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USN_MA1 Regular Member
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Besides that fact that it takes a deal with the Devil himself to get a carry permit here...has there been any forward movement on making it easier to do so? I recall something being pushed in the right direction by some local females because they wanted something to protect themselves from the jackass ice heads there on the islands. Any news? |
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Anubis Regular Member 
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I have an interest in HI, because I have relatives there and sometimes visit. I couldn't find anything newer than this from last year, which you already saw, based on your comment. http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?f63ec11c-c076-43bc-9d0f-5d834043964d I think the cited bill was introduced and quickly defeated. The NRA's Hawaii firearm news page http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/State/Specific.aspx?st=HI has nothing more recent either. |
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USN_MA1 Regular Member
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I really dig Hawaii, lived there for 8 years...I just don't get why they are so backwoods when it comes to gun laws. Its not like the crime could get WORSE or anything...  I guarantee that if they let people carry guns, less people would be robbed or anything else of the like. |
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CPL_in_WA Regular Member
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I just had one of my 'If I could do...' thoughts. Since the anti-gun-nuts think one of the elements of state/city/district gun ban failures is the easy availability of firearms in adjacent gun-friendly states, why not try a complete gun-ban in Hawaii?  I'm sure they'd think of some other reason why their methods weren't working...  On second thought, bad idea. That would deny an entire state their rights and leave them defenseless. Except of the criminal element...  Please note... this is hypothetical! This idea runs along the same line as using 'that rectangular state' as a prison and televising the results. |
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USN_MA1 Regular Member
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CPL_in_WA wrote: I just had one of my 'If I could do...' thoughts. Since the anti-gun-nuts think one of the elements of state/city/district gun ban failures is the easy availability of firearms in adjacent gun-friendly states, why not try a complete gun-ban in Hawaii?if I never thought of going back, I'd agree... |
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Jared Regular Member 
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No news, because they are lazy. I'm being blunt, they are lazy. The Hawaii Supreme Court affirmed that their is a state constitutional right to keep and bear arms in 1995 in State v Mendoza. They said registration is reasonable and not a violation of the right; HOWEVER, no one followed up on the bear part. Hawaii requires a license to conceal carry and contrary to how the Hawaii page on this site reads, there is a seperate permit required to open carry. Since both modes of carry are denied (since permits are not issued, open carry permits are issued for employment only) the bear part is denied. No one followed up on this. I brought this up a long time ago but no one seemed to really care. |
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Tomahawk Regular Member 
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CPL_in_WA wrote: I just had one of my 'If I could do...' thoughts. Since the anti-gun-nuts think one of the elements of state/city/district gun ban failures is the easy availability of firearms in adjacent gun-friendly states, why not try a complete gun-ban in Hawaii? Already been demonstrated a failure on an another English-speaking island: England. England and Hawaii even have the same Union Jack on their flags. Birds of a feather... |
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Agent19 Regular Member 
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could it be because so many Japanese live in Hawaii. we all know how restrictive Japan is regarding firearms  |
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XD Owner Regular Member 
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Jamaica is another classic case of a gun ban which does not work. Jamaica has one of the highest murder rates in the western hemisphere. I believe Jamaica is second only to Colombia. I have heard that smugglers send disassembled guns to Jamaica inside washing machines, TVs, and other consumer products. So the good people are disarmed and the criminals run wild. There are some neighborhoods in Kingston that the police will not enter without Jamaica Defense Force personnel providing back up from armored personnel carriers. They are called, fittingly enough, garrison constituencies, since the "dons" who run the community are aligned with one of the two major political parties. Here is an interesting Sept. 1, 2007 article about elections in Jamaica. KINGSTON, Sept 1 (Reuters) - Gunmen in Jamaica killed seven people, including four women and a member of the governing party on Saturday, in what police said was political violence ahead of Monday's general election. Four were killed in the George's Valley community in the south central parish of Manchester. The other three died when gunmen attacked people in the Kingston suburb of McGregor Gully, a stronghold of the ruling People's National Party, or PNP. One person was also wounded in that attack. Two new polls showed support for the opposition Jamaica Labour Party surging ahead of Monday's vote, in which the PNP is seeking a record fifth consecutive victory. Portia Simpson Miller, the Caribbean nation's first female prime minister, is seeking her first election victory since taking the reins of the PNP last year after longtime prime minister P.J. Patterson stepped down. Jamaica, a parliamentary democracy, has a long history of political violence, although it has tapered off in recent years. In 1980 nearly 900 people died in violence leading up to elections. In July, police and soldiers were deployed to a volatile community near the capital to quell political shootings. Police said the violence was politically motivated and the PNP said all seven dead were party supporters. "This is a clearly defined strategy aimed at intimidating voters on election day," said John Junor, an outgoing PNP member of parliament. Gunmen drove through a section of the community early on Saturday and fired at a group of PNP supporters who were standing by the road, killing four, Junor told journalists. Police identified one of those killed as Patrick Livingston, an executive member of the PNP group in the constituency. In a separate incident, attackers threw two homemade bombs at the Constant Spring police station in an often violent northern area of Kingston on Saturday, starting a fire in an administrative block and prompting police to boost security at other stations. ### Jamaica, one wicked island, mon! |
