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OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Open Carry Brigade > News & Political Alerts > LoUiSiAna state soverignty act PASSED!
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oldgoat Regular Member 
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SCR2 - 2009 Regular SessionAuthor: CROWEStatus: PASSED THE HOUSE Updated: 6/24/2009Summary: CONGRESS: Memorializes Congress to affirm Louisiana's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America and to demand that the federal government halt its practices of assuming powers and imposing mandates upon the states for purposes not enumerated by the Constitution of the United States of America.DateChamberPageAction06/24/2009S Received from the House without amendments.06/24/2009H Read by title, concurred in by vote of 61 yeas, 11 nays.06/24/2009H Called from the calendar.06/24/2009H Read by title, returned to the calendar.06/03/2009H8Read by title, passed to 3rd reading.06/02/2009H36Reported favorably (11-0).05/13/2009H3Read by title, under the rules, referred to the Committee on House and Governmental Affairs.05/12/2009H2Received in the House from the Senate.05/11/2009S11Read by title, adopted by the vote of 32 yeas and 0 nays and ordered to the House.05/06/2009S11Reported favorably.04/27/2009S34Introduced in the Senate; read by title. Rules suspended. Read second time and referred to the committee on Senate and Governmental Affairs.04/02/2009S Prefiled. |
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SouthernBoy Regular Member 
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Well done, Louisiana!!! Now we just have to get 3/4's of the states to do the same thing so we can tell the feds where to put it. |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member 
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SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!! |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member 
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Even though I'm happy about the bill. The state of Louisiana has proven to have religious nutters who refuse science. The geek in me chuckles... They passed a bill back in 08 requiring schools to teach religion, as in "God created everything." aka. Creationism/Intelligent(Religion) Design. http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2719223520080627 Let's just forget the cradle of human life was found to be south Africa, not China. Let's throw out factual carbon dating which shows the age of our planet, findings of objects like the 35000 year old flute, and other scientific findings. Let's all just believe the Earth is 4000 years old... humans lives with dinosaurs(wtf? displayed in the moron design museum). Who the hell spends 27 million on a large dinosaur for a museum on creationism. Speaking about who is costing more money in one of the other threads, I'd have to say religion this time for the people of Louisiana. |
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Washintonian_For_Liberty Regular Member 
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insane.kangaroo wrote: Even though I'm happy about the bill. The state of Louisiana has proven to have religious nutters who refuse science. So what you're saying is that only freedom and liberty you agree with is acceptable. Just like only speech that agrees with your views is acceptable? I keep reminding people that Liberty is difficult because you have to allow for everyone to express their liberty. If they taught both Darwinism and creationism in their schools... that's a choice the people of that State made to express liberty. As long as they didn't teach it and exclude Darwinism... I think its fine. I for one do not believe in creationism, however, creationism does not teach that the Earth is only 4000 years old... that is one of the canards used by those who hate religion. The "Earth is only 4000 years old" story was told by one particular sect and did not reflect the greater body of creationist views. Intelligent designers are probably the greatest lot. But as I said before, allowing for Freedom and Liberty means allowing for people to do things you disagree with. That being said... the problem isn't creationism or Darwinism... the problem is State run schools that children are forced to go to that cause the argument in the first place... if all schools were private, you could chose to send your kids to a school that did not teach creationism. Its all about freedom... and the State controlling education is about as anti-freedom as you can get. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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I use the 4000 years old expression lightly. I realize there is more of a time span. However creationists don't believe the earth is millions years old. http://www.creationists.org/dinosaurs-humans-coexisted.html Might as well believe in Jules Verne  I do agree about states running schools. Schools here aren't allowed to cover specifics of sex education. Minimal sex education required. The family planning places all over the state complain about not being able to go more on how to prevent pregnancy. Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 06:29 pm by insane.kangaroo |
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Washintonian_For_Liberty Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo wrote: I use the 4000 years old expression lightly. I realize there is more of a time span. However creationists don't believe the earth is millions years old. You are welcome to your beliefs... and I think that your real beef is with State controlled education that can force topics on children the parents may not agree with. Am I right? |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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Not so much as topics, but factual information. Like I said, they might as well teach Jules Verne for history class if they're going to teach Creationism/Religious/Intelligent Design. |
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Tawnos Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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hahah Townos... There are actually people in this day and age who believe the world is flat. Some of them are people with degrees in areas like CS, which state it's all a big government conspiracy. (disbanded in 2001) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society EDIT: have to make a geek remark... OMGPONIES! Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 06:47 pm by insane.kangaroo |
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WheelGun Regular Member 
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How can the brave and highly justified actions of the State of Louisiana (the throwing off of Federal mandates) be belittled because of another, unrelated controversy (science/creationism) that also exists within that state? I live in a conservative, rural area of a state only about four hours drive from one of the largest left-wing population centers on the planet. I know that when they visit my area on vacation, they make fun of us here, not only for openly carried firearms, but for the prevalence of churches and other houses of worship. They also make fun of our economic status, our rusty cars, and our worn-out shoes. But they come here to relax, breathe clean air and feel safe. Not the other way around. The people of Louisiana deserve our respect. So what they don't teach Darwin as if it were it's own religion. I know many public school teachers who secretly disagree with Darwin, they just don't admit it. |
