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buster81 Regular Member 
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So, I've been following the blog of Dan Casey at the Roanoke Times, and he seems to be at it again. If it wasn't so sad, it might be amusing. http://blogs.roanoke.com/rtblogs/dancasey/2009/06/27/actual-stories-concealed-carry-death-andor-mayhem/ |
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curtiswr Regular Member 
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 I think you said it best: "If it wasn't so sad, it might be amusing."  |
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ProShooter Regular Member 
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You can't polish a turd. |
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Skeptic Regular Member 
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ProShooter wrote: You can't polish a turd.Actually it would be easier to polish a turd than understand his twisted logic. Mythbusters made some rather shiny polished turds  |
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hsmith Regular Member 
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If you really want to change opinions, contact their advertisers and let them know you won't be buying from a company that supports this garbage. |
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wylde007 Regular Member 
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People like this should be put to sleep. They are specifically and exactly what is wrong with FREE society today. They WANT to be ruled. They NEED to be told what to do. Otherwise, their heads would explode from having to make too many decisions on their own. And they figure that everyone else must be just like them, so let's impose our own morality (or, rather, lack thereof) on the rest of humanity because we're weak-minded simpletons. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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Any wonder with tripe like this that newspapers are losing their audience? Yata hey Disclaimer: Poster is not literally intended. Attached Image (viewed 270 times): |
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Neplusultra Regular Member 
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Grapeshot wrote: Any wonder with tripe like this that newspapers are losing their audience? Actually, I've been reading some of his responses in the comments thread. I always like it when the author makes comments to reader's comments. He seems fairly objective, albeit starting from a very "anti" starting point. He says he's going to post links to events where CC saved someone's life that someone had emailed him. We'll see if he does and what he has to say about that.... PS: Our issue really isn't with "journalists" but with "journalists" that aren't really being journalists :^). Just the facts ma'am.... Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 11:16 pm by Neplusultra |
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peter nap Regular Member 
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Neplusultra wrote: Grapeshot wrote:Any wonder with tripe like this that newspapers are losing their audience? I agree completely. A journalest should always be objective  http://news.oldva.org/blogroll/a-double-ox-butt-award-for-tim-kaine/ A double Ox Butt award for Tim Kaine Kaine, will you please go away! Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: “Once it happens you don’t see a move to go backwards and I think it is because people will get the experience and realize that this a good thing for health and just for aesthetic enjoyment of people eating out,” said Kaine. You are too dumb to be dogcatcher, let alone Governor! This is Tobacco Country and you just won a double Ox Butt award!  Last edited on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 11:49 pm by peter nap |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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In Dan Casey's Bio is states that "he knows a little bit about allot of things, but not allot about anything in particular". It shows. |
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Neplusultra Regular Member
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peter nap wrote: Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: In the old days, when people still had property rights, there was this custom when you walked into a restaurant, the waitress would ask you, "Smoking or non-smoking?" She would then seat you in the section reserved for what you chose. That way everyone was happy. The non-smokers enjoyed the flavor of their food and their clothing remained fresh smelling. The smokers got their nicotine fix which allowed them to enjoy their meal. And restaurant owners were happy because they got the business of both groups. Ahhh. Those were the days :^). The only ones that weren't happy were the over zealous do-gooders who would see the smokers smoking on the other side of the restaurant. But who cares about them :^)? Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 12:58 am by Neplusultra |
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hsmith Regular Member
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Neplusultra wrote: peter nap wrote:Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: Even here up in NoVA, we have NON SMOKING RESTAURANTS! Golly, the FREE MARKET figured out that people didn't want to eat in smoke filled filth! And guess what, no law needed to be passed! Crazy how that free market works! |
