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OK here goes,

Without pissing any one off, the name of this forum is Open Carry. Not Screw with some one for their take on the subject. If I want to hear bickering and adolescent name calling I can call my kids.

I am recently back after an absence and have been astonished by all the name calling as well as basic fighting going on. If the practice of open carry isn't for you, by all means leave. There are forums all over the web for any intrest, hobby or passion.

This forum has until lately been an excellent source of information as well as a place to vent when my rights have been trampled. A place where free citizens of the same belief can find santuary if you will. I am sure I am not the only member of this mind. Many members have much to offer in the way of advice legal and otherwise, why make it a place of sarcism and stone throwing?  Do we not get enough of that everywhere ealse for our beliefs? If you are a CC advocate, a cat lover , whatever find YOUR  FORUM................THIS IS OPEN CARRY......................................

Fire Away

 

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Agrees with Dan 100%

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This forum is one of the least moderated--i.e., freest--forums on the web.  Freedom is messy.  If you don't like it, confine yourself to forums where the moderators enforce many rules.

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:) Thank you very much, like you said it used to be fun and educational to come here but this last week hasn't been to good around here. Good post their captain Dan.

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"Freedom is messy."

Ride down to the Harley gathering on private property  known as the Biloxi Blowout on a Vespa scooter.
Be sure to wear your t-shirt which proclaims "Harley sucks."
Jump up and down, cursing and screaming at the crowd, insulting their choice of ride.

Let me know how that turns out.

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CaptainDan wrote: This forum has until lately been an excellent source of information as well as a place to vent when my rights have been trampled. A place where free citizens of the same belief can find santuary if you will. I am sure I am not the only member of this mind. Many members have much to offer in the way of advice legal and otherwise, why make it a place of sarcism and stone throwing?  Do we not get enough of that everywhere ealse for our beliefs? If you are a CC advocate, a cat lover , whatever find YOUR  FORUM................THIS IS OPEN CARRY......................................

Fire Away

 


+1 :)

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Flyer22 wrote: This forum is one of the least moderated--i.e., freest--forums on the web.  Freedom is messy.  If you don't like it, confine yourself to forums where the moderators enforce many rules.
It doesn't have to be this messy. Personally, I'd like to see some more moderation around here. It doesn't  have to be as strict as some other forums, but there's got to be something better than the free for all we've got now. This isn't supposed to be a completely free forum. It's supposed to be about OC, not everything that pops into your skull.  And just because you can come up with some tenuous connection doesn't mean it's actually OC related. Any subject at all can be related to OC if you try hard enough.

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slightly off-topic is ONE thing, but being posted by those who either don't OC or are OPPOSED to OC is another thing.


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Ok, I was going to start a new topic and post this Friday, but I had "pressing" matters that did not permit me to do so. I too came back after being out of town working. I was taken aback by the amount of name calling. I started doing some research, (sorry it is just my nature). I found that Mark was being targeted specifically and open carry on a lesser level. I also found the following.

Derf JOINED 6/13/09

ROFLMAO (interesting choice) Logged as guest only.

KDick3 JOINED 6/18/09

LSUShawn JOINED 6/13/09

BayouBocephus JOINED 6/13/09

Seems like a truly concerted, organized effort against you Mark.

For those that do not know, you can click the username and see the posts all in line. Nothing I read from either of these above were anything other than a direct attack of Mark or Open Carry. They even drummed up Months old topics to take their stab.

To bad we do not have ignore option.

I would like to suggest that moderators block members, but that could be counter-productive. Just know that there is often a reason we see things.

 

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Someone else PM'd me, told me "you must be doing something right, you've got 'em all coming at you."
LOL, must be true.
Wonder how many of them are LEO's/ LEO wannabes?
One thing's for sure: they don't like someone bringing OC to the forefront of attention.
OH, I guess I could take one of their suggestions: OC at home where it won't offend anyone.

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Syntax Error wrote: Ok, I was going to start a new topic and post this Friday, but I had "pressing" matters that did not permit me to do so. I too came back after being out of town working. I was taken aback by the amount of name calling. I started doing some research, (sorry it is just my nature). I found that Mark was being targeted specifically and open carry on a lesser level. I also found the following.

Derf JOINED 6/13/09

ROFLMAO (interesting choice) Logged as guest only.

KDick3 JOINED 6/18/09

LSUShawn JOINED 6/13/09

BayouBocephus JOINED 6/13/09

Seems like a truly concerted, organized effort against you Mark.

For those that do not know, you can click the username and see the posts all in line. Nothing I read from either of these above were anything other than a direct attack of Mark or Open Carry. They even drummed up Months old topics to take their stab.

To bad we do not have ignore option.

I would like to suggest that moderators block members, but that could be counter-productive. Just know that there is often a reason we see things.

 

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Matt

Absolutely, he is being targeted.

Check out the registration and posting history of JeepSeller, and the registrations of Glock23-4-Me and oneinthepipe. These people came here to target me and pollute the florida Forum immediately after my victory on Florida gun rights.

If you start making a stand for Liberty, and dare to win, look for the authoritarians and anti-gunners to come running.

Friends, we have strangers in our house.

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Naw, they're not strangers, we just don't know their names.

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Wonder how many of them are LEO's/ LEO wannabes?

Ewww, you really think so? Gross.

One thing's for sure: they don't like someone bringing OC to the forefront of attention. OH, I guess I could take one of their suggestions: OC at home where it won't offend anyone.
I had a friend tell me that he finds gun owners to be the people who are the worst haters of freedom. I tell him guns are all about freedom, and he says: "No. you want them [gun owners] to be, because you are [all about freedom], but they [gun owners] aren't." He tells me that I'd find a much greater freedom-loving crowd if I "got away from those people."

He's right, of course, and that's sad.

I still haven't completely resolved why there are so many cop-lovers in the gun-owning ranks. Seems like a colossal case of cognitive dissonance.

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As Larry the Cable Guy would say, " I don't know about all that, but..............."

The most vehement opposition I ever met was a guy who bragged about his lifetime NRA status, the dozens of competition-shooting events he and his entire family won, the dozens of weapons his home arsenal contained and the vast number of rounds he shot almost every weekend.

But he made it quite clear: "I don't want to walk into WalMart and see everyone wearing a gun."

When the Gonzales police FINALLY had enough of the nationwide bad publicity all over the internet, they called me, "PLEASE come get your gun."  Capt. Sammy, too, bragged about being another of those lifetime NRA members.

As for the copsuckers, well, go figure................

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: But he made it quite clear: "I don't want to walk into WalMart and see everyone wearing a gun."

Well, let's settle this. Is there anyone who doesn't want to see everyone wearing a gun in walmart?

I don't mind. Mark doesn't mind.

This question really determines whether you belong here.

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smoking357 wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote: But he made it quite clear: "I don't want to walk into WalMart and see everyone wearing a gun."

Well, let's settle this. Is there anyone who doesn't want to see everyone wearing a gun in walmart?

I don't mind. Mark doesn't mind.

This question really determines whether you belong here.

I don't want to see "everyone" in WalMart carrying a gun.  I want to see anyone who wishes to carry a gun in WalMart allowed to carry in WalMart. 

As it is corporate policy to obey the state laws, I see no reason for any WalMart to deny law abiding citizens from carrying a gun.

Whether it be WalMart, when picking up the kids from school, at the town hall meetings, in the barber shop, at church, at dinner while having a nice "chianti", anywhere, and everywhere.

