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Mike Super Moderator
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http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3421 SNIP June 8, 2009 Gun Lobby Accelerates Crusade to Normalize Abnormal Behavior By Openly Carrying Handguns  Open Carry at Picnics, in Parks and in Churches Being Encouraged Across the country, gun proponents are continuing to ramp up their efforts to normalize abnormal behavior by encouraging citizens to openly carry loaded firearms. |
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Gray Peterson State Researcher 
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Mike wrote: http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3421 If they said the same thing about gay people that they are saying about gun owners they would have been pushed out of the lexicon of public discourse years ago. "Can't let people normalize abnormal behavior like blacks dating whites or letting gay couples hold hands in public". Screw these people. They're losing, and in the next 3-5 years the "Gun Guys" will be viewed as not much different than the Council of Conservative Citizens, once we get gun carry legal in all 50 states, plus shall-issue nationwide. Last edited on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 03:50 am by Gray Peterson |
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TheMrMitch Regular Member 
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Y'know.....the gun wimps...er guys really are useful idiots. They do give out info about open carry legality a lot of people wouldn't bother to know. The Brady Bunch...The Gun Guys.....Useful Idiots for sure. |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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Snip from site:"Where everyones a straight shooter" ???  ????I didn't see anything in this article that even vaguely resembled "straight shooting". I have to agree, they do make good "useful idiots".  |
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chiefjason Regular Member
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"Unless American's wake up to this crisis and demand that guns laws effectively address the inherent dangers associated with criminals carrying guns in public places, the seemingly far-fetched examples of every day outings turned into repeated encounters with armed criminals will become all to real. " Yeah, gun guys that bugged me at first. Fixed it for you. Much better now. |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member 
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http://www.gunguys.com/?p=3421Unless American's wake up to this crisis and demand that guns laws effectively address the inherent dangers associated with carrying guns in public places, the seemingly far-fetched examples of every day outings turned into repeated encounters with armed citizens will become all to real.QFT Yeah, this bugs me too, and without misquoting the idiots. |
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JohnK87 Regular Member
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"The real world implications of the open carry crusade is chilling. Consider:
We need a good tag line. "We're here, we're packing, go back to your snacking!" or "More Sheepdogs, Fewer Wolves" |
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Legba Regular Member
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Yes, it is chilling. My piece and I are chillin' anyway... -ljp |
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Beau Regular Member 
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After all, allowing a small group of armed gun owners -- versus trained law enforcement officers -- to make potentially life and death decisions about public safety in restaurants, churches, theaters and parks is a frightening prospect A small group? OC'ers may be a small group. The number of people who carry CC is larger. So are they anti carry or just anti OC? I guess the old saying "out of sight , out of mind" applies here. And why is it so frightening for non LE to make a decision regarding the saving of lives? LE can not be everywhere. As most of us know they have no legal duty to protect the individual. I don't really understand the fuss anti groups are kicking up about OC. Personally I like to know who around me is armed. |
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Legba Regular Member
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The unarmed are implicitly trusting criminals in making potential life-and-death decisions about public safety - in their favor, of course. I'm reminded of a mafia saying - you can only be betrayed by those you trust. -ljp |
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squisher Regular Member
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That site is a mouthpiece for idiocy, I've come across them every now and then. The thing that bugs me the most is how they try to portray themselves ("Gun Guys" sounds more like a blog where they talk about how awesome guns are -- I did not expect a site written by gun-shy hippies). Deja-Vu for me, as I seem to recall them running anti-open carry content before (but can't find it, down the memory hole already?) They need to cut down on the caffeine or something. Their whole "tone" is that of righteous indignant anger -- and I agree with them on this: I wouldn't trust someone in that state of mind with a loaded weapon either. (Maybe that's the whole problem with anti-gunners, they don't have enough control over their emotions to trust themselves with weapons -- and moreover can't see how anyone else can, leading to them believing that no-one should have weapons). EDIT: Also notice that they do not allow commenting on their posts... Afraid of the truth much? (check their anti-.50 caliber posts for more  )Last edited on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 08:41 pm by squisher |