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peter nap Regular Member
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hsmith wrote: Neplusultra wrote:peter nap wrote:Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: I think I resent that remark....even though I agree with it |
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TFred Regular Member
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Neplusultra wrote: peter nap wrote:Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: I'm fully aware that this is not the smoking-in-restaurants-forum, but you really have left out what I suspect is the largest group of folks, the very unhappy "non-smokers who were seated just a few feet away from a 'magic line' that was somehow supposed to keep their food tasting fine, and their hair and clothes smelling fresh, but since smoke obeys the laws of physics, and disperses randomly with the air currents, and does not follow 'magic lines' drawn on seating charts in a restaurant, their food still tasted nasty, and their hair and clothes ended up smelling nasty as well" group. Trust me, I am no fan of Kaine, but if we get this one good thing from him, perhaps it will be one less evil he will be punished for in the after-life... Barring a closed room and separate ventilation system, you can't get around the age-old saying: "A smoking section in a restaurant is like a peeing section in a swimming pool."  TFred |
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peter nap Regular Member
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TFred wrote: Neplusultra wrote:peter nap wrote:Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: Fred, you do have a point but as just pointed out, there are a number of non smoking restaurants. If you don't want to see naked women, don't go to a nudie bar. The bad news for non smokers that want to go to smoking restaurants is, most of the places I eat in on a regular basis, have talked to their lawyers and plan to put signs up that say NO SMOKING. Then ignore the ban. The police sure aren't going to enforce it and the owner has covered his butt. So don't expect to go anywhere you want and have a smoke free environment. I may start a new forum. OSDO (Open Smokers Dot Org) |
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ProShooter Regular Member
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Neplusultra wrote: Our issue really isn't with "journalists" but with "journalists" that aren't really being journalists :^). Just the facts ma'am.... Casey doesnt claim to be a journalist. He claims to be a columnist, thus, the article slants in whichever direction he wishes. |
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peter nap Regular Member
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ProShooter wrote: Neplusultra wrote:Our issue really isn't with "journalists" but with "journalists" that aren't really being journalists :^). Just the facts ma'am.... Glad you brought it back on topic. I was wondering how long it would be, before someone ordered a rope! |
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buster81 Regular Member
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I found this and had to laugh. I don't think you need to be a big fan of Spinal Tap to get a chuckle out of Jason's posting: In the brilliant movie This is Spinal Tap, the band's manager explains to their dim-witted* guitarist that the small bread on their hors de oeurve platter is not too small, you just have to fold the meat to fit it. Nigel can't grasp the concept, even after having the meat folded to fit the bread, he stares and replies, "But if you keep folding it..." He then folds the mini-sandwich until it breaks. Dan: Legal concealed carry in bars is a bad idea! Jason: Dan, they have done it that way all over the country for years and it hasn't been a problem. Dan: But alcohol + guns is a recipe for disaster. Jason: Well yeah, it might seem that way at first, but there's no evidence that it's true. Dan: Have you ever been in a bar? You can't have guns in there! Jason: [Starting to cry] Dan, they already do! Dan: Drunks are in bars. Drunks shouldn't have guns. Jason: [Sobbing] Stop it Dan! You know you could see if this is a problem, why won't you look?! Dan: But if you keep folding it.... *Unlike Nigel, Dan is not dim-witted. Dan is however married to an idea and he's holding onto that gal no matter how much she lies to him. |
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curtiswr Regular Member
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buster81 wrote: Dan is however married to an idea and he's holding onto that gal no matter how much she lies to him. I'm really not looking forward to what kind of spin he will put on the column/blog he's supposedly writing that details/lists links to stories of how legal carry of firearms has saved lives. I think it's going to be something worthy of two, maybe even three, of the " " emoticons.  Maybe he'll surprise us and give an unbiased approach... doubtful, but maybe he'll do it through gritted teeth just to try and show proof that he is capable of not being ridiculously slanted. |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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Dan: Legal concealed carry in bars is a bad idea! Can't be no worse than illegal concealed carry in bars, and that's been going on for decades. Didn't hear anyone complaining about it then. BTW, am I wrong or are Virginians already allowed to OC in bars? Last edited on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 07:51 am by Task Force 16 |
