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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/48423592.html?video=YHI&t=a http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/48428987.html Milwaukee officers shoot and kill coyote overnight By Linda Spice of the Journal Sentinel Posted: Jun. 18, 2009 7:02 a.m. Concerns that a coyote might have been rabid led Milwaukee police to shoot the animal early Thursday as it came toward officers on Lincoln Memorial Drive. Police reported that officers in the area came upon the animal in the 1700 block of Lincoln Memorial Drive about 3:30 a.m. The coyote made a movement toward officers before it was shot. Officers received an alert earlier in the year about an increased population of coyotes migrating into the Milwaukee area, and they have received sporadic calls from citizens about sightings, according to police. There was also worry about leaving the animal in an area used by joggers early in the morning, according to police. No officers were hurt. Video from TMJ4 ------ So the next time someone says you don't need a gun while jogging/walking your dog/planting a tree in your yard, add this to the list of reasons. (as if protecting yourself from thugs and criminals and all of the crimes around milwaukee aren't enough of a reason) |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member 
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'Coyote' may also refer to (sub) humans and that may also be 'rabid'. Too bad all suspected coyotes can't be shot by legally armed citizens. Suspicion of rabidness is confirmed by PCR or virus culture of brain tissue taken after death. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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June 18th... Nope, No need for a gun in Milwaukee. Who would need a gun in a candy store? http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/48293307.html Shopkeeper, 77, shot dead in northwest side robbery attempt By Jesse Garza of the Journal Sentinel Posted: Jun. 17, 2009  Jeffrey Phelps Milwaukee police investigate the death of a 77-year-old shopkeeper Wednesday in the 8300 block of W. Silver Spring Drive. Witnesses reported seeing a man running south from the store after the shooting. A 77-year-old shopkeeper who sold candy and other snacks at a store on Milwaukee's northwest side and was known to neighborhood children as "Grandpa" was shot to death during a robbery attempt Wednesday evening. The shooting was reported at 5:25 p.m. at the Silver Spring Variety Store, 8305 W. Silver Spring Drive, Milwaukee police Deputy Inspector Gregory Thompson said at the scene. According to Thompson, paramedics found the man with a gunshot wound to the chest. Their attempts to revive him were unsuccessful, and the man was pronounced dead at the scene. Witnesses reported seeing a man running south from the store after the shooting. Police were searching for the man Wednesday evening, Thompson said. Marcia Goins, 49, said her mother operates a small business that shares space with the victim's store. Goins' mother, 79, sells Avon products and T-shirts, and the victim sold candy, soda and other items, Goins said. According to Goins, her mother called her to report that the store owner had been shot. Goins said her mother saw that the door to the victim's store was ajar and heard a man demanding money. The mother then heard the victim order someone out of his store before she heard gunfire. A yellow tarp covering the victim's body could be seen on the parking lot in front of the business Wednesday evening. Goins said that on good days, the victim might sell only about $40 worth of merchandise. "He was just the kindest old man in the whole world," Goins said. "All he wanted to do was sell candy." Goins said the victim was retired and operated the store for more than 10 years. He and Goins' mother also sold items at area flea markets, Goins said. "It's a sad day for the city of Milwaukee for something like this to happen to one of the kindest old men you could know," Goins said. Farrah Walker, 32, found the store blocked off with yellow police tape when she arrived to buy candy with her two young children less than an hour after the shooting. "I thought, 'I hope it's not him,' " Walker said. She said the store was a popular spot for neighborhood children, who often dumped change on the counter before pointing out the items they wanted, and receiving free popcorn, too. "If you didn't have enough money for what you needed, he'd tell you to catch him the next time," Walker said. He was patient with young children and respectful toward neighborhood teenagers, who got along with him, Walker said. "He was, like, the nicest person you could ever know," Walker said. "For him to stay here as long as he did, he was really dedicated to the neighborhood." While Walker spoke, her 5-year-old daughter hopped up and down, telling her mother she wanted candy. "We can't get candy anymore, sweetheart," Walker told her daughter. "Grandpa's in heaven now." Ryan Haggerty of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 06:22 pm by hugh jarmis |
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WI Patriot Regular Member 
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Doug Huffman wrote: 'Coyote' may also refer to (sub) humans and that may also be 'rabid'. Too bad all suspected coyotes can't be shot by legally armed citizens.I was thinking the same thing. If you listen to the tmj4 report on the video, or read the journal story, and replace "criminal" with "coyote", wouldn't that be business as usual for Milwaukee? |
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Nutczak Regular Member 
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Does anyone besides me find it annoying that no description of the suspect is mentioned? |
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Nutczak wrote: Does anyone besides me find it annoying that no description of the suspect is mentioned? http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/27285.html |
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WI Patriot Regular Member
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The story about the 77 year old shopkeeper shot and killed by the thug criminal kind of hits home. I grew up in the neighborhood right behind that shopping center on 83rd and Silver Spring. That was a great area to grow up in. I don't mean to be disrespectful here, and my condolences go to the family, but according to Greenfield and South Milwaukee common councils, if that shopkeeper had a sign posted saying "no guns allowed", would he have not been a victim? Would the thug criminal have seen the sign and walked away? Conversely, if someone exercising their right to OC, expecially the shopkeeper, had been in the store, would the outcome have been different? Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 09:46 pm by WI Patriot |
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Woodchuck Regular Member
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Doug Huffman wrote:Too bad all suspected coyotes can't be shot by legally armed citizens. You can be standing over a crippled deer freshly hit by a car, it's back & 3 legs clearly broken, 8 witnesses and they tell you they will get you for poaching if you put it out of its misery. But the LEO's can pop a yotey with no real reason except that it "might" be rabid. Gonna tell that to the sheriff next time I'm standing over a crippled deer. |
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Woodchuck wrote: Doug Huffman wrote: A few years back I stopped at a dear hit (up in Pulaski), and was asked if I could help. I went in my truck, and pulled out my little .38. Thought it was a bit small, but it did the job, in one close shot. Put it away, and went on my way. I think it was the right thing to do... At the time... Now I carry a larger gun...  |
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Woodchuck Regular Member
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AaronS wrote:Woodchuck wrote:Doug Huffman wrote: Absolutely agree, you did the right thing. Problem is, the right thing isn't the legal thing to do. |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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Woodchuck wrote: AaronS wrote: Ain't that the truth! But it would have been legal to use a knife to slit the deers throat and let it bleed out so it can be in agony longer. I would be willing to have a 12-person jury trial for the roadside mercy killing of a deer. I think that he police and DNR warden at the trial would be made to look like fools in front of the court and the jury would quickly decide not-guilty. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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Outside of all of that, what about the endless list of victims that have been raped, robbed, beaten and even killed. Tell them and their families and loved ones that there is no need for you to carry a means of self defense. Hell all you have to do is call the police, they will come and save you. what's that don't have a cell phone? Well then all you have to do is scream. surely someone will call the police and they will come and save you. Unless of course you are in a bad neighborhood then the ones who hear you scream will wait until it is over and come pick the bones and see what was left behind. Anyone! who can not understand the right to self defense or any of your other rights for that matter is a complete self centered idiot who lacks the understanding, compassion and purpose of what life is all about. We all have the right to the pursuit of happiness. OC'ing makes me happy.  <-- I wish this little guy was OC'ing. |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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Lets consider what is illegal to carry for self-defense in WI, Electronic devices are outlawed (taser, or any other device that uses electricity to stun someone, ) I do not think we can legally carry pepper spray either, So what other option does that leave someone that may need to defend themselves. I carry an expandable ASP in my truck, it is known as "The Tire Club" becuase if it was labled as a self-defense tool by me, I could be arrested and charged for carrying a concealed weapon. I also carry a large "mag-lite" between the drivers seat and the center console. (I had to use it once in a defensive situation) basically if someone finds the need to defend themselves in WI, they are schitt outta luck becuase although the state has a decent self-defense statute, but at the same time we are unable to legally carry the proper tools to do so. About 8-9 years ago, a police officer found a man in the process of raping a woman up here, the police pordered the man to stop and get off the woman and the refused to stop until he was "finished". What could a regular citizen do? if you hit the guy with anything, you get charged with aggravated battery. The politicians of WI are trying their hardest to make this a nanny-state be fighting against our right to defend ourselves. Castle doctrine in WI? Seems to me the criminal has more rights than the guy whose house is forcrifully entered in many cases. This has got to stop. We need to send a very clear message to our politicians that we will not stand for it anymore. A few other annoying items in WI, Police radar does not need to be tested for accuracy within any set time. Most other states require an independent lab to verify accuracy of both the radar and the tuning forks used for checking the calibration. And the police can forcibly have blood drawn for a person even if they refuse, Where are our protections against the police? Why do we allow this to happpen? |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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I am hoping to use this thread to link to news stories of instances where people in wisconsin would have, could have, or did use a gun for self-defense. I'm hoping to have an easy point of reference for the elitists in government who say "you don't need a gun in wisconsin". I'll have a pretty good eye out for SE wisconsin, but if you guys in other parts of the state see any news reports of instances where a Wisconsinite could have been well served having a sidearm for protection please post links here! We should literally have thousands of stories over the course of a year. |
