with hearing about others, but I'm always wondering what it is being carried. I have an XD45 which seems (in my mind) to be this huge freakin' goiter at my side. It would be nice to know what other people carry. Sig SP2022 on me, blackhawk serpa holster with the paddle. My wife just picked up a Taurus 24/7 with a pink frame, but she's taking baby steps and just carrying an empty holster for now. |
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GlockMeisterG21 Campaign Veteran
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Was just asked to leave the Ihop on 43rd about 45 mins ago. I can't carry there because I'm not a cop. BTW, pretty sure there is more drama to come from this. You'll know what I'm talking about when you see it. Last edited on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 07:22 am by GlockMeisterG21 |
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote: Was just asked to leave the Ihop on 43rd about 45 mins ago. I can't carry there because I'm not a cop. What happened? |
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BJA Campaign Veteran
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That sucks Glockmeister, I hope you weren't in the middle of eating when they asked you to leave. OMG a big guy with a gun in the International House of Pancakes who is about to eat! sheesh lawish. Looks like I wont be going to IHOP, anyways George Webbs is better . Ben |
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gbu28 Regular Member
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote:Was just asked to leave the Ihop on 43rd about 45 mins ago. I can't carry there because I'm not a cop. http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/IHOP.pdf |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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Sounds like you need to call corporate!  |
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GlockMeisterG21 Campaign Veteran
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I wasn't the only one there btw. I showed up with Parabellum, springfield 1911, and dvnsyd were there as well. More to follow, I want to get with Para before I write a letter to Ihop corperate. Last edited on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 10:10 pm by GlockMeisterG21 |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote: I wasn't the only one there btw. I showed up with Parabellum, springfield 1911, and dvnsyd were there as well. More to follow, I want to get with Para before I write a letter to Ihop corperate. Any updates on this? I was thinking about trying my luck at IHOP, but now I'm curious as to where this is going to go. Anyway, I did go to Kopp's this evening, had a burger and a banana shake. Got some looks, but nobody said anything. It was pretty crowded, too. |
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We were booted because of some ignorant security guards from Illinois. Para is in the process of writing up a letter to send off to corporate. At this point I'd say go ahead as long as it's not the one one 43rd. You may end up having the same issue. Just remember if you're asked to leave, just leave and get off their property as soon as possible. Anything other than that can be considered trespassing. |
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Carried in the Menards on 43rd just North of Lincoln where Para was arrested (West Milwaukee). I was not dressed professionally, as I was on all previous occasions to this store, because I had just ripped out a friend's shrubbery. We were in the gardening department (outside, but fenced in) and an older fellow seemed to stare at my gun, a lot, the friend said. Also, one female employee seemed to notice, at which point she got another female employee to confirm she did indeed see someone with a gun. I hadn't seen any of this because I was talking with another customer who did notice I was armed and made nothing of it. She thanked me for some advice, I thanked her for some advice, and all was well. Appearance does make a difference. If I looked like a thug the police probably would have showed up, from what the friend said, which is very unfortunate. I shouldn't have to shower and change into clean clothes to walk into the garden department and buy plants, and so far I haven't had to. Realizing what I just said, I remember the firestorm last time I mentioned appearance.... Things are sliding downhill in South Milwaukee from the sound of the "business ban" signage, and nobody wants to appear in person and protest, just complain online. People have griped before about "having" to dress a certain way when I suggested less trouble seems to follow people who dress better. Why is this? Are we just a bunch of whiners who refuse to dress respectably or show up to defend our rights once in a while? I'll admit, I didn't show up in South Milwaukee. I don't read OpenCarry near as much, and I still blame it on the loss of member moderators that seemed to make the sight much more "tight." Now there's a thread for everything, no thread stays even close to on topic, and OpenCarry seems to be a publicity whore for OpenCarry. I'm not sure why I'd sponsor a radio ad to tell people to come to OpenCarry.org if all that happens is people complain about how everyone does everything wrong when trying to get our rights back to the point nobody does anything. I admit, the trash pickup idea is great, and the tree planting and graffiti removal too. It does help the community, and it does show that people with guns do good things. Is that enough to change politicians minds? I don't think so. OpenCarry members stuck to carrying in Milwaukee County Parks being illegal, and not only has Milwaukee agreed, now other cities are working on park bans. Why? I'm guessing because nobody will fight it. You already gave in before it was even an issue. I still carry in county parks, not to prove a point, but because it's legal and I happen to like going to parks. I suppose I'll get arrested once this park ban is accepted as law, and I'll have to fight that. Or maybe not. Maybe I'll just plea it out like other OC members, Para excepted. |
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Pointman wrote: OpenCarry members stuck to carrying in Milwaukee County Parks being illegal, and not only has Milwaukee agreed, now other cities are working on park bans. Why? I'm guessing because nobody will fight it. You already gave in before it was even an issue. I still carry in county parks, not to prove a point, but because it's legal and I happen to like going to parks. I suppose I'll get arrested once this park ban is accepted as law, and I'll have to fight that. Or maybe not. Maybe I'll just plea it out like other OC members, Para excepted. 29.089  29.089 Hunting on land in state parks and state fish hatcheries. (1) Except as provided in no person may hunt or trap on land located in state parks or state fish hatcheries. (2) Except as provided in 1]sub. (3)[/url], no person may have in his or her possession or under his or her control a firearm on land located in state parks or state fish hatcheries unless the firearm is unloaded and enclosed within a carrying case. (3) A person may hunt deer, elk, wild turkeys, or small game in a state park, or in a portion of a state park, if the department has authorized by rule the hunting of that type of game in the state park, or in the portion of the state park, and, except as provided in if the person holds the approvals required under this chapter for hunting that type of game. Last edited on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 04:38 am by springfield 1911 |
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Pointman wrote: Things are sliding downhill in South Milwaukee from the sound of the "business ban" signage, and nobody wants to appear in person and protest, just complain online. Did I not show up and speak with some council members about the ordinance? It was sent back to committee. Hopefully, it will be killed there. People have griped before about "having" to dress a certain way when I suggested less trouble seems to follow people who dress better. Why is this? It is a matter of principle, is that not one of our great strengths? Are we just a bunch of whiners who refuse to dress respectably or show up to defend our rights once in a while? Dress respectively, reasonable regulation, the terms are ambiguous and not indicative of what everyone or even a sizeable number of the population think is reasonable or respectable. On a COMPLETELY unrelated note. During the Greenfield picnic I spoke with a few hunter safety instructors, but I forgot their screen names  . If those individuals could send me a PM I would appreciate it. And the IHOP incident is being written up. |
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I don't know if you spoke with council members, you only said, "I thought the meeting was kinda short, I didn't even get to say anything," and "There were two other gentlemen there, but after it was announced that we were discussing the open carry ordinance things kinda fell apart and the two individuals began conversing among themselves after receiving a copy of the new proposed ordinance...while the aldermen conversed among themselves and ultimately very little input was offered by the public to the council." So we have that, and your comment on appearance being completely dismissive. That's the standard OC members have set for themselves? On-line b*tchy bums? Posting information on OC is one thing, getting something accomplished is another. I don't see much difference between OC parties and any other back-yard gathering. What positive ground was gained? Positive media attention is good, but short-lived. If there was an OC party every week it wouldn't accomplish anything. On the other hand, if people regularly carried to family gatherings, graduations, the grocery store, that would be something. Drawing another 5,000 people to OpenCarry.org does nothing if the members don't show up in front of politicians. We need to show up at local meetings and make an impression on politicians. Writing a letter is good, but making a politician justify their position in public is quite a different thing. |