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curtiswr Regular Member
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Task Force 16 wrote: Dan: Legal concealed carry in bars is a bad idea! Here in Virginia OC is the only legal option to carry in any establishment that serves alcohol/has an ABC license. |
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xdm guy Regular Member
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yes we are open carry only in places that serve |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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xdm guy wrote: yes we are open carry only in places that serve OK, then you are trying to get CC legal as well, right? If that's the case, why are these people wetting their drawers now? I mean, this makes no sense what so ever. IIRC you don't need a permit to OC in Virginy, OC is legal in bars, and you want CC (permit required) legal too. And these panty waists are whinning over something they won't be able to see? I think you folks have a mental health problem over there.  |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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curtiswr wrote: Task Force 16 wrote:Dan: Legal concealed carry in bars is a bad idea! Fixed it for you. Re: Casey - To give links or refer to the pro side while basing his articles and headlines on an anti position does not redeem him. He is capable of making intelligent conclusions and taking a position, though doing so may not fit his job description. Reminds me of the old saw - if it barks, growls, has fleas and sits in the middle of the road licking its d***; it must be a dog. Casey is just such an creature and I do not let that kind in my house. Yata hey |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Task Force 16 wrote: OK, then you are trying to get CC legal as well, right? If that's the case, why are these people wetting their drawers now? Before "shall issue" permits (hand gun only), we had "may issue." Even then, with may issue CWP, you could carry concealed in a restaurant that served alcohol - I did! Now I OC where ever and when ever possible. The mental health problem is not exclusive to Va. It reached pandemic proportions with Brady, MMM and the recent Hope & Change bunch. Yata hey |
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peter nap Regular Member
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Grapeshot wrote: Task Force 16 wrote:OK, then you are trying to get CC legal as well, right? If that's the case, why are these people wetting their drawers now? That's a good point Grape. I was able to legally carry CC in bars. Even more, in those days we had the saddlebag law where people (women in particular) could carry CC in hand luggage, without a permit. CC in bars is not a new idea. |
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richarcm Regular Member 
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hsmith wrote: Neplusultra wrote:Yeah its insane how efficiently things work when you just let them do their thing. When you start forcing a square peg into a circular hole....you might get it through but only after you do a little damage. NOVA was working just fine in regards to smoking. If the owners don't like it....don't put out ashtrays. If the employees don't like it...work next door. If the patrons don't like it...go to a different bar. Choice isn't only about gay rights and abortion.peter nap wrote:Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: |
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KBCraig Regular Member
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Task Force 16 wrote: BTW, am I wrong or are Virginians already allowed to OC in bars? Virginia has no bars. Virginia has restaurants, some of which have ABC licenses allowing them to sell alcohol for on-premises consumption. The finest restaurant in town and the worst dive in town have exactly the same legal standing. |
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darthmord Regular Member 
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Neplusultra wrote: peter nap wrote:Kaine said about the anti smoking bill today: Yeah and then restaurants as an industry started making the boundaries between smoking and non-smoking more porous than swiss cheese. That had the unfortunate result of making the area furthest away from the smoking section still stink & reek of cigarette smoke. Thing is, everyone started off as a non-smoker. That is the default state. You choose to be a smoker. In my case, I don't even have that choice. The smoke alone makes my allergies flare up bad enough to justify a trip to the hospital for breathing difficulties. That Sandi lady though... she's a real piece of work. Even when confronted with evidence contrary to her stance, she's highly dismissive of it and would happily sell out anyone who cares about firearms. Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 03:04 pm by darthmord |
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buster81 Regular Member