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WI Patriot Regular Member
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hugh jarmis wrote: I am hoping to use this thread to link to news stories of instances where people in wisconsin would have, could have, or did use a gun for self-defense.You could probably start with the security guard who shot the two perps when one perp told the other to kill the guard. Last edited on Sat Jun 20th, 2009 03:27 pm by WI Patriot |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Nope, no need for a gun in Milwaukee: http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/48723827.html Five separate shootings leave 1 dead, 5 injured I'm wondering what Ed Flynn or Mayor Barrett's advice to this young man would be? Keep more money on you so thugs don't shoot you when they rob you? Move out of Milwaukee? Call 911 and hope the police arrive before the bullet from the thug does? Why doesn't the mother of this young murdered man get on TV and "talk tough" about the politicians like Mayor Tom Barrett and Ed "the philandering Fuhrer" Flynn who have blood on their hands because they would disarm law-abiding citizens and make them easy victims for criminals? Last edited on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 03:19 pm by hugh jarmis |
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WI Patriot Regular Member
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It's not the thug's fault. Barrett blames the "crazy guns"...... |
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Mr.Parker Regular Member
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Regarding that coyote video on WTMJ, I saw it and I wondered if that bigger one might be a coydog. I live in southern Milwaukee County and have seen coyotes all over. This winter at night while walking my dog, I saw one behind some bushes on my lawn. I yelled at it to go and it stood there. A piece of ice about the size of a baseball encouraged it to move on. But its brazenness bothered me. The city of Milwaukee had its licenses committee meeting today. There was one grocery store owner I believe that had been convicted of CCW and was given a $500 fine and 2 days in the HOC (in 2007). Of course, he profusely apologized for carrying his "registered" handgun concealed. He carried it because he was afraid his apt. would be burglarizied and didn't want it stolen. Ald. Jim Bohl (not a bad guy on gun issues)said,"well if we agree with it or not, CCW is against the law here." Ald. Michael Murphy said, "well you MAY have a right to open carry but you realize you would be endangering the public." My quotes are not verbatim, but are close enough for you to understand their attitudes. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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RACINE Man robbed while washing truck A 22-year-old man told Racine police he was robbed Friday afternoon while washing his truck at National Pride Car Wash, 1508 Rapids Drive. Reports said at 2:30 p.m. two suspects approached the man in the car wash. One of the suspects allegedly pulled a handgun out, pointed it at the victim and demanded money from him. The victim told police he refused to give the suspect with the gun money and got involved in a brief struggle with him. Meanwhile, the second suspect went into the victim’s truck and took his wallet, containing $175, and his cell phone, reports said. Both suspects then fled toward North Memorial Drive, police said. The suspects are described as black men, ages 25 to 27, both with scruffy facial hair. One of them was about 170 to 180 pounds and 5 feet 8 inches tall. At the time of the robbery he was wearing a white T-shirt over his head, partially covering his face, a blue jumpsuit and white Nike shoes. The second suspect is described as about 200 pounds and 5 feet 8 inches. At the time of the incident he was wearing a white T-shirt, blue jeans and white tennis shoes. RACINE Electronics stolen in burglary About 600 DVDs, a video game system, digital camera and MP3 player, worth an estimated total of $6,270, were stolen from a home in the 800 block of Forest Street between 8:30 p.m. Friday and 2:58 a.m. Saturday, according to Racine police. Reports said someone gained entry to the house by breaking the window on the door and reaching in to unlock the dead bolt. RACINE Man attacked by group Racine police said a 29-year-old man was assaulted Sunday morning in the 900 block of Racine Street by a group of people after they yelled insults at his girlfriend. Reports said the victim, his girlfriend and another couple, were walking from the Total 24 gas station to a friend’s house when they passed a home on Racine Street with a large group of people on the front porch. The victim told police as they walked by, someone in the group yelled insulting remarks about his girlfriend and the other woman they were with. Police said when the victim asked why the group was acting that way, about 15 people ran off the front porch and began attacking him. The victim was punched several times and pistol whipped in the back of the head, according to reports. Racine rescue tended to the man’s injuries. RACINE Man suffers broken jaw in assault A 52-year-old man suffered a fractured jaw in an assault Sunday morning in the 1100 block of Carlisle Avenue, according to Racine police. Reports said the man and a friend were walking together when they met up with the suspect, whom they knew. The three men were talking, but then began arguing, the victim told police. The suspect allegedly punched the victim in the face several times, breaking his jaw and knocking out a tooth, reports said. The victim’s friend stopped the fight and the man brought himself to Wheaton Franciscan-All Saints hospital, 3801 Spring St. A fire arm could and would have been a deterent in every one of these incidents. |
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Woodchuck Regular Member
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 Holy Crap.............Better be packing if ya visit Racine |
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MOUNT PLEASANT Police look for two robbers Mount Pleasant police are searching for two robbers who held up three people in the 2100 block of Racine Street early Wednesday morning. Reports said the victims were on the porch of residence, about to enter the home, when one of the robbery suspects approached them from behind. Police said he was armed with a handgun and demanded money from the victims. After taking two wallets, the suspect with the gun fled with an accomplice who was waiting on the sidewalk, according to a police statement. No one was injured. Both suspects are described as black men in their late teens to early 20s, about 5 feet 6 inches tall with thin builds and shaved heads. Both were wearing dark pants and black hooded sweatshirts at the time of the robbery. |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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POLICE REPORTS: June 17 Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:05 PM CDT RACINE Home burglarized while owner cuts grass Racine police responded to a report of a burglary in the 1100 block of Ohio Street Monday afternoon. Reports said a woman was cutting grass in the yard and when she came back in, she noticed a person go out the front door. Police said she didn’t know whether the person was male or female. Reports said a lock box from the bedroom that contained $1,000 in cash, a checkbook and other documents was missing. So, OC while doing some honest yard work just very well maybe a necessity, not just a right!!! Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:02 am by J.Gleason |
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Woodchuck wrote:
No kidding.  |
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POLICE REPORTS: June 15 By Journal Times staff Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51 PM CDT RACINE School counselors threatened Three counselors at Gilmore Middle School, 2330 Northwestern Ave., received written death threats in their school mailboxes on Friday, according to Racine police. Reports said the teachers all received the notes and drawings between 7:50 and 8:10 a.m. in their mailboxes in the school’s main office. The notes and drawings depict bombs, shootings and a dog being killed. RACINE Elderly man robbed in his home An 84-year-old man told Racine police he was robbed inside his residence Friday morning by two suspects. Reports said the suspects walked into the house in the 1400 block of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Drive at 11:35 a.m. and punched the man in the face. The man fell to the ground, and one of the suspects allegedly reached into his front pocket. The robbers took the man’s money clip, which contained an unknown amount of cash, and left, police said. RACINE Man robbed at gunpoint A 57-year-old man was robbed at gunpoint Saturday morning while on the front porch of his home in the 2000 block of Howe Street, Racine police said. The victim told officers he was sitting on the front porch when the suspect ran up to him with a small, black, semi-automatic pistol in his hand. The suspect demanded the man’s wallet, took it and then fled north on Howe Street, reports said. The wallet contained about $180 in cash, credit cards and identification. Man robbed at knifepoint A 62-year-old man told Racine police he was robbed by two suspects Sunday afternoon in the 2100 block of 16th Street. Reports said the man was approached by the suspects who asked if he wanted to buy some “dope.” When the man told them he did not, one of the suspects allegedly pulled out a switchblade knife. Police said the suspects went through the man’s pockets and took his wallet, containing $20 in cash and identification. One of the suspects then punched the man in the face, reports said. Racine rescue was called and transported the man to Wheaton Franciscan-All Saints hospital, 3801 Spring St. Police said he received stitches to a laceration on his forehead. |