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Decoligny wrote:

I don't want to see "everyone" in WalMart carrying a gun.  I want to see anyone who wishes to carry a gun in WalMart allowed to carry in WalMart. 

As it is corporate policy to obey the state laws, I see no reason for any WalMart to deny law abiding citizens from carrying a gun.


Exactly.  And if a representative of WalMart violates that corporate policy, the beef is not with LE, but, with WalMart itself, more specifically, that representative of WalMart who failed to comply with corporate policy.  LE is simply honoring the request of a property owner and/or it's representative.  It's not their place to know corporate policy.  Only the laws regarding property rights.

The so  called "beef" some of us have with recent topics is not WalMart or carrying in a WM..but, the offensive attitude toward LE for simply protecting property rights. 

I wish we could all carry when ever, where ever, and how ever we choose.  But, currently that is not the case and I stand my ground that the way to accomplish change is by being a good representation of gun owners and not a poor one. 

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Yes, the beef IS with the LEO.
Whether he's violating people on behalf of his statist handlers or Walmart, it's HIS responsibility to know right from wrong.
Quit making excuses for the LEO community's misbehavior.

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Yes, the beef IS with the LEO.
Whether he's violating people on behalf of his statist handlers or Walmart, it's HIS responsibility to know right from wrong.
Quit making excuses for the LEO community's misbehavior.

***APPLAUSE***


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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Yes, the beef IS with the LEO.
Whether he's violating people on behalf of his statist handlers or Walmart, it's HIS responsibility to know right from wrong.
Quit making excuses for the LEO community's misbehavior.


I will no longer participate in any inflamatory discussions regarding LEO's.  THat's against the rules of this forum and has no value.   You hate them. That's your right.  But, it doesn't mean you ARE right.

Make some logical valuable contributions to the discussion instead.

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There once was a train engineer. It was his job to run a train. After being on the job for a few years, his company was taken over by new management.
The new management instructed the engineer to drive his train, but to a new destination. The engineer agreed.
Some years later, the management was held liable for damages caused by their actions.  Then the court turned it's attention to the train engineer. He shrugged his shoulders, exclaimed "I was just doing my job."
The court proclaimed (as does scripture) EVERY human being has the basic instinct to know right from wrong. They HUNG the engineer for his part in this atrocity.
His employer?
Adolph Hitler.

Hate? Naw, that's against scripture.  And yes, I AM right, you just haven't progressed far enough to realize that and probably won't until your pride steps aside.
I guess it's difficult for MOST to admit what they've been told to believe all their lives is wrong.

There's nothing TO discuss. The very concept of LEO is totally contrary to the LORD's plan.  Most of what LEO's do today is in contrast to the very principles upon which this country was founded.
Your lesson for the day is concluded, you ARE welcome.

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You know, for people who CLAIM to be patriots...some here seem awfully bent on hollow comparisons between America and other countrys/dictators/governments. 

I guess I wonder how someone who obviously hates America so much can really be a patriot.  :quirky

Seriously, a direct question to Smoking and Mark....

Is there ANYTHING you actually like about your country?   Anything that gives you PRIDE!

Just wondering....

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First of all, you are confused. You consider the "country" to be one and the same as the "government." I, for one, don't.
This particular part and parcel of north America is fantastic ! Beautiful scenery, lots of things to do. As we "speak, " my best friends are motorcyling across Europe, a trip I declined. I explained, "there's lots of great stuff right here at home we've yet to see."

The second issue you're ignorant (not stupid) of is we have our OWN dictator.  You, as do most Amerikans, either CAN'T see that or REFUSE to admit it. In your instance, which is it?

Not if, but when the next American revolution happens, there will be no doubt where folks stand. Question:  not if, but when that Great Day occurs, which side will YOU be on? Be honest, for once.

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So, any good OC stories lately? :uhoh:

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That's your right to your own values and beliefs, and I'd support your's and anyone else's..*yea,..even smoking's* right to the death.   I fought for this country once.  I'd do it again in a heartbeat!

But, I for one LOVE my country.  I love everything about it.   We have more freedoms, opportunities, and beauty than any other part of the world I've visited. 

Are we perfect, by no means.  But, we are America, and I love it.  

My stance all along has been that if that imperfection is to be changed, it cannot be accompished by being a poor representation of your views, but, a good one.  Unfortunately, one of the impferfections of this country is that the ones who make the laws, are more swayed by public perception or political agendas than right vs. wrong.   The better way to enact change on the upper levels is to sway the public and political views... making an @$$ out of yourself publicly only gives those who wish to hinder us further more ammuniton against us. 

Don't be part of the problem...that's what irritates me and offends me considering what I've given up for this country and until you've sacrificed what I've sacrificed for your freedoms and this country, you'll win no patriot points in my book by spewing hate rhetoric against this country.  I give you the right to say it, but, don't expect me to like it or support it. 

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Johnny_B wrote: So, any good OC stories lately? :uhoh:

Patience. Good seeds yield good crops. Where you end up depends on where you start. Mark's busy opposing evil, laying the seeds for a bountiful feast of Liberty.

He knows what he's doing. It's wonderful to behold.

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JeepSeller wrote: (1)   I fought for this country once.  
 (2) considering what I've given up for this country and until you've sacrificed what I've sacrificed for your freedoms and this country

The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783)

The American Civil War (1861–1865)

1812-1815 War of 1812 United States vs. Great Britain
1846-1848 Mexican War United States vs. Mexico
1898 Spanish-American War United States vs. Spain

Did you fight in one of these wars, because these wars are the ones that secured my freedoms that you speak of, that YOU supposedly allow me to have?


1: When?

2: Sacrificed for this country, or for the US Government?


 

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I thought you were ignoring me smoking....guess that didn't take long, huh?  

Since you're not ignoring me anymore...would you mind answering the direct question yourself?  

I light of all our anti-American, hate rhetoric...is there anything you actually LIKE about being an American?   Anything that gives you a sense of PRIDE being an American? 

Like I say, just wondering.   I expected an answer to a direct question from Mark, at least he's willling to have a logical discussion....we don't have to agree. 

But, I fully don't expect to see an answer from you who never has answered a direct question with a direct answer sans all the games. 

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No, you did not fight "for this country."
What you DID do was further violate other sovereign nations and instill intensified hatred against those of us who did NOT violate anyone. Keep that thought in the forefront of your mind before you ever throw out that lame excuse  again.

Again, in true proud Amerikan form, you again confuse this "country" with this "government."  Why can't you simply separate the two? It's not that difficult.
Here, try this.
Country = good, government = bad.
There, did that make it easier to remember?

Now, standing up for one's rights (and everyone else's in the process) is considered "being an a$$."  As mentioned earlier, I can always cover my face when OC'ing, so as not to draw attention to myself, but, thanks to your wonderful government, that is not allowed anymore. Or, I could limit OC'ing (remember, it's the reason we're here?) to only within the confines of my private home where no one will ever see me and be offended by the exercise of a right. Would THAT make you happy?

Oh, quit it. You haven't "sacrificed" a damned thing for "this country." Quite the contrary. You've been PAID with monies STOLEN from the rest of us, and MORE !!!
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery, but YOU can stroll into the nearest VA hospital and get all that at OUR expense. Why? Because you agreed to violate others with the blessing of YOUR beloved government.

You didn't sacrifice anything for MY freedoms, but endangered them.