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.40 Cal State Researcher 
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Hawaii and Puerto Rico are also very similar in their views on gun control. PR is now a leader in the US in per capita gun related crimes. I spoke to my aunt the other day and told her how excited I was about my new .45, and her response was, "get rid of that thing. Don't you see how bad guns have been here in PR? It's getting worse here every day." I pointed out that the civilian population has not been allowed to have guns since the 70's, and that is why crime is so high. She wouldn't listen. This is the menatlity of people in PR, NY, CA, HI and all the anti gun countries and territories out there. |
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Grapeshot Founder's Club Member 
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.40 Cal wrote: Hawaii and Puerto Rico are also very similar in their views on gun control. PR is now a leader in the US in per capita gun related crimes. I spoke to my aunt the other day and told her how excited I was about my new .45, and her response was, "get rid of that thing. Don't you see how bad guns have been here in PR? It's getting worse here every day." I pointed out that the civilian population has not been allowed to have guns since the 70's, and that is why crime is so high. She wouldn't listen. This is the menatlity of people in PR, NY, CA, HI and all the anti gun countries and territories out there. If a lie is repeated often enough, it sounds like truth after a while. Blind and bind the people until they can neither see nor move! It will take more than laws, good intentions and warm and fuzzy thoughts to change the situations described here. Meanwhile, I will do what I can to protect myself and my brain from such assine ravings. Duct tape is a wonderful thing. Yata hey Attached Image (viewed 1357 times): Last edited on Sat Nov 17th, 2007 02:19 pm by Grapeshot |
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DefenseEngineer Regular Member
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The last I heard, there was a private citizen using his own funds to sue the state over their firearms registration process. For those of you who do not know, in order to purchase a hand gun in HI, the following must be done:
I did not hear the results of the law suit or if it ever made it into court. There is also discussion of another law suit pending. That law suit will be based on the ruling the Supreme Court of the DC gun ban. If the Supreme Court rules in favor of individual rights, subsequent lawsuits will be filed in Hawai'i. |
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Anubis Regular Member
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Note that the permit application must be made to the Honolulu Police Department on Oahu. So a resident living on Hawaii or another island must either fly or take the new hydrofoil/ferry, basically killing an entire day. I know a guy there whose pistols were confiscated when he moved to HI from CA and was unaware of the registration requirement before the brief registration period (for a new arrival already owning guns) lapsed. Last edited on Thu Dec 20th, 2007 11:14 pm by Anubis |
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DefenseEngineer Regular Member
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Anubis is 100% correct. I forgot about the fact that those on other islands must fly to O'ahu. So, it actually kills more than one day for the purchase of a new hand gun. Only one day to register one you brought into the islands yourself. |
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LEO 229 Regular Member 
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I would love to live in Hawaii but the gun laws suck!! I cannot bring my machine gun, SBRs or silencers...!! Not sure why not.... I guess there is no crime at all on the islands with these fantastic restrictions in place, huh? |
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DefenseEngineer Regular Member
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I can read the sarcasm.  Crime is out of control on the islands in large part do to corrupt police officers. The FBI here has repeatedly investigated and prosecuted local police. But they keep at it. Running security for illegal cock fights and similar. I need to modify my last statement though. It's not all of the islands that have to fly to O'ahu for firearm registration. Moloka'i and Lanai do because they fall under the jurisdiction of the HPD (Honolulu Police Department). The other islands have their own jurisdictions. My whole life on the mainland I was never the victim of a crime. In the 4.5 years I've lived in Hawaii (6 months of that in Afghanistan and another year in other locations), I have been the victim of crimes 3 times. Yet I am not allowed to defend myself or my property. That's why I'm leaving soon. I've had enough. The locals here just accept it as part of life. I don't. |
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LEO 229 Regular Member
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Damn!! What type of stuff did you encounter? My mother-in-law wants to move there... Wife used to live there as a child. Are you saying the HPD is corrupt? That sucks. |
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DefenseEngineer Regular Member
