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Anty506 Regular Member
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Just got off the phone with David (Head of Risk Management) with raising canes and was told that their policy states that ONLY Active LEO, Military and On Duty LEO can carry in their restaurant. They do NOT care if you are legally carrying or not, they do not allow it in their restaurant. I only eat canes about once every 6 months, so it doesn't bother me, but still sucks for others who love canes. |
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Mike Super Moderator
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Anty506 wrote: Just got off the phone with David (Head of Risk Management) with raising canes and was told that their policy states that ONLY Active LEO, Military and On Duty LEO can carry in their restaurant. And why did you ask them? why not just carry there and go about your business? asking businesses what their policy is forces them to have a policy - and of course such policy will almost be to ban carry. What don't people understand about Don't ask, don't tell. Don't! This is roughly on the same level as inviting businesses to post their premises with no gun signs! |
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Johnny_B Regular Member
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Mike wrote:And why did you ask them? why not just carry there and go about your business? Why  |
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DKSuddeth Regular Member 
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if they are allowing law enforcement and military to carry, but not anyone else, could that not be defined as discrimination? |
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Anty506 Regular Member
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I asked because I was asked to leave by a manager and was told that their was a policy against it. When I asked to see it, the manager says I don't have it but I assure you we have a policy against it. |
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XD-GEM Activist Member 
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I've carried at the Canes on Lee and Highland several times without any trouble. |
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Dustin Regular Member 
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Oh well, no business for Cane's. |
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smoking357 Banned 
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Mike wrote: Anty506 wrote:Just got off the phone with David (Head of Risk Management) with raising canes and was told that their policy states that ONLY Active LEO, Military and On Duty LEO can carry in their restaurant. Ex-friggin'-actly! |
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Johnny_B Regular Member
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smoking357 wrote: Mike wrote:Anty506 wrote:Just got off the phone with David (Head of Risk Management) with raising canes and was told that their policy states that ONLY Active LEO, Military and On Duty LEO can carry in their restaurant. Why don't you read what he posted right afterwords, he was told to leave... |
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charlie12 Regular Member
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Mike wrote:And why did you ask them? why not just carry there and go about your business? Mike meet Anty506.  |
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rmansu2 Regular Member 
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Anty, Sorry to hear about your troubles. As you know we are on the younger side of the spectrum and therefore it seems that people imediately that we are up to no good. I can say a get a lot of funny looks but have yet to be asked to leave. I work off of Seigen Ln in Baton Rouge and have been to the Canes here at least a half dozen times, but have never been asked to leave. Beleive it or not I never even had the "are you a LEO" question. I guess since I carry a P95 "brick", people assume that "if he's got something that big he's got to know what he's doing". Hate to hear your still having problems. |
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XD-GEM Activist Member
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rmansu2, You're probably right about someone's looks being held against them. We've all seen some example of that even in areas of our lives not gun-related. Having met you and Anty in person, I found you both to be respectful young men, although Anty's look , being a bit edgier than some people are comfortable with, may be working against him. I'm not saying he needs to change his look (everyone has the right to pick their own style), but he will need to be aware that it will occasionally work against him, and he might want to consider taking a bit more defferential attitude in inital contact with folks who act hostile. It will throw them off balance if this guy that they think looks a bit "odd" acts in a normal, respectful manner. I have a friend with several tattoos and piercings who does not carry at all, but he constantly gets negative feedback from strangers who never give him a chance to show what a nice guy he really is. This softer approach is the approach to people he has chosen after years of glowering at them for being so idiotic as to judge him based solely on his apperance alone. It doesn't always work ,but it's worth the try if it deflects some of the aggravation. |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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XD-GEM wrote: rmansu2, Very true. |
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lsushawn Regular Member
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charlie12 wrote: Mike wrote:And why did you ask them? why not just carry there and go about your business? and yet he remained and asked to see a policy, should have been arrested for remaining after being asked to leave. the manager of a buisiness does not have to show you a written policy or even have one in place at all, if he/she wants you to leave, you must leave gun or no gun. will you ever learn? Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 03:27 am by lsushawn |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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First of all, underneath your alias, since you choose not to use a real name, it refers to you as a "supporting member." Nothing could be further from the truth. You are an ANTI-OC'er. Will all this influx of riftraft CC'ers from all points, maybe Mike and John could come up with a designator of "Non-supporting non-member." Since not every employee is an authorized agent of the corporation, the correct question is when will YOU ever learn? HINT: I already know the answer: never. |