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Legba Regular Member
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In one of their tirades about the intrinsically evil .50-cals, they compare the .50 BMG round to the (presumably benign) .30-06 "standard hunting" round - which, IIRC, began life as a military round, and in any case has been used in both world wars to kill far more people that the .50-cal has. I'm disappointed the military dropped it, in fact. Is it me or do these objects not have intrinsic moral value? Seems to me that the ends to which these things are used may be good or bad, and that the motivation of the agent using it determines this. Can't be. They're necessarily sinister - the"gun guys" said so. -ljp |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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Legba wrote: Is it me or do these objects not have intrinsic moral value? Seems to me that the ends to which these things are used may be good or bad, and that the motivation of the agent using it determines this. Can't be. They're necessarily sinister - the"gun guys" said so. When I run into imbeciles like that where I can interact with them, I usually ask them, "Do you worship rocks and trees?" When they get flustered and claim they don't, I then say, "Well, since you seem to think that pieces of steel, wood and plastic have morality, I just figured you were some kind of primitive animist who worships inanimate objects." |
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yale Regular Member 
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squisher wrote: (Maybe that's the whole problem with anti-gunners, they don't have enough control over their emotions to trust themselves with weapons -- and moreover can't see how anyone else can, leading to them believing that no-one should have weapons). WAIT!!! That right there...What you just said... is somethig I've heard quite a bit. I have had many coworkers, neighbors, etc.. say that they can't trust themselves, that they would likely shoot someone for simply yelling at them or cutting them off in traffic. So because they can't trust themselves to be responsible with a firearm they don't believe that you can control yourself. THAT is waht we are up against. |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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If they said the same thing about gay people that they are saying about gun owners they would have been pushed out of the lexicon of public discourse years ago. "Can't let people normalize abnormal behavior like blacks dating whites or letting gay couples hold hands in public". Gray, He does appear to be anti-gay as well. His subtitle is "Where Everone is a STRAIGHT Shooter!" |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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I wish he had a feedback section. My reply would be simple - how would it feel to be sitting in Starbucks sipping your coffee or riding the bus with your family and know that there may be no less the 5 or 6 gang bangers or criminals hiding their guns and knowing that you can do absolutely nothing to defend yourself or your family. Last edited on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 03:43 pm by NavyLT |
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n16ht5 Regular Member
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NavyLT wrote:I wish he had a feedback section. My reply would be simple - how would it feel to be sitting in Starbucks sipping your coffee or riding the bus with your family and know that there may be no less the 5 or 6 gang bangers or criminals hiding their guns and knowing that you can do absolutely nothing to defend yourself or your family. +10000 |
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TFred Regular Member
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NavyLT wrote: I wish he had a feedback section. My reply would be simple - how would it feel to be sitting in Starbucks sipping your coffee or riding the bus with your family and know that there may be no less the 5 or 6 gang bangers or criminals hiding their guns and knowing that you can do absolutely nothing to defend yourself or your family. Such a comment would fall on deaf ears... remember the anti-gunners live in fantasy land... if they don't see it, it doesn't exist. TFred |
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suntzu Regular Member 
