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Thndr Regular Member
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From my reading I am assuming CC at North Carolina Zoo in Asheboro is not allowed, is this correct? Also what are the rules on leaving a pistol in the car for NC. Thanks |
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moonwing Regular Member
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Sadly, you are correct. North Carolina law states that a person with a Concealed Handgun Permit may not use that privilege (funny how a constitutionally guaranteed right somehow became a privilege, but I digress) in certain areas. One of the areas is any place where a person must pay admission to enter. On a side note, there is a LONG list of places where your CCWP is useless. Some of these include; schools, places where a school sponsored function is taking place, any place where alcohol is sold and consumed, any place where you must pay admission to enter, any financial institution and any place where a "NO WEAPONS" sign is posted. In truth, there is really no reason to get a CCWP. It is expensive, it violates your rights and treats you like a criminal even though you've done nothing wrong, it's blatently unconstitutional and it's only legal in a handful of places anyway. What's the point of getting it? As far as your car question is concerned; the law states that you may carry a weapon in your vehicle as long as it is in plain sight and can only be locked up if there is no one in the vehicle. Just keep in mind that if you get pulled over by some liberal cop and he sees the gun in the car, he will probably go ape-@#$% and try to arrest you. Joe |
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razor_baghdad Regular Member 
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moonwing wrote: Sadly, you are correct. North Carolina law states that a person with a Concealed Handgun Permit may not use that privilege (funny how a constitutionally guaranteed right somehow became a privilege, but I digress) in certain areas. One of the areas is any place where a person must pay admission to enter. On a side note, there is a LONG list of places where your CCWP is useless. Some of these include; schools, places where a school sponsored function is taking place, any place where alcohol is sold and consumed, any place where you must pay admission to enter, any financial institution and any place where a "NO WEAPONS" sign is posted. In truth, there is really no reason to get a CCWP. It is expensive, it violates your rights and treats you like a criminal even though you've done nothing wrong, it's blatently unconstitutional and it's only legal in a handful of places anyway. What's the point of getting it? Joe, I know you just came on board and thanks for your support..... Try to find / post cites for some of the info you posted....I've never seen the 'pay admission' and a CCWP is uselss info....also, WHY is the zoo off limits? State funded? City ordinance posted? D |
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moonwing Regular Member
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North Carolina law also prohibits any person carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission or into any establishment where alcoholic beverages are both sold and consumed. Again, the individuals exempted from carrying concealed weapons cited in paragraph III. A. of this publication are similarly exempted under this law. A concealed handgun permit does not allow a permittee to carry a weapon in these areas." From NORTH CAROLINA FIREARMS LAWS Attorney General ROY COOPER http://www.ncdoj.com |
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razor_baghdad Regular Member
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moonwing wrote:
Thanks! I've been around a bit and guess I just ignored that admission part.....I suppose I included that 'fee' part into a bar cover charge.....IADA.. |
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moonwing Regular Member
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As far as the "CCWP's are useless" part, that was an opinion answer. I refuse to get a permit for something the United States Constitution guarantees me the right to do. I'm not going to pay a tax of $90 dollars when I'm guaranteed the right to bear arms already. I refuse to be fingerprinted by the Sheriff's Department when I have broken no law. And ontop of all this, such a permit STILL doesn't allow me to carry anywhere I choose. That's why I think a CCWP is useless. |
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Thndr Regular Member
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That is what I thought just wanted to make sure I interpreted it correctly. As far as CC I am in Va so things are a little different just like you can only CC in Virginia state parks for instance. So I do both CC and OC depends on the mood. |
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KyleKatern Regular Member
