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Braveheart_NJ Regular Member
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The problem with the gun debate is that the media and our corrupt, criminal politiians get to make their gun ban argument when the listener is safely inside their home behind locked doors, and with really nothing to fear. Its an easy sell for the mostly idiot public out there. Gun groups have never understood that, and cannot compete with a corrupt media that just succeeded in electing a socialist president. Here's an idea anyone can easily put into use. What our pro-gun organization did here in NJ was to print small self-adhesive vinyl labels of about 1 in. tall by 4 in. wide. They were printed from waterproof bumper sticker material. One a white background we hade the statement: "Look Around You ....... .... The Nearest Cop Will Never Even Hear Your Screams" First line in Blue, second in blood red, and in a horror style type font. then in small print we had "Citizens Committe For Self-Defense, and our address" We printed thousands and tried to get NRA and state NRA organization to back the idea but they couldnt care less, as anyone familiar with NRA can understand. Too controversial they said. We had members put them where the public would find them - All ALONE. Like in phone booths, taxi stands, dark and crime ridden areas, etc. And it scared the living @#$% out of people. We got calls and letters from outraged public saying that they were very frightened by the message and that it was unfair. Politicians got to some of the larger gun groups leadership to find out who was behind it and criticized our actions. One woman said she was making a phone call and was so terrified thinking she might be attacked that she had to hang up the call and leave it made her so nervous. And that's what its all about. If you want to make an impact, make the public realize their vulnerability. The copy on the sticker is about the most frightening I could come up with and was very effective. Give it a try. Its very cost effective. Bill NJ |
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TatankaGap Regular Member 
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Wow, what an effective 'guerrilla' marketing effort ~ well done - gives good food for thought to the other open carry activists such as myself - thanks ~  |
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Huck Regular Member 
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And it scared the living @#$% out of people. We got calls and letters from outraged public saying that they were very frightened by the message and that it was unfair. They'd be even more frightened by a attacker, who would'nt be "fair" either. Wake up sheeple! Politicians got to some of the larger gun groups leadership to find out who was behind it and criticized our actions. Of course they did. The sheeple might realize that the police and politicos cant protect them after all and demand the means to protect themselves. I like it, it's a good idea. |
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2a4all Regular Member 
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Free speech? OK, but it ranks right up there with yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. I'm a bit surprised that no one has (yet) seen this as a terrorist act. |
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400HP Regular Member 
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2a4all wrote: Free speech? OK, but it ranks right up there with yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. I don't think so. Although I would think somebody might try to accuse the group of either grafitti, or vandalism. I like it. They are doing nothing but pointing to reality. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member 
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Braveheart_NJ Wow, just wow. Spectacular advertising, I love it. 2a4all wrote: Free speech? OK, but it ranks right up there with yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Only if you tried this in Boston would they try to see it as a terrorist act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_Scare |
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TatankaGap Regular Member
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Such a bumper sticker is free speech and protected by the 1st Amendment - for political expression - Yelling fire in a movie theatre is different - that is a reckless use of speech known to cause panic and stampeding, immediate physical harm - there is no such threat when someone gets 'scared' by a bumper sticker - especially when it contains truthful info - If antis or sheeple want to do something, they can print up their own bumper stickers and put them around - maybe something like: "Don't pay attention to that other bumper sticker - it's real safe here in this lonely dark phone booth in the middle of no where - start praying now!" |
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TatankaGap Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo wrote: Braveheart_NJ My favorite quotes from the 2007 Boston story: "the police found that the device shared "some characteristics with improvised explosive devices", with the notable absence of actual explosives." "As [their lawyer] Rich had advised them not to discuss the case, they spent the entire conference discussing and inviting press questions about hair styles of the 1970s, and ignoring any questions relating to the bomb scare." "one 29-year-old blogger as writing "Repeat after me, authorities. L-E-D. Not I-E-D. Get it?" " Congressman Stephen Lynch claimed that the Mooninites were part of a sleeper cell that also included SpongeBob Squarepants. "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_Scare#cite_note-24][/url] |
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TFred Regular Member
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TatankaGap wrote: Such a bumper sticker is free speech and protected by the 1st Amendment - for political expression - Actually, adding that second sticker next to the first would probably increase the effectiveness, as it does nothing to diminish the first, but does expose the anti-gunner mindset as a fraud. TFred |
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SouthernBoy Regular Member 