Even in closing, you CONTINUE to be confused over the distinction between "country" and "government."
As the late Jerry Clower would say, "there's no shame in BEIN stupid ,the shame's in STAYIN stupid."
Unless you change now, it would appear you have CHOSEN to remain amongst the latter.

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Dustin, are you trying to imply that no man or woman who's served this country in recent years did not fight for their country?   Are you trying to imply that they're sacrifice, is any less valuable.   Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to imply that the men and women who've given their lives in more recent events are any less valuable to you than those given years ago?  That their sacrifice is somehow less?

Seriously...If you're going to be THAT offensive and that insulting..I'm done with this one....you're worse than Smoking357. 

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JeepSeller wrote: Dustin, are you trying to imply that no man or woman who's served this country in recent years did not fight for their country?   Are you trying to imply that they're sacrifice, is any less valuable.   Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to imply that the men and women who've given their lives in more recent events are any less valuable to you than those given years ago?  That their sacrifice is somehow less?

Seriously...If you're going to be THAT offensive and that insulting..I'm done with this one....you're worse than Smoking357. 


You answered my question, with questions? Do you not have an answer?

Then I'll answer your questions. There's more to me than your aware of right now, relax some and answer the questions?

This way we don't have to assume ;)

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Dustin wrote: JeepSeller wrote: Dustin, are you trying to imply that no man or woman who's served this country in recent years did not fight for their country?   Are you trying to imply that they're sacrifice, is any less valuable.   Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to imply that the men and women who've given their lives in more recent events are any less valuable to you than those given years ago?  That their sacrifice is somehow less?

Seriously...If you're going to be THAT offensive and that insulting..I'm done with this one....you're worse than Smoking357. 


You answered my question, with questions? Do you not have an answer?

Then I'll answer your questions. There's more to me than your aware of right now, relax some and answer the questions?

This way we don't have to assume ;)


cricket...cricket...criket...

 

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mark edward marchiafava wrote
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery,

Wow. I guess that means the "Freedom Bike" is up for sale huh?

Cuz there ain't a damn thing I own I wouldn't sacrifice for my wife's sake in circumstances like you discribe.

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turbodog wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery,

Wow. I guess that means the "Freedom Bike" is up for sale huh?

Cuz there ain't a damn thing I own I wouldn't sacrifice for my wife's sake in circumstances like you discribe.

Of course, for 12,000 ounces of gold.

One of the highest shrines in New America will be the Freedom Bike Shrine.

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: No, you did not fight "for this country."
What you DID do was further violate other sovereign nations and instill intensified hatred against those of us who did NOT violate anyone. Keep that thought in the forefront of your mind before you ever throw out that lame excuse  again.

Again, in true proud Amerikan form, you again confuse this "country" with this "government."  Why can't you simply separate the two? It's not that difficult.
Here, try this.
Country = good, government = bad.
There, did that make it easier to remember?

Now, standing up for one's rights (and everyone else's in the process) is considered "being an a$$."  As mentioned earlier, I can always cover my face when OC'ing, so as not to draw attention to myself, but, thanks to your wonderful government, that is not allowed anymore. Or, I could limit OC'ing (remember, it's the reason we're here?) to only within the confines of my private home where no one will ever see me and be offended by the exercise of a right. Would THAT make you happy?

Oh, quit it. You haven't "sacrificed" a damned thing for "this country." Quite the contrary. You've been PAID with monies STOLEN from the rest of us, and MORE !!!
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery, but YOU can stroll into the nearest VA hospital and get all that at OUR expense. Why? Because you agreed to violate others with the blessing of YOUR beloved government.

You didn't sacrifice anything for MY freedoms, but endangered them.

Even in closing, you CONTINUE to be confused over the distinction between "country" and "government."
As the late Jerry Clower would say, "there's no shame in BEIN stupid ,the shame's in STAYIN stupid."
Unless you change now, it would appear you have CHOSEN to remain amongst the latter.
POOR MEM.

Sounds like someone needs to go antoagonize some more cops to collect another government=tax-payer=everyone here paid check so little miss MEM can go to the doctor.

DEATH TO ALL MILITARY= THE MEM WAY

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nolacopusmc wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote: No, you did not fight "for this country."
What you DID do was further violate other sovereign nations and instill intensified hatred against those of us who did NOT violate anyone. Keep that thought in the forefront of your mind before you ever throw out that lame excuse  again.

Again, in true proud Amerikan form, you again confuse this "country" with this "government."  Why can't you simply separate the two? It's not that difficult.
Here, try this.
Country = good, government = bad.
There, did that make it easier to remember?

Now, standing up for one's rights (and everyone else's in the process) is considered "being an a$$."  As mentioned earlier, I can always cover my face when OC'ing, so as not to draw attention to myself, but, thanks to your wonderful government, that is not allowed anymore. Or, I could limit OC'ing (remember, it's the reason we're here?) to only within the confines of my private home where no one will ever see me and be offended by the exercise of a right. Would THAT make you happy?

Oh, quit it. You haven't "sacrificed" a damned thing for "this country." Quite the contrary. You've been PAID with monies STOLEN from the rest of us, and MORE !!!
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery, but YOU can stroll into the nearest VA hospital and get all that at OUR expense. Why? Because you agreed to violate others with the blessing of YOUR beloved government.

You didn't sacrifice anything for MY freedoms, but endangered them.

Even in closing, you CONTINUE to be confused over the distinction between "country" and "government."
As the late Jerry Clower would say, "there's no shame in BEIN stupid ,the shame's in STAYIN stupid."
Unless you change now, it would appear you have CHOSEN to remain amongst the latter.
POOR MEM.

Sounds like someone needs to go antoagonize some more cops to collect another government=tax-payer=everyone here paid check so little miss MEM can go to the doctor.

DEATH TO ALL MILITARY= THE MEM WAY

 Maybe he should have put some of those $ into a CD or savings account instead of buying a couple of over priced toys. Or man up and sell one and pay for the wife's MRI. What a total weenee...

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Earl K. Long.

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charlie12 wrote: Earl K. Long.

Yabbut, contrary to popular belief EKL is only free to those that can't afford it. Someone who owns a home and two really expensive (yet free) motorcycles will get a bill.

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turbodog wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery,

Wow. I guess that means the "Freedom Bike" is up for sale huh?

Cuz there ain't a damn thing I own I wouldn't sacrifice for my wife's sake in circumstances like you discribe.

MEM only thinks of himself, his wife obey's him.

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Bat21 wrote: turbodog wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote
My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery,

Wow. I guess that means the "Freedom Bike" is up for sale huh?

Cuz there ain't a damn thing I own I wouldn't sacrifice for my wife's sake in circumstances like you discribe.

MEM only thinks of himself, his wife obey's him.

he is probably still spending money on his own psychiatric bills....


Wait, since he was admitted, can the Almighty MEM even own a firearm under USC 18?

Will have to look into that.:what::uhoh:

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WindsorFox wrote: charlie12 wrote: Earl K. Long.

Yabbut, contrary to popular belief EKL is only free to those that can't afford it. Someone who owns a home and two really expensive (yet free) motorcycles will get a bill.


I have a friend that has plenty of money in the bank, fine Black bird car, new Ford truck, another car, a house, a boat and 4 wheeler and had his last surgery at EKL.
 
It was his second time for colon cancer and his ins. wouldn't cover it. He told his Dr. and the Dr. told him to go to EKL that he would come there to do the surgery. My buddy told him that they wouldn't take him because he had money, Dr. told him to go try away. They told him since he didn't have a job it's ok. That's the story I got. And he had his surgery.
 