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smithman Regular Member
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I invite anybody to listen to any city police scanner. The more you listen, the less chance that you will ever leave home unarmed. |
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Geoff Regular Member 
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... and to think all my old friends (I grew up in Racine) don't understand why I don't go out with them at night. Germantown seems a whole lot better all the sudden. Geoff |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Great posts James. How in the world do politicians find the ignorant gall to claim law abiding citizens don't need guns. NOT TO MENTION the chief of police of a major city (ahem Philandering Fuhrer Flynn) What a dis-service to the citizens of milwaukee to KNOW the criminal element out there and know what the criminal element does and tell people they don't need to protect themselves in Milwaukee. |
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/48963791.html You'll find similar storys here, just Milwaukee county instead of Racine. |
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racine is like the asscrack of SE wisconsin lately... racine pd cant keep up with all the crap going on in that city.. its up to the citizens to defend themselves.. seems like a good city to have mandatory firearm requirements  give every homeowner a gun (teach em to use it if they want that) and watch the criminals filter back down to chicago or up to milwaukee where we dont need guns  Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 03:52 pm by skamp |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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skamp wrote: racine is like the asscrack of SE wisconsin lately... So that would make Kenosha the "Taint" part of the state? |
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Skamp you are partially right, racine is the asscrack of SE wisconsin for it's population. http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=racine&s1=WI&c2=milwaukee&s2=WI |
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APPLETON — A New London man was found guilty of multiple charges arising from the rape of a disabled woman who called police with her medical alert necklace. Eliseo Corona Vargas, 51, was found guilty of second-degree sexual assault, burglary and bail jumping after a jury trial last week in Outagamie County Circuit Court. Judge Mitch Metropulos scheduled sentencing for Aug. 6. In the early morning hours of June 7, 2008, Vargas broke into the woman’s New London apartment while she was sleeping and assaulted her. She activated her medical alert pendant that puts out an automated call through her speakerphone and screamed “someone is raping me.” The medical alert vendor called police who soon arrived and followed a blood trail to a nearby apartment and arrested Vargas. The two were not acquainted. |
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NEENAH — Police will ask that a 16-year-old boy who rammed, punched and disarmed a police officer of an electric stun gun face adult felony charges. Police Chief Kevin Wilkinson said the boy was being held in secure detention in the Outagamie County Jail Wednesday evening. He was taken into custody at his home after his parent called police about 3:30 p.m. and said the boy was "upset, punching walls and brandishing a hatchet." A police officer sent to the home found the boy seated on a bed and tried talking to him. "The juvenile, who is considerably larger than the officer, then lunged at the officer, picking him up and ramming him backwards into a closet," Wilkinson said in a press release. He said the teen tried to take the officer's handgun and Taser, and gained control of the Taser and aimed it at the officer while pulling the trigger. Police said the Taser did not discharge since the boy did not throw the on-off switch. Another officer arrived on the scene and the teen was taken into custody. The officer was injured but did not require medical treatment. Wilkinson said the officer, whose name is not being released by police, has more than five years experience with the department. Wilkinson said police will ask that the teen be charged as an adult, and said possible charges could include battery to a police officer, possession of an electric weapon and attempting to disarm an officer. If they are willing to do this to police what do you think the are willing to do to you? |
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MADISON, Wis. -- A 21-year-old man arrested Tuesday on the city's West Side has confessed to a Father's Day shooting in which five bullets were sprayed at a car, according to Madison police.Authorities said that charges will also likely be filed within two days implicating Stevie L. Triplett in two other serious Madison shootings since January.Triplett is currently being held in the Dane County Jail.Routine detective work found him at a friend's Hammersley Street apartment. There, police recovered a .45 caliber weapon that police say was used in the June 21 shooting at Hammersley and Theresa streets. Authorities said it's one of three guns linked to Triplett, whose real identity had to be verified through the FBI fingerprint database.Triplett gave local police a false name and false birthdates after he was taken into custody, police said.Investigators said that they believe Triplett's street names include "Soul" and "Sean Don." They had been searching for that person, but didn't have a real name until now.Madison's West Precinct Capt. Jay Lengfeld said it appears the Father's Day shooting was related to retaliation by members within one gang.The three shootings that police said that Triplett was involved in are among 10 that they believe are linked, mostly to gang activity. The 10 are among 21 shootings since January citywide. |
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skamp Campaign Veteran
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Nutczak wrote: skamp wrote:racine is like the asscrack of SE wisconsin lately... its funny when i was working in kenosha alot of people consider racine the "ghetto" of kenosha.. so maybe  you can tell when you cross the county line. it goes from quiet highway with nicer looking house to houses that are falling apart within a block of the racine county line. compare racine and kenosha http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Racine&s1=WI&c2=kenosha&s2=WI maybe kenosha was right Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 01:55 pm by skamp |
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J.Gleason wrote: more post count not karma rep thimk man thimk more rite less |
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That is what this thread is for. |
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Geoff Regular Member
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The link has a space at the end, so lets give it another shot. http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Racine&s1=WI&c2=kenosha&s2=WI |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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What about Theresa Halbach who was killed by Steven Avery and his dirt bag nephew. If she had been armed she may still be here today....And we would be less 2 dirt bags  Now he wants a new trial. Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 04:33 pm by J.Gleason |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2009/06/30/news/00lead.txt Apparently the DNR thought a bear walking through La Crosse was enough of a danger to warrant shooting it. Nope... No need for a firearm in Wisconsin |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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http://www.jsonline.com/newswatch/49520412.html 80-Year old man blindfolded, robbed in his home. Nope... no need for a gun in wisconsin... |
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Hugh wrote: "Apparently the DNR thought a bear walking through La Crosse was enough of a danger to warrant shooting it. Nope... No need for a firearm in Wisconsin" Sounds like an unnecessary discharge of a fire arm IMHO. They definitely had other options. Clear the park. A fire hose. An animal taser. Leave it alone and let it go home. How about this one: The stupid people in the area should stop feeding the bears. Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 05:34 pm by J.Gleason |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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hugh jarmis wrote: http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2009/06/30/news/00lead.txt I am NOT ripping in you for posting this Hugh, but the La Crosse bear situation was a complete cluster F#$K in the way it was handled by the police and DNR. If I shot 3 rounds for every bear, wolf or coyote I saw, my ammuntion costs would be higher than my business insurance costs annually! Now this would be a different situation if a bear was charging me (which has never happened to me yet) and I felt threatened by the bear. Most of the time they will turn and run when our paths cross. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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cluster F#$K in the way it was handled by the police and DNR. Oh sure it was. But I just think the hypocrisy is evident. The same law enforcement that claims we don't need a gun turns around and says they "had" to shoot the bear for the safety of others. Can't have it both ways. |
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MOUNT PLEASANT Three robbed at gunpoint Three men told Mount Pleasant police they were robbed by a man with a gun June 17 just after 1 a.m. in the 2100 block of Racine Street. Reports said the men were coming home from dropping a relative off at another house. After getting out of the car, they began walking up the porch steps to their residence. Police said an armed suspect approached them and demanded money. Two of the men handed over their wallets, which contained a combined total of $210. The suspect then fled with a second suspect, who had waiting on the sidewalk, according to reports. Both suspects were described as black men, about 19-20 years old, 5 feet 6 inches tall, with thin builds and shaved heads. Both were wearing black hoodies at the time of the robbery. |