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blah blah blah. We aren't doing things "Pointmans" way. What a surprise. As for bitchy whinners, you complain more than anyone else. Maybe if you stuck to offering suggestions and being part of something positive instead of knocking everything other people are trying to do, the ghost of "pointman" wouldn't have such a poor reception on here. You may not like what other people do... Fine. That doesn't stop you from going out and doing what you want to do. Now there's a thread for everything, no thread stays even close to on topic, Yeah, um, thats called conversation bro. I've been a part of several forums ranging from politics to motorcycles, and threads rarely stay on topic. I had several OCDO members over to my house on friday to hang out, and we'd start talking about one thing and 10 minutes later were onto another. Thats kinda how communication between people goes. Thats how on-line communities go. People aren't robots. They'll be more participatory in things that involve a bit interpersonal relationships. It appears to me, friendship might be something you don't have a good concept of, but "friendship" leads to trust, and trust leads to participation. Give it a try sometime "pointman". I don't read OpenCarry near as much, and I still blame it on the loss of member moderators that seemed to make the sight much more "tight." Well "pointman" the internet is boundless (and cheap) you are free to start a forum, moderate it as you please. Certainly with your penchant for omniscience, that forum would be a shiny star in the quest for freedom and you wouldn't even need OCDO. I'm not sure what your definition of "tight" is, but to me, it sounds like a stick up your ass with your nose in the air. There are many people on this forum who are meeting, talking, establishing trust and communication, planning things, and fostering knowledge amongst themselves. They haven't formed a group and given themself a special name, but we've learned a lot from each other and best of all, we can trust each other. And I'll tell you it is a lot easier to get someone to show up for something when you know and trust them than it is when you are just dealing with a username on an internet board. I'm really sorry you are so short-sighted that you don't see the value in getting out and meeting your fellow OCDO members. Thats a shame. Good people. We can debate the public relations value of a cookout all day long, but there is no doubt the value of a personal relationship with people who share similar views as oneself. Give it a try sometime. Oh, and as for South Milwaukee, it just so happens that a long-haired, non-clean-shaven freedom minded individual, (you know, the kind you don't think fits the bill) went to the meeting and spoke with city officials and was able to share extensive amounts of information with them. Again, something you might know if you ever got to know anyone on here instead of belittling everying everyone else did because it wasn't you or a "wisconsin patriot" doing so. |
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I said I did not speak at the meeting, not that I had not spoken with the alderpersons. You are the one who told me not to assume things, falling into your own pitfalls there are you? And as far as the dress code you wish to continue to press upon everyone, for every person you name who wears a suit and is respectable, I can name five who wear suits and are quite the opposite. "Most" people wear suits because they wish to convey truth and honesty while lying thru their teeth, ie politicians, businessmen, criminal defendants, bridegrooms, etc. We are getting things done on OpenCarry, you seem to be the one downplaying all the head way being made and are one of the only people I know of actually trying to STOP OC events. Why? I don't see much difference between OC parties and any other back-yard gathering. Then you need bigger glasses than the ones you are currently prescribed. What positive ground was gained? Networking, and some are broken into the act of OC at these social gatherings. That great article about how no violence of any kind broke out at our gatherings, yet the memorial day event downtown had a few gunshots and fights all over. Do you think this contrast could have been made had we "followed suit" (pardon the pun ) and done as you said? No, it would not have.Positive media attention is good, but short-lived. If there was an OC party every week it wouldn't accomplish anything. On the other hand, if people regularly carried to family gatherings, graduations, the grocery store, that would be something. Why not do them all? Why are only the ones YOU think are worthy of our time and effort to be attempted? Drawing another 5,000 people to OpenCarry.org does nothing if the members don't show up in front of politicians. What is it with impressing politicians? Let us impress the people and politicians will take note. If you have to impress someone, impress the sovereigns, the people. Don't pander to servants, or they may get ideas of grandeur.
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Max Regular Member
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Pointman
Great. You get it. It is my hope the rest of Wisconsin is as insightful as you. There is no difference between an OC event and any other back-yard gathering. An OC event is simply a group of people getting together to meet each other and enjoy each others company. Oh, they just happen to be carrying firearms. As Hubert said, "we are the public". These OC events have generated a lot of positive publicity, free of charge, for the open carry movement. How much good it has done is simply unknowable. Look at what has happened here. Things started with Brad Krause getting arrested, then Jesus' arrests and lawsuit, resolutions to county boards, letters to the editor, letters and phone conversations with elected representatives and LEOs, radio ads, Oc events, people like Nik and many others carry almost everywhere they go. It's all good. The movement is being persued on many fronts. People are doing what they feel comfortable doing, and it's all good. Why be critical of any effort that attempts to protect and expand our rights? I just don't get that. |
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Max wrote:Pointman Actually, things started with the petition drives for the county resolutions and a lot of hard work by those involved in that. At the same time some of us to began to open carry at select locations while gathering signatures on petitions-gun shows, etc. Then Brad got arrested and a great deal of effort was put into getting J.B. Van Hollen to issue the opinion on the legality of open carry. Not to nit pick your post but it is important that everyone understand what has happened in the correct sequence. |
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Max wrote:Pointman Actually, things started with the petition drives for the county resolutions and a lot of hard work by those involved in that. At the same time some of us to began to open carry at select locations while gathering signatures on petitions-gun shows, etc. Then Brad got arrested and a great deal of effort was put into getting J.B. Van Hollen to issue the opinion on the legality of open carry. Not to nit pick your post but it is important that everyone understand what has happened in the correct sequence. |
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Actually, things started with the petition drives for the county resolutions and a lot of hard work by those involved in that. then Jesus announced his intent and began to carry all over Milwaukee and was eventually arrested and never charged firearm confiscated. At the same time some of us to began to open carry at select locations while gathering signatures on petitions-gun shows, etc. Then Brad got arrested and a great deal of effort was put into getting J.B. Van Hollen to issue the opinion on the legality of open carry. The AG declined and said he'd leave it to the courts. Brad was then acquitted by the municipal court judge without any direction from the AG (very good precedent)(but no legal standing) Jesus won his property return case in circuit court which does have legal standing. Jesus began to carry again out in very public places, was arrested again. THEN John Monroe stepped up on behalf of all of us and a federal civil rights lawsuit was filed, and 5 days later, the AG issued the memo. Not to nit pick your post but it is important that everyone understand what has happened in the correct sequence. Indeed! |
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Max Regular Member
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In regards to the point I was trying to make, the sequence is not that important. The point being that any effort to protect and expand our rights should not be attacked because someone else thinks their way is better. I applaud all of those that put forth any effort in this mission regardless of the sequence of their efforts. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Not sure how much anyone is into tabletop gaming/hobbying, but I got this email from GamesWorkshop customer service:We do not have any official policy on firearms in our stores, at this time. Each store manager and staff will have their own policy, which may include asking an armed individual to leave his weapon in his car. There are a lot of younger individuals in our stores and the manager/staff may feel it is safer to not have a firearm in the store. I bolded the section that made me chuckle. This email was in response to my request for clarification after I was asked to leave my firearm in the car. Not sure what the issue was, I was using a retention holster to prevent the crazy gun from leaping out on it's own and shooting up the place. Edit: I'm trying to work it out with them atm, so we'll see if they have to become officially OC unfriendly in time. Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 09:25 pm by Sajuuk |
