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TylerEMT Regular Member
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My tail light when out again (I think its got to be the fuse) and I got pulled over by a Northern Arizona University cop ( I wasn't on campus so it was ok to have my gun). You could tell he didn't deal with people with guns very often seeing as he's a campus cop. I told him I was armed, he wanted to know what and where. I told him it was on my hip. He said ok, would you mind taking your seat belt off and stepping out just while we do our business? I told him that was fine. Before I reached for my seat belt I let him know I was reaching by the gun to undo my seat belt. He watched me unbuckle and I stepped out. He asked if I had a round in the chamber, i told him I did. He played a little back and forth in his head then decided to have me take the gun out with two fingers and lay it on my seat. He then told me I had a tail light out and he'd just write me a warning and I'd be on my way. He then seemed a little nervous when he realised he was leaving me near the gun to go back to his car and asked if I wouldn't mind letting him hold it while he finished up. I was fine with that. He came back gave me a warning and let me have the gun back. He let me holster it right in front of him. We talked guns for 10 minutes or so, then we were on our way. All and all, for being disarmed it was actually probably the best stop I've ever been on that end of. I was able to talk guns for a bit and it was mildly entertaining watching someone who was obviously a gun lover try to figure out how to handle a teenager he didn't know with a gun. |
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MarlboroLts5150 Regular Member 
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TylerEMT wrote: My tail light when out again (I think its got to be the fuse) and I got pulled over by a Northern Arizona University cop ( I wasn't on campus so it was ok to have my gun). You could tell he didn't deal with people with guns very often seeing as he's a campus cop. I told him I was armed, he wanted to know what and where. I told him it was on my hip. He said ok, would you mind taking your seat belt off and stepping out just while we do our business? I told him that was fine. Before I reached for my seat belt I let him know I was reaching by the gun to undo my seat belt. He watched me unbuckle and I stepped out. He asked if I had a round in the chamber, i told him I did. He played a little back and forth in his head then decided to have me take the gun out with two fingers and lay it on my seat. He then told me I had a tail light out and he'd just write me a warning and I'd be on my way. He then seemed a little nervous when he realised he was leaving me near the gun to go back to his car and asked if I wouldn't mind letting him hold it while he finished up. I was fine with that. He came back gave me a warning and let me have the gun back. He let me holster it right in front of him. We talked guns for 10 minutes or so, then we were on our way. Just a quick question......You stated you Weren't on campus. Were you on University property? If not, what authority did he have to pull you over in the first place? His authority stops at the property line. And, according to your post, YOU disarmed yourself at his request. He did NOT disarm you. There is a difference. |
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TylerEMT Regular Member
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I was actually about 2 miles from campus... I don't think jurisdiction is really that big a deal among the police agencies in this area. Everyone seems to really get along. I see county, city, and state pulling over people all over the place. He's still an Arizona POST certified police officer and has the authority to conduct traffic stops when he sees an offence. I think they have take home cars, so he was probably on his way home. I guess I did disarm myself... I don't know what he would have done if I refused, not that I would ever try... |
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MarlboroLts5150 wrote:
He is certified by the State of Arizona as an Arizona Certified Peace Officer. He can enforce AZ laws throughut the state. Now, you are right, his area of responsibility and concern is the NAU campus. The School Copper sounds like he was either a) really new, or b) just really sheltered and inexperienced due to his job assignment. He did not have any clue how to handle an armed citizen. At least it ended up rather cordial. At least, with your cooperation, maybe he learned something and will 'do better' next time. |
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MarlboroLts5150 Regular Member
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AZkopper wrote:
True that. |
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MarlboroLts5150 Regular Member
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TylerEMT wrote: I was actually about 2 miles from campus... I don't think jurisdiction is really that big a deal among the police agencies in this area. Everyone seems to really get along. I see county, city, and state pulling over people all over the place. He's still an Arizona POST certified police officer and has the authority to conduct traffic stops when he sees an offence. I think they have take home cars, so he was probably on his way home. I guess I did disarm myself... I don't know what he would have done if I refused, not that I would ever try... Valid point....didn't think of that when I read the origional post. |