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here are some quotes from that "article"... "It's time we turned back the clock on this deadly trend before America's children are sitting in school with armed teachers and the gun lobby's abnormal behavior becomes the new norm." What would be wrong with having armed teachers in class rooms? If arming teachers will help prevent another Columbine by giving the teachers a chance to stop an active shooter without having to wait on LEOs...considering the shooting is usually all over before LEOs can even mobilize on scene..... Personally I would like to see every state in the country, as well as the US territories and possessions enact total reciprocity, as well as legalize campus carry across the board...the Brady bunch and the rest of their liberal friends would all have a cow--and not a minor cow over that... "After all, allowing a small group of armed gun owners -- versus trained law enforcement officers -- to make potentially life and death decisions about public safety in restaurants, churches, theaters and parks is a frightening prospect." I'll take the armed citizens any day of the week over LEOs and twice on Sunday thank you...I feel safer amongst the public than I do law enforcement anyway...never trust your safety to anyone--ANYONE who does not have a direct stake in whether you go home tonight... "Next time you take your child on an outing with you, think about how many people within earshot may soon be openly carrying a gun as you wait in line at the aquarium, shop at the local grocery store, or sit in a theater watching a movie." people are entitled to protect themselves--or not, as they see fit. Violent crime happens at the movies, in grocery stores, and at the aquarium as well as in a darkened alley... There are SO MANY things wrong with that website that it would take more time than I am willing to devote to point it all out to them.... I say this though--they must have taken a "stupid pill" just before they wrote that worthless website. If they choose to cower in a corner that is their right--but they should not expect anyone else to. |
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suntzu Regular Member
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I'll say it again--you can't fix stupid.... |
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6L6GC Regular Member 
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"the Gun Guys" deal is a front group for the "Freedom States Alliance". Check the icon at the bottom of their page which says so. Then just for fun, check out the Freedom States Alliance webpage for some REAL stupid horse apples. |
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Skeptic Regular Member 
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squisher wrote: That site is a mouthpiece for idiocy, I've come across them every now and then. The thing that bugs me the most is how they try to portray themselves ("Gun Guys" sounds more like a blog where they talk about how awesome guns are -- I did not expect a site written by gun-shy hippies).Agreed, talk about false advertising. Every "Gun Guys" piece I have read is anti gun. And they have apparently never met an anti gun law they didn't love, unless it wasn't anti-gun enough. Calling themselves the "Gun Guys" is sort of like if the Temperance movement had decided to call themselves the "Liquor folks" or PETA "The Hamburger People".  |
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Skeptic Regular Member
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6L6GC wrote: "the Gun Guys" deal is a front group for the "Freedom States Alliance". Check the icon at the bottom of their page which says so. Then just for fun, check out the Freedom States Alliance webpage for some REAL stupid horse apples.Are the FSA part of that big ACORN charlie foxtrot ? |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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Shame they didn't show the big bad 50 cal couldn't even penetrate 3" of water. Last time I was in one, the containment pool is much deeper than this. But where is the danger of the wife and child being the playtoy of the armed thugs who ignore not just the gun laws when they hijack the bus. Where is the outrage of the wife and kids driving by a bar and drunks getting in cars. I am more concerned that my children are not allowed to defend themselves under current law, than the coffee drinker at starbucks having a gun. But LEO is trained, then why all the dead citizens with the door kicked in for no reason other than the outstanding training by government types. No lets get laws holding government entities liable when they either kill citizens, or stand aside and let citizens be killed. Then we can work on some 'common' sense laws like, No Infringement! Are they for real, or is this one of those 'Onion' sites? |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member 
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Are these people trying for COMEDY? I have an idea for them. They can get lots of publicity and save money. All they gotta do is make some signs that say "and guns, too" and then find out where the loons from Westboro Baptist Church are holding their next "God Hates wimps" rally. Then, just hold up the "and guns too" signs next to a "God hates wimps" sign and BOTH groups have doubled their crowd and everybody else has TWICE as many people to laugh and throw rocks at. Do they have a calliope? |
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rpyne Regular Member
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yale wrote: squisher wrote:(Maybe that's the whole problem with anti-gunners, they don't have enough control over their emotions to trust themselves with weapons -- and moreover can't see how anyone else can, leading to them believing that no-one should have weapons). That is one of the points that Dr. Sarah Thompson makes in her psychological analysis of the anti gunners. http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm |