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OCed at the Taco Bell on 76th and Oklahoma yesterday afternoon. No issues. Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 07:11 pm by GlockMeisterG21 |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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OC'd at a sit-down Pizza Hut way up on 27th street last night. Nobody said anything as I came in. I sat down, looked over the menu and to my surprise saw that they served beer. I just got up and went to the car to put the firearm away. Nobody asked me to leave, but I didn't really want to take a chance with the alcohol thing. Afterwards I went to Target down the road, grabbed some stuff and checked out. It was uneventful. |
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Yup, Pizza Hut sure is sneaky. The same with Noodles... Who woulda thunk it. |
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Sajuuk wrote: OC'd at a sit-down Pizza Hut way up on 27th street last night. Nobody said anything as I came in. I sat down, looked over the menu and to my surprise saw that they served beer. I just got up and went to the car to put the firearm away. Well done! You did exactly the right thing. |
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Sajuuk wrote: I sat down, looked over the menu and to my surprise saw that they served beer. I just got up and went to the car to put the firearm away. I was going to OC at Gryo's West in Waukesha a few days ago with my wife. But I was surprised to see a Miller Lite neon sign in their window. So I had to go in unarmed. There were two cops in there at the time, incidently. So I don't see how cops can carry into a place which serves alcohol. There is no exemption for law enforcement personnel that I have seen in the state statutes. Does anybody have any clues on this? |
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smithman wrote:There is no exemption for law enforcement personnel that I have seen in the state statutes. Does anybody have any clues on this?Wisc. Statutes 941.237 Carrying handgun where alcohol beverages may be sold and consumed. [ ...] (2) Whoever intentionally goes armed with a handgun on any premises for which a Class “B” or “Class B” license or permit has been issued under ch. 125 is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. (3) Subsection (2) does not apply to any of the following: (a) A peace officer. |
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smithman wrote: Sajuuk wrote:I sat down, looked over the menu and to my surprise saw that they served beer. I just got up and went to the car to put the firearm away. I think it falls under the same category as the AG's office saying that a gun in a holster is considered concealed. It's unenforceable because it's impractical. |
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glockmeister obliviously not grock-master lol well said no1 |
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My son retired from law enforcement about five years ago. He started out in Special Forces, after his discharge went the Police acadamy. Spent a short time as a street cop before going undercover nacotics and even murder for hire. Much of this time was with the State B.I. in his state. He even put a couple of dirty cops away. After his retirement he went to Iraq twice to train cops. I read several times on this site about "Looks Like A Cop". This makes my Laugh. Hugh's Picture in downtown Milwaukee looks like my son when he was undercover except his hair was not as long.  When his Ma saw his the first time while undercover almost cried. She said "my god what happened to my beautiful son".So the next time someone says looks like a cop think of this!!! |
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Hugh's Picture in downtown Milwaukee The picture is Jesus. I just took it. |
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JG wrote:
Why do so many people think I am or look like an undercover cop  I was asked if I was undercover minutes before that picture was taken and again when we meet by the river a couple of weeks later. Both times, the individuals refused to believe I was NOT undercover. |
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bnhcomputing wrote: Now personally, I thought Para was DEA Now, that is funny! |
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I went down to Summerfest today for the first time this year, because open carry is not allowed because it is considered a "class B site" but to show my support I still openly carried my holster in plain view. I had a few people come up to me and ask why I was carrying an empty holster. I explained all about open carry to them and gave them the business cards I had printed about open carry and opencarry.org only after did I do this I found out one of the men I was speaking wtih was also an avid member of open carry. So guns are a no go at Summerfest because they are a "class B site" but carry your holsters to show your support. I hope to see more people there I will be there for 3 more days this year. |
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OCed at Wal-Mart on hwy 100 as well as Best Buy and Barnes and Noble on 76th. I was sorely tempted to stop at Southridge mall but didn't have the time. Nothing unusual to report. |
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OC at Webb's in Sussex again. Very nice staff. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Carried at Walmart on 27th by Loomis again today, then had some lunch at their built-in Subway. No incidents except for a pair of young guys looking at me very oddly and sort-of pacing around the checkout area. Maybe I deterred a crime? Not sure. Anyway, haven't had Subway in a while, it was actually pretty good. |
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Went and hung-out in front of Paintball Dave's in downtown Milwaukee today, then walked up to the park to get some popcorn from Mom & Pops. There were a LOT of people walking to Summerfest. A LOT. I hung out with the wife and kiddies and the fountain there, munching on popcorn watching the motorcycle police. No incidents, but I know for SURE a lot of people saw my little friend. |
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Sajuuk wrote: Went and hung-out in front of Paintball Dave's in downtown Milwaukee today, then walked up to the park to get some popcorn from Mom & Pops. You should have let me know. I am a bit out of shape for Dave's, but I bet I can still give you a run for your money! I love that place. Got to tune my paint ball gun down a bit though |
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So I finally actually OC'd for the first time, SOLO on Tuesday at the Pick N Save on Holt/Chase I was so nervous being by myself I'm not sure if anyone noticed but I definatley didn't have anyone stop me . Then I stopped by the Jimmy John's in the strip there and grabbed dinner I'm pretty sure people saw because I had to wait in line and the table there on my right was occupied. I'm getting a little less nervous I carried at the Wal-Mart on 27th today with my kids, I thought it was hilarious that My daughter was excited and saying "Daddy's gonna be proud of you "Sayadina |
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Sayadina wrote: So I finally actually OC'd for the first time, SOLO on Tuesday at the Pick N Save on Holt/Chase I was so nervous being by myself I'm not sure if anyone noticed but I definatley didn't have anyone stop me Excellent! Congratulations on your first time! The nervousness will be replaced with confidence in just a few more trips. Just remember to carry a voice recorder. Carry on! |
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Sayadina wrote: So I finally actually OC'd for the first time, SOLO on Tuesday at the Pick N Save on Holt/Chase I was so nervous being by myself I'm not sure if anyone noticed but I definatley didn't have anyone stop me Welcome to OCDO. Glad to have yet another OC individual. Carry On |
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Awesome! Carry on! If I interpret your post correctly you are female? Excellent. Great to have the opposite sex as an ambassador of freedom also! People need to see that everyone regardless of race/sex loves their rights! |
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Ah, it's not the first time she carried.. just the first time she carried by herself. Anyway, I OC'd at Maria's Pizza this evening. They're on 50-something and Forest Home. Awesome eats, no alcohol. And no complaints. Not sure if anyone noticed, though. Sometimes I don't even notice anymore, it's just part of my cloths. I have yet to run into anyone else, though... |
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OCed at the Ridge theater in New Berlin, Golden Gyros, Barnes and Noble on 76th, and even Southridge mall for about 10-15 mins. My buddy and I just went in to get a hat from Lids. Nothing to report, carry on! |
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It's nice to see that there has been no backlash from people who have decided to OC. I live very near Southridge Mall and have been tossing the idea of going out with my gun so I am very happy to hear of these experiences from other folks near me. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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Carried again at Cousin's on 76th and Layton yesterday. Nothing to report, I've been doing it there for a number of weeks. Nobody has ever questioned it except one time when someone warned me that his friend is big into the ACLU and that he'd probably call the police if he saw me. I just told him thanks for the heads up, but I'm not breaking any laws. After lunch, I disarmed to go to the Gamesworkshop next door. The manager is still trying to decide how he wants to handle it, but him and I are working it out and it sounds like he may allow me to carry. I'll give you guys the update next weekend. He's a good guy, he's just concerned about customer reactions. |