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LEO 229 wrote:Damn!! HPD is corrupt. So is the Kauai Police Department. Forget about it on the big island. If you're not personally related to a cop there, you're screwed. See the following stories if you don't believe me. http://starbulletin.com/2006/04/08/news/story02.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi47DhI2ntc Google it and you will find all of this is true throughout the entire state. Regarding what I encountered. My car was broken into at my home once. It was stolen once (I later recovered it myself, but it was missing all four wheels), and someone attempted to mug me in my friends neighborhood (he failed because I carry pepper spray in my car, but the cops wanted to charge me and not him simply because I'm white and he's filipino. They quickly left me alone when I started mentioning my lawyers and the filipino witnesses I had that would back me with the truth.). The racist attitudes of the various forms of local asians against white and black people is out of hand. To make it worse, it's "politically correct" here to be racist as long as it's directed towards a white or black person. I also cannot believe the attitudes I encounter with the locals. They truly believe this is paradise and they cannot see beyond the islands. If they ever travel, it is only to Las Vegas to go gambling. And they all go to the same two casino's because they get room discounts if they show their Hawaii Driver's licenses. In other words, they have no clue about the rest of the world. It's all about Hawaii and Vegas. To me, it got old fast. That's why I've spent 1.5 of my 4.5 years elsewhere. |
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Anubis Regular Member
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I can give a minor example demonstrating the aforementioned attitude of some kama aina (native born Hawaiians). My daughter in law has pale skin and red hair. She was eating in a pizza shop and a native girl saw a haole (pronounced howl-lee, means white) she didn't like on sight, and just walked over, stole the pizza off her plate, returned to her own seat and ate it. Of course the natives do have some historical justification for such an attitude. No rational person can deny that. Just as criminalizing concealed carry started in the South with Jim Crowe laws, I am convinced that the HI gun laws, particularly the prohibition of concealed-carry, stem from the haoles' desire to keep the kama aina unarmed. (I know, HI is a statutory "may issue" state; but prove to me than one non-LEO, non-security guard, or non-politically-connected private citizen has one.) Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 12:48 pm by Anubis |
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nauss Regular Member 
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The police/government does not care. They police are armed and can protect themselves. The government officials can get permits so they are protected. Why should they care? Human nature at its most obvious. |
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expvideo Regular Member 
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LEO 229 wrote: I would love to live in Hawaii but the gun laws suck!! Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii. I am considering moving to Maui. I used to go there every year and my fiancee grew up on Maui. Murders over there are incredibly rare and always a big deal when they happen. When they moved to the seattle area they were affraid to go outside because of all of the violence on the news. It's really a different place. Whenever I go to visit Maui, I spend the whole week unarmed but it doesn't really bother me. Out here in the seattle area, I feel unsafe when I'm unarmed, but in Maui I really don't. I really think that if I lived in Maui I probably wouldn't really want to carry a gun anyway, just because I'd really never need it. I think that they should have more lenient laws and that carry should be legal there. I want to have my right to carry a gun in any state. It really does bother me, and it makes me think twice about wanting to move there. But when I'm there I really don't think about it too much. It's a very relaxed and friendly place. There is an anti-US thing over there, since they think life was better before the white man (search white history + any other culture), but it isn't really a violent thing. |
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gridboy Regular Member
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I would disagree on there being so little crime in Hawai`i that carrying a gun is not really desirable. There are some murders, even on Maui. There are plenty of car breakins, house burglaries, assaults, etc. gridboy |
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swillden Regular Member 
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expvideo wrote: Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii. Not really. It's not bad, but it's far from crime-free. According to http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html, out of 52 regions (50 states, one district and one territory), Hawaii ranks
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Pointman Regular Member 
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I've bounced around Hawaii a few times, and my wife and I went to all the islands (except the private island) on our honeymoon. She has a friend who lives on Kauai, and he took us all over--great guy (even though he's a lawyer). On other islands we rented a rag-top Jeep or a motorcycle. (Do NOT rent a Harley V-max. The passenger pillion is horrible! It's like leather over cardboard on the fender.) We had a great time. Everything there was pretty darn sweet, other than the rampant poverty. Since both of us are pretty big people, we went into the back country on our own, even took the V-max on dirt-roads to the top of the summits, or as close as the dirt roads led. The views are just fantastic. However, the poverty is overwhelming. The poor people are not, NOT, wait, let me bold that--NOT nice. I don't blame them, really, for not being anything but cross when some freaking-tall mainlanders drive up near their pieced-together shack on a brand-new V-max. We had to keep moving at times to avoid trouble from thug-like locals, but all was not bad. Would we move there? We thought about it, but aside from the fact that it's very expensive, there's a lot of poverty. With poverty comes crime. With crime comes violence. And without being able to carry a firearm, there's really no decent way to protect yourself. (In Puerto Rico the $3 machete is standard fare, but I'd hate to face 3 locals by myself.) Hopefully DC vs. Heller works out for the beautiful state of Hawaii too. My wife really wants to go back, and over the past 15 years I've seen poverty there get a lot worse. I'm not sure I'd pack a firearm even if reciprocity allowed us to on our next trip, but I'd think about it. To all the wonderful residents there, we had a great trip, took a lot of pictures, and loved spending time visiting the islands. |