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smoking357 Banned 
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AZkopper wrote: He is certified by the State of Arizona as an Arizona Certified Peace Officer. He can enforce AZ laws throughut the state. If he were hired by another department, sure. Campus cops typically have jurisdiction only on campus and for one block outside of campus. He can't drive down to Tucson and start enforcing traffic laws. |
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Notso Activist Member
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Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? |
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lostone1413 Regular Member
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Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? That is a very very good question I for one say nothing never have never will |
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ccwinstructor Centurion Member
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lostone1413 wrote: Notso wrote:Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? He was carrying openly. If I thought an officer would observe that I were carrying, and I carry openly a good bit, I would inform him of the fact that I was armed as a courtesy and to prevent surprise. I have gone both ways on this. It depends on the circumstances. Several states, such as Texas and Utah, require that you inform the officers that you are armed if you are carrying a concealed firearm. |
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JoeSparky Centurion Member 
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ccwinstructor wrote: lostone1413 wrote:Notso wrote:Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? Utah DOES NOT require one to inform and has not for at least a full year. Utah also allows CC Permit holds to carry on campus of ANY state school, that is K-College. Utah also has no concealed requirement.... the permit mearly ALLOWS one to conceal-- it does not require it. |
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N00blet45 Regular Member 
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At least everyone went home without being put in hand cuffs and without physical injury. What more could you ask for? I wonder what he would have done if you refused to disarm yourself. Would he have had legal authority to force you to comply? I wouldn't take offense to him stopping me to let me know that my tail light was out but I would question whether he had the authority to officially do so. Since it most likely wasn't an authorized stop he wouldn't have any legal authority to disarm you. I don't know the laws of Arizona so I may be mistaken. |
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AZkopper Regular Member
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N00blet45 wrote: At least everyone went home without being put in hand cuffs and without physical injury. What more could you ask for? Again, he is a certified law enforcement officer in the State of Arizona. He has the authority to stop you, whether he is on the NAU campus, or driving through Yuma on the way to a training class. I know what I speak of on this, lets please drop this angle. |
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ccwinstructor Centurion Member
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JoeSparky wrote: ccwinstructor wrote:lostone1413 wrote:Notso wrote:Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? Glad to hear it. It is hard to keep up with all the changes in the law. It is good that most of them are in the right direction for a change (with regards to carry of firearms). |
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GWbiker Regular Member 
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AZkopper wrote: N00blet45 wrote:At least everyone went home without being put in hand cuffs and without physical injury. What more could you ask for? I believe this link will help clear up everything..... https://www4.nau.edu/police/Mission_Statement.htm#authority |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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What would have happened had you refused? You were rewarded for giving up your rights, and would most likely have been punished for asserting them. It is merely an assumption, but an educated one, that you would not have gotten a warning, but a citation. |
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N00blet45 Regular Member
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GWbiker wrote: I believe this link will help clear up everything..... My previous argument regarding authority for a stop is now void of a valid point. Thanks for the link. No one ever said that expressing your rights would be convenient. |
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rolexbenz190e Regular Member
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This is a little off topic... But I thought I was the only OC forum member up here in Flagstaff!!!! I'm glad to know I'm not the only one   |
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smoking357 Banned
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Notso wrote: Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? Bingo. |
