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biggin215 Regular Member 
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I carry a Glock 30 with 230 grain Fiocchi hollow points. I want some Rangers, but I have yet to find any. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member 
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.40 S&W -------Corbon powerball 135 Gr Why this load? Poor mans balistic Gelatin....Fill several buckets with the EXACT same amount of newspaper, layered exactly the same in each bucket. Fill each bucket with water to top, sit over night. In the morn. all water is absorbed into each bucket and paper swells(the paper will not dump out when bucket tipped) Cover each bucket wiyh a T-shirt and a pair of jeans(goodwill store) Shoot JUST 1 round of each type into the center of each bucket from the same distance. NOW THE COOL PART !!!!! As you remove the layers of paper, the hole does not shrink but gets bigger with each layer removed as slug mushrooms, also the shock rings stay as well. You will notice the rings height as well as diamater and number of rings increase as more layers are removed giving you a visual example of shock. When you reach the slug you will know exactly how deep, expansion, shock generated etc. The proof As they say is in the pudd'in. I have spent HOURS doing thease tests and DAMN !!! the Corbon Powerball makes the rest of them look like 380 rounds. It allways penetrates 6-9 inches deeper than the others and the recovered size is allways HUGE, Also has 2 -3 more shock rings extending to the edge of the bucket. Dont believe me? Try a few of your rounds against powerball and see for yourself. Don't take my word for it. The test materials are cheap,(less than $25.00) and you will know for sure. By the way believe it or not the next best performer was the Winchester Silvertip. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Biggin, By the way excellent topic, refreshing break . |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Oh Yea, My carry weapon is the Springfield Arms XDM |
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Dustin Regular Member 
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CaptainDan wrote: Oh Yea, My carry weapon is the Springfield Arms XDM Me too. But mine is from Springfield Armory  lol ! I carry the XDM .40 bi-tone. I really like the .40 ballistics. Speer Gold Dot 155 Gr. JHP |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Dustin wrote: CaptainDan wrote:Oh Yea, My carry weapon is the Springfield Arms XDM Yea, I was suprised by the difference in the bucket between all the .40 rounds. Also the bucket couldnt tell 9mm from .38 . And the shallowest with the least amnt. of shock was the heavy 45.s . Wierd huh? FIRM believer in the .40 after the bucket tests and Love any thing from Springfield. Want a Springfield Socom REAL BAD ! |
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Dustin Regular Member
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CaptainDan wrote: Dustin wrote:CaptainDan wrote:Oh Yea, My carry weapon is the Springfield Arms XDM Yea I'm a SA Fan myself. They've never let me down on Customer Service, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone who actually HATES Springfield  . I too would love to own a M1A but MAN they are high $$$$ If I were to get one it would have to be the M21 Tactical or the m25 Whitefeather. If you plan on using it as an Assualt Rifle I think your wasting your money. It kicks like a mule, and is hard to be quick and accurate. Much tougher than AR. M21 Tactical  M25 White Feather  |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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I was in P.C. Fla a while ago at Sarges Flea Mkt at "THE GUN SHOP" and He had a whole rack of M1A's for around $160.00 . All were used and slightly beat up (cosmetically) But were in perfect working order, should have gotten one. |
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Dustin Regular Member
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CaptainDan wrote: I was in P.C. Fla a while ago at Sarges Flea Mkt at "THE GUN SHOP" and He had a whole rack of M1A's for around $160.00 . All were used and slightly beat up (cosmetically) But were in perfect working order, should have gotten one. WHAT !?!?!? Are you sure ? Are you aware of how much they cost ? the SOCOM starts at $2,100 and the regular Standard M1A is going for around $1,700. And your saying $160 ? He'll I would have bought as many as I could have carried out. |
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XD-GEM Activist Member 
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My XD is 9mm. Being new to shooting when I bought it, I liked the idea of 16+1. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Dustin wrote: CaptainDan wrote:I was in P.C. Fla a while ago at Sarges Flea Mkt at "THE GUN SHOP" and He had a whole rack of M1A's for around $160.00 . All were used and slightly beat up (cosmetically) But were in perfect working order, should have gotten one. All most posative,M1A , Maybe they were refurbished. The stocks were pretty beat up and some had surface rust. But I did buy a S&W titatanium there for $200.00 |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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XD-GEM wrote: My XD is 9mm. Being new to shooting when I bought it, I liked the idea of 16+1. All the XD(M) 's are sweet. My XDM holds 16+1 in .40 cal SAAweeeeeeeet !!!!!! |