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He's a good guy, he's just concerned about customer reactions. Be sure to share with him that "customer reactions" will be VERY influenced by his reaction. If he and the staff take a "no big deal" approach, customers will relax. Way too many citizens are ALL caught up in the letter of the law. They are sheep who's minds don't think about right or wrong, rather legal and illegal. As such, if they don't know its legal, they might be alarmist and eager to tell the manager. BUT if the manager calmly informs the person that "its totally legal in wisconsin" the alarmist customer will almost all of the time say "oh" and the over-reaction will immediately subside. Once a 'concerned' patron realizes that the manager isn't bothered by it, and that it is in fact "totally legal" they will relax and go about their business. Human minds are funny things when they come across something outside of the norm. Their mind is trying to figure out how to react (and not wanting to over-react) They then look for cues/affirmation from those around them. If they realize other people aren't freaking out, they will not freak out. If the manager exhibits uncertainty or concern, the patron will then exhibit uncertainty and concern as their impulsive reaction to be bothered by it is validated. |
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New to here . Does any one know where i would be able to find a school zone map for the city of greenfield? |
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hunter7jl wrote: New to here . Does any one know where i would be able to find a school zone map for the city of greenfield? Sending you a message in a few min. |
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GlockMeisterG21 Campaign Veteran
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Yesterday I OCed at Best Buy on 76th, Sam's on hwy 100, and Sherper's on hwy 100. Had a great conversation with one of the guys that works there and they are pro-OC. Went there to pick up a new pocket knife. Ended up with http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=60&brand=kershaw Needed to pick one up due to some cities blade length restrictions. |
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote:
What have you heard about length restrictions? I've had officers ask about my knives when I stop at the gas station by my house on the way home from work. 98% of my EDC knives are 3" or under. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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I've OC'd at Sherpers too and the girls at the counter noticed and asked about it. The older lady said "ah ha, I knew you were a cop" and I said "nope" and she said "oh, I assumed with the gun" there was a younger girl there at the counter too. Talked with them for a couple minutes. The older lady said she "see's people OC'ing in here all the time" Also, I got out of the habit of posting my OC locations because most were repeats but I just realized there are some new places. For the sake of summary (as in the other thread) I'll list all the places I've OC'd in MKE county here:
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As far as I have been able to tell if it's 3" or under you should be fine. It's milwaukee and Racine that have that statute. At that point it's not considered a "Dangerous Weapon" and therefore does not qualify for the CCW statute. Here is what you're looking for. 105-34. Carrying Dangerous Weapons. a. "Dangerous Weapon" means any device designed as a weapon and capable of producing death or great bodily harm, any electric weapon as defined in s. 941.295(4), Wis. Stats., or any other device or instrumentality which, in the manner it is used or intended to be used, is calculated or likely to produce death or great bodily harm. The following are dangerous per se: blackjack, billy, standclub, sandbag, bludgeon, nunchaku sticks, throwing stars, sling shot, slung shot, any instrument which impels a missile by compressed air, spring or other means, any weapon in which loaded or blank cartridges are used, crossknuckles, knuckles of any metal, barbed or blade type arrowhead, bowie knife, dirk knife, dirk, dagger, switch blade knife or any knife which has a blade that may be drawn without the necessity of contact with the blade itself or is automatically opened by pressure on the handle or some other part of the knife and is commonly known as a switch blade knife, straight-edge razor or any other knife having a blade 3 inches or longer. Instruments not herein specifically enumerated are none the less considered weapons when they fall within the terms of this definition. I would also like to add that you should never say it's for self-defense. I would say that it's for "utility proposes". I say this because if you do say that it's for self-defense I think that there is a slim possibility that they could get you inder the first line of the above statute since you have the "intent" to use it as a weapon. I could be wrong but I don't want to take the chance. |
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Hugh- you must have seen my post then (the Waukesha list)! I went through this thread tonight. Since I missed a few last night going through Waukesha, it's totally possible I missed some here, too... No incident in my mind is anything short of being asked to leave. Feel free to post more or mention the ones I missed, and I'll update my post as we go. No Incident Gander Mountain - Franklin Bluemels Garden Center - Greenfield Pet Warehouse - Greenfield Pick n Save - Greenfield Stein's Garden Center - Greenfield Target - Greenfield West Marine - Greenfield Best Buy - Milwaukee Boston Market - Milwaukee Dunham's - Milwaukee Fly Fishers - Milwaukee Games Workshop - Milwaukee* George Webb's - Milwaukee Lowe's - Milwaukee Maria's Pizza - Milwaukee Metromart - Downtown Milwaukee Mom & Pop's - Milwaukee Paintball Dave's - Downtown Milwaukee Pick n Save - Downtown Milwaukee Pick n Save - Milwaukee Southgate Theatre - Milwaukee Uhle's Smoke Shop - Downtown Milwaukee Wal-Mart - Milwaukee Golden Gyros - New Berlin Ridge Theatre - New Berlin Advance Auto - Oak Creek Farm and Fleet - Oak Creek Cabela's - Richfield George Webb's - Sussex Ace Hardware - West Allis Home Depot - West Allis Lincoln Contractor Supply - West Allis Pick n Save - West Allis Pro Tan - West Allis Sam's Club - West Allis Walking with dog - West Allis Barnes and Noble - West Milwaukee Menard's - West Milwaukee Walking with dog - West Milwaukee Cousin's - no city given CVS - no city given Walgreens - no city given Mayfair Mall *owner/manager gave the okay Incident Pick n Save - Downtown Milwaukee According to poster -security guard respectfully told shopper a no-gun policy will be in place in the future Pick n Save - no city given According to poster -police were called for poster OCing -detained for 45 minutes IHOP - West Milwaukee According to poster -was asked to leave because "was not a cop" -letters sent back and forth between poster and "higher ups" -manager was told to follow WI law -manager is not looking for another job One poster arrested, no information on when and where. Poster was released with no charges. No Carry Sign on Boston Store at Southridge Mall Bayshore Mall Last edited on Mon Jul 27th, 2009 04:18 am by gollbladder13 |
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gollbladder13 wrote:
****You are urged to check state statutes.**** Wisconsin Statute 66.0409 WI State Pre-Emption of Firearm Laws. (2) Except as provided in subs. (3) and (4), no political subdivision may…regulate the sale, purchase, purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm…unless the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute. |
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Woodchuck wrote: gollbladder13 wrote:Thank you. For some reason when somebody called me out on that on a different forum, I wasn't able to provide what you did. Earlier post edited... Carry on! |
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote: As far as I have been able to tell if it's 3" or under you should be fine. It's milwaukee and Racine that have that statute. At that point it's not considered a "Dangerous Weapon" and therefore does not qualify for the CCW statute. Here is what you're looking for. Thanks for that. I've never had a problem before and on the rare occasion that I was asked what it was for I told him it was for work, cutting open boxes and banding. |
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Sajuuk wrote: After lunch, I disarmed to go to the Gamesworkshop next door. The manager is still trying to decide how he wants to handle it, but him and I are working it out and it sounds like he may allow me to carry. I'll give you guys the update next weekend. He's a good guy, he's just concerned about customer reactions. Edit: removed "no-carry" statement, see post further down Last edited on Mon Jul 27th, 2009 01:07 am by Sajuuk |
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So, I've had quite a few OC experiences recently figured I'd post them. Most of these are repeats most likely Carried at Southgate cinemas, this was a big step for me because, it was for the kids rule movie on Thursday morning. I carried empty holster for a few weeks before actually OCing there. I was worried about the paranoid mothers reactions, but didn't have any problems or comments. Then went to Best Buy that night, pretty un-eventful until an employee came to ask Sajuuk and I if we were "ready for action" I almost missed the comment entirely thinking he was just doing the pushy salesman routine. We went to Greenfield News and Hobby for a model workshop with our kids and had an employee there say it was nice to see people like him around, he wasn't carrying then but said he did carry sometimes . Then we went to dinner at Wendy's with no comments but a couple of double-takes. Sayadina |
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The manager, Jay, at the hobby store actually gave the okay! So, the wife and I carried in there all day today and not one person died. So, if anyone wants to thank him and maybe look at trying a bit of the hobby, go to GamesWorkshop on 76th and Layton. Tell them Ben and Tina sent you and ask for a game demo. I got a handshake from a gentleman at Cousins, too. He must have overheard me talking to Jay and just stopped to say he's on our side. I thanked him and he was on his way. Pretty good day, I think! |
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Sajuuk wrote: So, if anyone wants to thank him and maybe look at trying a bit of the hobby, go to GamesWorkshop on 76th and Layton. Good deal! OT, but what games are you in to? I had a friend that worked at GWS in milwaukee for a few years, don't know which one though (if there is more than one). |