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POLICE REPORTS: June 26 Friday, June 26, 2009 9:45 PM CDT RACINE Man assaulted during robbery attempt A 38-year-old man told Racine police he was attacked by two suspects attempting to rob him in the 1100 block of Villa Street Monday. According to reports, the man said he had been watching a baseball game at a friend’s house and began walking home when he was confronted by the suspects. He told police the suspects demanded his wallet, punched him in the stomach and then repeatedly struck him in the head with his own cane, while they went through his pockets. The victim said he lost consciousness, woke up and went home. On Tuesday, police said the victim went to the hospital for treatment of his injuries. Officers were called to Wheaton Franciscan-All Saints, 3801 Spring St. just before 6 p.m. They took the report from the victim, but noted that there had been no Brewers baseball game on TV Monday and that the man seemed disoriented. RACINE Woman loses teeth in assault A 31-year-old woman was the victim of an aggravated assault Saturday night around 11:35 p.m., according to police reports. The woman was walking home in the 1400 block of 12th Street when an unknown man attacked her from behind and hit her in the face with an unknown object, police reports said. The victim suffered a cut to her lower lip, lost four teeth and damaged an additional tooth, the report said. RACINE Five charged with North Beach assault Five men were charged Tuesday with battery and disorderly conduct for allegedly beating, kicking and hitting a man with beer bottles at North Beach on Sunday. Gabino Mondragon Trinidad, 28, of 4217 Durand Ave.; Jose Trinidad, 26, Miguel Trinidad-Delacruz, 20, Modesto Trinidad, 22, all of 6001 Joanne Drive; and Nicolas Trinidad, 35, of 2225 Layard Ave., have all been charged with using a dangerous weapon to cause bodily harm in a public place. Mondragon Trinidad has also been charged with obstructing a police officer by giving false information. An officer patrolling North Beach on Sunday was alerted to a group of males beating a man within the park. When the officer arrived, the 26-year-old victim was covered in blood, according to the police report. The suspects threw beer bottles at the victim until he fell to the ground, and then began kicking him viciously, in front of at least 75 people at the park, according to a witness in the police report. Nicolas Trinidad reportedly threatened to kill the victim if he told the police what happened, the victim said. Once at the jail, the patrol officer noticed that Jose Trinidad had fresh blood on his pants. “I kicked his (butt), so what?” Jose Trinidad said, according to the police report. “We all kicked his (butt). We don’t care.” Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 09:11 pm by J.Gleason |
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Vilas County July 1,2009 Yep, no need for a gun in Wisconsin (read - sarcasm). Some idiot from Rockford, IL killed his wife. Don't know where it happened but he seemed to feel the northwoods was a good place to escape. His car was found this afternoon up in the Boulder Junction area and later he was apprehended. This is vacationland up here where many leave doors unlocked and keys in cars. Sure it's much better and safer than other areas BUT the point is bad things happen and as many others have said, we are the ones responsible for our own safety. I think of the many scenarios that could have played out if he hadn't been caught. I like to think I'd be prepared should some nutcase decided to elude police at my expense. |
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/49702632.htmlMan shot after leaving nightclub dies Hmm, and in a school-zone. I thought that would be impossible, considering there are laws in place that prevent people from carrying firearms in or within 1,000 feet of a school. |
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AaronS Regular Member
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I would move out of state before I would move to a school zone in Milwaukee. Over half of the reported shootings are in them. |
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AaronS wrote: I would move out of state before I would move to a school zone in Milwaukee. Over half of the reported shootings are in them. I don't know which ones are worse, WI or MI.  |
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protias wrote: AaronS wrote:I would move out of state before I would move to a school zone in Milwaukee. Over half of the reported shootings are in them. Guess I should just stay, and fight... For now... |
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http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/48798512.html A rash of close calls with bears has some on edge heading into this busy outdoor weekend. if (self['plpm'] && plpm['Mid-Story Ad']) document.write('');if (self['plpm'] && plpm['Mid-Story Ad']){ document.write(plpm['Mid-Story Ad']);} else { if(self['plurp'] && plurp['97']){} else {document.write(''); } }if (self['plpm'] && plpm['Mid-Story Ad']) document.write(''); For both a pregnant woman and 15-year-old boy in our area the encounters were too close for comfort. Kelly Wiltrout still wears the evidence of her attack. A simple trip to the trash can outside her Siren, Wisconsin home quickly turned into a fight for survival for her and her unborn child when she came face to face with a bear. Wiltrout says, "I took one hit to the face, one more to the face and shoulder and then it kept it's paw on me." Clearly these bears haven't gotten Jim Doyles memo. He "can't think of a reason why you'd want to carry a gun in Wisconsin" Well Jim... |
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The news does not cover how many times animals run through a city or town. Look how many times there are Deer inside the city limits. Deer are timid animals, so if they are willing to come into town so will the Bear, Coyote, Wolf and yes even Cougar. Find it hard to believe? Do a search on it and you will be amazed and maybe even terrified. Even stranger, the fact that so many people carry a Knife on their belt. Now, While I support their right to self defense and their right to carry that knife; I just can not help but think of that old adage don't bring a knife to a gun fight. In this day and age, you do not hear of many people getting robbed at knife point, and I sure don't see anyone stabbing a bear, wolf, coyote, or cougar with a knife and coming away unharmed if not dead. Now what I find extremely funny is the fact that so many people will carry a cigarette lighter holder, a cigarette pack holder, a dip can holder or even a cell phone on their belt; all of which are either proven or thought to cause you harm, but they don't see the need to carry a gun for protection. Maybe when we are out OCing and we see one of these people we should go up and say to them, " Excuse me sir, I was wondering why you carry that cigarette lighter on your belt. You don't intend to use that here do you? Because I am here shopping with my family and it really makes me nervous that you may start a fire in the store." Time to initiate the MWAL call. Just wait til the state wide smoking ban come into effect. The cops won't be getting MWAG calls they will be getting MWAC calls. The man with the dip can on his belt..." Excuse me sir, You aren't planning to spit on the sidewalk here are you? Because I walk through here sometimes carrying my son and I could slip on that and fall causing harm to myself or even worse my child." Initiate MWAD call...ha ha couldn't resist, sorry! But seriously, if you would carry all of that then tell me this, Why not carry a gun? At least the gun is for safety and protection, the others really won't help you much in this day and age. And finally, If fire arms cannot be lawfully carried in a vehicle the cell phones shouldn't either. After all most people talk on them while they are driving and this can cause an accident and maybe even death. Hence the MWACP call Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:58 pm by J.Gleason |
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The Capital Times — 7/03/2009 11:39 am Multiple officers responded to a call of shots fired on Allied Drive on Thursday night, Madison police reported. Witnesses at the scene told police they saw three men get out of a green or blue Chrysler and get into a confrontation with others at the scene. One of the men pulled a gun and fired several shots, then the men fled. There were no reports of injuries and officers are working to identify the suspects. The first suspect was described as a black male, 6 feet 2 inches tall and about 150 pounds, with light skin and a thin build. The second suspect was described as a black male, 6 feet 2 inches tall with light skin, long hair pulled back in a ponytail, and a small beard and moustache. The third suspect was described as black male, 5 feet 6 inches tall with dark skin, a chubby build, and short hair. |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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So I saw on Channel 4 tonight (milwaukee) a lady was robbed and pistol-whipped leavign miller park after a brewers game. Well... No need to have a gun in Milwaukee now is there! I'll post a link as soon as I find it. |
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hugh jarmis wrote: So I saw on Channel 4 tonight (milwaukee) a lady was robbed and pistol-whipped leavign miller park after a brewers game. Any criminal knows that any law abiding person has been disarmed inside Miller Park. It is easy prey, in the rush of people leaving the park...a cop is not likely to witness anything. |
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Here is a great example of why guns are necessary: http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local_wluk_sepere_staeven_family_benefit_200907101214_rev1 Maybe some OCers could show some support at the benefit if anyone is available. Any Thoughts? |