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JoeSparky Centurion Member
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ccwinstructor wrote: JoeSparky wrote:ccwinstructor wrote:lostone1413 wrote:Notso wrote:Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? Addirtionally, as of May 12, 2009.... If you can legally possess a firearm and are in a vehicle you own or are authorized to use, you may without a concealed carry permit: have a loaded or unloaded firearm concealled or not concealled while in said vehicle. The gottcha is if you don't have a permit and get stopped within the 1000 foot school zone boundry then IF YOU PUT A FOOT ON THE GROUND WHILE YOU HAVE THE FIREARM IN YOUR POSSESSION, YOU HAVE JUST VIOLATED THE LAW!!!! |
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HankT State Researcher 
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ixtow wrote: You were rewarded for giving up your rights, and would most likely have been punished for asserting them. Hardly an "educated" assumption. Just a guess, seems to me. No way to support or reject it. Therefore, it falls out as insignificant, speculative.... Seems like a decent stop, though it would have been better without disarming the driver. Also, the question about whether there was one in the pipe is mystifying--any verbal answer is unimportant. Last edited on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 03:15 pm by HankT |
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Thoreau Regular Member
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JoeSparky wrote: ccwinstructor wrote:JoeSparky wrote:ccwinstructor wrote:lostone1413 wrote:Notso wrote:Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? Oh REALLY... that's awesome to hear. I hadn't even noticed that little mod to AZ law go through (been watching the 'firearms in your car while at work regardless of what your employer says/thinks' one instead, but haven't seen/heard anything on that recently either.) |
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JoeSparky Centurion Member
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Thoreau wrote: JoeSparky wrote:ccwinstructor wrote:JoeSparky wrote:ccwinstructor wrote:lostone1413 wrote:Notso wrote:Just curious, Why did you tell him you were armed in the first place? Don't be mistaken... I am bragging about recent changes to UTAH law... NOT ARIZONA! |
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Thoreau Regular Member
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Doh! Wishful thinking I suppose =( |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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HankT wrote: ixtow wrote:You were rewarded for giving up your rights, and would most likely have been punished for asserting them. Education by experience is not discredited simply because you lack it or look the other way when the evidence presents itself. Pretend there is no way to support or reject an item, and thusly dismiss it by omission. Lying by omission. Asserting there is only one idea, by omitting all others... Who falls for that old gag anymore? You're always fun, Hank. You make excellent practice for the slight-of-hand deceptions that Liberals/Media tend to play. |
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HankT State Researcher
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ixtow wrote: HankT wrote:ixtow wrote:You were rewarded for giving up your rights, and would most likely have been punished for asserting them. ixtow,....ixtow.... Hey, are you the same ixtow who recently spake: ixtow wrote: A man who puts words in my mouth and then tries to attack me for what he just did, is not a person I have any intellectual fear of. In fact, I find those last 3 words to be oxymoronic. and ixtow wrote: ...You're putting words in my mouth and erecting a straw man to argue with. As such, you discredit yourself and prove your position to be nothing more than that of a Captain Ahab looking for someone's ass to kick. and ixtow wrote: I never said there was. I see you want to put words in my mouth too? The spelling is similar. Darn similar. Izzat you? |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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HankT wrote: ixtow wrote:HankT wrote:ixtow wrote:You were rewarded for giving up your rights, and would most likely have been punished for asserting them. Putting things in bold print doesn't create a correlation, it's used to emphasize a pre-existing one. Do you need more instruction this? You have made no point whatsoever. You asserted that there is no basis of support for an officer rewarding a person for giving up their rights, as opposed to throwing the book at those who assert them. You don't even need to venture into a LEO forum to see it. There are several examples right here. "Just do what The Man says, you deserve what you get for thinking that you have rights." The experiences that precede this are too numerous to require a citation, and fall into the realm of "general public DUH." I have not put words in your mouth by pointing out that you tried to bury that. You fail. Last edited on Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 04:44 am by ixtow |
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protector84 Regular Member