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Grapeshot wrote: Before "shall issue" permits (hand gun only), we had "may issue." Even then, with may issue CWP, you could carry concealed in a restaurant that served alcohol - I did! Do you know when the may issue turned to shall issue? Was this law to disallow CC in restaurants passed at the same time? I was thinking of giving Dan my 2 cents worth, and will point this out to him. He should be able to find some evidence of a drop in "bar" crime at this time. Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 04:50 pm by buster81 |
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bohdi Regular Member 
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but this one goes to 11.... Why not just increase 10 to the same loudness as 11, and still call it 10?  But this one goes to 11.... Put up the sign and don't enforce....that's what I thought of...lol.. Nigel rocks - and they are back from the dead |
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buster81 Regular Member
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Task Force 16 wrote: xdm guy wrote:yes we are open carry only in places that serve If you read the total string of comments, over a number of different posts, and filter through all the rubbish, you will see that the Dan, the author of the original piece, is making the argument that people carrying a concealed gun inside a "bar" will, after having too much to drink, all the sudden get into a "face off" with another patron. I think we all know why this is foolish. The columnist isn't able to back up his theory with any data, but that doesn't matter I guess. Now, look at where this columnist works. The Roanoke Times published a list of CHP holders and personal information, simply because it was their 1st Amendment right to publish it. No service was provided with the list. It was not news in any way. This just continues alone with their anti-gun agenda. Also, it appears as though there is some sort of a competition between their columnists to jack up the post count in their blogs. On a recent one, the columnist basically got out on his own blog and encouraged people to comment along the lines of "hey it's been 4 hours and not comments. come on, say something". Dan seems to troll his own posts looking for nonsense to argue with. So, I suppose they have their panties in a wad about this now, just because it is "provocative", to steal Dan's own description of his opinion. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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buster81 wrote: Grapeshot wrote:Before "shall issue" permits (hand gun only), we had "may issue." Even then, with may issue CWP, you could carry concealed in a restaurant that served alcohol - I did! I believe it was in 1995 that we went from CWP to CHP and lost CC in restaurants serving alcohol. My google fu is not serving me well today, so no cite. I think I remember that date from a Va-Alert where it was referenced. Yata hey |
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buster81 Regular Member
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Grapeshot wrote: buster81 wrote:Grapeshot wrote:Before "shall issue" permits (hand gun only), we had "may issue." Even then, with may issue CWP, you could carry concealed in a restaurant that served alcohol - I did! This is all I could find, but it doesn't mention CC in a restaurant. http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/ShallIssue.htm |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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buster81 wrote: This is all I could find, but it doesn't mention CC in a restaurant. This is an old review and out of date in some instances i.e. "Virginia has no centralized data base of concealed weapon permits. Each of 123 circuit courts in Virginia would have to be contacted in order to determine how many permits are currently issued." The VSP does indeed have a centralized data base of CHP holders - that in fact is a requirement for reciprocity with some other states and it was this information that the Roanoke Times so recklessly published a while back. Yata hey Last edited on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 08:53 pm by Grapeshot |
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Repeater Regular Member 
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An Op-Ed from Philip Van Cleave: Cool the smoldering fear-mongering on guns By Philip Van Cleave Van Cleave is the president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League in Midlothian Unlike what Casey wrote, under Virginia law gun owners currently may openly carry into a restaurant and drink if they wish. But they are not allowed to get drunk. Truth is, that while it is legal, gun owners are simply not interested in drinking and carrying a gun. The bill that passed the General Assembly this year would have allowed for concealed handgun permit holders to be able to carry concealed as long as they didn't drink. Gun owners were fine with that. They simply want to be able to carry discreetly in restaurants and enjoy a meal. The people you should be worried about, violent criminals, already carry in restaurants concealed. Unlike permit holders, they don't care that it's illegal. So it is not about carrying concealed in bars and drinking, as Casey says, (Virginia doesn't have actual bars, by the way -- they are always part of an eating establishment) it is about carrying concealed and eating