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Gang member gets life sentence in Good Samaritan killing By John Diedrich of the Journal Sentinel July 10, 2009 | Like the Good Samaritan, Kevin Hirschfield stopped to help a stranger. But unlike the biblical character, Hirschfield died for his good deed. The 26-year-old Oak Creek man was gunned down outside a Cudahy gas station in 2003 after he stopped to help a man being beaten by what turned out to be members of the Latin Kings. The gang's leader ordered Hirschfield killed. Three subordinates obliged, pumping 12 bullets into Hirschfield. One of the shooters, Emmanuel "TuTu" Martinez, was sentenced Friday to life in federal prison. Besides killing Hirschfield, Martinez shot a rival gang member in the head. That man survived. Martinez admitted to shooting Hirschfield and the rival gang member. More than 30 members of Hirschfield's family and Martinez's family filled the courtroom Friday. "You took my brother without hesitation and without sorrow," said Hirschfield's sister, Stephanie Mackey. "There is no reason why you do what you do and no excuse. You disgust me." »Read Full Article POLICE REPORTS: July 7 Tuesday, July 7, 2009 6:46 PM CDT RACINE Woman beaten with keys A 40-year-old Racine woman was the victim of an aggravated assault June 28 when she was trying to protect her son, according to the Racine Police Department. The woman was trying to protect her son from several individuals attempting to beat him up at the corner of Irving Place and 12th Street around 1:30 a.m. The woman managed to get her son into her car and was then punched and hit with keys inside of a sock by two female suspects, police said. The woman went to St. Mary’s Medical Center for a broken nose and torn iris in her left eye, according to a police report. Racine Woman robbed of diabetes medication A 49-year-old Racine woman was robbed Thursday while attempting to enter her residence in the 1200 block of Villa Street, police reports said. Around 11:24 p.m., the woman, who was carrying several bags, was opening her home’s door when a black male approached from the side of the building and forced her inside. The suspect placed a hand over the woman’s mouth to keep her from yelling and then pushed her down a few stairs into the basement, according to the report. The woman’s roommate then heard the altercation and called police. The suspect fled with the woman’s bags, containing $148 worth of diabetes medication and testing materials, the report said. Racine Man jumped by suspects in car A 41-year-old Racine man was robbed Friday around 11:20 p.m. when a vehicle pulled up beside him and its occupant began assaulting him, Racine police said. The man was robbed of $25 in cash taken from his pants pocket at the corner of West Boulevard and Martin Luther King Jr. Drive. He was not injured, the report said. The victim knew the male suspect from HALO, Racine s Homeless Assistance Leadership Organization, and had been at a bar with him earlier that night, according to the report. Racine Robbery at Gun Point Thursday Three men were robbed at gunpoint Thursday with one of the men being “pistol whipped,” according to police reports. The men, all of Racine, were working on a car in the 1800 block of Racine Street at 9:35 a.m. when another male approached them aiming and pointing a semi-automatic handgun, the report said. The men, aged 17, 36 and 48, were robbed of two IDs and one wallet. One of the men also received minor abrasions and lacerations to the head and neck from being struck with the suspect’s gun, police said. Racine Disabled man robbed of more than $1,000 A 55-year-old Racine man with a disability that impedes his walking ability was robbed Wednesday by three men, police reports said. The disabled man was entering his apartment in the 4000 block of Maryland Avenue when the three suspects forced their way into his building. The suspects implied they had a gun and took the man’s wallet, ID, debit card and $1050 in cash from the man’s wallet, pockets and sock, according to the report. Hmmm, No need for guns? Last edited on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 03:56 pm by J.Gleason |
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here is a link of police calls not reported by the racine journal times. http://racineuncovered.wordpress.com/ |
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Amazing, I grew up in Racine and I never dreamed that city would turn out the way it is. How can anyone raise a family there? |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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But Menomonee Falls is such a nice suburban area? You don't need a gun in the suburbs do you???????? http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/50721277.html |
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Need a gun for protection? Come on!!! That's what we have 911 and the police for. It was their mistake for not making the call much earlier, like before any of this started. After all, 911 works so well in Madison... |
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52 year old man killed on s 64 in west allis for defending his friend after he got sucker punched by a group of punks. WE DON"T NEED GUNS!!!!!! YA RIGHT |
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Geoff Regular Member
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I think if we just outlaw "punks" the rest of our problems will solve themselves :-) <edit> just kidding </edit> geoff Last edited on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 08:16 pm by Geoff |
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WOW...... I had no idea Racine was such a dangerous place. My wife and I were there last Oct. We were visiting Kenosha like we do every year or two. Also there for my sisters funeral in another town close by. We stayed at the Merriott and in the evening went to The SteakHouse for dinner. Got there about 6:30 PM. There was a cop on duty in the parking lot in back. I parked right next the cop and jokingly thanked him for saving me a parking place. He seemed to be a pretty good guy. What he didnt know was my Taurus 38 Spec. was on the front drivers side floor of my SUV. We went in to the Bar and each had three drinks before and during dinner. Im a Martini man and have been drinking that crap for years so I can really handle them. When we left I got lost trying to go back west on Washington because of the oneway streets and I think some construction. Now that I think about it we might have been in a lot of danger! Its too bad but I just cant see going back again until Wisc. honors my CC permit. When and if that happens I wont be drinking my three and carrying into the bar but will CC when driving away. |
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 Well, I can't get any links to work but google Akron hate crime or the video on You Tube and while it's Ohio, I could see this happening in Milwaukee or Racine. Surprised this wasn't posted in the Ohio group. |
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Geoff wrote: I think if we just outlaw "punks" the rest of our problems will solve themselves :-) I think if we are gona make a new law, we should demand that "punks" call 911 just before any given crime. This way, if they hurt anyone, the ambulance will be on the way... |
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A definite need for a gun! http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/28482.html |
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Watertown Wisconsin where local cops harass citizens interested in protecting themselves and their families is receiving national attention as the center of a murdering Mexican drug cartel. http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/071809/nat_465349695.shtml |
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How about this, twice in the last two or so week’s police were unable to apprehend armed suspects. 1st in Mequon @ two weeks ago, a bank robbery suspect disappeared into the “woods” behind the bank, police reversed 911 everyone in the area and told them to lock there houses! 2nd yesterday, police failed to catch a armed robber after a high speed chase that started in Fox Point and ended in Whitefish Bay. The robber ditched his car, after the police spiked the tires, and vanished into the neighborhood. |
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I moved from a nice up-scale suburban town not far enough from I-95. One early AM, about 0330, I woke to the sound of big engines idling at high speed. On investigating, armed, I found my cul-de-sac full of fire rigs and the adjacent one full of hazmat step-off areas and blowers - and my Chief of Police, Roddy Perry, RIP. He explained that they were cleaning a meth cooker's house. Not a dozen paces from my door and just out of sight around the corner of a neighbor's house. He admonished me for not being "a good and nosy neighbor". I became a good neighbor and got to know every one near by. I became HOA president. I made sure that I was always obviously armed. The owner of the cookery was not jailed and harassed the little old lady neighbors. I harassed him back. |
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Interceptor_Knight Regular Member
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Flipper wrote: Watertown Wisconsin where local cops harass citizens interested in protecting themselves and their families What have they been doing?? |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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Doug Huffman wrote: I moved from a nice up-scale suburban town not far enough from I-95. One early AM, about 0330, I woke to the sound of big engines idling at high speed. On investigating, armed, I found my cul-de-sac full of fire rigs and the adjacent one full of hazmat step-off areas and blowers - and my Chief of Police, Roddy Perry, RIP. Doug, Your story brings up a valid point that applies to the northwoods, and almost any rural area of WI. Several local law enforcement departments are warning about meth labs in the woods, and what to look for and how to react if you suspect finding one. (propane tanks with green discolored valves, Lye containers & such laying around and a strong chemical smell) Apparently several Meth-cooks have been setting up shop out in the forest lands up here ( Lincoln County has earned the title of "meth capitol of the state" ) But at the same time we have the WIDNR wanting to cite people for hunting out of season or hunting with no license for carrying a firearm in the woods. And then we have McNaughton Correctional facility (very low security) just down the road, and they have a work release program where several local business's hire inmates to do grunt work for very little pay. Only a few inmates have escaped in the past years while on work release, but I still feel it is a big enough threat if a desperate convict wants to part ways with the system for me to carry in this sleepy little town. But we still have several people who ask "why do you think you need a gun up here to protect yourself?" Edited for spelling corrections, I have a sticky "F" key on my keyboard. Last edited on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 09:58 pm by Nutczak |
