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just_a_car Regular Member 
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As has been suggested, I'm going to start our own WA "DO NOT PATRONIZE" Database and will keep it current. You post businesses (Name of business and location, be specific, as there may be more of that business in any one city/area) that you have seen with a "No Guns" sign on the front of the building or have shown you the written policy of no weapons allowed in the store. Having a manager tell you that they have this policy will put them on a "watch", but if they do verbally tell you, ask to see the written policy; once you see it in writing, they're on the BIG list. You can either send me a PM with the info on the business or (preferedly) post a reply here. I will be listing/editing this list on an individual location basis, unless it is stated that the policy shown to the customer was a "corporate-wide" policy, as I don't want to alienate gun-friendly stores, just because they have the same name as another anti-gun store; some places are not franchised and make their own rules. I will also add a Pro-Gun business list so we can take our money to those businesses that have specifically said it's okay or promote our carry. This does not mean "Hey, I went here and had no issues," it means that someone that works there (preferably a manager or supervisor) actually noticed the gun and said something positive about it. I figure I should keep this list as well, since as the saying goes "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem", so I'm going to make sure we have other places to frequent that offer the services the anti-gun businesses offer so we can take our money there. As these lists will continuously change, the information will only be as good as is given to me, including whether the store is still anti-gun or has changed their policy. Also, the information will only be as current as the last edit (obviously), which will be found at the bottom of the original post. I am online almost Every Day, so if there are changes to be done, I will likely have them made within 24-48 hours. DO NOT PATRONIZE: Jared Galleria of Jewlery (2501 South 38th Street, #C100) - Tacoma Pacific Place of Seattle (6th Avenue & Pine Street) - Seattle Tacoma Mall (4502 S Steele St., Ste. 1177) - Tacoma Costco (corporate-wide policy, due to this thread) Southcenter Mall {Westfield-owned Mall} (633 Southcenter Mall) - Tukwila (due to this thread) Graybar Electric - Nation-wide (See below, Also confirmed via phone by me) Half Price Books (15600 N. E. Eighth St., Suite F-2) - Bellevue (due to this thread) Bob Bridge Toyota (150 SW 7th St.) - Renton (due to this thread) Flaming Joes (11618 E. Sprague Ave.) - Spokane Valley (Page 4 of this thread) B & I Public Market Place (8012 South Tacoma Way) - Tacoma (Page 5 of this thread) Tri-State (1104 W Pullman Rd) - Moscow, ID (due to this thread on April 28, 2008) IKEA (601 SW 41st St.) - Renton (due to this thread and this thread) Old Country Buffet (corporate-wide policy, Page 7 of this thread) Capital Mall {Westfield-owned Mall} (625 Black Lake Blvd.) - Olympia (due to this thread) Olive Garden (Corporate-wide policy, due to this thread) Kitsap Mall (10315 Silverdale Way NW) - Silverdale (Macerich Corporate-wide policy, due to this thread) Redmond Town Center (16495 NE 74th St) - Redmond (Macerich Corporate-wide policy, due to this thread) Cascade Mall (201 Cascade Mall Drive) - Burlington (Macerich Corporate-wide policy, due to this thread) Northtown Mall (4750 North Division) - Spokane (due to this thread) Haggen (1815 Main St) - Ferndale (Page 15 of this thread) Sharp Shooting (N. 1200 Freya) - Spokane (Pages 5 & 6 of this thread, this thread, & this thread) Bellis Fair Mall (One Bellis Fair Parkway) - Bellingham (Page 23 of this thread) Charter Communications (145 Easy St) - Wenatchee (Page 26 of this thread) Watch List (Asked to not carry, but no official written policy/signage presented): Skipper's - Mount Vernon (due to this thread) Best Buy (457 120th Ave NE) - Bellevue (due to this thread) Value Village (1124 River Rd) - Puyallup (due to this thread) Hooters (16208 E. Indiana Ave) - Spokane (page 3 of this thread and this thread) Alderwood 16 (18733 33rd Avenue West) - Lynnwood (Page 7 of this thread) Lowe's (2002 132nd Street S.E.) - Mill Creek (due to this thread) Lowe's (3100 196th S.W.) - Lynnwood (due to Page 2 of this thread) Ranier Pac Bank (4949 Borgen Blvd NW Suite 101) - Gig Harbor (Page 11 of this thread on Aug 28) Secoma Lanes (34500 Pacific Hwy S) - Federal Way (due to this thread) Safeway (520 Cleveland Ave. SE) - Olympia (due to this thread) PRO-GUN BUSINESSES: Subway (6509 132nd Ave NE) - Kirkland (due to this thread) Schucks (7201 W Clearwater Ave) - Kennewick (due to this thread) Double Eagle (607 S Oakes St) - Tacoma (due to this thread) Edge of the Circle Books (701 E. Pike st) - Seattle (see comment below) Claim Jumpers (5901 S 180th St) - Tukwila (Great OCDO 8/19/07 lunch experience) Sam's Gun Shop & Range (11714 Airport Road {aka 128 St}) - Everett (due to this thread) JavaFlow Coffee (207 Washington St NE) - Olympia (due to this thread) Mail Masters (8103 Steilacoom Blvd SW) - Lakewood (page 4 below, owned by an OCDO member) Sonic Drive-In (1313 N Ruby St) - Spokane (due to this thread) Hardware Sales (2034 James St.) - Bellingham (due to this thread) Denny's Restaurant (301 E Wallace Kneeland Blvd Ste 105) - Shelton (Page 5 of this thread) Walmart (310 31st Ave SE) - Puyallup (Page 5 of this thread) Shari's (15252 Aurora Avenue, N.) - Shoreline (Personally cleared it with the General Manager) Shari's (12207 NE 116th) - Kirkland (Personally cleared it with the Night Manager, Mike - He used to work at Shoreline and was the guy I went through to get it cleared there) Beth's Cafe (7311 Aurora Ave N.)