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A lot of people frequently reference the 1,000 foot school zone law. I don't know about Utah law (and btw this is an Arizona forum) but the school zone law is a federal law, not a state law. Here in Arizona, the state school zone law conflicts with the federal school zone law and therefore considering that police officers only enforce state and local laws and the fact that we have "states' rights" means the federal law in most cases won't apply. Arizona law does not prohibit firearms within any specified distance from a school but only states that firearms are not allowed on school property unless pre-approved in a school program or if the firearm is locked unloaded and out of sight in a vehicle before entering the actual school grounds. Clearly that contradicts the federal law which prohibits firearms within 1,000 feet of a school unless the individual has a license. The law is unconstitutional both at the federal and state levels as well. |
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protector84 Regular Member
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Crossfire Jedi Regular Member 
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Good job Tyler, there is no reason to give the police a hard time..even if they are new to the job. Follow instructions and always have a voice recorder handy. http://www.arizonadefensegroup.com Arizona Only Forums |
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JesseL Regular Member 
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I got pulled over on my motorcycle here in Prescott a couple weeks ago. My license plate had disappeared and I had already filed for a replacement with the MVD, but the new one hadn't arrived yet. I was carrying concealed (hard to get my riding jacket behind my holster) and I gave the officer my CWP along with my DL, registration, and insurance info. I don't like giving cops any surprises and I've always found the local police to be very accepting of armed citizens. So when I handed over the stack of paperwork including the CWP, the officer asked if I was carrying and I replied "Yes sir". That was it. He nodded and went back to his car to check out the status of my plate. He came back to let me know that the MVD had already listed my old plate as unusuable and issued a new one and sent me on my way. There was no further discussion about my pistol and not even any show of concern that I had it. I don't think the whole thing could have possibly gone better. I wish all police were as cordial, respectful, knowledgeable, and polite as they seem to be in Prescott. AZkopper, that wasn't you was it? |
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Notso Activist Member
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I had a similar experience in Texas recently. They have a requirement to notify there, so I told him I was armed, he asked where it was(on my hip) and that was the last of it. |
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AZkopper Regular Member
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JesseL wrote:
nope, sorry |
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davesnothere Regular Member
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Years ago, when I was living in Sierra Vista I often considered open-carry, but because my place of work was on Fort Huachuca and it would have been less than convenient, I never did. However, I did know a number of folks that did open-carry due to their off-post work locations and the ease of vehicle storage (even though many of them could have been fired for it). One friend of mine, Tom, told me that he ALWAYS informed officers at traffic stops that there was a gun in the vehicle. Well, not always. The first time he was carrying and didn't inform resulted in his being put on the ground, none too kindly, by the Cochise County Sheriff Deputy who was surprised and threatened by the presence of a gun. The encounter ended in Tom being given back his firearm and informed that its just best, from a courtesy standpoint to inform, just so there are no surprises. Surprises can lead to very bad situations, and even though we are working at exercising our rights, there is no real reason to be an ass about it in my book. I'd sooner inform an officer and avoid a misunderstanding, or worse. |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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CWP in FL doesn't require to inform, and there is also the Peaceable Journey bit that means I don't even need a permit if it's in a container with a cover. Including glove-box or even tupperware. I take it case by case. Does Fuzz have an attitude? Was I actually speeding or doing anything wrong? Do I have a light out I don't know about? If Mr./Mrs. Fuzz has an inappropriate demeanor, asks me 'do you know how fast you were going?' when I was doing 3-5mph UNDER the limit... You can be sure, I'm not going to be nice back. Or a quick walk up to the window "Hey, you got a light out bud." "Thanks!" There are no 'surprises' because I always have my "License, registration, and proof of insurance" ready before s/he gets there. What 'surprise' is going to come up? I'm curious where these 'surprises' come from. Actual event: I was pulled over by the FHP doing 85 in a 65. Yeah, I was late for work! And damn that dude was fast, I hadn't even pulled out my wallet and he was already standing there. "I'd love to get my Registration for you, but it's in the glove-box with my .380." "No problem, just don't point it at me [chuckles]." I got a warning. |