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I agree, the small town governments in this state all seem to think that there are no serious threats to the general occupation. The truth is they really do not want you to know just how many threats there are because then you might feel you need to exercise your rights and protect yourself. As far as those minimum institutions go the state seems to think there is no need for concern with these guys yet they still keep them in prison. If they are not a danger to society then let them go so we can worry about those who are. Last edited on Mon Jul 20th, 2009 01:30 am by J.Gleason |
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J.Gleason wrote: I agree, the small town governments in this state all seem to think that there are no serious threats to the general occupation. The truth is they really do not want you to know just how many threats there are because then you might feel you need to exercise your rights and protect yourself. It isn't just the "small town governments." It's the general public, and their "it can't happen here" attitude. That is why people/employees complain at some places we carry, and why we have all these FUBAR gun laws in Wisconsin, because in their FEARFUL mind, "there is no need for us to carry." If we really need to carry, then they must admit their little piece of the earth isn't the dreamland utopia they think it is. I would love to have to NEVER CARRY a firearm, but that is NOT the world we live in. |
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Interceptor_Knight wrote: Flipper wrote:Watertown Wisconsin where local cops harass citizens interested in protecting themselves and their families http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/28201.html |
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I think the risk in small towns isn't street thugs and gangs, its drug producers (meth, pot), to some extent wild animals, and may I also mention a few Barney Fifes. then there are the crazy people who live anywhere, and they can be in a large town or a small town. So yes, you should carry when in a large town or a small town. You are simply trading risks for another. |
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Flipper wrote: Watertown Wisconsin where local cops harass citizens interested in protecting themselves and their families is receiving national attention as the center of a murdering Mexican drug cartel. Picking 2 fights at the same time may not be the best way to get a point across. Educating the public by carrying open is tainted when you butt heads with the local LEOs. Don't forget that we need to educate them also.... Refusing to show ID on the grounds that "you don't have to" is not the way to remain on the good side of the police whos job it is to respond when someone calls about a man with a gun. Cooperate with them and they will be more likely to cooperate with us. EVERYTHING is political. We need to work smart not hard.... Last edited on Mon Jul 20th, 2009 03:58 am by Interceptor_Knight |
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hugh jarmis wrote: June 18th... Nope, No need for a gun in Milwaukee. Who would need a gun in a candy store? My gf and her brothers were good friends with one of his sons. He barely made much money at the store and got along with people in the neighborhood, even the teenagers. I'll never get my head wrapped around why people do these kinds of things |
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June 30. two men shot in Betroit. One dead, one injured. July 18. 17 year old girl shot in "the hood" in critical condition. Betroit population about 35,000. Our district Senator is an ex nurse, our state Rep is a physician. Both are extremely anti gun. |
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Interceptor_Knight wrote: Picking 2 fights at the same time may not be the best way to get a point across. Educating the public by carrying open is tainted when you butt heads with the local LEOs. Don't forget that we need to educate them also....-1 This argument is well encapsulated by the epithet Law Enforcement Officer. Better they be called Peace Officers or Constables On Patrol. They are public servants. We have only the Rights that we defend. Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. |
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Doug Huffman wrote: This argument is well encapsulated by the epithet Law Enforcement Officer. Better they be called Peace Officers or Constables On Patrol. We both know what the reality is. Because we are a nation of laws, the Police have become LEOs by default. Because there is little respect for the law and at the same time there are those with a sense of entitlement who desire for the LEOs to do their bidding in every minor disagreement they have with fellow citizens, the role of Police Officers is less than ideal. All I am saying is that there is a time for action and there is a time for restraint of action. It may not make sense to fight every battle every time. Escalating a confrontation may not always make sense. |
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POLICE REPORTS: July 20 By Journal Times staff Monday, July 20, 2009 6:05 PM CDT RACINE Couple robbed of medication Racine police said a couple inside a home in the 1000 block of Washington Avenue was robbed Sunday night when they opened the door to a man with a gun instead of the company they were expecting. Reports said the 40-year-old woman and 57-year-old man heard a noise at the door around 10 p.m. They told police they were waiting for friends to come over, so the woman went to answer the door. The suspect, holding a silver handgun, forced his way into the house, reports said. He asked for someone by name and then went to a bedroom in the home, according to police. The couple told officers the suspect took a medication bag that contained the man’s cancer and pain medications, and left. The suspect was described as a white man in his late 20s to early 30s, 150 to 160 pounds and approximately 5 feet 10 inches to 6 feet tall. At the time of the incident he was wearing a black baseball hat, black mask, black hoodie, black pants and leather gloves. Man assaulted at Popeye’s A 40-year-old man was struck in the head with a gun Friday night after a confrontation with two suspects outside Popeye’s restaurant, 920 Washington Ave., according to Racine police. Reports said the man believed the two suspects were responsible for burglarizing his residence on an earlier date and saw them outside his home on Friday. The victim told police he yelled at the two men to get off his property. At 11:39 p.m. the man walked to Popeye’s to get a soda and was confronted by the two suspects, reports said. An employee of the restaurant saw the men arguing, and at some point the fight went into the restaurant. The victim was punched and then struck in the head with a gun, witnesses told police. He suffered a laceration to his head and was taken by Racine rescue to Wheaton Franciscan-All Saints hospital, 3801 Spring St. A description of the offenders by witnesses led police to arrest one of the suspects. Marquan L. Washington, 17, of 1204 10th St., was arrested on charges of aggravated battery. No detailed description was available for the other suspect. RACINE Man stabbed during attempted robbery Racine police said a 34-year-old man was stabbed in the shoulder Sunday night during an attempted robbery in the 1400 block of Douglas Avenue. Reports said the victim had just left the Winner’s Circle, 1403 Superior St., and was walking to his vehicle, when the suspect grabbed him. The victim told police he refused to give the suspect anything and they began to fight. The man was stabbed in the shoulder during the altercation — the weapon was not identified in reports. He was then taken to Wheaton Franciscan-All Saints hospital, 3801 Spring St., by his girlfriend. Last edited on Tue Jul 21st, 2009 04:52 pm by J.Gleason |
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From the hometown of the anti-personal defense elitists Jim Doyle and Tammy Baldwin: A 45-year-old Madison man was mugged Saturday night while walking behind an apartment building on the city's south side. http://www.madison.com/tct/news/police/459092 A 20-year-old Madison man suffered abrasions to his face, neck and back early Thursday morning after losing a pizza and cell phone to half a dozen muggers on the city's isthmus. http://www.madison.com/tct/news/police/458982 Of course Doyle and Baldwin do not have to worry about such inconveniences of life, they are not part of the unwashed masses. |
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Flipper wrote:
Doyle is anti gun but he likes his armed security. Isn't that typical of corrupt politicians? But I wish he would forgo his security detail and spend one night in Madison delivering pizza from 9pm-1am and he may have a different outlook on carrying a gun. MAYBE.... |
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One brother killed, another wounded in double shooting By Linda Spice July 22, 2009 6:40 a.m. | Gunfire wounded two brothers overnight, killing one and leaving the other in guarded condition at Froedtert Hospital in Wauwatosa, according to Milwaukee police. Police reported that one of the men, 43, died at the scene after he was shot under the left armpit while seated in a vehicle at the rear of 9403 W. Silver Spring Drive about midnight. His 42-year-old brother was also shot in the lower back but ran from the scene and collapsed in the middle of the road nearby. Investigators are seeking three people in connection with the shooting. The case remains under investigation and police are attempting to determine whether the shootings were drug-related. |
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skamp wrote: One brother killed, another wounded in double shooting By Linda Spice July 22, 2009 6:40 a.m. | Gunfire wounded two brothers overnight, killing one and leaving the other in guarded condition at Froedtert Hospital in Wauwatosa, according to Milwaukee police. Absolutley no description of the perpetrators or the victims listed in the article? But we do have a small clue to their identity by the address of the incident. In that area of the city, the shooting could have been over something as trivial as a chicken wing. |
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It's disrespect man, you know. That's how they do. The 4 family apt. bldgs. out there are bad news. |
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http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/51856752.htmlThird Riverwest Shooting in July seems like if your walking in Riverwest you need to be walking at low ready |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Indeed! If you aren't carrying in Riverwest you are rolling the dice with your life/safety. When Mayor Barrett talks about not needing a gun in Milwaukee, what the hell is he thinking? Maybe he should leave the bodyguard at home and go for a walk through riverwest alone at night and see just how safe milwaukee is.  |