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Flyer22 Regular Member
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JohnK87 wrote: "The real world implications of the open carry crusade is chilling. Consider:I got a chuckle out of this. They don't explain how they know, but apparently hot chocolate is deadlier than coffee. Maybe we can parse this out--the toddler starts crying; the hot chocolate gets upset and spills itself; that startles the gun; and then the gun shoots the toddler. |
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possumboy Regular Member 
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The real world implications of the open carry crusade is chilling. Consider:
I've sipped hot chocolate with my toddlers at Starbucks - wait, it was me openly displaying a gun at the table. Attended "church" service with my entire family knowing that I could defend them if someone attacked - which has been shown to happen. Boarded a crowded bus with my newborn while three (3) others were openly carrying weapons. Four (4) people where openly carrying in total. If freedom is abnormal, I guess I qualify. Debt is normal, so I guess I'm abnormal there also. |
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Sonora Rebel Regular Member 
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Abnormal... by whose standards? I s'pose the guys who wrote the 2A were absolute moonbats according to the 'Gun Guys'. I'm not even sure they're actually 'guy's'. Of note is the constant... children... family... angle of their fearmongering. This is pure agitation propaganda... amaturish, but propaganda nonetheless. So... you 'n Junior are sittin' in Starbucks... suckin' down a latte'... and some wild-eyed 'banger hits the place up with a '9'. Robbery ain't good enough... so he begins a mag dump on the customers. There is no 'open carrier' at the table next to you. You can't even scream 'cause that sucking chest wound you just received won't let you. Five miles away... Officer Happy drops his donut as the dispattcher gives him a call of 'shots fired' at your pos. Officer Happy arrives 'bout the same time you're throwin' a seven. Junior is pleading... "Daddy... you should'a bought a gun." into your dead ear. |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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suntzu wrote: I'll say it again--you can't fix stupid.... Actually you can. A guard at the Holocaust Museum did today. |
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suntzu Regular Member
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Deanimator wrote: suntzu wrote:I'll say it again--you can't fix stupid.... on second thought--maybe you can fix stupid...but that was an abnormal level of stupidity... I have an idea..why not take every anti-gunner in the country and draft them into the military--only the antigunners...and then put them on the front lines in North Korea and Iran--make them the pointy end of the spear... |
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No1 Banned
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stupid is not sharp, stupid is dull and not 'pointy' |
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squisher Regular Member
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rpyne wrote: yale wrote:squisher wrote:(Maybe that's the whole problem with anti-gunners, they don't have enough control over their emotions to trust themselves with weapons -- and moreover can't see how anyone else can, leading to them believing that no-one should have weapons). Probably where my subconscious got the idea -- I've read that article, it's a good one, I just forgot about it  |
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CrossFire Founder's Club Member 
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Beau wrote: After all, allowing a small group of armed gun owners -- versus trained law enforcement officers -- to make potentially life and death decisions about public safety in restaurants, churches, theaters and parks is a frightening prospect Thats just it. They want all guns to magically go away, they want no one around them armed. They only tolerate LEO because they are LEO and criminals because they have the decency to hide it away. |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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There are antis and then there are antis. Some of them are just common LACs who fear firearms (along with garter snakes and Daddy longlegs and maybe even frogs) as a threat to them and their kids. Then there are those who have swallowed the Brady Bunch's line of BS and think that the 2A is "obsolete" and firearms "have no place in a law-abiding society". These are they who listen when Chicago Mayor Daley says "What? are we gonna go back to 'I got a gun and you got a gun, lets go out into the street and settle this?" when faced with the possibility of Chicago being forced to come into compliance with the 2A. Next there are those who need to be seen as "special" or "worthy" and think that opposition to "those things that are designed to kill" makes them part of a morally superior elite. These folks are kin to those who pretend to be "allergic" to something someone else enjoys in order to be able to control someone else's behavior for a change instead of being controlled themselves. Next up are people who have had a loved one killed or grievously wounded by a BG with a firearm or in some kind of range or hunting accident, or who