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Try this one. "In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?" I find this works in making anti's and similar types squirm a bit. More fun can be had by substituting "your child" for the first person subject. |
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paramedic70002 Regular Member 
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That sign just beats the pants off VCDL's "GUNS SAVE LIVES" bumper sticker. Got a pic? Or better yet, taking orders? And the most important question: Did the campaign have the desired effect? Last edited on Mon May 25th, 2009 04:28 am by paramedic70002 |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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paramedic70002 wrote:
I'd rather have the slogan as my morale arm patch for my coat. |
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PT111 Regular Member 
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I can see how that sticker would scare the stuffings out of some people and take it as a threat although I do think it can be very effective. Rather than just the name and address of the committe a line about don't you need to be armed or something to point out that it is not a threat could be added. I know if I found one in a phone booth I would be looking around to see if there was an actual threat right then. Sometimes we can shock people too much. |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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Might it look something like this? Or perhaps this:  or even this:  Last edited on Mon May 25th, 2009 06:57 pm by MetalChris |
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TatankaGap Regular Member
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Stickering Campaigns work! It's also good to show the politicians that the NRA doesn't 'control' any gun rights advocates ~ it's not like they can just go deal with the NRA, make a political deal and that's that (like in the enviro movement where if NRDC or Sierra Club gets bought off, the activists on the ground get left in the lurch) - So the more independent grassroots activism the better, IMHO -  I had a good experience with a stickering campaign in NYC in the late 90s - we bought about 20,000 mylar stickers with our messaging and names/addys and handed them out to activists by the roll and told them to sticker away ~ People fanned out in small groups and stickered phones, phone booths, parking meters, subway stations, buses, you name it ~ and they made an impression - no one complained; no one was hassled - and in the end, some of the stickers ended up staying in place for months ! I highly encourage people to chip in on some large rolls of stickers and distribute them and maybe do an Open Carry stickering campaign in a place where the issue is really hot ~ like San Diego, Sacramento, Wisconsin,.... y'all know where the hotspots are - I leave that to others - Should be fun  |
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Armed Regular Member 
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I LIKE IT!! |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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For those of you that are interested, the above images were created in MS Word using 20 pt "Calibri" font for the top line, and 30 pt "Chiller" font on the lower two lines. Just an issue of having a good printer and getting labels, and you're good to go. |
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Sonora Rebel Regular Member 
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I've seen one here... 'My Honor Student Kid Also Carries a GUN!' |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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SouthernBoy wrote: Try this one. I've actually posed a similar question to anti's, and they simply cannot make a choice between option "A" or "B". Instead, they always claim that the question is "irrelevant", "ignorant", or "stupid". Of course, they can never explain WHY the question is "irrevelant", "ingorant", or "stupid", only that,"it just is". |
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KS_to_CA Regular Member
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Braveheart_NJ wrote:
California, what do you think? Sounds like a good idea. |
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KS_to_CA Regular Member
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MetalChris wrote: Might it look something like this? You might want to add the photo of the hooded man. Like the one from the crossbreeds holsters. Last edited on Tue May 26th, 2009 04:09 am by KS_to_CA |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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What do you folks think about a sticker like this for inside a restroom stall door? "It has been estimated the 2.5 Million crimes are stopped or prevented each year, with a firearm. If you were assaulted, right now, are you equiped to stop it?" Now is that thought provoking, or what?  |
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TFred Regular Member
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Task Force 16 wrote: What do you folks think about a sticker like this for inside a restroom stall door? Well you would certainly have a captive audience, if only briefly!  And it's better than magic marker saying "for a good time, call ........" Just some additional thoughts... You do need to keep it short and to the point, but un-cited statistics tend to just irritate me. Seems you would gain credibility if you had a fine print at the bottom citing the source for that estimated number. Also, you don't want to point to any one particular organization (unless you, as the distributor of said stickers, actually speak for them, or have their blessing to distribute their name in this mannor) but it may also be nice to list two or three pro 2A/ self defense web sites to give them something to look at if they want more info. TFred |
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FMCDH Regular Member 