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XD-GEM Activist Member
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CaptainDan wrote: XD-GEM wrote:My XD is 9mm. Being new to shooting when I bought it, I liked the idea of 16+1. The XD(M) in 9mm holds 20+1 IIRC, but I ain't got another $600 bucks to plop down. The wife has decided it's time to repaint and such. My eyesight must be bad because the old paint looks fine to me.  |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Truth be told if you can't do it with 2 you need to go home anyway Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 12:10 am by CaptainDan |
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biggin215 Regular Member
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I am a big believer in using the biggest, most powerful bullet you can handle. I use a .45 right now but wouldn't shy away from a 10mm. I just don't own one. Me personally, I wouldn't go near a 9mm or 380 for defensive purposes. Too small, too little energy. |
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Johnny_B Regular Member
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I like my Beretta Px4 Storm 9mm 17+1     Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 01:05 am by Johnny_B |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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good lookin piece johny, my XDM is trimmed in gold. For real, Ill upload some pics. hols on. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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what am i doing wrong? Attached Image (viewed 96 times): |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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never mind I did it right, pic's up. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Nice, huh? Attached Image (viewed 94 times): |
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Johnny_B Regular Member
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Nice I was going to go with an XDM origianaly because my cousins XD-45 Tactical was awesome, but I shyed away because I wanted a safety, decocker, and a hammer. Still a great lookin' gun |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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thanks, there isnt a lot you can do to an xdm, they all look alike. Had to make mine different. |
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Dustin Regular Member
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I did that to my slide in RED though. |
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charlie12 Regular Member
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I carry a Sig in 357sig. |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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9mm or 45. with an occassional .380 on the side. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Dustin wrote: I did that to my slide in RED though. How did the red turn out, does it show up well? I thought about the .357 sig but the xdm doesnt come in sig, also not having one I wasn't able to bucket shoot it. The material I have read says the .40 and .357 sig are relatively the same in terms of energy and penetration. If I ever get my hands on one I am dying to do the paper/bucket test. Also .40 being so popular the rounds are easier to get , however if I get to bucket shoot one and it (.357 sig) is half as impressive as the .40 I'll get one. Ammo shortage or not. |
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Dustin Regular Member
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CaptainDan wrote: Dustin wrote:I did that to my slide in RED though. The Red looked pretty good, but it's Red on a Chrome slide so it doesn't exactly fit. However I got a Walther P22 that's all black, I'm thinking of doing it in Neon Yellow/Green. I like the .357 Sig round too, but Dan have you ever shot the 10mm in the bucket ? it's got some pretty good punch too and is relatively the same diameter as the .40 S&W |
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derf Regular Member
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I prefer 9mm, though I've had some nice .45s in the past. |
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Silverdrag02 Regular Member
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I had a 9mm Ruger P95 that I loved but decided to upgrade about a year ago and after test firing a few guns I went with the Taurus 24/7 Pro .40 cal. I absolutely love my Taurus and am now looking towards getting one of the Taurus PT-1911 .45's. |
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IA-Pro Regular Member 
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I prefer .45 and 9mm. I have a Taurus 24/7 OSS .45 - it holds 12+1. Love it. |
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Jerry McBride Founder's Club Member