have had a child or a neighbor or friend's or relative's child killed or injured in these circumstances; who cannot bring themselves to condemn the BG or to see that if the accident happened on a skateboard outing they would (usually) not be hollering for the outlawing of skateboards. Sarah Brady herself is one of these so decieved. THEN we have the truly vile filth who seek to use the fears and insecurities of the above to advance a political agenda, gain noteriety and enrich themselves. And lots of these have concealed permits and carry themselves. The people who publish this "GUN GUYS" site are a fine example of these SOBs. Funny how the "protect the precious children" movement got started right after all the Baby Boomers cut back drastically on child production in order to focus on their own pleasures. Back in my day there were so many dang kids thaat nobody who didn't know us or was not family really cared what happened to us. Come summer we left the house around nine AM and our moms were glad to be rid of us as they could then get the housework done and join the other housewives at the "gossip fence" (yes, we actually had a gossip fence at our house, although Mom would get really mad when we called it that) Chester Molesters were out there just like today, but there was safety in numbers, and everybody knew who the "creeps" were and stayed away. There were a few transgressions in this regard but mostly they were dealt with by dads and older brothers. The community looked out for itself back then. Sears and Roebuck even had a firearms section in their catalog, featuring Ithaca rifles and Ivers-Johson revolvers and - the first pistol I ever fell in love with - the Beretta "Minx" ("Fires five shots as fast as you can pull the trigger!") (This was supplanted by the Walther P.38 when I saw a pic of my Dad holding one he had taken off a German in WWII. I have a P.38, and I would like to get a Minx). My best friend's dad owned about 150 acres of woods that was his private nature preserve, and we would take his dad's M1 carbine and/or maybe one of his .22 revolvers into the woods and shred beer cans. AAHHHH! Them was de days. Today everybody has 1.5 kids and they are being raised to believe that they are made out of gold and cannot be touched. Back when I was a kid we were as common as gravel and were in a very large measure responsible for our own selves. Somewhere along the line my generation decided to make the Government into a full partner in parenting. Ultimately the anti-gun crowd works to increase the dependency of the citizenry on government for the basic needs of survival to include self-defense. And it ai'nt good. Sez me, it is downright EVIL. |
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MetalChris Regular Member
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Alexcabbie wrote: ... Well said! I agree 100%. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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Gun Guys - funny, stupid, yet pathetic. Teaching them all to be good little victims. They're full of noxious gas and it stinks to the heavens! Yata hey |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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YO CHRIS if you wanna see that private nature preserve I am talking about, it is now the Brandt Pike Walmart Center, when my friend's parents passed he and his brothers sold the homestead, but there is a portion that is a wildlife reservation they donated, too. Hid dad also owned a couple fishin holes in back of the Baptist church up on Taylorsville where he taught me how to noodle for snapping turtles - which make darn tasty soup!! |
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Deanimator Regular Member
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suntzu wrote: Deanimator wrote:suntzu wrote:I'll say it again--you can't fix stupid.... We'd save a lot of money if we used them and the Nazis to clear minefields the way the Iranians did in the Iran-Iraq war. Last edited on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 04:32 pm by Deanimator |
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MSC 45ACP Regular Member 
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NavyLT wrote: I wish he had a feedback section. My reply would be simple - how would it feel to be sitting in Starbucks sipping your coffee or riding the bus with your family and know that there may be no less the 5 or 6 gang bangers or criminals hiding their guns and knowing that you can do absolutely nothing to defend yourself or your family. They DO have a feedback section... you just gotta look for it. Click the box at the bottom of the page and THEN go to the "Contact Us" box. I DID. I just sent them a long e-mail they probably won't even read, much less respond to... |
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c45man Regular Member
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Don't lose sleep over Gun Guys. It is a silly internet organization that has no political power because no one takes them seriously. Their claims cannot be quoted because they are without merit. If the so called gun guys are a front organization for another group, such group is wasting their resources. |
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jerg_064 Regular Member