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davesnothere Regular Member
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I'm not sure where the "surprises" come from, but if Tom's experience was true, I'd rather avoid it. Then again, there might be a cottage industry in law suits against departments who have overzealous officers. I'm not the guy to be the CEO of that particular cottage though. I see the point on both sides of the argument, and my side is so close to the "if I'm not doing anything wrong why should I object to the search" argument, that I'm almost disgusted with myself. |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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davesnothere wrote: I'm not sure where the "surprises" come from, but if Tom's experience was true, I'd rather avoid it. Then again, there might be a cottage industry in law suits against departments who have overzealous officers. If there is such a cottage industry, I'm all for it. I don't care what 'good' an officer thinks s/he is doing; crapping on my Bill of rights is not something s/he has any authority or right to do. I don't care how 'earned' s/he thinks it is. I live and work in those same 'dangerous places' where s/he does. Police Officers don't have a more dangerous life than any of the people that the courts have repeatedly stated they have no legal duty to protect... They certainly don't have a 'right' to better protection than I do. [And just a note in advance. I don't care if you want to flame me for that or lecture me on what you think I need to learn. Shut the hell up. Most of them do far more harm than good. this is not directed at anyone in particular, just anyone who wants to give me @$%& for daring to approach the ivory tower and spit on its lies.] Last edited on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 06:11 am by ixtow |
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chesphoto Regular Member
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Sure, there are some bad cops, but most are very good and pro 2nd amendment. They have a tough job, one that I know that I would not want to do. Realizing this, I would definitely inform them that I am carrying, so they know that this is one stop that their life is not in danger. Like I said, tough job. For the record, my son's best friend dad is a cop. He was nice enough to take me and my son out shooting. Because of his kindness, we have another pro 2nd amendment citizen. His son is going to NAU and wants to be a cop like his dad. Of all my son's friends, he is the most level headed, pro 2nd amendment kids that I know. He has told me that all of his dad's cop friends are huge 2nd amendment proponents. I think that we are lucky to be living in Arizona. Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:12 am by chesphoto |
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Just a quick thought... I believe you are better off having the officer disarm you if that's the way the stop is going to go. Obviously he's nervous that you're armed so you pulling your gun out of his holster will only add to that apprehension, at least in my mind. It also gives him an out if things were to go bad... "the guy was pulling his gun..." so I shot him. Good to hear things went well, just trying to provide some food for thought. |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! Regular Member
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march 31 st I was cc with no ccw and I was disarmed by a cop leaving the renaissance festival.some guy with a badge(the cop) walked up to me and my family just steps from the exit and pulled my shirt up and snagged my brand new springfield XD40 and slammed me to the wall and put me in handcuffs. all this infront of my 2 year old son and my friends 6 year old. I ask whats going on they respond with, we had many complaints over the day from workers I said theres no way, u just happened to see it pokeing out for a sec. on the way out,he said nothing. I had no issues all day till this happened and this is a big issue that a man can put his hands on another man and take his firearm and keep it and u cant call the police cause there behind it.I was just shot back in jan. of this year by a few guys drunk in a parking lot all over a parking space in glendale never would I think that would happen to me,so now I allways oc and sometimes cc and this will never change! I urge u to do the same, despite the laws! |
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Racer X Regular Member
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw We don't support criminals on this site. This is a forum for law abiding citizens. |
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irish Regular Member
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Racer X wrote: ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote:march 31 st I was cc with no ccw And you'd know Captain 5 post. Get all the facts before you pass judgment. |