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I still carry an old G17. Installed the NY trigger about ten years ago, everything else is original and, as of yesterday, still shoots fine. Current ammo is Hornady 147gr. TAP FPD. I have the XDM40 also. I'll OC it at lunch if I can find some spraypaint, 'cause it's all black.  ETA yellow thing Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 05:09 pm by Jerry McBride |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Yes, I shot a Colt Delta Elite in 10mm for the bucket test. I only had 2 different loads so it wasn't a complete test but the 10mm penetrated about 3 inches farther than the .40 but mushroomed poorly also the shock pattern left in the paper was not as pronounced (not raised up nearly As high) also the .40 had more shock waves , 5 at slug stopping point. If I remember correctly the 10mm had 3. It seems to me after the test results the 10mm basically went in farther but acted much like a FMJ, poor expansion and over penetration with little shock transference. Remember when fired the paper rises in waves and stays there so as you remove the layers of paper you can actually see the progression of size and strength of shock transferal. The 10mm did do better than many of the .40 in heavier loads though. The 180 grain in .40 is a real pig. My tests I promise were unbias as I have SEVERAL handguns in SEVERAL cal. and wanted to see which one (gun and load) I was willing to bet my life on. The test weapon for .40 wasn't even mine, at that time I didn't own a .40 cal. I thought going into the test the .45 colt or my S&W .357 would come out on top. It wasn't until after the test I got my XDM. If they had a cor-bon pow'r ball for 10mm I am sure it would out preform the .40 cal, Which I'm sure they do I just didn't have one for the test. As a matter of fact, no matter what cal. the Pow'r ball ALLWAYS out preformed EVERY OTHER LOAD for each cal. Those things are amazing. Also they ALLWAYS MUSHROOM, I have shot them through all sorts of medium in front or the paper and never a failure to expand, BIG. They are loaded hot too so penetration was allways impressive. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Test cal. were .22 mag .25- A joke by the way, rather throw rocks. .32-Not much better. And REALY hard to find ammo. .380 9mm 9 and 38 darn near identical in every way except expansion- 38 slightly better .38+p .357 .40 .45 10mm .44 spcl. test was done over 3 days Last edited on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 08:08 pm by CaptainDan |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Winchester Silvertips did well also (second best) Attached Image (viewed 75 times): |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Hey by the way guys I don't think I was clear , you turn the bucket on it's side, duct tape the clothes over the open end and shoot into the bucket. DO NOT shoot through side of bucket. (ruins bucket and negates bullet through 2 layers of cloths and into body test) |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Sent my wife to a couple of the ammo houses I haunt to pick up some of the new Hornady critical defence ammo and some 10mm Pow'rball. I'm gonna put them to the bucket when I get home. I'll post pics of the slugs and wound channels for you guys. The hornady critical defence looks like a knock off of the pow'r ball to me but pow'rball doesn't come in .38 (what my wife carries) and I want her to have the best defence ammo they make (becouse of the lowly .38 of hers) So if it has similar effects as the powerball I'll switch her carry load from the Hydra Shock (by far the best load in .38 during the bucket test) to the Hornady. like I said I'll post pics and results, offshore right now but will be home around 2nd so it'll be after that. |
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NAT Regular Member 
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Summer-9mm PT111- Perp Less Clothes Winter-PT145- Perp More Clothes Fishing- Hi-Point 9mm-Overboardd have not lost week paycheck Hunting-Hi-Point 40- Same as above Camping- 6" 357Taurus stainless with lazer site- Everbody sleeps good Bar Room- Buy Round of drinks when entering good running shoes- Someone will open the door for you to get out fast Anti Gun Carry Friends- Concealed Suprise- 4" 357 Taurus- Looks like nuclear explosion at nite |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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NAT wrote: Summer-9mm PT111- Perp Less Clothes LOL. I like that.  Welcome to our lovely community. Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 01:15 am by nolacopusmc |
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marshaul Activist Member 
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I carry a fully custom RIA Tactical (in .45 ACP of course). Great gun, great caliber. |
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jbird Regular Member
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Glock 30, .45 ACP for concealed carry. Glock 26, 9mm for Deep concealment when needed. Glock 21, . 45 ACP for open carry and sometimes for concealment in winter. Federal 230 gr HST in .45 and Speer Gold Dot 124 gr in 9mm. I like Austrian tupperware. BTW, Captain Dan, neat test data. Thanks. Jay Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 03:04 am by jbird |
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Dustin Regular Member