- Seattle (Due to this thread) Quizno's (255 E Main St) - Pullman (Page 6 of this thread and this thread on April 27, 2008) Sure Shot (1016 W Pullman Rd) - Moscow, ID (Page 6 of this thread on April 28, 2008) DelBrocco's Pizza, Steak & Hoagie (3908 6th Ave) - Tacoma (Page 7 of this thread) Sportsman's Warehouse (Corporate-wide Policy to be "in-line" with state law) - (Due to this thread, this thread and this thread) Wally's Diner (2106 Harrison Ave) - Olympia (due to this thread) Denny's Restaurant (1616 Black Lake Blvd SW) - Olympia (due to this thread) 24 Hour Fitness (529 Parkplace Ctr) - Kirkland (due to this thread) Lowe's (Corporate-wide Policy to be "in-line" with state law) - (Page 11 of this thread and this policy) {NOTE: The above two Lowe's on the Watch list will stay there until I've heard that the managers have been told they were in the wrong} Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse (34902 Pacific Hwy S) - Federal Way (Page 11 of this thread) Tacoma Dodge (4101 S Tacoma Way) - Tacoma (due to this thread) Granite Falls Hardware (108 S Granite Ave) - Granite Falls (due to this thread) Cascade Arms {formerly Larry's Guns} (3959 Martin Way East) - Olympia (due to this thread and this thread) Kesselring Gun Shop (4024 Old Highway 99 North Rd) - Burlington (bottom of Page 23 of this thread) Dino's Greek & Italian Cuisine (17642 1st Ave S) - Burien (due to this thread) Safeway (21401 Pacific Hwy S) - Des Moines (due to this thread) Starbucks (21401 Pacific Hwy S) - Des Moines (due to this thread) Savage Color (3614 2nd Ave NW) - Seattle (Printed up pamphlets, owner PM'd me) Barnes & Noble (Corporate-wide policy) - (due to letter in this thread on April 3rd) Home Depot (Corporate-wide policy) - (due to this policy) Toys 'R' Us (Corporate-wide policy) - (due to this policy) The above lists are only as current as the last edit, found below: Last edited on Mon Sep 21st, 2009 02:30 am by just_a_car |
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lockman State Researcher 
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I would suggest a letter to businesses that post and make your case for legal carry and see if you get a reasoned response. At least that would give them an opportunity to rethink why they took such an uninformed decision. The impact will be much greater as the OC numbers grow. I would hope it will not take a mall massacre to see ones error. |
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Mainsail Regular Member 
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I was not allowed to enter Jared Jewelery in Tacoma. The armed guard pointed to the huge sign they have posted (that I missed) by the door. They don't want customers. |
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44Brent Regular Member
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http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/component/option,com_mtree/task,listcats/cat_id,47/Itemid,44/ |
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lockman State Researcher
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If you were intent on robbing the place, you would have to conceal before entering. I wonder what the guard would say after you were in and presented your contraband. I am sure he would point to the sign and request you leave! Welome to the "logic free zone" Mainsail wrote: I was not allowed to enter Jared Jewelery in Tacoma. The armed guard pointed to the huge sign they have posted (that I missed) by the door. |
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swift Regular Member 
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Thanks for sharing that URL. It threw me off for a second because I almost thought it was washingtonceasefire.org & it contradicted everything those gun grabbers believe in. That was a great idea for them to use the same url with .net - hopefully it will allow for the education of some folks who would otherwise be lured in by their anti-gun tactics if they accidently type .net instead of .org. Has some great video clips on there too - I love the gun-free zone spoof.  44Brent wrote: http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/component/option,com_mtree/task,listcats/cat_id,47/Itemid,44/ |
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George Washington Regular Member