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Why do you refuse to get a CCW? Is it the idea you have to get something to make it legal to conceal? Why would you urge someone, as you stated below, to do something that is against the law, even if you don't agree with the law? ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw and I was disarmed by a cop leaving the renaissance festival.some guy with a badge(the cop) walked up to me and my family just steps from the exit and pulled my shirt up and snagged my brand new springfield XD40 and slammed me to the wall and put me in handcuffs. all this infront of my 2 year old son and my friends 6 year old. I ask whats going on they respond with, we had many complaints over the day from workers I said theres no way, u just happened to see it pokeing out for a sec. on the way out,he said nothing. I had no issues all day till this happened and this is a big issue that a man can put his hands on another man and take his firearm and keep it and u cant call the police cause there behind it.I was just shot back in jan. of this year by a few guys drunk in a parking lot all over a parking space in glendale never would I think that would happen to me,so now I allways oc and sometimes cc and this will never change! I urge u to do the same, despite the laws! |
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irish wrote: Racer X wrote:ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote:march 31 st I was cc with no ccw And Captain 91 posts, what is the additional information that makes breaking the law the thing to do? |
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Racer X Regular Member
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Law enforcement only needs to get one fact straight to prove criminality. One glaring fact was provided in the first sentence. Even a rookie cop who just stepped out of the academy could make that call...I'm not sure what anyone's post count has to do with it. There is a difference between having your rights taken away from you in violation of the law and having your rights taken away from you because you violated the law. Most members here would fall under the former. |
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davesnothere Regular Member
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Sorry, but I have to stand on the side of Racer X, and I myself have very few posts. Not that post count makes someone an authority. It just means they got here first, have more time to post, or possibly like to hear themselves talk. I personally like to hear myself talk. There are some cases in which you can break the law in order to get the laws changed. Or to get law enforcement to stop enforcing the laws because the general public continues to participate in the crime so often that it becomes accepted behavior, so law-enforcement and public office-holders start to look the other way. I don't believe that breaking the law on carry is ever going to be a "look the other way" situation. Violating carry laws too closely borders violent crimes and associates otherwise peaceful carriers with the criminals who perform those crimes. As a result, we have too much at risk to try and participate in any form of civil disobedience as part of an effort to liberalize (classical meaning, not Leftist modern meaning) gun laws. Rather than run around at the Renaissance Festival with guns illegally stuffed down the backs of our pants, we need to have a CCW for that type of carry (until we get Vermont Carry), if the weapon is to be concealed, or simply Open Carry, to remind the citizenry that the Right to Bear Arms is in fact a protected right. I do not think that we on this forum, or anyone else for that matter, are going to accomplish anything if we are breaking the law in order to make new laws. The pro-gun lobby (whether concealed or not) is fighting an uphill battle, and at the moment, there are too many in governments across the country who are either fearful of guns, or simply don't understand peacefully carrying gun-owners. Let's not tarnish our image as law-abiding citizens by breaking the laws on the way to changing them. Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 07:36 pm by davesnothere |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: march 31 st I was cc with no ccw and I was disarmed by a cop leaving the renaissance festival.some guy with a badge(the cop) walked up to me and my family just steps from the exit and pulled my shirt up and snagged my brand new springfield XD40 and slammed me to the wall and put me in handcuffs. all this infront of my 2 year old son and my friends 6 year old. I ask whats going on they respond with, we had many complaints over the day from workers I said theres no way, u just happened to see it pokeing out for a sec. on the way out,he said nothing. I had no issues all day till this happened and this is a big issue that a man can put his hands on another man and take his firearm and keep it and u cant call the police cause there behind it.I was just shot back in jan. of this year by a few guys drunk in a parking lot all over a parking space in glendale never would I think that would happen to me,so now I allways oc and sometimes cc and this will never change! I urge u to do the same, despite the laws! Two things: 1. Was the event premises posted 'No Firearms'? 2. You were carrying concealed w/o a CWP/CCW. You don't say 'where' this event happened. AZ is a Shall Issue' state regarding CWP. There's no excuse. 'Despite the laws' is what got you locked up and your pistol siezed. Now... you'd prob'ly have a problem obtaining a CWP. You are the cause of your own problem. Don't expect sympathy here. |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! Regular Member