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NAT wrote: Summer-9mm PT111- Perp Less Clothes LOL ! We've got to meet Nice break down. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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jbird wrote: Glock 30, .45 ACP for concealed carry. Glock 26, 9mm for Deep concealment when needed. Glock 21, . 45 ACP for open carry and sometimes for concealment in winter. I like Austrian tupperware. Yea man any time, until recently I owned several acres and having nothing to do for two weeks at a time (When off the boat) I shot every day, my boys love it and it was somthing we could do together. Anyway , the boys asked me which gun was best, I did some research on balistic jel and the rest is , as they say, history. A small Arms trainer Buddy of mine uses the same test whenever a new round comes out for his fav(.45) The test is uber cheap and easy to do, you ought to grab a few of your favorite in your fav calibers and see which one preforms best. You will be AMAZED at the difference in performance in the same caliber. Also bullet weight makes a HUGE difference in penetration as well as shock transferal, the lighter bullets (in my tests anyway) allways came out on top. If you want a suggestion, stay away from the heavy .45's , they are real poor penetrators and the shock waves don't go out far at all. |
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Oscarr Regular Member 
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After my grand father died he left me his .44 magnum Astra revolver, I'm looking at a few different types of ammo to use with it. It's the first handgun I've owned, and the reason I'm looking into OC'ing. For self defense Cor-bon 165gr .44 special: https://dakotaammo.net/shop/index.php?cPath=21_45 And just because I think it's beautiful looking, and would love to try it out, Winchester Supreme 250gr hollow point platinum tip: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=816160 Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 05:03 pm by Oscarr |
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yale Regular Member 
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Let's see if I can explain things regarding my choice. The thread title - "What Caliber do you prefer" could, to me, mean what would you want if given any choice. I'd have to say that I'd feel quite safe carrying my old S&W model 19 .375 loaded with 125 grain JHPs. I even like my pair of Ruger P-89 pistols loaded with Cor-Bon 155 grain JHPs. I am comfortable with either of these choices and won't get into a debate over caliber vs shot placement vs whatever someone can come up to argue about. Alas, I take it the title is meant to be what do you perfer to (open) carry daily. If so then I have to admit to being partial to the same gun I would likly Conceal carry. That model is my Bersa Thunder .380 caliber pistol. OK, before anyone starts with bullet performance or the tired stuff like not trusting any caliber which doesn't start with a 4 , etc,....... Please don't. I've carried my Rugers and can tell you that by the end of the day the weight of the gun on my hip is a pain. It's a big, bulky tool and I'm a big bulky guy who gets tired of it hanging there. Same with revolvers like my old .357. I carried a Ruger Security Six or a S&W model 686 while working as a Corrections Officer and I can say for a fact that by the end of a shift I was HAPPY to turn in my gun to the arms room officer. With my little Bersa I hardly know it's there sometimes. It's slim, light and certainly not a burden. Would I carry something in a more "potent" caliber if I could. Sure, if it was about the same weight and size I'd love to. But the Bersa is what I have. I have practiced with it often and I know it and trust it to function when I need it. I know I'm accurate with it and am confident in being able to place my shots where needed when needed. Finally I compare my little Bersa to a kevlar vest. Like the discussion about a vest having to be light and confortable or a LEO will choose not to wear it and may not have it on when needed, so it is with my pistol. I choose a lighter, smaller gun over a heavier pistol because I'm more comfortable with it on my belt and less likly to decide against the agrivation of toting it around. So that's my long but detailed answer. I choose my Bersa Thunder .380 caliber pistol. |
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yale Regular Member
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Oopppsssss. Double post. Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 05:28 pm by yale |
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biggin215 Regular Member
