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Dave Workman
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:31 pm |
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Fort Hood shooting reveals shortcomings of institutionalized political correctness
http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Fort-Hood-shooting-reveals-shortcomings-of-institutionalized-political-correctness
Or try this:
http://tinyurl.com/yjdstga
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Mike_Hawke
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:47 pm |
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| The blood is still fresh and someone has already turned it into a political issue. How sad.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:00 pm |
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Mike_Hawke wrote: The blood is still fresh and someone has already turned it into a political issue. How sad.
Tell it to this guy:
Mike_Hawke wrote: Gun free populations are always the best ones to shoot up.
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Mike_Hawke
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:05 pm |
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Dave Workman wrote: Mike_Hawke wrote: The blood is still fresh and someone has already turned it into a political issue. How sad.
Tell it to this guy:
Mike_Hawke wrote: Gun free populations are always the best ones to shoot up.
Simple observation vs. usage as a platform for political gain. Nice try though.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:10 pm |
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And just *what* am I trying to gain politically?
Seems to me I'm beating up on the press.
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 10:55 am |
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http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html
Good taking piont by Bill on this.
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SouthernBoy
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jbone wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html
Good taking piont by Bill on this.
The current two theaters of hostility pale in comparison to what our men in arms went through in WWII in places like Iwo Jima, Tarawa, Normandy, and hundreds of other places where their courage was tested.
Now mind you, I'm in no way marginalizing or denigrating what our soldiers and Marines are currently having to go through. But it's a matter of degrees. On Iwo, we suffered over 26,000 casualties in five weeks of horrific fighting. That's around 750 per day (200 per day killed). And that was just one battle. We were also fighting the Germans and suffering heavy losses during this period as well.
With numbers like this, our present day media would go ballistic. Mr. O'Reilly is correct with his Talking Points in this segment. The media is disgusting enough as it is.. you would think they might show a measure of both respect and factual reporting after such a terrible incident as the Fort Hood shooting. But then again, they seem to have a history of military-bashing, don't they?
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 06:58 am |
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Mike_Hawke wrote: The blood is still fresh and someone has already turned it into a political issue. How sad.
This incident is a political issue. No "turning" is needed, and to deny that fact is either naive or disingenuous.
The only question is which political issue contributed the most to these deaths and injuries, the heinous "political correctness" which prevented serious inquiry into the widely noted suspicious behavior of the murderer, for fear of "offending" someone, or was it the typical "Gun Free, Guaranteed Victim Zone" imposed on these defenseless professional soldiers, which denied them a fair and fighting chance to save their own lives?
Both of these contributing factors to the deaths and injuries are very political issues, and we need to fix them both, right now! Whether we are fighting enemies of the nation, or criminals within, neither element grants mercy due to political ideology. It's a real world we live in, with real world consequences. The luxury of political ideology is just that, a luxury. To survive, one must know and use common sense. Neither of these two issues reflect that.
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SouthernBoy
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 12:33 pm |
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The victims who died will be attended to by their loved ones. Those wounded will heal and learn to live their lives again. The reporting will subside and the institution that is Fort Hood and our military will go on.
But sadly, something will not change unless the change is for the worse. And that is the fact that the fort will remain a gun free zone, open for another such incident to take place by some other individual(s) intent upon killing as many people as possible. The idiots in power, be they our public servants, military officers, or whomever will continue to carry the mantra of ignorance thinking their gun free zones will ward off crazed killers. What these people really are doing is aiding and abetting killers which means the blood of the victims is large on their hands.
The definition of insanity: continuing to make the same mistake over and over while expecting a different result. You think this could be applied to these idiots?
And then there is this. Where in the hell do they get off, telling us how and under what circumstances and conditions we are allowed to protect ourselves from harm?
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 12:45 pm |
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TFred wrote: Mike_Hawke wrote: The blood is still fresh and someone has already turned it into a political issue. How sad.
This incident is a political issue. No "turning" is needed, and to deny that fact is either naive or disingenuous.
No, it's not. A bunch of people were murdered and injured, nothing more. Using their blood to push for, or against, gun control is disgusting. Do your lobbying on your own time. Not every shooting incident needs to be used as a political platform to play the pro/anti gun game.
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Master Doug Huffman
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 03:15 pm |
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Woo hoo! The "pro/anti gun" game!
Gun control is about control and not about guns. The NRA and BCPGV use each other as the booger-man to exact profit. They play good cop/bad cop on the witless.
Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 03:43 pm |
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Master Doug Huffman wrote: Woo hoo! The "pro/anti gun" game!
Gun control is about control and not about guns. The NRA and BCPGV use each other as the booger-man to exact profit. They play good cop/bad cop on the witless.
No, it's about distraction. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll busy yourself with important issues and leave the partisan wedge issues by the wayside. But, you're right, they play good-cop/bad-cop on the witless: you.
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 04:44 pm |
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Mike_Hawke wrote: TFred wrote: Mike_Hawke wrote: The blood is still fresh and someone has already turned it into a political issue. How sad.
This incident is a political issue. No "turning" is needed, and to deny that fact is either naive or disingenuous.
No, it's not. A bunch of people were murdered and injured, nothing more. Using their blood to push for, or against, gun control is disgusting. Do your lobbying on your own time. Not every shooting incident needs to be used as a political platform to play the pro/anti gun game.
I'll stick by my choices of "naive or disingenuous". Which are you? I provided a well articulated explanation of why these issues are political, to which you replied "No, it's not". Tell me, were you holding your breath and jumping up and down while you typed that?
Ignoring these two political contributing factors will guarantee at least one thing: A repeat of this or a similar terrorist act in the future. Ask Bill Clinton how that worked for him with the first WTC attack.
We know your kind.
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 05:27 pm |
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It's ironic that the US Armed Forces... is not 'armed'. There is no valid reason that all qualified NCO's/Petty Officers E-5 and above or all qualified Officers should not be issued sidearms for open carry on/off duty on post or station. This could also be similar to the Navys PRP (Personal Reliability Program) in intent for that purpose. Not just the combat arms types, but particularly among the support personnel echelon. The 'housecats'...
Utility belt, pistol/holster and mag pouch would do it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 06:30 pm |
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TFred wrote: Ignoring these two political contributing factors will guarantee at least one thing: A repeat of this or a similar terrorist act in the future. Ask Bill Clinton how that worked for him with the first WTC attack.
We know your kind.
TFred
Fear as logic. Try again.
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