He is now on his last leg. He went last week to make his funeral arrangements and buy a suit.  

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Interesting, I know of a guy who had to transfer all his "inventory" to a fake corp. owned partially by his kids to get a heart operation. The bad part was he dropped dead of a heart attack before he could change it back. He owned a house, restaurant and a crappy old Dodge van at the time.

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WindsorFox wrote: Interesting, I know of a guy who had to transfer all his "inventory" to a fake corp. owned partially by his kids to get a heart operation. The bad part was he dropped dead of a heart attack before he could change it back. He owned a house, restaurant and a crappy old Dodge van at the time.


I was surprised that my friend was able to do it.
He fell about 75' years ago on the job and got a pretty good settlement.  

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:

Hate? Naw, that's against scripture.  And yes, I AM right, you just haven't progressed far enough to realize that and probably won't until your pride steps aside.
I guess it's difficult for MOST to admit what they've been told to believe all their lives is wrong.

There's nothing TO discuss. The very concept of LEO is totally contrary to the LORD's plan.  Most of what LEO's do today is in contrast to the very principles upon which this country was founded.
Your lesson for the day is concluded, you ARE welcome.

Dude, seriously?  You quoting Scripture now?

Romans 13:1 seems to conflict with your view on governing authorities.

Please stop giving false lessons.  It is against the law to give legal advice without giving your legal credentials (smoking357 this means you, too).  Adding your own opinion to God's Word is addressed in Revelation 22:18.


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derf wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:

Hate? Naw, that's against scripture.  And yes, I AM right, you just haven't progressed far enough to realize that and probably won't until your pride steps aside.
I guess it's difficult for MOST to admit what they've been told to believe all their lives is wrong.

There's nothing TO discuss. The very concept of LEO is totally contrary to the LORD's plan.  Most of what LEO's do today is in contrast to the very principles upon which this country was founded.
Your lesson for the day is concluded, you ARE welcome.

Dude, seriously?  You quoting Scripture now?

Romans 13:1 seems to conflict with your view on governing authorities.

Please stop giving false lessons.  It is against the law to give legal advice without giving your legal credentials (smoking357 this means you, too).  Adding your own opinion to God's Word is addressed in Revelation 22:18.




You mind your business Derf.


MEM can quote the word of GOD......

BECAUSE HE IS GOD

or so he and his crew(smokingcrack24/7) thinks

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derf wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:

Hate? Naw, that's against scripture.  And yes, I AM right, you just haven't progressed far enough to realize that and probably won't until your pride steps aside.
I guess it's difficult for MOST to admit what they've been told to believe all their lives is wrong.

There's nothing TO discuss. The very concept of LEO is totally contrary to the LORD's plan.  Most of what LEO's do today is in contrast to the very principles upon which this country was founded.
Your lesson for the day is concluded, you ARE welcome.

Dude, seriously?  You quoting Scripture now?

Romans 13:1 seems to conflict with your view on governing authorities.

Please stop giving false lessons.  It is against the law to give legal advice without giving your legal credentials (smoking357 this means you, too).  Adding your own opinion to God's Word is addressed in Revelation 22:18.


 

That's where my anger subsides. I believe that the scripture makes it very clear, that all Governing Authorities were indeed appointed by God for who can appoint themselves?
And in such we must obey their commands UNTIL the point of SIN. Then and only then are we justified in rebellion against authority; for who are we to rebel against last? God are man?

I'm simply happy that AT LEAST God has led this country to a state where we even at the VERY LEAST can even carry a firearm. Whether that be CC or OC. Heck even take carrying knives for granted. Besides all that, without weapons we can still defend ourselves and family.

Have a look at Iran lately? What are they defending themselves with?
We have indeed been shown mercy ....
IMO that is ...

 

 

 

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Okay, obey all government.
Hitler was the legitimate government, so there's no holding the Third Reich liable for what they did.
For the life of me, I JUST cannot comprehend why MOST Amerikans are so eager to be willing slaves, unless real freedom intimidates them.

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: For the life of me, I JUST cannot comprehend why MOST Amerikans are so eager to be willing slaves, unless real freedom intimidates them.

Amerikans are a very bitter, hateful and nosy people. They measure their success and happiness against others. If there's a man skipping about, happy as a lark, free as a bird, without a care in the world, this pisses them off.

This person must be punished.

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

"There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness -- to bring him down to the miserable level of "good" men, i.e., of stupid, cowardly, and chronically unhappy men."

H.L. Mencken

This myth of America being the freest country in the world is disinformation on an epic scale. It's difficult to find a country that meddles less in a man's day-to-day affairs than Amerika.


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smoking357 wrote:

This myth of America being the freest country in the world is disinformation on an epic scale. It's difficult to find a country that meddles less in a man's day-to-day affairs than Amerika.




Smoking, I've asked this of you several times and you fail to respond each time.  

I'm just wondering, with all your anti-American rhetoric, is there ANYTHING you LIKE about America?  Anything that gives you PRIDE in being an American? 

Again, I know you won't answer, you never answer a direct question.  But, I do think it's important to point out the question.

I do find it intresting that the ones who throw around accusations and words like tryanny, facism, etc..are the ones who have the LEAST tolerance for differing opinions.:quirky

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Here's something for all you wards of the state to ponder.
Name one thing you do which isn't regulated, taxed or prohibited by some level of government.
Can't think of one? Don't feel bad, most Amerikans can't, either.

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Here's something for all you wards of the state to ponder.
Name one thing you do which isn't regulated, taxed or prohibited by some level of government.
Can't think of one? Don't feel bad, most Amerikans can't, either.

I follow rules for freedom. Freedom means doing what you're told and obeying others.

If you don't like following rules and obeying the government, you need to check your Americanism.

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Okay, obey all government.
Hitler was the legitimate government, so there's no holding the Third Reich liable for what they did.
For the life of me, I JUST cannot comprehend why MOST Amerikans are so eager to be willing slaves, unless real freedom intimidates them.

Hitler was human.  Humans aren't perfect.  Governments can be wrong but you can not truthfully say that God's plan is to have no LEOs.  Jesus didn't go around cursing Centurions, the LEOs of the time he walked on Earth. 
I think you'll find in Daniel 3 a good example of when you should not obey the government and what the consequences might be.
I think the idea is to obey the government unless it contradicts God. 

Why were God's chosen people slaves, real slaves, in Egypt?
What you call slavery isn't by most sane people's definition.

What is this real freedom of which you speak?  How is it earned?
Are you not free to leave American and establish your idea of a free country somewhere else?

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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Here's something for all you wards of the state to ponder.
Name one thing you do which isn't regulated, taxed or prohibited by some level of government.
Can't think of one? Don't feel bad, most Amerikans can't, either.

Living.   Breathing.  Dreaming.  Imagining.  Thinking.

I choose to do my thing here because I think the government is somewhat reasonable here.  I like the idea that the government can be changed by the people it is supposed to represent.  That means that sometimes there are compromises because not everyone who makes up the society will agree on everything.

Name one thing keeping you from leaving and establishing your Utopia in another place.

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Syntax Error wrote: Ok, I was going to start a new topic and post this Friday, but I had "pressing" matters that did not permit me to do so. I too came back after being out of town working. I was taken aback by the amount of name calling. I started doing some research, (sorry it is just my nature). I found that Mark was being targeted specifically and open carry on a lesser level. I also found the following.