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suntzu wrote: "After all, allowing a small group of armed gun owners -- versus trained law enforcement officers -- to make potentially life and death decisions about public safety in restaurants, churches, theaters and parks is a frightening prospect." +1 I don't know where people get this idea that trained LEOs are so specially skilled. I've worked for state forest dept. wild land firefighting and I've been in the military for 3 years now. We all go through a TON of training, and I still don't trust half the people I work with to do anymore than a half-arsed job. Some people just aren't good at some things no matter how hard they try or want to be, some ppl are just plain dumb either book wise, common sense wise, or in technical and mechaical areas. And then there are plenty that just don't care as long as they get their tax dollar provided paycheck, as they say "Good enough for government work" Whearas armed citizens, pay for their firearms, ammunition, and training. Their gas to go to the range, all the off-duty/non-work hours dedicated to staying extremely familiar with arms and self-defense. Yea, I'll definitely pick armed LAC citizens over government employees anyday of the year. |
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marshaul Activist Member 
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Not only do I question the relative levels of skill and training when comparing an armed officer with an armed citizen, I also question whose trigger finger is the itchy one. All of HankT's goofs with guns will never amount to the level of danger that police present to harmless citizens. |
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jerg_064 Regular Member
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marshaul wrote: I also question whose trigger finger is the itchy one. No kiddin man. There's something else with military weapons training that's always bothered me and I don't think it'd be a stretch to assume it's not much different with LE. The military familiarizes service members with weapons and how to effectively use them to kill. But they don't really teach them how to efficiently kill, that is, only kill the enemy. In other words, they don't preach safety worth a darn. You get a short brief on safety and then a ton on weapon familiarization and shooting, It shoould be quite the opposite until EVERYONE displays complete safety and competency. Muzzle and trigger disapline is absolutely HORRIBLE. If I had a nickel for everytime I had a barrel pointed at me either in training or during real world deployments.... I may not be a millionaire, but I'd sure have a enough to put a few more guns in my collection. |
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riverrat10k Regular Member 
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"After all, allowing a small group of armed criminals -- versus trained law enforcement officers -- to make potentially life and death decisions about public safety in restaurants, churches, theaters and parks is a frightening prospect. " Fixed it for them. |
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Nutczak Regular Member 
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Obviously these idiots at gun-guys, have never had anyone attack them, or witnessed an armed robbery. So what way do think they would go if they were involved as a bystander in an armed robbery or witnessed a murder attempt? And an armed citizen was able to stop the attack or protect these morons. |
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useful_idiot Founder's Club Member 
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TheMrMitch wrote: Y'know.....the gun wimps...er guys really are useful idiots. They do give out info about open carry legality a lot of people wouldn't bother to know. Those Ninnyhammers are are giving me a bad name. I am the useful_idiot around here.  |
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Dutch Uncle Activist Member 
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The histrionic silliness that literally screams out from this article is a form of verbal flop-sweat. They see that we have real traction, are overtaking them and will likely prevail. This scares the cr*p out of them. They can't believe it: They just elected the most anti-gun president in US history and now rabble like the NRA, VCDL, OCDO are making gains every day. People are buying guns and ammo in staggering amounts. CCW permits are up and up. Twenty three state attorneys General have upbraided (anti-gun) Attorney General Holder, and now PEOPLE ARE CARRYING OPENLY ALL OVER THE PLACE!!! My God, our world has been turned upside down!  Good. Let them hyperventilate. Their screeds will only appeal to the rabidly anti-gun types anyway. The average Joes out there will see through their nonsense and be more inclined to side with us. Thanks for all your help, Gun Guys. Why not ally yourselves with PeTA while you're at it and REALLY mainstream your group. |
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NavyLT Regular Member
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Dutch Uncle wrote: Thanks for all your help, Gun Guys. Why not ally yourselves with PeTA while you're at it and REALLY mainstream your group.Hey! I happen to be a member of PeTA! People Eating Tasty Animals |
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Washintonian_For_Liberty Regular Member 