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And from the hometown of Wisconsin's elitist governor: Two men attacked in home Two men were attacked inside their home on the east side early Tuesday morning, with one suffering a broken eye socket and the other getting stabbed, Madison police reported. The attack happened about 1 a.m. in an apartment in the 2200 block of Independence Lane. Madison police said the injuries were non-life threatening, and the attack did not appear to be a random act. The suspects, two black men and two white men, knocked on the door of the apartment and barged into the residence when the door was opened. "They battered both victims with an object," said Lt. John Radovan. "One victim suffered a fractured orbital bone and the other was stabbed twice." The case remains under investigation. Police probing Saturday night Allied Drive gunshots Shots were fired on Allied Drive Saturday night, but by the time police arrived, the shooter had vanished. The gunfire was about 11:30 p.m. Saturday in the 2300 block of Allied Drive, Madison police reported. A Madison police officer on routine patrol heard seven or eight shots being fired. "He saw a group of people quickly move out of the area," said police spokesman Joel DeSpain. "When he went to investigate, he could smell burnt gunpowder in the air but he found no shell casings and didn't see the shooter. Another example of how the police are only minutes away and a practical application of how that nutty microstamping legislation now being considered and being pushed hard by Doyle, the Milwaukee politicans and Flynn will really work. Last edited on Tue Jul 28th, 2009 05:46 pm by Flipper |
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hugh jarmis wrote:
And be out and about the rest of us common folk . It is easy to condem something that you don't have to worry about. Better yet maybe he should just ONCE sit down and talk with people who believe in the RKBA. (I know, I know, wishful thinking ) |
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you don't believe there is a need for a gun anywhere then watch this video and the series that follows. It will definitely change your mind. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=32281121� |
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I bet the pizza delivery guy in Greenfield wished that he had a gun to protect himself. http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-090803-pizza-robbery,0,1262394.story When seconds count, the police are minutes away.... |
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Bump to top! |
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Man Shot For His Vintage Ride By Stephanie Graham MILWAUKEE - Someone shot a man and stole his vintage ride. It happened behind a tavern near Hopkins and Hampton early Saturday morning. Milwaukee police say the 30-year-old man was shot in the stomach and the foot. The suspect then drove off in his 1970-era Chevy Impala. The victim staggered into Ealys OO tavern where patrons aided him until the arrival of police and fire units. Officers found the car about 40 minutes later at 14th and Congress. A suspect was arrested after a short foot chase. The shooting victim was taken to Froedtert Hospital for surgery. |
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J.Gleason wrote: Man Shot For His Vintage Ride By Stephanie Graham MILWAUKEE - Someone shot a man and stole his vintage ride. Thats a sad story, if he was armed OC maybe the story would have been told differently. Man attempts to steal classic car, but flee's when confronted by the owner that was OC his pistol..... Yet, if we all open carry it will be the wild west all over again. The only thing that happened in the wild west was, outlaws got hung in the town square the next day. We need this type o punishment now. An armed society is a very polite society. What a shame this person had to be another victim. |
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A prime example as to why people should be allowed to OC in a vehicle. |
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JG Regular Member
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Yea Glock, Its the wild west all over Wisc. and most other states. How about the eighteen year old good kid that got killed and his boss wounded a couple of weeks ago at a drive-in in Kenosha. Then there is the guy in Paddocks lake that got robbed at gunpoint by some fool on a bicycle!!! It makes me angry the way the OC law is about 1000ft. school zones and OC in your car. If you can not OC in your car why then in your home? Isnt your car the same as your home when it comes to protecting yourself and your family? Jeez, I better stop , my blood pressure is going up In my state where I have a CC permit, my car, my yard and my home are cosidered by law where I can protect myself and my family!!! |
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Glock34 Campaign Veteran
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JG wrote: Yea Glock, Its the wild west all over Wisc. and most other states. How about the eighteen year old good kid that got killed and his boss wounded a couple of weeks ago at a drive-in in Kenosha. Then there is the guy in Paddocks lake that got robbed at gunpoint by some fool on a bicycle!!! It makes me angry the way the OC law is about 1000ft. school zones and OC in your car. If you can not OC in your car why then in your home?I understand that you are upset as I am , but >> The wild west thing, was me being sarcastic, I was ripping on the anti gun types. Just relax. Last edited on Mon Aug 10th, 2009 04:57 am by Glock34 |
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He can't legally Open Carry in a tavern without special permission. He can't legally have anything to drink and OC (Watertown thread). If the guy was OCing without having been in the tavern or drinking and got shot defending himself, he couldn't legally go into the tavern with his sidearm and ask for help. He couldn't legally sit in his car while armed, and would have to disarm before entering, making him an ideal victim at that point. Why is the law in favor of criminals? Because we elect crooks to office. |
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Pointman wrote: Why is the law in favor of criminals? Because criminals don't care about laws, thus they are not hampered by them. It think it has more to do with that then the idiots who get in office. Criminals have no real fear of consequences so they can act and do as they please. In a way they are more free then we are. Anti-gun legislation is feel-good BS designed to make the sheeple think they're safe. Sheeple : "I don't need a gun, those things are evil! The law and police will protect me." Last edited on Mon Aug 10th, 2009 04:47 pm by GlockMeisterG21 |
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Arrests in Shooting Near Marquette Campus the suspects took off when the victim got the gun from them.. could have prevented the whole thing by carrying himself.. they can say that crime is down all they want.. that doesnt change the fact that arming the law-abiding citizens will reduce crime more and faster! |
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Looks like the Marquette public Safety did a good job and were on the ball. Flynn must have gotten up and went home early. His troops seemed to waste no time getting there to arrest the crap. There are probably some pretty good guys on the MP force. I agree if the guy had been OC this may not of happened and your jails would have that many less fools in them. |
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No wait! we have been wrong all this time! This is all we need: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vyxgJLJVA |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/53141847.html Anyone know what to make of this one? |
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J.Gleason Campaign Veteran
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This could be a good one! I wonder why the other news agencys did not pick this up I don't trust the media or the police in Milwaukee. This could be some made up BS. Molon Labe! Last edited on Thu Aug 13th, 2009 06:20 pm by J.Gleason |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member
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Incompetent reportage based on insufficient information. |
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Never would have happened if they would have had some Gun Free Zone signs. |
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European hoops player dies from gunshot in Milwaukee Wis http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BKO_PLAYER_SHOT_WIOL-?SITE=WIMAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT |
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WEST ALLIS, Wis. (AP) — A man working in a West Allis clothing store was shot in the chest and killed during an apparent robbery attempt Saturday. Where were the West Allis police? |
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Nutczak Regular Member
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Tomahawk Wisconsin, August 2009: Man in FL gets call from friends vacationing at his WI lake home "Someone has been living in your home while you're away, what should we do?" 2 attractive females go away for a weekend up north at a friends vacant lake home with his permission, upon unlocking the door they find all sorts of stuff inside that does not belong there. Someone is obviously squatting at the residence? Where are the squatters? When will they show up? What will they do when they get here? Ahs anything been stolen? Are they using it as a meth-lab? Are they dangerous? It just happened, I was involved with trying to get things figured out for the owner and getting the home secured for the visitors. |
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Barrett recovering from attack after leaving State Fair with family Updated: 10:32 a.m. | Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett was recovering Sunday morning after he was beaten with a pipe after leaving the Wisconsin State Fair with his family Saturday night. To bad he hates guns... Good thing for him the man only had a pipe, and not a gun, or our Mayor would be dead... I guess there is no need for a gun. Just use your head to stop the pipe... Last edited on Sun Aug 16th, 2009 05:35 pm by AaronS |
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Never would have happened if they would have posted "No Pipe Zone" signs |