Derf JOINED 6/13/09

ROFLMAO (interesting choice) Logged as guest only.

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BayouBocephus JOINED 6/13/09

Seems like a truly concerted, organized effort against you Mark.

For those that do not know, you can click the username and see the posts all in line. Nothing I read from either of these above were anything other than a direct attack of Mark or Open Carry. They even drummed up Months old topics to take their stab.

To bad we do not have ignore option.

I would like to suggest that moderators block members, but that could be counter-productive. Just know that there is often a reason we see things.

 

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I joined because I could not post without doing so...I have no problem with OCing in certain situations and do not totally disagree with everybodies opinon on here, but I have a problem with somebody that constantly lies to the people and builds himself up on a pedestal. 

 

...and please block me for my views....Protect the 2nd Amendment but **** with the 1st

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Someone please show mr smoking357 the door.  He hates America and can't seem to find his way out.

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If you don't know what "Amerika" means, well, that's just one more thing you probably don't care to learn.

Amerika, alternative political spelling applied to the United States of America, often used as a comment, implying that America has become, or is becoming, either a fascist or communist country

Apparently smoking357 isn't the only one that hates AMERICA.

If you don't like YOUR country than there is no reason you should still be here.  I disagree with some paths our leaders have taken us down, but I would never put down on my country.  There is only one way to spell AMERICA.  I see spelling it the wrong way as a slap in the face hand-in-hand with spitting on a military uniform or burning the flag.... MEM=the "best" AMERIKAN

 

 

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"America" is NOT the name applied to the GOVERNMENT of the political entity currently running amok today.
That would be the United States of America.
Shame most Amerikans just cannot distinguish between the two.

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derf wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote: Here's something for all you wards of the state to ponder.
Name one thing you do which isn't regulated, taxed or prohibited by some level of government.
Can't think of one? Don't feel bad, most Amerikans can't, either.

Living.   Breathing.  Dreaming.  Imagining.  Thinking.

I choose to do my thing here because I think the government is somewhat reasonable here.  I like the idea that the government can be changed by the people it is supposed to represent.  That means that sometimes there are compromises because not everyone who makes up the society will agree on everything.

Name one thing keeping you from leaving and establishing your Utopia in another place.
Dreaming and imagining are correct, Living, breathing and thinking are not.

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BayouBocephus wrote: If you don't know what "Amerika" means, well, that's just one more thing you probably don't care to learn.

Amerika, alternative political spelling applied to the United States of America, often used as a comment, implying that America has become, or is becoming, either a fascist or communist country

Apparently smoking357 isn't the only one that hates AMERICA.

If you don't like YOUR country than there is no reason you should still be here.  I disagree with some paths our leaders have taken us down, but I would never put down on my country.  There is only one way to spell AMERICA.  I see spelling it the wrong way as a slap in the face hand-in-hand with spitting on a military uniform or burning the flag.... MEM=the "best" AMERIKAN

 

 
If he moves away to a new land, who will be there for him to sue and get a new bike while this poor little wife cannot even get an MRI? :(:(


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Dreaming and imagining are correct, Living, breathing and thinking are not.
Woohoo, I got two.

You guys are no fun, though.  You make statements and ask questions but rarely answer direct questions.

Hopefully smoking357racksofribs was able to block my posts because it will help me ignore him.

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derf wrote: Dreaming and imagining are correct, Living, breathing and thinking are not.
Woohoo, I got two.

You guys are no fun, though.  You make statements and ask questions but rarely answer direct questions.

Hopefully smoking357racksofribs was able to block my posts because it will help me ignore him.

He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

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BayouBocephus wrote:
 

...and please block me for my views....Protect the 2nd Amendment but **** with the 1st
Posting on a website owned by another is not a 1st amendment right.  Should you wish to have that Right on a website such as this one, you can get one.  THEN you can whine about your 1st Amendment Right.

If this were a website owned by the .gov, you MIGHT be able to so whine.

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nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.

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smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.

Gotta admit that your posts here have earned many.

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wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.

Gotta admit that your posts here have earned many.


Most definitely, but are you suggesting that i have never been attacked? I simply fight back.

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

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smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

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wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.

Gotta admit that your posts here have earned many.

This guy is a bully and highly abusive. There is no way the citizens of New Orleans should have to pay taxes to pay for a guy with this personality to have a gun and governmental police power.

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.

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smoking357 wrote: wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.

Gotta admit that your posts here have earned many.

This guy is a bully and highly abusive. There is no way the citizens of New Orleans should have to pay taxes to pay for a guy with this personality to have a gun and governmental police power.


LOL. If you only knew. :lol::lol::lol:

I like how you know who and what I am. I guess when you and MEM came down from the mountains, other than the ten commandments, and of course Article 1 Section 11, you were anointed with the ability to see through space and time, and read peole's mind.

Remember Spiderpuss, with your great stupidity, come great assininess.


Seriously, if you are so prolific in your undeniable knowledge, I challenge you to come to NOLA for a friendly shooting competition. You pick the weapon and the course of fire. i will pay for your flight and hotel stay.


Are you man enough?


Shouldn't be a long flight from Baton Rouge

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nolacopusmc wrote: I challenge you to come to NOLA for a friendly shooting competition. You pick the weapon and the course of fire.

See above. You really are serious about taking me out.

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smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: I challenge you to come to NOLA for a friendly shooting competition. You pick the weapon and the course of fire.

See above. You really are serious about taking me out.


Yes, I am completely serious about beating you in a shooting competition involving the firearm of your choice and paper, steal or bowling pin targets.


Good try though. Didn't think you had the skills or the balls. Easy to hide behind a computer screen and a big gun on your hip. Really sorry about all the wedgies and swirlies you probably got in high school. You sure showed them. Now you are an expert at running text through a thesaurus. Also, great job on collecting enough box-tops for that online Jurist Doctorate, Should come in handy.

When you are ready to put your money where your smart-ass mouth is, my guns are clean, and I will even supply the ammo.


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nolacopusmc wrote: I like how you know who and what I am.
It isn't like you kept it a secret.....
Brannon LeBouef
http://www.nolatac.com/About_Us.html

Class of '95, a Marine, just like you.  And a LAPO
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=306637231&s=77767

And a Carry instructor
http://www.carryinstructor.org/listings/showproduct.php?product=144


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wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: I like how you know who and what I am.
It isn't like you kept it a secret.....
Brannon LeBouef
http://www.nolatac.com/About_Us.html

Class of '95, a Marine, just like you.  And a LAPO
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=306637231&s=77767

And a Carry instructor
http://www.carryinstructor.org/listings/showproduct.php?product=144


WOW.

The interweb is strong in this one.

So how does anything you posted lend credence to jacknuts statement that i am a bully and abusive?


once again,. you are irrelevant.


Sorry, what is a LAPO?

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nolacopusmc wrote: wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: I like how you know who and what I am.
It isn't like you kept it a secret.....
Brannon LeBouef
http://www.nolatac.com/About_Us.html

Class of '95, a Marine, just like you.  And a LAPO
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=306637231&s=77767

And a Carry instructor
http://www.carryinstructor.org/listings/showproduct.php?product=144


WOW.

The interweb is strong in this one.

So how does anything you posted lend credence to jacknuts statement that i am a bully and abusive?
Did I make such a claim?  No.


once again,. you are irrelevant.
No, I pointed out how someone can know "who you are, and what you are."