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Brass Magnet wrote: Sajuuk wrote:So, if anyone wants to thank him and maybe look at trying a bit of the hobby, go to GamesWorkshop on 76th and Layton. I play Warhammer 40k. For those unfamiliar, it's a sci-fi tabletop miniatures wargame that involves dice rolls and strategy. They also have a fantasy version and Lord of the Rings. I don't want to sound like an advertisement, though, so... Back on topic, I plan to run some more errands over the weekend, probably do the usual lunch/hobby Sunday with the kiddies. Oh, and I'll most likely be carrying. |
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Carried at the Taco Bell on 27th street yesterday, (across the street from the Walmart near Oklahoma). I hadn't carried in there before, but there were no incidents. Just some wide eyes from an older couple. Oh, I didn't carry for this one, but Mayor Barrett was hanging around 7th and Washington on Saturday afternoon. I had gone up to my dad's and didn't grab my firearm on the way out. I can't carry around there anyway because of the schools, but I did have my holster on when I shook his hand. Not sure if he or his guards noticed, but there was no incident. If they're armed, they must be carrying concealed. |
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Wore my empty holster to my sons' "Forms & Fees" day their grade school, my sons went with. Gun was @ home JIC. (My way of protesting the School Zone) Not a peep from anyone... |
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ROOK_WI wrote: Wore my empty holster to my sons' "Forms & Fees" day their grade school, my sons went with. Gun was @ home JIC. (My way of protesting the School Zone) I do much the same when I go to the post office or to a restaurant that serves alcohol. I keep both my holster and mags on me. I get looks sometimes but that's about it. |
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I was asked to place my gun in the car today at the Ridge Theater in New Berlin. I refused, asked for a refund, and walked out. No Police were called. |
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote: I was asked to place my gun in the car today at the Ridge Theater in New Berlin. I refused, asked for a refund, and walked out. No Police were called. I was under the impression that Marcus Theaters had no policy banning firearms in their buildings. I recommend that you email Bridget Hughes, their Guest Relations Coordinator, at askmarcustheaters@marcustheaters.com
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Sajuuk wrote: GlockMeisterG21 wrote:I was asked to place my gun in the car today at the Ridge Theater in New Berlin. I refused, asked for a refund, and walked out. No Police were called. Thanks for the info bro. I was gonna put a call into Marcus corporate tomorrow but will shoot an email off tonight. I will post any updates as I receive them. |
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Here is a copy of the email I sent out... To whom it may concern, I and a friend recently visited one of your theaters this past Saturday. Specifically the Ridge Theater in New Berlin, WI. After paying admission we went to sit and wait for the movie to start. A short time later I was confronted by 3 employees, one of the a manager named Mike, and was asked to place the firearm that I was legally carrying in my car because of a "No Firearms Policy" that you corporation has. Since I cannot, in good conscience, patronize any establishment that does not recognize my constitutionally guaranteed rights I asked for a refund and left the building. Since then I have been told by a acquaintance of mine who contacted your Guest Relations Coordinator,a Bridget Hughes, that you policy is to follow state and community laws in this case. The Wisconsin Constitution states... Right to keep and bear arms. ARTICLE I SECTION 25. The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose. This can be found here... http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/unannotated_wisconst.pdf As for the community, all local ordinances are preempted by 66.0409(2) which states... Except as provided in subs. (3) and (4), no political subdivision may...regulate the sale, purchase, purchase dely, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation or taxation of any firearm...unless the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute. If this is indeed you policy then all I ask is that your theaters in WI be informed of such so something like this doesn't happen again. All I want to come out if this incident is for you to have a more informed staff and to be able to patronize your theaters again. I thank you for your time and eagerly await your response. Sincerely Name Redacted |
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Carried at Pick n' Save today on 18th and National, A gentleman asked me if I was a store detective or with the police department. When I told him no, I was carrying for my own personal protection we had an interesting conversation about the laws and my reasons for carrying etc. We spent a few minutes talkng while others walked by, it was very positive. Then as I was at the register the cashier noticed as well and commented on my "heat " but just said he couldn't wait to turn 21 to get out and get his own. |
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Not as interesting as some others but i'll relay it anyway. Pulled up to my house on the bike today after work where I always park behind my car which is always parked on the street right in front of my door. We live on a relatively quiet street and many of us park on the street 24/7 with no issues. As I said, pull up to the house (actually yesterday, now) to find a bunch of neighbors milling about my car. As I swing the bike around I immediately notice a ticket under my wiper. Immediately I realize the Milwaukee Parking Nazis had come through. In my neighborhood we can go years without seeing parking checkers and then every once in a while everybody gets tickets for everything under the sun a few weeks. We must be on some rotating list. So I get off the bike, talk to the gathered neighbors and find out that someone on the street had made a complaint about abandoned autos, cars that never move, etc. Mind you, these are not junk cars. Mine isn't new but it's not a beater by any stretch. They apparently determined it was the racist neighbor down the block who isn't happy an African American family moved in next to me. I'm thinking, whatever. Someone's gotta be unhappy with life and call the police over such a minor thing. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, my neighbor's car which was going to be towed (the tow truck was on scene) for abandonment was an almost new Benz in mint condition. Apparently any wacko can call Public works, claim a car is abandoned and off in the tow truck it goes. Anyways, while talking to the neighbors for a bit I find out they think I'm a cop because a few weeks back one of them saw me while carrying my sidearm in the alley loading up a trash bin with brush and weeds. I entertained the idea for a few seconds of letting them believe that thinking it may keep any thugs away, but I figured it would only take one teenager to want bragging rights that he trashed the cop's car or bike (I'd be more pained about the bike actually, a car is an expense that drains my pocketbook, a bike is a luxury to be enjoyed). I had thought for a second about telling them if I ever stepped off my property, I would probably be arrested as I'm in a school zone, but thought better of it as I might do it on accident in the future and don't want to give anyone some potentially damaging info they don't otherwise have. |
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WEll here's the email from Marcus Theaters From: Bruce Olson (bruceolson@marcustheatres.com) Sent: Wed 8/19/09 7:40 AM Cc: Tom Kissinger (tomkissinger@marcuscorp.com)
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Who is this Bruce Olsen fellow? Sounds like there is a contradiction in their policies, Bridge Hughes says it's allowed. Looks like we need to send off a bunch of emails to these people, or start using our Blockbuster cards.... |
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Mugenlude wrote: Who is this Bruce Olsen fellow? Sounds like there is a contradiction in their policies, Bridge Hughes says it's allowed. Seems as if he is the President of Marcus Theaters.... |
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Mugenlude wrote: Who is this Bruce Olsen fellow? Sounds like there is a contradiction in their policies, Bridge Hughes says it's allowed. I would gladly send out an email. I really want to see a few movies this weekend, but if their policy is to violate my 2nd Amendment rights, my money will be better spent somewhere else. |
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Send them out. I'll be checking out what other states have Marcus owned theaters and starting a thread in the other state forums here. maybe we can flood him with emails. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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email sent |
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Threw posts up in the following forums. IOWA MINNrSOTA NORTH DAKOTA NEBRASKA OHIO Guess we'll just have to wait and see at this point. TY all for sending emails out! |
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For us gun totin' hicks who keep droppin our "g's" at the end of words, they also got a lot of fancy eatin' an stayin' places ... and manage for hotel and motel chains. http://www.marcusresorts.com/hotel_portfolio/hotel_portfolio.asp Last edited on Thu Aug 20th, 2009 03:49 pm by Flipper |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Everyone please take a few moments to send out an email to Mr. Olson. Its a few seconds of your day and a few dozen emails will make a difference. |
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Mugenlude Campaign Veteran
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I sent off my email.... |
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pvtschultz Campaign Veteran
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Sent. |