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Has anyone ever shot the .45 GAP? We just got one in the shop the other day... I expect it to sit there for a LONG time. I doubt anyone will ever buy it. But anyway, how's the knockdown power? Is it a good round? |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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biggin215 wrote: Has anyone ever shot the .45 GAP? We just got one in the shop the other day... I expect it to sit there for a LONG time. I doubt anyone will ever buy it. But anyway, how's the knockdown power? Is it a good round? I have shot one once, but in all the students i train, people I meet in the gun community, etc., I have never heard fo anyone carrying one. For that matter, I have only heard of a couple of Glock junkies even owning one. Gastom Glock was destined to have a cartridge with his name on it. He made it happen. The problem is that it has ammo availability issues (even pre-OBAMA) and issues with providing an articulable advantage over any other caliber that has already proven itself. Do not have the ballistic data, but it is out there. More of a niche gun in my opinin. If I had the money, I would like one more for historical purposes, for I am sure it will go away. very similiar, the .357 Sig took off a little more, but when t was not adopted by LEO or MIL, it fell to the fringes. More people us it than the 45GAP, but it is nowehere near 9,45, or 40. |
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Oscarr Regular Member
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It's weird to see 45GAP mentioned, just yesterday I was at the BX at Barksdale (friend is military) and the lady behind the counter caught me staring at 45gap ammo wondering what it was and she came up and said "we just got a gun in that can actually use that ammo wanna check it out?" I got the impression it wasn't very popular |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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Oscarr wrote: It's weird to see 45GAP mentioned, just yesterday I was at the BX at Barksdale (friend is military) and the lady behind the counter caught me staring at 45gap ammo wondering what it was and she came up and said "we just got a gun in that can actually use that ammo wanna check it out?" Kinda like 10mmm. Was suppossed to be the next best thing but it never took off. |
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XD-GEM Activist Member
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nolacopusmc wrote: Oscarr wrote:It's weird to see 45GAP mentioned, just yesterday I was at the BX at Barksdale (friend is military) and the lady behind the counter caught me staring at 45gap ammo wondering what it was and she came up and said "we just got a gun in that can actually use that ammo wanna check it out?" Yeah, there was a flurry of articles when it first came out, but few manufacturers jumped on board. IIRC Springfield still has an XD in it. |
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Baldrik78 Regular Member
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I don't carry often, but when I do, it's Springfield 1911 Mil-spec, 45. acp 230 gr FMJ. I haven't shot defensive rounds out of it in years...it didn't always feed hollow points reliably, but I believe that may have be an issue with the angle of the feed ramps on the magazines I was using. Having replaced all my magazines, I think i'm up for testing out some defense rounds. Anyone got any recommendations? |
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Jerry McBride Founder's Club Member
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Baldrik78--Welcome to OCDO. There are a few ideas early in this thread but availability might mean 'take what you can get' for now. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Baldrik78 wrote: I don't carry often, but when I do, it's Springfield 1911 Mil-spec, 45. acp 230 gr FMJ. Corbon pow'r ball ! ! It will feed 100 % of the time. It has a plastic ball in the cavity (wich is why it mushrooms through ANY medium, the polymer ball is naturally slick and would feed in a rusty pipe full of mud. Said ball is forced back into the v- shaped hollow cavity upon contact, thus forcing the sides out.) Read my earlier posts about the tests on this thread. The pow'rball mushroomed every time in every cal. when shot through plywood, drywall, clothes, even a dryer. Preforms better than any hollow point but feeds like a FMJ. |
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Baldrik78 Regular Member
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That sounds pretty sweet. I'll have to look for those next time I go hunt for ammo. thanks! |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Baldrik78 wrote: That sounds pretty sweet. I'll have to look for those next time I go hunt for ammo. Any time Brother. |
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CaptainDan Regular Member
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Baldrik78 wrote: That sounds pretty sweet. I'll have to look for those next time I go hunt for ammo. Any time Brother. Sorry for the double post, I'm offshore trying to hold on with 1 hand and type w/ the other. Last edited on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 12:00 am by CaptainDan |
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nolacopusmc Banned
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CaptainDan wrote: Baldrik78 wrote:I don't carry often, but when I do, it's Springfield 1911 Mil-spec, 45. acp 230 gr FMJ. that stuff is even harder to find right now than .380 ball. LOL |
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Baldrik78 Regular Member
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I hear that. I've been doing good just to keep a few hundred rounds of FMJ in my range bag. |
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