Sorry, what is a LAPO?
My chosen shorthand for Louisiana Police Officer.

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smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?


LIBEL- a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures


Call me an @#$%, insult my mother, but continue down this road of insinuating and outright stating that I am conspiring to commit murder, and stand-by for legal action.

You have been placed on notice.

Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 01:28 am by nolacopusmc

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wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: I like how you know who and what I am.
It isn't like you kept it a secret.....
Brannon LeBouef
http://www.nolatac.com/About_Us.html

Class of '95, a Marine, just like you.  And a LAPO
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=306637231&s=77767

And a Carry instructor
http://www.carryinstructor.org/listings/showproduct.php?product=144


WOW.

The interweb is strong in this one.

So how does anything you posted lend credence to jacknuts statement that i am a bully and abusive?
Did I make such a claim?  No.

OF COURSE NOT. Whatever.


once again,. you are irrelevant.
No, I pointed out how someone can know "who you are, and what you are."

Sorry, what is a LAPO?
My chosen shorthand for Louisiana Police Officer.


So why does your profile say Nevada?


IF you are a LAPO, why don't you come arrest me for Smokingabigcrackrocktoday24/7's claim that i have threatened to kill him?

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?



I'm going to e-mail the thread to my attorney, just for the file. You're taking substantial steps to learn my identifying information, and you've given me extreme cause for worry. Further, I'm but a single citizen, while you're backed by the power of the state, and you may be able to act with impunity within your bailiwick. I don't know. That's the point. Any notification I'd make to a department unaffiliated with yours would be well justified.

Control your emotions, and stay away from me. You're hot-tempered, and you carry the State's gun on your hip. You need to cool down and ignore those who disagree with you, and you have to recognize that Americans have the right to criticize their government, all of their government, including you.


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smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?



I'm going to e-mail the thread to my attorney, just for the file. You're taking substantial steps to learn my identifying information, and you've given me extreme cause for worry. Further, I'm but a single citizen, while you're backed by the power of the state, and you may be able to act with impunity within your bailiwick. I don't know. That's the point. Any notification I'd make to a department unaffiliated with yours would be well justified.

Control your emotions, and stay away from me. You're hot-tempered, and you carry the State's gun on your hip. You need to cool down and ignore those who disagree with you, and you have to recognize that Americans have the right to criticize their government, all of their government, including yo



The funny thing is that I took zero steps to learn your identity,. there are others on here that think you are an even bigger douche bag than I do. they went through the trouble and your foolishness was the subject of lunch table banter.  From two OC'ers I might add. Do what you feel you need to.

I also Have a right to call a dumbass a dumbass. And you sir, are the Queen of dumbasses.


Bailiwack? Give me a minute, I will come up with something for that too.

if you want to stay away from me, leave this forum, for this is as close as I will ever get to you unless you accept my challenge to a marksmanship competition. However, tyour posts do lend much credence to the mounting case of your obvious insanity. Is that how you know your leader? Did you share a bed at the same Mental Health Facility and were both preliminarily diagnosed as Shizo Manic?

Probably.

Tread lightly, i will utilize all legal means to defend myself from the likes of you.  Again. keep it up, you have been identified as a fraud and warned.

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?


LIBEL- a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures


Call me an @#$%, insult my mother, but continue down this road of insinuating and outright stating that I am conspiring to commit murder, and stand-by for legal action.

You have been placed on notice.


Do yourself a favor, copper, and consult with a lawyer before thinking yourself an expert on the civil law.

When you take the public's dollar, you take the public's criticism. Check your username. You're not posting as "Tom Smith, private citizen." You're posting as an agent of two governmental entities, often making official and quasi-official statements on their behalf.

Like I said, don't get so riled by us private citizens who dare to comment on governmental action and governmental employees.



We get to do that!

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smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?


LIBEL- a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures


Call me an @#$%, insult my mother, but continue down this road of insinuating and outright stating that I am conspiring to commit murder, and stand-by for legal action.

You have been placed on notice.


Do yourself a favor, copper, and consult with a lawyer before thinking yourself an expert on the civil law.

When you take the public's dollar, you take the public's criticism. Check your username. You're not posting as "Tom Smith, private citizen." You're posting as an agent of two governmental entities, often making official and quasi-official statements on their behalf.

Like I said, don't get so riled by us private citizens who dare to comment on governmental action and governmental employees.



We get to do that!

I apologize sir. What woudl it take to get me in your good graces inborder to not suffer your wrath?

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?



I'm going to e-mail the thread to my attorney, just for the file. You're taking substantial steps to learn my identifying information, and you've given me extreme cause for worry. Further, I'm but a single citizen, while you're backed by the power of the state, and you may be able to act with impunity within your bailiwick. I don't know. That's the point. Any notification I'd make to a department unaffiliated with yours would be well justified.

Control your emotions, and stay away from me. You're hot-tempered, and you carry the State's gun on your hip. You need to cool down and ignore those who disagree with you, and you have to recognize that Americans have the right to criticize their government, all of their government, including yo



The funny thing is that I took zero steps to learn your identity,. there are others on here that think you are an even bigger douche bag than I do. they went through the trouble and your foolishness was the subject of lunch table banter.  From two OC'ers I might add. Do what you feel you need to.

I also Have a right to call a dumbass a dumbass. And you sir, are the Queen of dumbasses.


Bailiwack? Give me a minute, I will come up with something for that too.

if you want to stay away from me, leave this forum, for this is as close as I will ever get to you unless you accept my challenge to a marksmanship competition. However, tyour posts do lend much credence to the mounting case of your obvious insanity. Is that how you know your leader? Did you share a bed at the same Mental Health Facility and were both preliminarily diagnosed as Shizo Manic?

Probably.

Tread lightly, i will utilize all legal means to defend myself from the likes of you.  Again. keep it up, you have been identified as a fraud and warned.

"douche-bag;" "Queen of Dumbasses;" "insane;" "fraud." Nice. Classy. That's the cool, level-headed, unflappable detachment we like to see in our police.

Did you just disclose even a fragment of Mark's medical information? Dude, seriously. Disclosure of medical information is invasion of privacy.

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nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: smoking357 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:He is probably making himself a new FL permit.

Why another one? I already made myself a nice one, loser.



Why does your IP come back to baton Rouge, yet you hail as the MEMophile of Florida?

Hmmmmmm


BTW....Another great personal attack.


Why are you spying on me? Planning  to go "hands on" with me?

Sir, are you challenging me to a duel? :what:

So now you're threatening to kill me? What is wrong with you? DUDE! You have a gun and police power. You've bragged about your Marine Corps killer training. This isn't right. Why are you threatening to kill me?

HELP!


Spomeone please turn over this lunatic's personal information to the FBI and the Lousiana State Police, immediately.


Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?

Expected as much.

Why don't you call me in so I can get the pleasure of seeing you arrested for filing a false complaint?


LIBEL- a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures


Call me an @#$%, insult my mother, but continue down this road of insinuating and outright stating that I am conspiring to commit murder, and stand-by for legal action.

You have been placed on notice.


Do yourself a favor, copper, and consult with a lawyer before thinking yourself an expert on the civil law.

When you take the public's dollar, you take the public's criticism. Check your username. You're not posting as "Tom Smith, private citizen." You're posting as an agent of two governmental entities, often making official and quasi-official statements on their behalf.

Like I said, don't get so riled by us private citizens who dare to comment on governmental action and governmental employees.



We get to do that!