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I like having my CCHP. It means no paying a fee for pistol purchase permits. It means I have the OPTION to CC legally outside my home. I have already been fingerprinted at least 2-3 times a year for work related stuff, what is one more? The ONLY down side to it is that EVERY time ANY vehicle registered in your name is pulled over and a plate run, it will pop up that you are a CC permit holder. I OC most days when in my car, but if I go shopping at a store with friends who do not like OC, I CC instead. I would rather stay all OC or all CC, transitioning makes sheeple panic. This means that when I OC, and plan to drive, I transition from hip or SOB to the middle seat, clipped down. This means I can still reach it. A CCHP is a WONDERFUL toll to have in your pocket, and enables more than it disables. In parting, remember this. IF a corporation has a policy that leave guns up to the manager, I prefer to CC at any non posted place that has a history of going after OC folks. That way I reduce the risk of having a public sign up that prevents me from legally carrying in that store. Far far to often, we allow ourselves to be portrayed as the over reactive, impulsive, scary people with guns. Being the nice, every day, honest citizens, with families, hobbies, and lives that we really are, and making sure the general public sees us this way, helps our cause. Always remember, the goal is to be able to go back to any place you walk into, with your LEGAL gun, even if the manager is a gun hating nut job who just moved here from LA. |
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deircrfan Regular Member
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Moonwing, I am from VA that visits NC often, mainly the Outer Banks since the family has a place there. In your post above, you mention that CC is not allowed in places that sell alchohol. Does this apply to grocery stores, 7-11s, etc. that sell alcohol? |
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Jet69 Regular Member
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deircrfan wrote: Moonwing, I am from VA that visits NC often, mainly the Outer Banks since the family has a place there. In your post above, you mention that CC is not allowed in places that sell alchohol. Does this apply to grocery stores, 7-11s, etc. that sell alcohol? No it only applies to places where alcohol is Sold and Consumed. |
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dexcop Regular Member 
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Deircrfan, If you travel to the outerbanks you need to know that they are considered a National sea shore and are under the jurisdiction of the federal govt. Under NC law a firearm is not allowed. We are working to get that changed. Attached Image (viewed 329 times): |
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NCRonB Regular Member
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moonwing wrote:As far as the "CCWP's are useless" part, that was an opinion answer. I refuse to get a permit for something the United States Constitution guarantees me the right to do. I'm not going to pay a tax of $90 dollars when I'm guaranteed the right to bear arms already. I refuse to be fingerprinted by the Sheriff's Department when I have broken no law. And ontop of all this, such a permit STILL doesn't allow me to carry anywhere I choose. That's why I think a CCWP is useless. While I don't necessarily agree with it, I'd like to point out that the NC Constitution specifically addresses carrying concealed weapons: Sec. 30. Militia and the right to bear arms. I guess that makes CC a privilege in NC. In any case, a CHP comes in handy when you don't want to announce to the world that you have a gun... in church, at your kid's friend's birthday party, the neighborhood cookout, etc. It also comes in handy when transporting a handgun... no need to worry about it remaining in plain sight. There's also no need to worry about people freaking out and calling the cops on you while you're grocery shopping. moonwing wrote: On a side note, there is a LONG list of places where your CCWP is useless. Some of these include; schools, places where a school sponsored function is taking place, any place where alcohol is sold and consumed, any place where you must pay admission to enter, any financial institution and any place where a "NO WEAPONS" sign is posted. Guns aren't allowed at all in most of these places, it's not just CC. The only exception is a financial institution; OC is not prohibited there, only CC.  Also, the "no weapons" thing is unfortunately unclear in NC law. The statute says "where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement". In my non-lawyer opinion, a simple "no weapons" notice doesn't meet the statutory requirement. Legal or not, I do business elsewhere anyway.While I agree that there are too many ridiculous restrictions, I think it can be worth having a CHP. Last edited on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 08:23 am by NCRonB |
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lonewolf2810 Regular Member 
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I suggest that anyone who wants to be clear on NC law and related case law purchase a copy of North Carolina Crimes: A Guidebook on the Elements of Crime Published by University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Institute of Government. the latest edition is 2007 You can find it on amazon http://www.amazon.com/North-Carolina.../dp/1560112611 Or directly from the institute of government http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c....t.A/id.1131/.f |
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PT 24/7 Regular Member 
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KyleKatern wrote: I like having my CCHP. It means no paying a fee for pistol purchase permits. It means I have the OPTION to CC legally outside my home.Where did you get this information? My CCP number is the same as my NC Drivers License, but I don't see how this relates to my vehicle registration. I can understand if the LEO runs your drivers license it will show you are a permit holder but I have never heard that your license plate would reveal this. |