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OneMoa Regular Member
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I know it is really bad here I have just kinda gotten into target shooting as a hobbie and even for buying a AR-15 the law's are pretty insane I mean there are bad guy's out there that have gun's knife's and they make it hard for anyway to protect them selfs I myself don't get why you cannot have silencers or no more then 10 round clips for your pistol, I have not gotten one yet but I plan on getting a glock.. But at least you can have 30rnd mags for your AK and AR's from what I have heard but others say you cannot have them for your AR's. I don't know why, so much people down at the range have 30rnd mags for there AR's.. Im just playing it safe buy not having any. They where selling old GI 30 round mags at the gun show they had here a few months ago but the cost was crazy for used mags.. But I am pretty sure you can have them but don't take my word for it check it out for yourself as for me I use the 10 round mag that came with my AR, you can only have 5 round's in your mag at the range anyway but I must say I like it down there its alot of fun and there are pretty cool people that will help you out with anything you need to know.. but they way you have to buy a pistol is kinda weird but I will be doing it soon so I can own one I really wanna get down to the pistol side of the range and I found someone that can give me the test to allow me to buy a pistol, he is at the range every sunday he came up to check out my ACOG on my AR, he really wants one but then I told him how much they cost.. |
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gridboy Regular Member
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expvideo wrote: LEO 229 wrote:I would love to live in Hawaii but the gun laws suck!! When I visit Maui and Big Island, it doesn't feel like there are any "bad areas". To me, it doesn't feel like there is as much poverty as another poster has mentioned. I have heard that burglaries and car break-ins are high, due to druggies looking for money or stuff to sell. gridboy |
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OneMoa Regular Member
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Yeah the biggest thing here are burglaries my whole street go broken into cept my house in ewa beach I guess it was due to someone always being home.. |
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Hi all, |
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MachOne.45ACP Regular Member
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WhiteCloud wrote: Then as for the matter of carrying a handgun, whether concealed or openly, this seems to fall under totally different, more stringent rules? Yes, there is a seperate and MUCH more stringent rule set for handgun carry. Basically, if you are not a retired law enforcement officer (from Hawaii) you will not get a CCW. Here is a link to the application: http://hawaii.gov/ag/LEO/271181-1-applic-soh-firearm-certif.pdf |
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tracylaud83 Regular Member 
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Under HR-218 How can this form be legal ???? |
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MachOne.45ACP Regular Member
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Not being thoroughly familiar with HR-218, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on why you feel it is not a legal application with respect to HR-218. It seemed to me that it provides a means for retired police officers to carry a handgun concealed, providing they follow the laws of the state. The only hair splitting I came up with after a cursory look at HR-218 was that the Hawaii permit does not have provisions to allow ACTIVE DUTY LEO's to carry concealed. Not sure, but I think that is automatic and needs no permit/special permission. Any Hawaiian LEO's can shed light on this? |
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tracylaud83 Regular Member
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Well, first I will try to post and paste itmes, but to start: 1. HR 218 is Federal, When State and Federal differ, Federal trumps State. 2. LEOSA does not require CCW for active OR retired officers to CC. ** Under H.R. 218, qualified retired law enforcement officers may carry a concealed firearm if they meet the criteria of the Federal law. One of the requirements is that a retired officer demonstrate firearms proficiency in the type of firearm being carried. This proficiency must have occurred within 12 months of the time the retiree is in possession of the firearm. **** and yes 2 years K-Bay 1 year Pearl City 3 1/2 years Ewe Beach (Iriquois Point) Last edited on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 08:32 pm by tracylaud83 |
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MachOne.45ACP Regular Member
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Certainly, no offense intended here (I'm retired military myself): I don't think being a Military Police would qualify you to obtain a CCW here in Hawaii - I would guess it applies only to "real" police officers (civilian) based on the wording. |
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tracylaud83 Regular Member
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No offense taken, I only ment I lived there a few years. I wasn't MP, I was a Cook in the Marine Corps. I am current FLEO since "95, but HR-218 wasn't in effect when I was there. I just question how the State can regulate a Federal law, My LEOSA ID should be enough for me to carry (If I ever go back) |