I apologize sir. What woudl it take to get me in your good graces inborder to not suffer your wrath?

My wrath? It's I who truly fears you. You have so much power behind you that it's humbling. Think about it.

Lead by example. Show me why cops are not what I think them to be. Prove me wrong by your class, civility and deportment. Make yourself such a sterling example of propriety that I'd feel ashamed uttering a cross or cuss word in your presence.

There are some cops like this who have long tempers, the right touch and realize hostility is directed toward the job, not the person. These cops are heroes. These men get respect with or without the badge or gun.

Be the peacemaker, not the escalator. Don't get down and dirty with us rabble.

On the job, say this a lot to anyone who disagrees with you: "I understand, but..." Say it often. Do you really think mythic ideals such as Harry Callahan, Andy Griffith or Peter Columbo would waste a minute on an internet gun board talking to me?

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MEM-First to condem AMERIKAN GOVERNMENT-And First to complain that AMERICA can not help his wife---The GI put all online for his country-MEM sits back and wants to condem them --What has he done (stand up for our rights) Open your eyes a lot of us have been doing it for years----You Just Now Started To See The Light.

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Will you all just STFU about "MEM" already? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

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Gentlemen please !

The forum is open carry

one more time    open carry

lets hear it again         open carry

Every one here might have a legitamit gripe, fine , just nit here, that isn't what this forum is for . it is for what again?

OPEN CARRY

lets put our personals aside , or attack each other ealse where.

lets talk OPEN CARRY

Good day Gentlemen

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Sorry Captian Dan--Understood

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Thanks, We are more alike than different, after all We all found the same forum didn't we?

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nolacopusmc wrote
Very nice effort.

You are a funny little man. So you would rather make stuff up than accept a challenge to a marksmanship competition?



   My term would be silly rather than funny, but little seems to fit.

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CaptainDan wrote: Gentlemen please !

The forum is open carry

one more time    open carry

lets hear it again         open carry

Every one here might have a legitamit gripe, fine , just nit here, that isn't what this forum is for . it is for what again?

OPEN CARRY

lets put our personals aside , or attack each other ealse where.

lets talk OPEN CARRY

Good day Gentlemen


Hey guys,

I hate to thread jack or derail the discussion but my CCW permit recently expired and I'm looking for some information regarding open carry. Anyone know any good websites on this subject? 

 

 

 

 

:celebrate

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yale wrote: CaptainDan wrote: Gentlemen please !

The forum is open carry

one more time    open carry

lets hear it again         open carry

Every one here might have a legitamit gripe, fine , just nit here, that isn't what this forum is for . it is for what again?

OPEN CARRY

lets put our personals aside , or attack each other ealse where.

lets talk OPEN CARRY

Good day Gentlemen


Hey guys,

I hate to thread jack or derail the discussion but my CCW permit recently expired and I'm looking for some information regarding open carry. Anyone know any good websites on this subject? 

 

 

 

 

:celebrate


TRAITOR


:monkey:monkey:monkey



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Mark,

The problem as i see it, is not your views, Its the fact that you fail to realize that you took something pure and riteous and twisted it into a joke.

You had a chance to use to an advantage for everyone, your case of wrongful arrest, so that others after you would not suffer the same thing, not with blantant mockery but with respect and admiration. You turned the entire thing into a joke, so now if anyone else tries to stand for their rights of being arrested for the same thing, next time the legal community will say "wait, lets not admit we are wrong, remember that Mark guy and what a jackass he turned out to be" instead they will bend the law until the law is changed and we all lose the right to OC.

You are always quoting and relating things to Adolph Hitler, but how much do you really know of Him? Did you know that his reasons for doing things were all because he was fighting against the International Banking community? In 1934 Hitler said unless the German people, and all people, stood against the International Jewish Banking community, that one day, the banks would control every person on earth. He saw no reason why countries needed the international bankers, because he felt that Nations should work on the barter system, that there was no reason for a Nation to use money, but to trade goods or services for the same.

If we look at the worlds current situation, we can see that he was in fact correct, BUT he went about it in a manner that most people did not approve of, and so he is simply another Historical Madman.

Like Adolph Hitler, you Mark may have great intentions, however in the end, you are following the SAME route as Hitler, in the fact that your message has become clouded by your actions, aking what you could have done for people, no longer the subject, but that the way in which you are going about it is Rediculous and Laughable, if not also anti-american and Seditious. Your rants and words now carry with them only the value of any other madman in history, quality for perhaps an anecdote, but never again will your words mean much more to any free thinking individual, than simple, "ahhh mem the moron speaks again"

You make take offense to this post, as might your cronies, and if you do, it will just go towards what everyone is already saying, that mem and smokin are just 2 nuts who are due for a nice padded room and a few cc's of prozac. I however hope that you will read this and understand that in fact it is written in a manner that maybe you will understand. Maybe you can learn from those who have seen what true Dictators do to their people, and understand that you arent hurting the Government that you Despise, you are hurting the people that have stood by you in the beginning and are now simply covering their heads in shame for ever trying to help you.

 

You said too many newbies wont tell you who they are.. well my name is Rich.. most people just call me Longrange.

 

 

 

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BulletProof wrote: Mark,

The problem as i see it, is not your views, Its the fact that you fail to realize that you took something pure and riteous and twisted it into a joke.

You had a chance to use to an advantage for everyone, your case of wrongful arrest, so that others after you would not suffer the same thing, not with blantant mockery but with respect and admiration. You turned the entire thing into a joke, so now if anyone else tries to stand for their rights of being arrested for the same thing, next time the legal community will say "wait, lets not admit we are wrong, remember that Mark guy and what a jackass he turned out to be" instead they will bend the law until the law is changed and we all lose the right to OC.

You are always quoting and relating things to Adolph Hitler, but how much do you really know of Him? Did you know that his reasons for doing things were all because he was fighting against the International Banking community? In 1934 Hitler said unless the German people, and all people, stood against the International Jewish Banking community, that one day, the banks would control every person on earth. He saw no reason why countries needed the international bankers, because he felt that Nations should work on the barter system, that there was no reason for a Nation to use money, but to trade goods or services for the same.

If we look at the worlds current situation, we can see that he was in fact correct, BUT he went about it in a manner that most people did not approve of, and so he is simply another Historical Madman.

Like Adolph Hitler, you Mark may have great intentions, however in the end, you are following the SAME route as Hitler, in the fact that your message has become clouded by your actions, aking what you could have done for people, no longer the subject, but that the way in which you are going about it is Rediculous and Laughable, if not also anti-american and Seditious. Your rants and words now carry with them only the value of any other madman in history, quality for perhaps an anecdote, but never again will your words mean much more to any free thinking individual, than simple, "ahhh mem the moron speaks again"

You make take offense to this post, as might your cronies, and if you do, it will just go towards what everyone is already saying, that mem and smokin are just 2 nuts who are due for a nice padded room and a few cc's of prozac. I however hope that you will read this and understand that in fact it is written in a manner that maybe you will understand. Maybe you can learn from those who have seen what true Dictators do to their people, and understand that you arent hurting the Government that you Despise, you are hurting the people that have stood by you in the beginning and are now simply covering their heads in shame for ever trying to help you.

 

You said too many newbies wont tell you who they are.. well my name is Rich.. most people just call me Longrange.

 

 

 

WOW Richj. That is an awesome first post.

Why can't you be so eloquent on the cool boards like Bayoushooter.com and Bugoutwhale.com.