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RayBurton72 Regular Member 
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One of the questions on the form when you first get your license plate is for your driver's license number - so somewhere ian DMV's computer system there is a link between the license plate, your name and your DL number. Since we already know that running a DL number will indicate a CHP, it shouldn't be much of a stretch for their computers to flag the same information by plate number. 'Course this can get interesting when the registered name is different from the driver's name |
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PT 24/7 Regular Member
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RayBurton72 wrote: One of the questions on the form when you first get your license plate is for your driver's license number - so somewhere ian DMV's computer system there is a link between the license plate, your name and your DL number. This was my main concern prior to applying for a CCP. Not many years ago I had teenage drivers in my household and did not want to expose them to being treated somewhat differently during a potential traffic stop. The information that I received at the time I applied for my CCP indicated that the drivers license and not the license plate was what revealed that you are a permit holder. Teenage drivers will often take enough risks while behind the wheel, without adding the risk of a LEO misreading the drivers actions during a traffic stop. I am a little extra sensitive to this possibility because I myself as a young driver was once physically removed from my vehicle by a NCSHP trooper during a night time traffic stop. I made the mistake of trying to have my drivers license and registration ready for him when he approached my vehicle. When he reached the drivers window, foolishly I was still looking in the glove compartment for the registration. The trooper, not knowing my intent handled the stop in a very aggressive manner, and forcibly removed me from the vehicle. My point is, if my license plate had indicated that the registered owner was permit holder this experience might have been made even worse. I did not want my teenage drivers exposed in this way. |
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lonewolf2810 Regular Member
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RayBurton72 wrote: One of the questions on the form when you first get your license plate is for your driver's license number - so somewhere ian DMV's computer system there is a link between the license plate, your name and your DL number.I have had my CCW for a few months and for the first time I went to get my Tag renewed after having it I was ask for my DL #. This has never happen before and the car in ? is in both my wife's and my name. So could this be due to me having my CCW permit or is it something new they are doing? I don't think so, so I suguest if you get stopped you better show your CCW permit if you want to keep it. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
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lonewolf2810 Regular Member
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RayBurton72 wrote: One of the questions on the form when you first get your license plate is for your driver's license number - so somewhere ian DMV's computer system there is a link between the license plate, your name and your DL number.I have had my CCW for a few months and for the first time I went to get my Tag renewed after having it I was ask for my DL #. This has never happen before and the car in ? is in both my wife's and my name. So could this be due to me having my CCW permit or is it something new they are doing? I don't think so, so I suguest if you get stopped you better show your CCW permit if you want to keep it. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
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lonewolf2810 Regular Member
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RayBurton72 wrote: One of the questions on the form when you first get your license plate is for your driver's license number - so somewhere ian DMV's computer system there is a link between the license plate, your name and your DL number.I have had my CCW for a few months and for the first time I went to get my Tag renewed after having it I was ask for my DL #. This has never happen before and the car in ? is in both my wife's and my name. So could this be due to me having my CCW permit or is it something new they are doing? I don't think so, so I suguest if you get stopped you better show your CCW permit if you want to keep it. Just my thoughts on the matter. |
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chiefjason Regular Member
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PT, we had a sheriff deputy helping teach my CCH class. He told us he would know if the registered owner of the vehicle had a CCP BEFORE he approached the vehicle so we needed to be sure to notify the officer immediately. He told us it came up when he ran the tag. So keep that in mind. I have the same concern with my wife's van, it's in my name. |
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PT 24/7 Regular Member
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Will do. Thanks! |
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