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Wow you dont sound very smart to me.I broke no laws and Im not a criminal,he came up from behind me and pulled my shirt up and took my gun, didnt say that he was a cop before he put his hands on me and my weapon, thats dangerous!he didnt give me a ticket or take me to jail nothing,The guy even told his fellow cops right in front of me that my "XD40 was nicer than his glock 9mm".Now 3 months later still no paper work and I call the courts and the station and they dont show anything about me or the case.Thats called stealing last time I checked.You say you dont support breaking laws, do you support stealling just because your a cop? And apparently the cop said there was a sign somewhere in the front but I sure didnt see it.he told me the sign said no weapons, but its funny that people are walking around with 3 ft. swords, hatchetts, ball and chians, big knifes and even bow and arrows. Im pretty sure those are weapons so Im confused and they even sell weapons inside. And no this dosent effect my ccw at all there are no charges with me, just a theft!I support safety for yourself and others you care about and thats why I say everybody who can leagally carry a gun should carry however and wherever you want to! shall I remind you Phx. AZ. is # 2 in the WORLD for kidnaping and ransom! |
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TOF Regular Member
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Edit Got sidetracked and screwed up. Forget it Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 10:26 pm by TOF |
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Sonora Rebel Regular Member
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Stuck on Stupid.  |
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Crossfire Jedi Regular Member
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You are incorrect sir, you have to get a CCW if you plan on carrying a concealed handgun regardless of your or my feelings on that subject. The rest of your story I won't comment on. ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: Wow you dont sound very smart to me.I broke no laws and Im not a criminal,he came up from behind me and pulled my shirt up and took my gun, didnt say that he was a cop before he put his hands on me and my weapon, thats dangerous!he didnt give me a ticket or take me to jail nothing,The guy even told his fellow cops right in front of me that my "XD40 was nicer than his glock 9mm".Now 3 months later still no paper work and I call the courts and the station and they dont show anything about me or the case.Thats called stealing last time I checked.You say you dont support breaking laws, do you support stealling just because your a cop? And apparently the cop said there was a sign somewhere in the front but I sure didnt see it.he told me the sign said no weapons, but its funny that people are walking around with 3 ft. swords, hatchetts, ball and chians, big knifes and even bow and arrows. Im pretty sure those are weapons so Im confused and they even sell weapons inside. And no this dosent effect my ccw at all there are no charges with me, just a theft!I support safety for yourself and others you care about and thats why I say everybody who can leagally carry a gun should carry however and wherever you want to! shall I remind you Phx. AZ. is # 2 in the WORLD for kidnaping and ransom! |
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TylerEMT Regular Member
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If your story is true. Then you broke the law and the cop broke the law. Sucks to be you. If I ever met someone I knew was concealing without a permit I'd probably either draw down on you or have your face in the dirt as quick as I could. You were a criminal with a firearm. You deserved to go to jail for that incident. I don't care if you're a clean cut father out with your family, or a punk gang banger with their penis enlarger shoved down their pants. If you are illegaly carring a firearm you deserve to go to jail. Its people like you that make it so much harder for the rest of us to practice our rights. |
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ccwinstructor Centurion Member
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote: Wow you dont sound very smart to me.I broke no laws and Im not a criminal,he came up from behind me and pulled my shirt up and took my gun, didnt say that he was a cop before he put his hands on me and my weapon, thats dangerous!he didnt give me a ticket or take me to jail nothing,The guy even told his fellow cops right in front of me that my "XD40 was nicer than his glock 9mm".Now 3 months later still no paper work and I call the courts and the station and they dont show anything about me or the case.Thats called stealing last time I checked.You say you dont support breaking laws, do you support stealling just because your a cop? And apparently the cop said there was a sign somewhere in the front but I sure didnt see it.he told me the sign said no weapons, but its funny that people are walking around with 3 ft. swords, hatchetts, ball and chians, big knifes and even bow and arrows. Im pretty sure those are weapons so Im confused and they even sell weapons inside. And no this dosent effect my ccw at all there are no charges with me, just a theft!I support safety for yourself and others you care about and thats why I say everybody who can leagally carry a gun should carry however and wherever you want to! shall I remind you Phx. AZ. is # 2 in the