LOL. JJ

Seriously, very well put. My sentiments exactly.  Although I think he really is crazy.

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nolacopusmc wrote: BulletProof wrote: Mark,

The problem as i see it, is not your views, Its the fact that you fail to realize that you took something pure and riteous and twisted it into a joke.

You had a chance to use to an advantage for everyone, your case of wrongful arrest, so that others after you would not suffer the same thing, not with blantant mockery but with respect and admiration. You turned the entire thing into a joke, so now if anyone else tries to stand for their rights of being arrested for the same thing, next time the legal community will say "wait, lets not admit we are wrong, remember that Mark guy and what a jackass he turned out to be" instead they will bend the law until the law is changed and we all lose the right to OC.

You are always quoting and relating things to Adolph Hitler, but how much do you really know of Him? Did you know that his reasons for doing things were all because he was fighting against the International Banking community? In 1934 Hitler said unless the German people, and all people, stood against the International Jewish Banking community, that one day, the banks would control every person on earth. He saw no reason why countries needed the international bankers, because he felt that Nations should work on the barter system, that there was no reason for a Nation to use money, but to trade goods or services for the same.

If we look at the worlds current situation, we can see that he was in fact correct, BUT he went about it in a manner that most people did not approve of, and so he is simply another Historical Madman.

Like Adolph Hitler, you Mark may have great intentions, however in the end, you are following the SAME route as Hitler, in the fact that your message has become clouded by your actions, aking what you could have done for people, no longer the subject, but that the way in which you are going about it is Rediculous and Laughable, if not also anti-american and Seditious. Your rants and words now carry with them only the value of any other madman in history, quality for perhaps an anecdote, but never again will your words mean much more to any free thinking individual, than simple, "ahhh mem the moron speaks again"

You make take offense to this post, as might your cronies, and if you do, it will just go towards what everyone is already saying, that mem and smokin are just 2 nuts who are due for a nice padded room and a few cc's of prozac. I however hope that you will read this and understand that in fact it is written in a manner that maybe you will understand. Maybe you can learn from those who have seen what true Dictators do to their people, and understand that you arent hurting the Government that you Despise, you are hurting the people that have stood by you in the beginning and are now simply covering their heads in shame for ever trying to help you.

 

You said too many newbies wont tell you who they are.. well my name is Rich.. most people just call me Longrange.

 

 

 

WOW Richj. That is an awesome first post.

Why can't you be so eloquent on the cool boards like Bayoushooter.com and Bugoutwhale.com.

LOL. JJ

Seriously, very well put. My sentiments exactly.  Although I think he really is crazy.

+100

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Welcome to OCDO :)

I've studied quite a bit of History especially Hitler and Stalin and I'm quite certain, as well as a CRAP LOAD of Historians and History Professors, and many Theologians that Hitler was indeed a complete racist who's main goal was to create the perfect race.

 He also was known for being obsessed with Charles Darwin's Origin of the Species which is also linked to Stalin’s obsession too. Good Ol' Charles had them believing that Whites were the superior race, and Blacks as well as everyone else were closer to our supposed Ape ancestors.

I would however like to see this piece your talking about involvig the International Banking.

 


 

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http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=26052

 

I can go on and on, Maybe you havent read Mein Kampf , because Hitlers "Freedom from International Debt Slavery" writings are all through it.

heres something you may also find interesting.. in 1933, there were only 600,000 jews in Germany.. so how did Hitler manage to kill 6 million? Im not a pro-hitler guy, or one of those nazi skinhead jackoffs, im simply always interested in the truth..

 



 

 

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Where is mem's "*"



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nolacopusmc wrote:
Where is mem's "*"




his fingers are hurting ( he was signing law suets all day you know

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BulletProof wrote:

 

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=26052

 

I can go on and on, Maybe you havent read Mein Kampf , because Hitlers "Freedom from International Debt Slavery" writings are all through it.

heres something you may also find interesting.. in 1933, there were only 600,000 jews in Germany.. so how did Hitler manage to kill 6 million? Im not a pro-hitler guy, or one of those nazi skinhead jackoffs, im simply always interested in the truth..

 



Then again, who knows for sure that the number is indeed correct ? It's not like the media is known for it's accuracy.

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Dustin wrote: BulletProof wrote:

 

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=26052

 

I can go on and on, Maybe you havent read Mein Kampf , because Hitlers "Freedom from International Debt Slavery" writings are all through it.

heres something you may also find interesting.. in 1933, there were only 600,000 jews in Germany.. so how did Hitler manage to kill 6 million? Im not a pro-hitler guy, or one of those nazi skinhead jackoffs, im simply always interested in the truth..

 



Then again, who knows for sure that the number is indeed correct ? It's not like the media is known for it's accuracy.

true, and i could understand a miscount by say 20% even.. but by 1000%?? and remember, he didnt kill 100% of the jews, so its even more than 1000% miscount? yea right.. and i have a nice bridge over the mississippi id like to sell ya cheap!

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BulletProof wrote:

 

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=26052

 

I can go on and on, Maybe you havent read Mein Kampf , because Hitlers "Freedom from International Debt Slavery" writings are all through it.

heres something you may also find interesting.. in 1933, there were only 600,000 jews in Germany.. so how did Hitler manage to kill 6 million? Im not a pro-hitler guy, or one of those nazi skinhead jackoffs, im simply always interested in the truth..

Why are the anti-Marks all conspiracy-theory whack-jobs?

Seriously, we DO NOT need Holocaust deniers on this board. These anti-Mark nutjobs need to go.

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smoking357 wrote: BulletProof wrote:

 

http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&aid=26052

 

I can go on and on, Maybe you havent read Mein Kampf , because Hitlers "Freedom from International Debt Slavery" writings are all through it.

heres something you may also find interesting.. in 1933, there were only 600,000 jews in Germany.. so how did Hitler manage to kill 6 million? Im not a pro-hitler guy, or one of those nazi skinhead jackoffs, im simply always interested in the truth..

Why are the anti-Marks all conspiracy-theory whack-jobs?

Seriously, we DO NOT need Holocaust deniers on this board. These anti-Mark nutjobs need to go.

yes we need all the nut jobs to go I say we all go and see a srink and let him decide who is the nutjobs. I bet 10 to 1 he does not let you and mark out without calling the guys with the white cotes and strate jackets.

Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 09:53 pm by jimmyb

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BulletProof wrote:
I can go on and on, Maybe you havent read Mein Kampf , because Hitlers "Freedom from International Debt Slavery" writings are all through it.

heres something you may also find interesting.. in 1933, there were only 600,000 jews in Germany.. so how did Hitler manage to kill 6 million? Im not a pro-hitler guy, or one of those nazi skinhead jackoffs, im simply always interested in the truth..
 
 
Then you should wonder how the numbers reported in the article are part of the whole...
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_nm.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005143&MediaId=3372

This mention at wikipedia should address teh difference for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany#The_Holocaust_.281940.E2.80.931945.29

There are two mentions German and European Jews.  Someone who wishes to discredit an event such as the Holocaust will snag and exploit such misapprehensions, and point to them as "proof."

Here is a chart that should help you provide counter arguments when the apparent disparity is shown to you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#By_country
Germany only had about 210,000 jews killed.  The other countries in Europe suffered much greater counts.


Which is as on-topic to the goals of this OCDO forum as the rest of the silly ad hominem arguments presented by those who feel threatened by citizens who carry firearms openly.

Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:42 pm by wrightme





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