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Read their website... these guys are nothing more than a bunch of Fascists. They also make the case that guns should be as heavily regulated as cigarettes. These people do not care for Liberty or Freedom, they would rip to shreds the Constitution if they could get away with it... and their allies in the Democrat party are helping them. With Fascists, one must always be vigilant. Stand up to them at every encounter. Argue down every ridiculous point they make and never let them have the last word. Fascists will not rest until we are all completely under their control. Most of you probably didn't think that the regulations on cigarettes would bother you if you don't smoke... but to the Fascist, they can use these rulings on "dangerous products" as precedent and we have a "camel's nose under the tent situation" as Obama likes to say. Once they get a foot in the door of "removing liberty for our own good", and I mean any liberty... then all liberty is in jeopardy. |
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KansasMustang Regular Member 
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possumboy wrote: The real world implications of the open carry crusade is chilling. Consider:
Done all threeI'll tell you what, I'd feel almost as safe in those situations as I did when I was in my PC in Desert Storm sorrounded by my Tank Troop of 14 M1A1 (Heavies). Good on ya Bro! Abnormal behavior? Isn't that kinda like the Gay Rights parades where they parade mostly, if not all naked and act all wierd??Oooops,,there I go being all politically incorrect again. Keep your powder dry! |
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marshaul Activist Member
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Dutch Uncle wrote:The histrionic silliness that literally screams out from this article is a form of verbal flop-sweat. They see that we have real traction, are overtaking them and will likely prevail. This scares the cr*p out of them. They can't believe it: They just elected the most anti-gun president in US history and now rabble like the NRA, VCDL, OCDO are making gains every day. People are buying guns and ammo in staggering amounts. CCW permits are up and up. Twenty three state attorneys General have upbraided (anti-gun) Attorney General Holder, and now PEOPLE ARE CARRYING OPENLY ALL OVER THE PLACE!!! My God, our world has been turned upside down! If Obama were "the most anti-gun president in history", the whole rest of your post would not be truthfully claimable.  Edit: Not intended to defend Obama, just trying to keep the focus on his present faults. Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 11:20 pm by marshaul |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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Au Contraire, Marsh. Obama is more opposed to the RTKBA than any other President in history. It is just that it has become very evident to him and his ilk that acting on these attitudes is the kiss of death for the careers of most politicians. |
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unreconstructed1 Regular Member 
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suntzu wrote: I'll say it again--you can't fix stupid.... truer words have never been spoken |
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Huck Regular Member 
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After all, allowing a small group of armed gun owners -- versus trained law enforcement officers -- to make potentially life and death decisions about public safety in restaurants, churches, theaters and parks is a frightening prospect The sheeple dont need to worry about that in my case. I carry to protect myself, my family, and my friends. I certainly am not going to risk my life protecting anyone who dos'nt care enough about their family or themselves to carry the means to protect them. I may call 911 if I see someone under attack but if I, or my family/friends ar'nt in danger I'm not going to do any more. The only way sheeple will benefit from me carrying is if something happens in a public place and I, and/or family/friends, are among the potential victims. My outlook on this may sound cold hearted but I solidly believe that the only person who's responsible for the protection of your family and yourself is you! |
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DemiAsianMan Regular Member
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OMFG I was too lazy to register and make an account but after reading that article I just had to comment. That was blatant out right fearmongering. That author made it sound as if the gun itself was the bad guy and that us carrying guns endangered their livelyhood. The sad thing is I feel most people feel along the lines of what this guy is preaching. I ran across a coworker that I knew for years that detests guns. She thinks of them as evil objects and one time while we were talking she brought this up. She stated that "Guns are evil. Noone has a need for them and anyone who has one or wants one is probably a criminal." At this point I grinned a little inside and stated. "Do you think of me as a criminal?" Keep in mind she had known me for over five years and we have always enjoyed each others company. She replied "Of course not." I then let it slip and told her "I have more than a few guns and carry all the time. I do not mean anyone harm and guns are not evil." At that point the conversation ended and we moved onto a different topic. I hope I gave her something to think about, while at the same time not ruining our relationship. |
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