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J.Gleason wrote: Never would have happened if they would have posted "No Pipe Zone" signs |
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Ga. animal lovers killed by pack of wild dogs LEXINGTON, Ga. (AP) - A shredded piece of shirt, some strands of hair and bloodstained dirt are all that remain along the rural stretch of road where authorities believe a pack of wild dogs fatally mauled an elderly couple. Sherry Schweder, a 65-year-old animal lover, was taking an evening stroll when she was attacked. Her husband, Lothar Schweder, a retired professor, had gone out in search of her. Paramedics who came to the grisly scene Saturday morning found the suspected attackers standing guard. While it's unclear exactly what happened because there were no witnesses, officials have rounded up 16 dogs they believe were involved. It was the same group of medium-sized, mixed-breed dogs Sherry Schweder worried about, wondering if anyone was taking care of them as she saw them wander around. Experts say the attack is extremely rare - so rare "you are more likely to killed by a bolt of lightening than by a dog," said Adam Goldfarb, a spokesman for the Humane Society of the United States. The feral dogs didn't belong to anyone, but a man who owns a house at the end of the road had been feeding them, said Oglethorpe County sheriff's Capt. Shalon Huff. The man told authorities the dogs never behaved aggressively toward him, and he did not believe the dogs had killed the couple. "Sometimes the pack mentality can play a role. One dog gets aroused and that revs up his buddies," Goldfarb said. The dogs were aggressive toward authorities who rounded them up using traps and tranquilizers, Huff said. At one point, a group of them cornered two people against a vehicle. There were no signs the dogs were rabid, Huff said. Authorities believe Sherry Schweder went for an evening walk near her home on Friday, perhaps looking for one of her own dogs that had been missing for about a month. At some point, Schweder was attacked. Preliminary autopsy results showed she died from animal bites. Authorities believe Lothar Schweder, 77, later went looking for her in his car and came across his wife's body. There were signs of a scuffle, several shoe prints and what appeared to be paw prints in the mud, authorities said. He may have tried to pull out his cell phone before he succumbed to the attack, Madison County Coroner James Mathews said. Autopsy results show Lothar Schweder also died of injuries from multiple animal bites. A group of Jehovah's Witnesses walking in the same area discovered the bodies Saturday morning and called police. Four days later, a faint unpleasant smell still hung in the air. Last edited on Wed Aug 19th, 2009 12:15 am by Flipper |
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i know its been posted a million time already.. but for the sake of conserving space http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/53574312.html man kills 2 would-be robbers |
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Sajuuk Regular Member
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They must have had the guns unloaded and encased until they got into the store, what with all the schools around 12th and Mitchell. |
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/57603812.html Woman Murdered in Waukesha By WTMJ News Team WAUKESHA - Waukesha Police say a 21-year-old woman was stabbed to death late Saturday night on West Avenue at Wood Street. She was found dead in her car. Investigators believe her ex-boyfriend is to blame. Milwaukee police arrested him around 6 o'clock Sunday morning at the Midpoint Motel on Appleton Avenue. Police say the 29-year-old suspect was released from prison on September 1. He has a long criminal record. Investigators aren't releasing the woman's name or any other details. |
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/57692437.html Nope! Noe need for a gun in Milwaukee. Chief "Furor" Flynn says all we need is "Good" Police work. I guess you don't need to defend yourself becuase if you get killed by a serial killer, some 20 years later the Milwaukee police will be able to solve the crime and give your grieving family some closure. By the way did you like the way that Barrett kept showing his broken hand so he can keep the media attention focused on what a hero he is? I like how Flynn points out that there were over 200 Homicides in this very same neighborhood. Nope! No need for a gun. Oh and let's not forget about the burbs: http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/57603812.html?video=pop&t=a&bctid=CLIP_ID_115336 Last edited on Tue Sep 8th, 2009 02:15 pm by J.Gleason |
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Ban open carry of lumber in Madison. http://host.madison.com/ct/article_e3cb1140-9c91-11de-a203-001cc4c03286.html |
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hugh jarmis Centurion Member
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Flipper wrote: Ban open carry of lumber in Madison. See... Only carpenters should be able to have lumber. When your average citizen has access to lumber, this kind of thing happens. Where did this guy buy the lumber? Why is a store selling lumber to someone with nefarious purpose? |
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No sir, no need to carry a gun in Madison. I wonder how many lumps the victim took between the time of the first lump and the time that the police arrived. Last edited on Wed Sep 9th, 2009 12:35 am by J.Gleason |
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If you carried a gun, you wouldn't be victimized by a serial killer. If you carried a gun people would treat you with respect and courtesy- like a cop- dig there. If you carried a gun, even if you couldn't draw, you could have whacked His Honor The Mayor's assailant on the head with it, and maybe given time for the civil authorities to get there, to protect His Honor Mr. Mayor. |
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http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/58140517.html shot for not having money! |
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Near where Travis was arrested. http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/article_169bbdac-a153-11de-9a6e-001cc4c002e0.html |
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I didn't read all of the 7 pages of this, but i have a question. Would it be disrespectful to invoke the name of britney Zimmerman to point out why people need to be armed and prepared and "calling the cops" doesn't always work out??? |
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Why would it be disrespectful if it was already in the news? |
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It's not about the Guns, it's about the violence and the need for self protection. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32890303/ns/world_news-europe |
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Violent crime spreading to Madison burb with no carry ordinance: http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11163401 |
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Shot for not having money?! Boy, am I a target! |
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http://www.wisn.com/news/21248154/detail.html
if flynn expects us all to be good sheep and just call 911 and wait. why doesnt he tell his officers to do the same while off duty? |
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hugh jarmis wrote: Flipper wrote:Ban open carry of lumber in Madison. Bloomberg will get to the top of this. I bet the lumber was bought on the internet, or even worse! At a construction TRADE SHOW where there are so many knot holes you don't even have to show an ID. |
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BRIGHTOWN TOWNSHIP, Wis. -- The Kenosha County Sheriff's Department is investigating a fatal home invasion. I wonder if this guy is a victim of the 2 day waiting period? if they think it wasnt random maybe he knew? |
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Here is the story and 911 call: Friend of Kenosha County Sheriff Dead after Home Invasion Audio: [url=javascript:openPopup('http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/newstogo/64109437.html?video=pop&t=a','video','scrollbars=yes,width=800,height=630,screenx=15,screeny=15,')]911 Call[/url] (WARNING: Graphic content) TOWN OF BRIGHTON - One person is dead and four people are arrested after an invasion of a home, and the victim was a friend of Kenosha County's Sheriff. The invasion happened shortly after 12:00 a.m. Tuesday on the 23900 block of County Highway K in the Town of Brighton in Kenosha County. The Sheriff's Department says Susan Leydell called 911 to report men with guns breaking into her home, thinking there would be drugs and money in the house. "They know I'm calling you. They're still standing, looking around for dope," said Susan on a 911 call. Those men were fighting with her 50-year-old husband Robin Leydell downstairs. She later found Robin bleeding and told 911 that the men had left the home. Robin later died at a hospital. A deputy heard the radio call and followed the getaway car. He arrested four suspects, who had weapons in the car, a few miles from the scene on Highway 83 just south of Highway 50. Apparently, one of the suspects went to high school with Robin in the 1970's. Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth knew Robin and that suspect from high school. "We always think it happens to other people, and this time, it happened to people that I knew," said Beth. "This really hit home for me." Officials with the Kenosha County Sheriff's Department say the incident does not appear to be a random act. He credits Susan's demeanor and actions for helping to arrest the suspects. Susan apparently did not discover how seriously her husband was hurt until after the men had left the house. Highlighted for all of the skeptics and anti's. |
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http://www.cbs58.com/index.php?aid=9795 So a 21 year old is now dead because he could not defend himself. http://maps.google.com/maps/place?ftid=0x88051b9c6bb947dd:0xebd86e0b5c5a3ce0&q=44th+and+Clarke+St,+milwaukee&hl=en&cad=src:ppiwlink&ei=NsrsSuaUOJiayATMjLzRCQ I thought gun free zones were just that? No guns allowed. There should not have been a firearm in that area because they illegal right?  |
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protias Regular Member
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Another shooting last night, in another school zone. http://www.wisn.com/news/21489834/detail.html Why don't people see that being disarmed in these "gun free zones," that it does nothing more than to help the criminal?! |
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