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derf Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: First of all, underneath your alias, since you choose not to use a real name, it refers to you as a "supporting member." Nothing could be further from the truth. What is the OCDO policy regarding personal attacks? Or, is this your personal website and only people who OC exactly like you do and believe exactly what you spout are allowed to OC and post here? And, BTW, about 99% of posters seem to use aliases. It could be because they are not interested in self promotion. Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:59 am by derf |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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derf wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:1. Certain rules, like forum rules, gravity, common sense, and logic, and inertia, do not apply to god-like beings such as MEM.First of all, underneath your alias, since you choose not to use a real name, it refers to you as a "supporting member." Nothing could be further from the truth. 2. Bingo |
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derf Regular Member
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And why would you want to trample a business' right to deny firearms? If you don't like their policy you are free to get your chicken elsewhere. They also have drive thrus where you can OC in your vehicle and have your chicken, too. A responsible OCer might respect the rights of businesses and politely complain through the proper channels. |
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rmansu2 Regular Member
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Anthony, were you actually asked to leave by the manager, or did he make the statement "You can't have that here"? The reason I ask is are these statements the same. An uninformed decleration of your rights(or privleges) is not the same as a request for you not to do something. I am not a confrontational person. But, if I were in a retail location and asked to leave by an uninformed uneducated(on that businesses policies) associate asked me to leave I would undoubtably leave without question. The only way I would not leave is if by chance I had been asked to leave on a previous ocassion and had contacted management for clarification and had his name and number readily available. If this same person made the off-handed comment "You cannot have that here", I would have to ask some questions as to why. Hopefully, and in many cases it has, it would lead to a civilized discussion of our 2A and (Mark's favorite) Article 1 Section 11. My question to everyone is, does the statement "You can't have that here" amount to the same as "You must leave the premises". |
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derf Regular Member
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rmansu2 wrote:
No, they want you to eat chicken. They want you to stay, but not with the gun. From their point of view "you can't have that here" is correct. |
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Jerry McBride Founder's Club Member
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nolacopusmc wrote: derf wrote: Or, it could be they aren't interested in self promotion. Or, it could be... Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 09:45 pm by Jerry McBride |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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What a shame. Most of you "supporters of OC" refuse to learn. Not just every person employed anywhere can make such a statement ( you can't be here/ you need to leave). You must satisfy certain requirements of LAW ( not your opinion) to be considered an "authorized agent." Example: Walking across the parking lot of Dollar General in Central, some 16 year old sweeping the parking lot looks at me, "sir, you can't go in there." Without confirming for a fact, I doubt seriously he's an "authorized agent of the corporation." Furthermore, I doubt he personally owns that particular location. I went in after demonstrating to him the signage on the door he THOUGHT was there, wasn't. |
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rmansu2 Regular Member
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Just left from a lunch meeting with a friend at Canes on Siegen no problems. |
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Anty506 Regular Member
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rmansu2 wrote: Anthony, were you actually asked to leave by the manager, or did he make the statement "You can't have that here"? I was asked to leave by the manger after the Hammond PD officer got pissed off. Hammond's finest went and had him ask me to leave and he stated that their policy is no guns. |
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derf Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: What a shame. Most of you "supporters of OC" refuse to learn. I agree there are people who do not know and/or follow the policies of their employers. I say correct them if they are wrong. A polite, tactful correction is always preferred. |
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XD-GEM Activist Member
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derf wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:What a shame. Most of you "supporters of OC" refuse to learn. And that is why "You can't have that here" does not equal "You must leave." "You can't have that here" is too nebulous and requires clarification; that means you have to ask them what they mean by that statement. One is not required to leave unless and until they are specifically told to do so. After all, if I go into Canes and ask for a Whopper, they are likely to tell me, "You can't have that here." |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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rmansu2 wrote: Just left from a lunch meeting with a friend at Canes on Siegen no problems. Because you are not a self-promoting attention whore looking for a paycheck while riding a motorcycle paid by people who work for a living while you r wife is home unable to get an MRi because you are so poor.  Good job on not being a dip@#$%.  |