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I had my first negative OC experience today. I was again at the Pick n' Save on 18th and National and was approached by 2 security guards who told me that my firearm was not allowed in their store. Apparently they had some problems with off duty rent-a-cops coming in carrying so instead of singleing them out they made it a policy. I put the groceries I was going to buy back on the shelf, and told my kids we'd go to Wal-mart instead. |
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My email goes as such: Hello Mr. Olson and Mr. Kissinge, A friend of mine was recently told he could not carry his firearm into the theatre. Therefore, I cannot in good conscience patronize a business who does not allow law abiding citizens into their theatres. I certainly hope Marcus Theatres changes its policy on this matter. Sincerely, <protias> |
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Sayadina wrote: I had my first negative OC experience today. I was again at the Pick n' Save on 18th and National and was approached by 2 security guards who told me that my firearm was not allowed in their store. Apparently they had some problems with off duty rent-a-cops coming in carrying so instead of singleing them out they made it a policy. I put the groceries I was going to buy back on the shelf, and told my kids we'd go to Wal-mart instead. Did we not receive something from Pick 'n Save stating that the corporate policy is to allow OC? I can't seem to find the thread right now, can anyone help with that. We fought to get P'nS to allow us to carry, I would call the store manager and have them contact corporate so they know the policy.... actually, if I can find that other thread with a name I will call them myself! |
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I found the thread.... this is the letter I received from Roundy's (owns Pick'n Save) regarding OC on July 17th, 2009.Dear Mr. XXXXX, I will be calling the manager of the Pick'n Save and informing them of this policy. Here is the information I found on the store: Pick 'n Save Milwaukee - 18th/National 1818 W. National Ave. Milwaukee, WI 53204 Phone: 414-389-1090 6 AM - 11 PM |
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I just called and talked to the store manager Rick. He wasn't aware of any incident, and said that they don't have security guards in the morning (based on Sayadina's post I thought it was this morning, maybe it was last night). He said that if he saw someone carrying in the store he would probably ask them to leave, after that I informed him of the email I received from Therese Bailey stating that Roundy's follows all local laws. He said he would contact corporate about the situation regarding allowing firearms, and he would check with security about the incident as he didn't see anything documented about it. He said to give him a day or two and he would call me back regarding the issue. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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Mugenlude wrote: I just called and talked to the store manager Rick. He wasn't aware of any incident, and said that they don't have security guards in the morning (based on Sayadina's post I thought it was this morning, maybe it was last night). He said that if he saw someone carrying in the store he would probably ask them to leave, after that I informed him of the email I received from Therese Bailey stating that Roundy's follows all local laws. He said he would contact corporate about the situation regarding allowing firearms, and he would check with security about the incident as he didn't see anything documented about it. Keep on him. I also shop at Pick n Save, so this is important to me. I have not had any problem at the Brown Deer store, but this could be the start... Let us know what info you get... Just to let you know, I carry a copy of that letter. I guess I carry a lot of paper... |
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I am also in contact with the Watertown Pick N Save at this time, still regards my being asked to leave there on July 7th. I have been speaking with the Asst. Manager (Amber Mallow amber.mallow@roundys.com) this week. She said she will get back to me as soon as she can on the issue and that she is checking with Corporate office. Have not shopped there since the incident so lots of dollars have gone to Walmart and Piggly Wiggly that would have gone to Pick N Save. I made sure she understood that. |
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comp45acp wrote: I am also in contact with the Watertown Pick N Save at this time, still regards my being asked to leave there on July 7th. I have been speaking with the Asst. Manager (Amber Mallow amber.mallow@roundys.com) this week. She said she will get back to me as soon as she can on the issue and that she is checking with Corporate office. Have not shopped there since the incident so lots of dollars have gone to Walmart and Piggly Wiggly that would have gone to Pick N Save. I made sure she understood that. I would get them a copy of the email from Therese Bailey, they can contact them. Or contact Therese and have them contact the store. |
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Mugenlude wrote:comp45acp wrote:I am also in contact with the Watertown Pick N Save at this time, still regards my being asked to leave there on July 7th. I have been speaking with the Asst. Manager (Amber Mallow amber.mallow@roundys.com) this week. She said she will get back to me as soon as she can on the issue and that she is checking with Corporate office. Have not shopped there since the incident so lots of dollars have gone to Walmart and Piggly Wiggly that would have gone to Pick N Save. I made sure she understood that. Yes, I have provided the store management with that email on 2 occasions now, the most recent just a couple days ago at the request of Ms. Mallow. |
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Sayadina wrote: I had my first negative OC experience today. I was again at the Pick n' Save on 18th and National and was approached by 2 security guards who told me that my firearm was not allowed in their store. Apparently they had some problems with off duty rent-a-cops coming in carrying so instead of singleing them out they made it a policy. I put the groceries I was going to buy back on the shelf, and told my kids we'd go to Wal-mart instead. I wouldn't have bothered to put stuff back on the shelves, I would have just left it in the cart and walked out. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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rpyne wrote: Sayadina wrote:I had my first negative OC experience today. I was again at the Pick n' Save on 18th and National and was approached by 2 security guards who told me that my firearm was not allowed in their store. Apparently they had some problems with off duty rent-a-cops coming in carrying so instead of singleing them out they made it a policy. I put the groceries I was going to buy back on the shelf, and told my kids we'd go to Wal-mart instead. I would only hope that my cart was full of good cold foods as well! Nice to see them try to put back $20 of fresh fish . |
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On July 30, 2009 I sent an email to Scott Walker concerning County ordinance 47.05. My email to Scott walker: Milwaukee County Ordinance From: James Gleason (j.gleason@hotmail.com) Sent: Thu 7/30/09 11:33 AM To: countyexec@milwcnty.com .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} County Executive and Candidate for Governor Scott Walker: It appears that Milwaukee County ordinance # 47.05 is in conflict with state statute 66.0409. Could you or a member of your staff request an official opinion from the Attorney General or corporate counsel so that we residents of the state of Wisconsin have the confidence and CLARITY of our rights which we are entitled as residents under the State Constitution. Specifically I would like clarification, that the County ordinance which prohibits ANY possession of a firearm in a county park is pre-empted, because it is more stringent than the state statute which only prohibits possession of a firearm in state parks. Since there are more County Parks than State Parks,this County Ordinance would restrict a law abiding citizens right to carry a fire arm at a more stringent level then the State law. Therefore, the Ordinance should be pre-empted. Sincerely, James A. Gleason 15 Lehner St. Chilton, WI. 53014 |
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The reply I received on August 26, 2009: Open Carry - Milwaukee County From:  1 attachment  SCAN4499_000. (288.2 KB) Thank you for contacting Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker regarding your concern about the enforcement of Section 47.05, Milwaukee County General Ordinances. I am attaching a letter from Corporation Counsel, William Domina regarding this issue. As you see, Corporation Counsel suggests that we wait until the resolution of the court case pending in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin. I wanted to assure you that the County Executive has a strong record on 2nd amendment issues and has a long record of support of concealed carry. Again, many thanks for contacting the County Executive. Have a good day. Darlene J. Wink Constituent Services Coordinator Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker 901 North 9th Street, Room 306 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53233 414-278-4211 fax: 414-223-1375 Attachment: SCAN4499_000.pdf - letter from Corp Counsel.pdf (Downloaded 16 times) Last edited on Thu Aug 27th, 2009 01:55 am by J.Gleason |
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GlocksRfun Regular Member
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I recieved that same email. I almost forgot when and why I sent it. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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Looks like we all got that letter... |
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CC02 Regular Member