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insane.kangaroo Regular Member
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No, they don't. Teaching non-scientific information is no better than how the PETA goes in to schools attempting to lure in susceptible children to believe humans are supposed to be vegetarians. Even though humans can't digest cellulose since they lack the enzymes to digest the compound. Same can be said for Scientology, which I place right beside Creationism/Relgious/Intelligent Design in regards to actual science. |
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WheelGun Regular Member
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The problem with evolution is that according to the rules of scientific research, it is not science. Few of the headlines that come with a high school science fair board (materials, observation, conclusion) can be answered with Darwinism. It's a scientific theory, not proven science. |
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Dustin Regular Member 
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insane.kangaroo wrote: No, they don't. #2 from the Forum RULES. Go push your evolution religion in another thread. This one is about LOUISIANA State Sovereignty bill. The people get what the people want in Louisiana. That's called Liberty. MAJORITY WINS. They vote for it, and they act on it. If you don't like it, vote against it, if you still are not satisfied Get the hell out!!! Can we please for once STAY ON TOPIC ! Amazing how hard that is for some folks. Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 09:18 pm by Dustin |
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SouthernBoy Regular Member
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insane.kangaroo wrote: hahah Townos... Yeah and some even believe in global warming being caused by humans. You know, our schools were a lot better in the 50's than they are today. Gee, we had copies of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the Ten Commandments hanging our our classroom walls. As we said the Pledge of Allegiance, sang a patriotic song, and read something from the bible or the Jewish book before class. How about that. And in a public school, too. You know, I grew up just fine with no damage to my cranial member at all. And then came Madalyn Murray and the Supreme Court decision that somehow found something in the Bill of Rights that isn't in there that says we couldn't do what we had been doing. It all changed and a lot of things went downhill from there. Now I'm not one to try to push my beliefs on others, not do I stand on some soapbox and rant on and on about this and that. But I have seen much in my life and I know the what and why of things and how we have gotten to this point in our history. Y'all have a good evening.. I'm out. |
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TehGruu Regular Member
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Sorry, but I couldn't resist. Anyway, free speech is free speech. Congrats to the state of Louisiana! Hopefully Texas will do the same. |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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Sweet, 2 down, 48 to go.... And if you've ever read Origin of the Species, Darwin makes many of the best arguments against his own theory. Funny how 'scientific' supporters of his theory (and it IS a theory), ignore half of the book. But it does 'explain away' any reason for a human being to act like more than any other animal, and a LOT of people like that... |
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Tawnos Regular Member
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ixtow wrote: Sweet, 2 down, 48 to go.... Gravity is just a theory  |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member 
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Congrats Louisiana. And evolution is a theory with just as many wholes in it as creationism. The fossil record has no proof of evolution the same as there is no proof of a God. The mathmatical probabalities make it also very improbable to the point of impossible. That leaves it a belief system just like the many other religions in the world. And I find many evolutionist to be just as bad as crusaders and inquistadores of Spain. Believe this or you are a heathen. The hate they spew for those who don't believe the same as them is just as wrong as any religous zealot. I am neutral until there is absolute scientific proof of one thing or another who know the answers if they ever are found might surprise both sides of this volitile issue. Until then I agree with Washington for Liberty's veiwpoint. It should not be up to the state what our children learn. This idea scares many propagandist. |
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deepdiver Activist Member 
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Go Louisiana!! Now if they can just get it past the senate and signed by Jindal (isn't that where it goes to from here?) |
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ixtow Founder's Club Member
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Tawnos wrote: ixtow wrote:[giggles]Sweet, 2 down, 48 to go.... Most every branch of science defies the notion of evolution. But I'm not here to argue with those who see only what they want to. It's like talking to an anti.... Waste of time. How does Louisiana's Sovereignty Act compare to Montana's? Are they nearly identical, or are there drastic differences only witht he same name at the top? |
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MuellerBadener Regular Member 
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Tawnos wrote:
It's not gravity itself that is a theory, but the explaination of it, which scientist still argue over ad nauseum. The reason creation and gravity are still theory's is because nobody knows or can prove the FACTS, so..... let's get back to facts, like this thread has gone to H***! Let's talk about guns & gun laws! {  The Damned interferring, right usurping, tyranical, unconstitutional Laws!} |
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SouthernBoy Regular Member
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MuellerBadener wrote: Tawnos wrote: There is no gravity.... the earth sucks! |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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"The people get what the people want in Louisiana. That's called liberty." Sounds more like mob rule to me, especially knowing the stupidity of most Louisianians. No rule of law? No rights/limits against government as outlined in the state constitution? Scary stuff. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: "The people get what the people want in Louisiana. That's called liberty." So you believe people having freedom and liberty is scary? The Government needs to be involved? Hmmmm....thats scary when people think like that. |
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bohdi Regular Member 