in restaurants that happen to serve alcoholic beverages. While Casey enjoys fear-mongering about "smoldering wisps that emerge from hot pistol barrels after some permit-holding, gun-hiding patrons get into a face-off," he fails to point out that currently those same gun owners can legally carry concealed at special events where alcohol is served and have been doing so for decades. All without problems. Such imaginary face-offs with permit holders have been used shamelessly for a long time now by those who hate guns. When Virginia started issuing permits on a "shall issue" basis in 1995, people like Casey were screaming about the danger of shoot-outs in grocery stores after two carts collide in the aisle. Those dire warnings all turned out to be nothing more than active imaginations working way over time. But 14 years later, here we go again. Finally, I wonder where Casey was when another bill passed the General Assembly last year and was signed into law by Gov. Tim Kaine that allows off-duty commonwealth's attorneys to carry concealed and drink in restaurants? I didn't hear a word from him or The Roanoke Times bemoaning that one. I have no problem with commonwealth's attorneys or permit holders carrying concealed and having a drink with their meal. They are all good people who have a proven track record of being law-abiding citizens. Let's not paint any of them as something they are not in order to push for more pointless gun control. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Well said. Kudos to Philip. Yata hey |
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Yea Phil! Great work!  |
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Mr. Van Cleave is a gifted writer and orator for our cause. Thank you for all you do Phillip; keep up the great work! |
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Task Force 16 Campaign Veteran
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MSC 45ACP wrote: Mr. Van Cleave is a gifted writer and orator for our cause. Not so much that Mr Van Cleave is a "gifted" writer. A "gifted" writer is one who can lay words to paper in such a way as to convey his/her view to the reader in understandable fashion, while getting his spelling and grammer correct. Joseph Geobbels was a "gifted" writer. Karl Marx was a "gifted" writer. Dan Casey is a "gifted" writer. And yes, Philip Van Cleave is a "gifted" writer. Heck, so are Mike, John and a few others on this board. The difference between the first 3 writers mentioned above and the others is that Geobbels, Marx, and Casey wrote/write lies and try to pass them off as truths. Van Cleave, Mike, JOhn and the others write with truth and honesty, backed by factual evidence. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Task Force 16 wrote: MSC 45ACP wrote:Mr. Van Cleave is a gifted writer and orator for our cause. Veritas vos liberabit. When writing/speaking the truth with conviction and dedication, indeed a passion for the facts, the message will not fade in the bright light of public scrutiny. All too often, history has offered up scribes and orators dedicated to perverting, distorting the simple proposition of being honest and factual. Why - for their own distorted benefit and purpose. These latter three champions of our RKBA, each utilizing honest hard facts coupled with their own inimitable style, rise head and shoulders above the more plebeian authors. This is what makes them gifted in the context of who we are and what we do. If they are not gifted, then their success must be the result of much effort, blood, sweat and tears. The final result is, in any event, a job well done. I recognize them and thank them for being who they are and more specifically for what the do. Their chosen "night job" is not always easily accomplished but I have never heard a whisper of complaint. Yata hey Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 04:26 am by Grapeshot |
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wylde007 Regular Member
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The difference between the first 3 writers mentioned above and the others is that Geobbels, Marx, and Casey wrote/write lies and try to pass them off as truths.Oh, you mean like the NEA? |
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buster81 Regular Member
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So, it looks like Dan is trying to get a buzz going against CC in a restaurant. He's blogged about the lawsuit in Arizona, and the one in Tennesee. What do these have to do with metro Roanoke? I guess it's good thing that this rag can't possible have that many readers. Last edited on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 07:24 am by buster81 |
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VA Caver Regular Member 
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How 'bout this cartoon from the RT? Despite being shown tons of facts about guns in bars, the RT once again resorts to scare tactics when the facts don't support their agenda.  (Don't miss the button on the guys shirt.)  Last edited on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 02:49 pm by VA Caver |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member
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Ho humm - nothing exciting here. Think I'll just have a bite to eat and enjoy the fine atmosphere in Va. Yata hey |
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