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To those questioning Pick n' Save's policy on OC....Roundy's implemented a policy shortly after the OC law was passed that no patron should be allowed to carry in their stores. It is a private business and they have every right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. I work for a security company employed by Roundy's and I have had to turn away several customers for carrying in the stores. It is meant as no harm against your or your opinions, it's just the corporate policy that we must follow. |
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To those questioning Pick n' Save's policy on OC....Roundy's implemented a policy shortly after the OC law was passed that no patron should be allowed to carry in their stores. It is a private business and they have every right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. I work for a security company employed by Roundy's and I have had to turn away several customers for carrying in the stores. It is meant as no harm against your or your opinions, it's just the corporate policy that we must follow. I also got the same e-mail from the same lady when asking about OC in Copps stores. If Roundy's policy is indeed that nobody can OC it would be really nice if the e-mail I got had just come out and said it straightforward. The e-mail I sent specifically asked if there was a company-wide policy on the matter or if each individual location set its own policies. The way the e-mail is worded makes it seem as if Roundy's is okay with OC as king as nobody is bothered by it. If somebody is uncomfortable with OC it seems that Roundy's jumps to the option of involving law enforcement in a situation that could easily be resolved by simply telling me that I am not welcome with my gun. I am a hardcore believer in personal liberty and the right to choose who you want and do not want to cater to in a private business. But, I also support people's right to choose not to spend their money there. Also, what open carry law got passed that caused Roundy's to make a policy change? OC has never been illegal in WI. |
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CC02 wrote: To those questioning Pick n' Save's policy on OC....Roundy's implemented a policy shortly after the OC law was passed that no patron should be allowed to carry in their stores. It is a private business and they have every right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. I work for a security company employed by Roundy's and I have had to turn away several customers for carrying in the stores. It is meant as no harm against your or your opinions, it's just the corporate policy that we must follow.There was no "Law" change in Wisconsin. The fact that the Roundy's corporation does not recognize our rights will be reflected in their profits I am sure. Spread the word! Boycott Roundy's and all affiliated stores |
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CC02 wrote: To those questioning Pick n' Save's policy on OC....Roundy's implemented a policy shortly after the OC law was passed that no patron should be allowed to carry in their stores. It is a private business and they have every right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. I work for a security company employed by Roundy's and I have had to turn away several customers for carrying in the stores. It is meant as no harm against your or your opinions, it's just the corporate policy that we must follow. Cite your source please. Until then, don't feed the troll. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Just a thought. I saw the same email that was posted on here that basically amounted to Roundy's making a big grey area concerning their policy. I have not seen a policy that said they prohibit firearms in their stores, and I carry EVERY week in multiple pick n save stores. I obviously know of people in other locations that have been asked to leave. If I am asked to leave the pick n save stores I shop, I will not shop there anymore. To ANYONE asked to leave a pick n save store PLEASE expend a little extra time to email and or write pick n save, give them your "advantage savers plus" card number (they track what you buy and how much you spend using that card) That way they will see that you no longer shop at their store and see a $ amount of what they are losing out on. Lastly, as this seems to be a random 'store by store' issue, anyone who is asked to leave a pick n save store who would like to organize a protest in front of that store, I WILL BE THERE, gun on my side (as long as you make it sometime on a sunday I'm in for sure) I intend to continue to shop at pick n save armed until I'm asked to leave. At that point I will email corporate my frequent shopper card # and explain I won't shop there any more. In addition, I will organize a protest in front of the store. I would encourage anyone else to do the same. And I'll be there. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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GlockMeisterG21 wrote: CC02 wrote:To those questioning Pick n' Save's policy on OC....Roundy's implemented a policy shortly after the OC law was passed that no patron should be allowed to carry in their stores. It is a private business and they have every right to refuse service to anyone not following their rules. I work for a security company employed by Roundy's and I have had to turn away several customers for carrying in the stores. It is meant as no harm against your or your opinions, it's just the corporate policy that we must follow. Yep, I bet a troll... The letter from Roundys is clear enough for me (ya, I keep a copy of this on me). If no people complain, no problem. If people start to complain, I might be asked to leave. I don't like it, but it does not look like any ban is in place. I carry at the Roundys store near me all the time, and have had no problems at all (yet?). I will let everyone know if this changes for me. Carry On! |
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Rbwhanson Regular Member
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I OC'd for the first time today! Extremely uneventful to say the least, which is a good thing. Made sure I was the last car back in the row I parked in to ensure to not draw more attention to myself than I already was going to. Made sure I took the handgun out of the trunk and lock case and assembled according to Wisconsin laws. Went to the Walmart in Hartford just off of Highway 60 and bought a few things without any issues. Went to the Subway inside as well to grab dinner for the Wife with no issues as well. Got a few looks but no scared looks or anything. But then again I was in my work attire (Dress shirt and tie) so I could have looked like a cop or something. Will go this weekend in my regular clothes and will report back. All in all went as smooth as I hoped. |
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Rbwhanson wrote: I OC'd for the first time today! Extremely uneventful to say the least, which is a good thing. Made sure I was the last car back in the row I parked in to ensure to not draw more attention to myself than I already was going to. Made sure I took the handgun out of the trunk and lock case and assembled according to Wisconsin laws. Went to the Walmart in Hartford just off of Highway 60 and bought a few things without any issues. Went to the Subway inside as well to grab dinner for the Wife with no issues as well. Got a few looks but no scared looks or anything. But then again I was in my work attire (Dress shirt and tie) so I could have looked like a cop or something. Will go this weekend in my regular clothes and will report back. All in all went as smooth as I hoped. Gratz on your first time! Glad to hear you had no issues. Carry on! |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Awesome! I was just thinking today that people don't OC enough. I still go in stores and the clerks say "You're the first person I've ever seen OC" With almost half a year passed since the AG memo, it would be great for people to see it all over. |
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Rbwhanson Regular Member
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Went back today in more relaxed clothes (Shirt and jeans). Same story, no issues. So it may seem that Walmart in Hartford is clear. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Carried in the Target by Miller Park today. First time I carried there. I was approached by the manager with a little security dude in tow. (he was also armed with a radio) He said "I'm sure you have a permit for that, but we have a corporate policy against guns in the store" He was a younger guy, maybe my age or a touch younger. I said "are you sure its a corporate policy?" I said "almost every nationwide retailer has the same policy, and that is that to abide by the laws of the respective state. If you can legally carry in the state, you can legally carry in the store" He said "well, last I heard it was a corporate policy" I said "well I've carried dozens of times in the New Berlin Target and the West Allis Target and management has never said a word" He said something about "looking into it" and I said "ok" and he walked away. I continued shopping (armed) and then checked out a few minutes later. |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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I was just at Target on Chase Avenue in Milwaukee with the wife, both of us armed. We were looking at supplies for the kiddies, so we spent quite a bit of time in the school supply area. A lot of people saw us, nobody said anything. If they really have a corporate policy against firearms, why don't they set up metal detectors to deny entry to all the criminals carrying in their pockets? Or maybe corporate should send them signs to put on the door so we know where not to shop. |