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Glock Fan Regular Member 
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swillden wrote: expvideo wrote:Asside from theft there is very little crime in Hawaii. +1 on these stats, but keep in mnd that there is A LOT of crimes that go unreported. Many tourists from especially the Asian countries don't report crime mostly because of their culture. Many are ashamed that they became a victim of crime or they're "too proud". Other times tourists don't report crimes because they don't want to come back and testify in court. Hawaii would be a much nicer place if we were allowed to exercise our 2A rights. gf |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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Well at least that explains Obama's support of 2A. He was reared in HI.  |
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japaneezy Regular Member
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DefenseEngineer wrote:I can read the sarcasm. Actually, Lanai and Moloka'i fall under the jurisdiction of Maui County. As for CCW permits, my girlfriend's friend was issued one by the Kauai county police chief a number of years ago because he feared he would get robbed whilst collecting the money from vending machines he serviced. No doubt his permit has long since expired. I am sending a letter to the Honolulu Police Department's Chief today, requesting he entertain my intent to apply for a CCW permit and/or Open carry. I am a photographer by trade and it is not uncommon for me to haul around thousands of dollars worth of gear in shady and remote areas with plenty of crackheads to spare. We'll see how it goes. Otherwise, they can talk to my lawyer... |
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Pointman Regular Member
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I've never seen the word "justification" in any bill of rights. Since when does a "right" require you "justify" a "need?" |
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Freeflight Activist Member 
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I must travel to Honolulu (Again) for Work...as always I will bring my firearm and 6 rounds. As I read the "Laws" I will not have to register my firearm if a resident of the state where to invite me to come a shoot on their property. Is there anyone who is willing to do this for me? If it helps I work for the Fed and have a Concealed Handgun Permit Issued by the Courts in Virginia. Freeflight. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member 
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Hard to find anybody on Oahu...a crowded Island. If you were going to The big island you could find somebody like that. There are a lot of unincorporated areas out there, we had built a gun range in a lava tube on my uncle's property out there. That was fun. He had to move though and I don't think he has a place on his new property. |
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Bustelo5% Regular Member
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What states does Hawaii have reseprocity with for CCW permits? I used to live in Kahlihi on the main street by the convience mart there.I pretty much became an informant cuz when I would get back from working at ft shafter id smoke in my car and just watch for which guys were the meth dealers and call it in All that said I love Kahlihi its really nice living in the valley but idk about this whole registration thing. So you have three days to register your gun,what if your there on a stand by flight will they arrest you in the airport? Like Chitown or NY |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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http://www.saf.org/reciprocity.html Sadly from this list Hawaii doesn't recognize anyone elses concealed permits. I could be wrong though, this was just a quick search. |
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Bustelo5% Regular Member
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Im gonna keep looking for lists because that list seems out of date because Ohio respects others CCW permits. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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We can only hope. |
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SlackwareRobert Regular Member
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Bustelo5% wrote: So you have three days to register your gun,what if your there on a stand by flight will they arrest you in the airport? Like Chitown or NY Well as long as you stay on the other side of the metal detectors, you aren't in the lovely state of denial. You are safely in the arms of the feds. Now if they want to get you they only have to move your luggage back out into the state. But you can always use extradition to delay them. Guess the pres would have to extradite from federal property to state. And since we all know from all the examples, BHO always sides with the crooks against law & order, so you are safe till 2012. If we all buy one of those under sea plots of land, can we then vote those crooks out? It's only $50 and if they all get tossed on there backsides, the land value should go way up.  |
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MarlboroLts5150 Regular Member 
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sudden valley gunner wrote: http://www.saf.org/reciprocity.html You're not wrong. Hawaii doesn't accept any other state permits. |
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Bustelo5% Regular Member
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So what if your going to be in the state for say a month or something,is there a temporary permit you can file for or something. I just dosent make sense why they wouldn't recognize at least one states permits. Well as I found out when I lived in Kahlihi its easyier to let the drug dealers and thugs run free instead of letting the citizens be armed to let them defend their own sh@# |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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Its a "may" issue state, and the chief don't issue 'em out. That's something that has got to change. |
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