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wrightme Regular Member 
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lsushawn wrote: charlie12 wrote:Being asked to leave is a request. Being told to leave or be "trespassed" is a different thing.Mike wrote:And why did you ask them? why not just carry there and go about your business? |
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wrightme Regular Member
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nolacopusmc wrote: rmansu2 wrote:Pardon, your single-minded hatred for one person is showing......again.......Just left from a lunch meeting with a friend at Canes on Siegen no problems. |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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wrightme wrote: lsushawn wrote:Wrong answer kid. Try again.charlie12 wrote:Being asked to leave is a request. Being told to leave or be "trespassed" is a different thing.Mike wrote:And why did you ask them? why not just carry there and go about your business? Doesn't matter how it is phrased. Asked, told, sign language, smoke signals. Once it is clear, to normal people, not the overly critical people here, you are trespassing. COuld you please leave? makes it clear you are not wanted. Come to Louisiana, and you will find yourself sharing a cell with JimmyDean. |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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wrightme wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:rmansu2 wrote:Pardon, your single-minded hatred for one person is showing......again.......Just left from a lunch meeting with a friend at Canes on Siegen no problems. TRUDTH., but it is not single minded, and it is definitely for more than one person. |
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dirty_sanchez Regular Member
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I've open carried at RC's on Coursey and in the location on Range in Denham this past week without an issue. A few looks, yes, but no one was alarmed, anyone I made eye contact with, I just smiled and noded my head. Dirty |
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yale Regular Member 
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I don't go out for chicken often but last week I carried into the KFC at Bluebonnett and Perkins and picked up an order to go. Had my Bersa. 380 on my belt at the 4o'clock position. Sorry, no crossdraw for me. My belly is too big for that.  No problems or weird looks from staff or other customers. |
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kimber10mm Regular Member
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and yet he remained and asked to see a policy, should have been arrested for remaining after being asked to leave. the manager of a buisiness does not have to show you a written policy or even have one in place at all, if he/she wants you to leave, you must leave gun or no gun. will you ever learn? does it look like it? all he wants to do it start trouble what he doesnt understand is that if a property owner says "NO", it means NO! |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? maybe not, but he is an agent. I ran a large retail store for a year, and all my mangers, asst managers, and team leaders had authority to request someone leave. |
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JeepSeller Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? Your statement is true but flawed. While, yes, in most cases, a manager is NOT the owner, it is possible for the business and property owner to also act as the business manager. Also, where your statement ends so does your logic regarding this issue. The concept needs to be thought out just a little bit further. While the manager may not be the owner, the manager can act as a representative or agent of the owner in the eyes of the law. While you may not like those facts....disliking them fails to change those facts. |
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smoking357 Banned
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? They don't want to learn. They want to justify lots of police action. I wonder what they'd do if the manager tried to eject the property owner or the owner's agent. I mean, it's not like cops know how to sort through title law, covenants, leases, rights of entry and interests, certainly not on the fly. It would be funny if the cops took the manager's word and arrested the property owner or the owner's agent. What a lawsuit that would be, and the cops would also be looking at a suit against them for trespass, since the property owner would have told them to take it down the road. This is stuff the cops should stay out of. Cops are not the security force for private business, and company policy is not part of the Criminal Code, as such is the living definition of fascism. |
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charlie12 Regular Member
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smoking357 wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? Cracksmoker, Trespassing is and RS 14:63.3 and others. |
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bsmit24 Regular Member
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nolacopusmc wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? You may not know this as a manager of a retail store but as a small business owner who just amended my filings, an agent is listed on your filings with the sec of state. this can be changed or amended at anytime but typically managers, asst managers, team leaders, etc are not listed as agents but owners, office olders and attorneys are. That is not to say they can not be but it is not the norm. |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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When captain Sammy Pasqua of the Gonzales police returned my revolver, he warned me to never return to Tanger Mall, armed. I just looked at him, told him he didn't have the authority to make such a statement. "Law enforcement officers" will never learn their word is not law. I've been to Tanger quite a bit since then, armed. |
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smoking357 Banned