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So, I had to go pick up some last minute items for the kids first day of school tomorrow. () I was going to go to Wal-mart because of my recent trouble at Pick n Save (and because their cheaper ) But as I drove into the parking lot I realized that I was not the only one on the south side of Milwaukee looking for last minute school stuff. So, a quick change of plans and I was walking into the Pick n Save on 27th st. I was pretty nervous but was alone this time and decided if there were any problems, I'd handle them much better this time. I was kind of shocked to see a security guard at the door when I walked in but, he didn't stop me or say anything to me so I went on about my buisness. I pretty quickly picked up the few things I needed and had to back track around the store a bit looking for that one last thing that you usually forget you know and I saw the security guard a couple more times but again nothing was said.I got in line at one of the new DIY registers and noticed the security guard standing behind the terminal, he stood there for the 2 people in front of me and as I scanned and bagged my goods and pulled out my money, he simply walked away. So, I'm thinking he actually was watching me the entire time I was in the store which I believe was OK he didn't hassle me and he watched me NOT breaking the law. It was definitely a new experience. |
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Went back to the Walmart for the 3rd time, this time in a tshirt and shorts....detained. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/30720.html |
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Went out to lunch today with the "hubby" he can't carry at work so it was up to me to "spread the word" alone. We ordered and sat down at Culver's in Oak Creek . A little while later the manager came up to me asked the familiar "are you a cop?" question, I responded no "it's for self-defense" he said he was just checking and went off behind the counter. I began to worry a bit wondering if he was going to call the police, but a few moments later he came back and told me he hoped he didn't offend me, my husband asked if it was a problem he said it was definately not and that I was well within my rights he just had not seen anyone carrying before. It seems that we haven't had positive responses in a while so, I had to post this if anyone finds themselves in the "OC" you might stop by Culver's on Howell and Drexel and show the Manger Steve W. (long polish last name ) our thanks. |
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So, when is the corn roast in Franklin?!! Finally an event close enough for me to attend! |
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McX Regular Member
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Guys, finally found a Avatar that is the real me. Finally learned what the hell an avatar is, and how to use my computer more. All I can say is: Victory is mine! |
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McX wrote: So, when is the corn roast in Franklin?!! Finally an event close enough for me to attend! The winds last month decimated my garden. I have gotten three banana sized ears. Ma nature was not nice. |
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McX wrote: So, when is the corn roast in Franklin?!! Finally an event close enough for me to attend! Hey, I would do one in Milwaukee, but this year, cash is thin... I am not in a school zone (52nd. and Good Hope Rd.), so it would be good for walking around my area OC. Anyway, next year I WILL do an OC party IN the city of Milwaukee. I am thinking of a pig roast. Ya, it is also a play on words. If I had the cash, I would do it now... I think I will hold it in honor of Para. He is a real nice guy, and the first to go the full trip to help protect our rights. Hope he likes pig... |
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Maybe get a permit and close the street and have a block party with the public invited! |
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AaronS wrote: McX wrote:So, when is the corn roast in Franklin?!! Finally an event close enough for me to attend! I would not be in the 52nd & Good Hope area without being armed!! it has gotten a little rough on that end of town lately. I would be willing to offer our equipment to roast several hundred pounds of pork, But you'll need to pick a date early so I can mark it off on our business calendar so we do not book a catering event. |
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Walked to Gander in Franklin tonight - nice & quiet. |
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Recently planned to go to Old Country Buffett near Southridge last week, Thursday I think it was. The whole family was going to be in attendance, so I called ahead. Perhaps in retrospect that was a mistake, but I didn't want to take the chance of making a scene in front of the wife's parents by storming out, and I sure didn't want to leave my firearm in the car for someone to steal. Anyway, the answer was to be expected and it was unfortunate. Their "demographic is elderly people", apparently. I later wrote to corporate to ask about their nationwide policy. Their reply: Thank you for your e-mail asking whether we have a corporate policy on the constitutionality of firearm carry. We do not have such a policy. However, we do ask that firearms not be brought into our restaurants. This is due to the fact that one of our largest group of guests is families with young children. The overwhelming expectation of these guests is that their children not be exposed to weapons of any type. So, I guess we should steer clear of those families that live in rose-tinted bubbles so we don't accidently expose them to our evil ways. |
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Sajuuk wrote:Recently planned to go to Old Country Buffett near Southridge last week, Thursday I think it was. The whole family was going to be in attendance, so I called ahead. Perhaps in retrospect that was a mistake, but I didn't want to take the chance of making a scene in front of the wife's parents by storming out, and I sure didn't want to leave my firearm in the car for someone to steal. No, we should not steer clear of anyone. Respectfully request that you please do not ask permission of anyone. It does nothing but give them the perfect opportunity to say NO. The best thing is to simply act normal and go about your business. That way they get to observe that you are not a threat and don't create panic, crying children, people fainting, etc. |
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Oh, very understandable. My "steer clear" comment was meant as sarcasm. My advance call was also not to ask permission, it was made just to find out their policy. In fact, I told the gentleman that I wasn't asking permission, since it was already a constitutional right. Anyway, the intent of my post was to make everyone aware of Old Country Buffet's non-official policy. Timeline: - Family makes plans for OCB - I make plans to carry, family is worried they may ask me to leave - I want to respect family and have a nice night out - I call ahead, ask local manager about policy - Local manager explains that his elderly demographic would be scared, asks that I not come armed - I email corporate in disgust and attempt to find out their official policy - I come to my brothers at OpenCarry.org and post my findings  |
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Why would you call ahead and ask permission? Ask permission and 99 & 44/100th percent of the time the answer will be no, regardless of what the corporate policy actually states on the matter. |
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http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=26774&forum_id=57&jump_to=557991#p557991 |
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Just picked up a USP .45 yesterday and today was my first open carry "event". Had no incident at a relatively busy Pick N Save on 76th / Good Hope. |
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lockman wrote: Why would you call ahead and ask permission? I agree with lockman, do not ask policies, do not ask permission, do not try to argue your case or to make them understand your views and constitutional bullcrap. Just friggin go do it. there are no laws preventing you from doing so. If they ask you to leave, then leave!! I bet If I were to go ask any business owner in the entire county if I could carry a loaded firearm on my side while patronizing their business, 100% would immediatly say no, but If I go in there carrying, acting like any other patron. Less than 10% would even say anything to me, or ask me to remove the firearm or for me not to spend my money there. Sajuuk, I am not trying to come down on you, but more of everyone that feels they must ask permission to exercise their rights! NO YOU DO NOT!! But they do have the legal ability to ask you to remove your firearm or yourself from the establishment and you should respect that decision without question. |
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lilevo wrote: Just picked up a USP .45 yesterday and today was my first open carry "event". Had no incident at a relatively busy Pick N Save on 76th / Good Hope.Congratulations and welcome to the forum! It will become easier as you go along. Carry On! |
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lilevo wrote: Just picked up a USP .45 yesterday and today was my first open carry "event". Had no incident at a relatively busy Pick N Save on 76th / Good Hope. That is one of the pick n saves I shop at. Did ya see the beer cooler? It is about 1000sq. feet. I have not had any OC problems at the store at all. Are you on this side of town? |
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I was just in the area - I'm from Racine |
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I bet If I were to go ask any business owner in the entire county if I could carry a loaded firearm on my side while patronizing their business, 100% would immediatly say no, but If I go in there carrying, acting like any other patron. Less than 10% would even say anything to me, or ask me to remove the firearm or for me not to spend my money there. Oh Yeah? Haven't seen you at my shop! Watch your mouth sonny! |
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McX wrote: I bet If I were to go ask any business owner in the entire county if I could carry a loaded firearm on my side while patronizing their business, 100% would immediatly say no, but If I go in there carrying, acting like any other patron. Less than 10% would even say anything to me, or ask me to remove the firearm or for me not to spend my money there. A new way to look at "don't ask, don't tell"? It has worked for me so far... |
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