WORLD for kidnaping and ransom! The Arizona Constitution is quite explicit in your right to carry a weapon for your defense. Unfortunately, the liberal judges in our courts have interpreted this to mean that you cannot carry a weapon that is concealed without a permit, no matter what the evidence to the contrary in the minutes of the Arizona Constitutional Convention. Bob Corbin, who was the attorney general of Arizona did the research on this, and detested the refusal of the judges on the Supreme court of Arizona. But, being right doesn't mean that you would not be fined and put into jail. The cost of your XD40 is probably small compared to the cost that the legal system would have put you through had you been arrested. I know that it may be galling, but I would recommend that you obtain a ccw as a way to prevent your going to jail in the future. We are slowly regaining our rights in Arizona. The AZCDL has a "constitutional Carry" bill in the Senate SB1270, right now. It has passed the first committee. If you are willing to risk jail to exercise your rights, why not fight to get them back through the legislature? Join AZCDL and help us fight to regain our rights. |
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ccwinstructor Centurion Member
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"detested the refusal of the judges" .... Should be "detested the refusal to enforce the Arizona Constitution of the judges". |
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ALL 4 NO CCW! Regular Member
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TylerEMT wrote: If your story is true. Then you broke the law and the cop broke the law. Sucks to be you. If I ever met someone I knew was concealing without a permit I'd probably either draw down on you or have your face in the dirt as quick as I could. You were a criminal with a firearm. You deserved to go to jail for that incident. I don't care if you're a clean cut father out with your family, or a punk gang banger with their penis enlarger shoved down their pants. If you are illegaly carring a firearm you deserve to go to jail. Its people like you that make it so much harder for the rest of us to practice our rights.1st off of course my story is true I have better things to do than lie and make up stories. and second you say"If I ever met someone I knew was concealing without a permit I'd probably either draw down on you or have your face in the dirt as quick as I could." What are you talking about? how would you know if you didnt ask? are ccw permits tatooted on people now or are you a mind reader, whats the deal you? people like you with a chip on there sholder are the kinda people I hate! draw down on me huh? thats funny I bet you dont know the first thing about shooting somebody or getting shot! If I were you Id stay in flagstaff with that attitude if you come down to phx. leave your gun and that attitude at home otherwise you wont make in long! |
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Sonora Rebel Regular Member
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Total whack job! |
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Crossfire Jedi Regular Member
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If you keep your current posting rate ALL 4 NO CCW!, you will have quadrupled your original post count at the start of the day. |
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GWbiker Regular Member
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ALL 4 NO CCW! wrote:1st off of course my story is true I have better things to do than lie and make up stories You're right, it's rather silly of us to even consider that.......... |
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Racer X Regular Member
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Sorry the thread went downhill guys. I have a really low tolerance for stupidity at 5am. |
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reconvic Regular Member 
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Just a rule I go by if ever stopped the first thing I do is let the officer know I am carrying a loaded pistol and ask them if I can reach for my wallet to show my license and CCW. Currently I think it is safe to due that because when they run your plate and if you have a CCW they will know it. With all the shooting for common violations I would be very leery also. S/F Vic |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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The wisest thing a real, experienced officer can do in any legal stop (or stop he thinks is legal), is just be a little conversational. It gives both sides a chance to feel each other out a bit. Ever notice how the cops who cross the line just start right in on their goal to do so? In your face, chip on their shoulder, or just plain being a dick. The cop who treats you like a person instead of a target. It's attitude. In 2 sentences or less, you know what kind of cop you are dealing with. If the cop had a brain, he'd try using that to his advantage. |
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reconvic Regular Member
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They are in your face looking at your eyes to see if your are loaded. With all the LEO being shot from common traffic stops I would take caution also and have my hand on my gun as I approach. S/F Vic |
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