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Congrats LA - Who there prays to Joe Pesci (RIP George Carlin) |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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Sudden Valley Gunner, What scares me is not freedom, but the opposite: mob rule/no rule of law, more accurately described as "democracy." |
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MuellerBadener Regular Member
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mark edward marchiafava wrote: Sudden Valley Gunner, What's worse: he lawless mob, or the lawful tryanny of the majority (Democracy)? It seems to me we nearly have the latter already. |
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mark edward marchiafava Regular Member
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they're one and the same. |
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WheelGun Regular Member
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Mob, Lawless; see Riots, Rodney King Majority, Tyranny of the; read Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities Rights, Sacrificing for Safety; see Hitler, Adolf Individual Liberty; see Fathers, Founding or Constitution, United States |
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MuellerBadener Regular Member
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WheelGun wrote: Mob, Lawless; see Riots, Rodney King +1 |
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KansasMustang Regular Member 
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insane.kangaroo wrote: Even though I'm happy about the bill. The state of Louisiana has proven to have religious nutters who refuse science.Now you sound just like that idiot that went after Sarah Palen during the campaign. One of the ELITE's that think that they're smarter than everyone else because they don't believe in the same philosophies. Freedom of speech and religion are what this country was founded on, what our forefathers, and some of us, fought, bled and died for. Setting yourself up as smarter, or better just because you think that anyone who believes in Creationism is stupid is setting yourself up like the idiots that are in control of the country at this moment. This country was founded on God, Guts, and Guns, and this forum is about the latter. Let's try and leave it THERE. And I suppose that I'll be on your list of idiots, but now the question is,,,do I give a s*&t? |
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Erus Regular Member
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Uhm... Truly not trying to flame you personally, or anyone else for that matter... or make an argument either way on the topic this was inspired by.. but Democracy (majority rules vote) is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. LIBERTY is the (well armed, and hopefully tolerant) sheep contesting the vote. MY point is that LIBERTY should be the equal right to choose regardless of the majority's opinion, based on YOUR OWN information/faith/knowledge/history/lineage/etc./etc. I let the fools I can not convince otherwise believe I am a fool. That's how I pay for my right to be one. If I refused them their right to be foolish, I would lose mine in the same stroke. (Means the same thing if the community has made a choice. It is my choice to comply, leave, or neither as I see fit, so long as my choice does not negate or interfere with yours/theirs, and I am willing to accept the natural <NOT imposed> results of my own choice.) Dustin wrote: That's called Liberty. MAJORITY WINS. |
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TheWarrior Regular Member 
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Well my initial elation at the news was slightly soured by the flaming.... First, as a literal, biblical, young-earth, ex nihilo Creationist, I personally cannot accept Evolution but that's not what we are here to debate. (And we believe the earth is 6,000 years old, btw, not four.) Let's stick to our guns--pun intended! Spencer |
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oldgoat Regular Member
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How did a celebratory post turn into, LoUiSiAna bashing? What this bill means to me? The fact that this bill passed both the house and senate by an overwhelming majority. The people of LoUiSiAna have a very firm grip on reality. Their is an omission in the bill however, it has no teeth. It should have included the withholding of fed. tax, as consequence for violating the terms of the contract. "The constitution is a contract between the states and the fed gov." However, it does leave an opening for that possibility.  Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 06:45 am by oldgoat |
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TheWarrior Regular Member
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oldgoat wrote: How did a celebratory post turn into, LoUiSiAna bashing? EXACTLY, oldgoat...just what I was wondering |
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Dustin Regular Member
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Erus wrote:
If the Majority didn't win, and nothing was ever established, then there would be complete chaos since everyone would be doing something different. That simply cannot happen. Where it does happen is in the Jungle. I prefer order judged by the foundational truths found in the Bible. Most of which exist through our very own US Constitution. If you think this should be a do what you want nation for everyone, than you completely disagree with the Constitution and assuredly the Bible. For both lay down organized life. |
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PT111 Regular Member 
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TheWarrior wrote: oldgoat wrote:How did a celebratory post turn into, LoUiSiAna bashing? Just routine for anything posted on this board. It does appear that no matter what is posted there is always someone who will do their best to take the joy out of it because it did not suit their view of what should have been done or that it did not go far enough. Yes there are some people that just cannot stand being happy or seeing anyone else happy. |
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Alexcabbie Regular Member
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The Second, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments are the most widely ignored provisions of the Constitution. Although the Second defends all the rest, that comes to naught if the rest are neglected. 9A and 10A have been lingering on the edge of death from neglect, the one thing arms cannot defend against. Louisiana has taken the first step toward nourishing these Amendments and getting them up out of the sickbed that would-be tyrants had hoped would be their deathbed. A lot has been said about Bible-thumping snake-handling religious nutbars supposedly endemic in the Great State of Louisiana. But this is also the state of New Orleans and the ridiculous Ray "Keep them schoolbuses parked by the levee" Nagin. They run their own railroad down there, though; and they don't like unlawful meddling. I only hope Virginia and the rest of the States follow suit. |
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