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The one problem I have with this is the "tagging" factor of damage or the mess left behind on public/private property. Stickers are either stik-em backed paper or a mix of paper and plastic, but universally, especially after a time, they adhere to whatever surface they are put on and leave a mess behind if one attempts to pull them off. I don't know about you, but I personally consider anything that leaves behind a permanent or semi permanent byproduct that requires manpower or a special chemical to remove to be defacement of public or private property. I don't think its a good for the OC or any 2A rights group to get an image of that of "taggers". My suggestion, if you want to go the "sticker" route, is to use glass/metal vinyl stickers that do not leave a residue and can be moved or re-moved as needed. I see the advantages of this being two fold.... 1) They can be put nearly anywhere and leave no damage or residue to a surface, keeping the individuals from being labeled "vandals". 2) Someone who likes them can take one home, put in on their own car or window, or can just re-locate it to somewhere they think needs the message. In a sense, viral advertising in the "open source" style. If you don't know what I am talking about when I say vinyl stickers, the little vinyl labels that the "Jiffy Lube, Grease Monkey, etc. places in your windshield after changing your oil to remind when you next change should take place, thats what I am talking about. One company that I know of that does this is...http://www.dscsigns.com/ |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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FMCDH wrote: The one problem I have with this is the "tagging" factor of damage or the mess left behind on public/private property. Stickers are either stik-em backed paper or a mix of paper and plastic, but universally, especially after a time, they adhere to whatever surface they are put on and leave a mess behind if one attempts to pull them off.Agreed, we certainly don't want to be thought of as vandals. |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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KS_to_CA wrote: MetalChris wrote:Might it look something like this? I like it. Unfortunately I don't have any photo-editing software, so my capabilities are very limited. I betcha someone here could do it though. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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iRoo to the rescue...   |
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6L6GC Regular Member 
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Sonora Rebel wrote: I've seen one here... 'My Honor Student Kid Also Carries a GUN!' that is good!! How about: "My well armed and trained honor roll child can shoot your crack head, thug-wanna-be punk of a kid while he's trying to break into the house." uh, yeah, maybe it's too long. |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo wrote: iRoo to the rescue... Don't get me wrong, those are all cool and stuff, but I fail to see how a dude sitting on some steps listening to his iPod is a threat. Here's something that I literally threw together in MS Paint  |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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MetalChris wrote: Don't get me wrong, those are all cool and stuff, but I fail to see how a dude sitting on some steps listening to his iPod is a threat. Said person is making a hand sign which I cut out. |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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I can pretty much see his hands...looks like he's just chillin. Call me a little liberal PC douche, but I also couldn't help but notice that all of your creations featured people of color. I think maybe the best route might be some anonymous dude in a hoodie...I have yet to find a good graphic, but I know they exist. |
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Braveheart_NJ Regular Member
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Time to learn more about the 1st Amendment stupid. |
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Braveheart_NJ Regular Member
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Outstanding - make a ton and get them out. And while someone will also find a problem the legality of "tagging," remember that your politicians are working full blast to destroy our 2nd Amendment rights and could care less about the legality of that. We've been playing by the rules of the enemy folks, and that is why they keep winning. Bill |
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forever_frost Regular Member 
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I like it. I'd love to order some. |
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Dispatcher Campaign Veteran 
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Handing out stickers is legal and is protected by the first amendment... However, placing stickers all over public or private property may not be legal where you live. You may be free to hand them out, but sticking them on payphones, public buildings, , private buildings, etc? I'm not commenting on what is right or wrong about placing these stickers on public/private property. This is not a moral compass check nor me passing judgement. I'm also not debating the effectiveness of this campaign. I am just saying, check your laws about placing stickers and attaching anything to any property before you do it. In many areas it could be considered tantamount to destruction or defacing of public/private property. In many areas the charges, if you are found guilty of them, could bring hefty fines or even jail time. Again, not I'm not judging anything here. Just passing out some advice, check your laws. Disclaimer (LOL): If I misunderstood what you said about "placing" the stickers I apologize in advance.  Last edited on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 06:25 am by Dispatcher |
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useful_idiot Founder's Club Member 
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Where did all the images of the stickers go?  |
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KansasMustang Regular Member 
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2a4all wrote: Free speech? OK, but it ranks right up there with yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.You sir are a zombie. Methinks you're a kool-aid drinker. You're nothing more than a parasite. Go away boy ya bother me. |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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useful_idiot wrote: Where did all the images of the stickers go? They're back...the image host went down for a couple of days... |
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