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: When captain Sammy Pasqua of the Gonzales police returned my revolver, he warned me to never return to Tanger Mall, armed. I just looked at him, told him he didn't have the authority to make such a statement. "Law enforcement officers" will never learn their word is not law. I've been to Tanger quite a bit since then, armed. Pasqua could have been sued for uttering that statement. |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. Not every employee is an authorized agent, what they speak (usually) is merely their opinion. But, if you check, opinions are all that seem to matter these days, as the posts on bayoushooters.com clearly indicate. Rule of law, rights, those are absurd abstracts to them. |
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Ohmark edward marchiafava wrote:
So, mark's had a change of heart regarding the following of LAWS. His previous stand was that only opinions matter not law. Must have been all the pressure y'all have been putting on him lately to put up or shut up. mark edward marchiafava wrote: My "opinion" and the law are one and the same. Oh, I guess opinions only matter if they're mark's, and laws only have to be followed by anyone who gets in marks way. mark is apparently exempt from criminal laws, traffic laws, property laws, tax laws, etc, etc. At least to hear him tell it by his criticism of most every American on here |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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turbodog wrote: Ohmark edward marchiafava wrote: Apparently, when you live in a state that you hate because by your definition it is a "police state" (why not move), you only follow laws when they work in your favor-- like suing people. Other than that, laws are for the ignorant masses, not the enlightened minority. |
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BB62 State Researcher
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nolacopusmc wrote: rmansu2 wrote:Just left from a lunch meeting with a friend at Canes on Siegen no problems. There is no reason for your personal and unrelated attack. |
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bsmit24 Regular Member
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Dreaded double post Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 04:43 pm by bsmit24 |
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bsmit24 Regular Member
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nolacopusmc wrote:
Did Mark joined the police force? |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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bsmit24 wrote: nolacopusmc wrote: LOL. |
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kdick3 Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: and will YOU ever learn a manager is NOT a property owner? I don't understand... What makes you think that a manager has no right to ask someone to leave? The fact is, if someone asks you to leave an establishment (and they are an authoritative figure in that establishment) why would you sit there with your nose in the air and argue? Don't you understand that you're doing your cause absolutely no good? You're not making a statement, you're making yourself and others associated with your cause look arrogant. I just think everyone should pick their battles. And arguing with a manager if he/she asks you to leave is NOT a battle you should be picking... I don't care how many "sheeple" are there who need to be educated. Last edited on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 10:58 pm by kdick3 |
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kdick3 Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. What kind of motorcycle do you think you could get out of a Raising Cane's employee? |
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jimmyb Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. you dont have to sue because he stated what he thought to be policies |
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kdick3 Regular Member
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jimmyb wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. Removed. Last edited on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 10:53 pm by kdick3 |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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jimmyb wrote: mark edward marchiafava wrote:and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. How else do you expect him to pay for his poor wife's medical bills....work? hell know. Much easier to sue someone. Sue the kid at Raising Canes....and he calls me a bully.  |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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jimmyb Regular Member
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nolacopusmc wrote: jimmyb wrote:mark edward marchiafava wrote:and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. You are a big bullly you have a badge.  |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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jimmyb wrote: nolacopusmc wrote:jimmyb wrote:mark edward marchiafava wrote:and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. I think he is just mad because he could never pass the pysch test to get his own. LOL. Actually, as crazy as he is, he would probably fit right in.  |
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jimmyb Regular Member
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nolacopusmc wrote: jimmyb wrote:nolacopusmc wrote:jimmyb wrote:mark edward marchiafava wrote:and that employee of Raising Cane's could probably be sued as well for the same reasons. Then he would be agenst OC you have to stand for something |
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BB62 State Researcher
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jimmyb wrote: Then he would be agenst OC you have to stand for something Do you have something constructive to add to this thread, or do you just like wasting bandwidth? |
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Dustin Regular Member
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chad pf-9 Regular Member
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Only thing I have to say is that I've OC'ed in the Laplace "Rasing Canes" several times,& haven't had any problems.. |
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