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One or more people were kind enough to submit information to the resource directory at WashingtonCeasefire.NET A little background on the domain name: I had originally used WashingtonCeasefire.COM as the domain name, but lost the domain name in a dispute. Washington Ceasefire paid at least $1,300 (arbitration filing fee), and possible up to $5,000 for hiring a lawyer. I plan to continue using domain names that will encourage the organization to blow away huge amounts of money in domain name disputes. To those of you who submitted names of organizations for the resource directory, "thank you". Please keep on submitting more information for the resource directory! |
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swift Regular Member
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George Washington wrote: One or more people were kind enough to submit information to the resource directory at WashingtonCeasefire.NET Glad to help out. You have a great site - keep up the great work! I think it's rather sad that they won that dispute - why do we have .com & .org if they are not supposed to be different. If you snooze, you should loose. Also, their org should be re-named to "banallguns.org rather than ceasefire.org as it is better fitting of their goal. Last edited on Fri Jul 20th, 2007 07:03 am by swift |
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lockman State Researcher
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If you lost it in a dispute, should the address be registered to somebody? |
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G27 Regular Member 
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Costco, anyone? |
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kparker Regular Member
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Sorry, folks, the use of a similar-sounding domain name is not nearly as straightforward as George (or any of the rest of you) make out. I actually think G. had a pretty good case considering that that other organization had neither incorporated under the name Cease Fire Washington, nor registered it as a trade name. Alas (and perhaps unfairly) the decision went the other way. As a general rule, however, ICANN's rules are pretty closely based on physical-world precendents and at least in concept should be pretty fair and understandable to anyone coming from a common-law background. It's especially worth noting that, regardless of whether the case was ruled fairly nor not, George is quite welcome to register domain names along the lines of CeaseFireWashingtonSucks.com, i.e. that make it exlicit he's criticizing that organization. I should also add that, though I wouldn't advise having a plan to cost an opponent a lot of money via domain-name disputes, if I did I certainly wouldn't go talking about it in a public forum. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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G27 wrote: Costco, anyone? I was writing it in when you wrote this, I guess.  |
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Gray Peterson State Researcher 
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Edge of a Circle Books in Seattle had no issue with my open carry. In fact, he agreed with it. http://www.edgeofthecircle.com/ I do recommend that only people who are of positive interest in Paganism and the Occult go there in general, and especially open carrying. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: Edge of a Circle Books in Seattle had no issue with my open carry. In fact, he agreed with it. Added, thanks Lonnie. By they way, those that see me add a store to either list, please let them know they are on the list here, for good or bad. We want them to know that their approval or disapproval of firearms is affecting their income! Last edited on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 05:57 am by just_a_car |
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phone guy Regular Member 
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Graybar electric all stores nation wide. That is why I will never go into there no gun zone. By putting up those signs they have no idea how they will lose business. |
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cut_cutta Regular Member
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Do not patrnoize Skipper's Chowder and Fish house. Not sure if it's a corporate policy, but they asked me to leave the restaurant because I was OCing. On top of their gun policy, the place is nasty and over priced. Ivars is far better, but not sure on their gun policy either! |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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phone guy wrote: Graybar electric all stores nation wide. That is why I will never go into there no gun zone. By putting up those signs they have no idea how they will lose business. Do they all have the "No Guns" signs? Including the 4 or 5 stores listed on their website in WA state? |
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phone guy Regular Member
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The Seattle, Tacoma, there warehouse in Kent and Everett. They basically made a very dangerous work place for many of there employees. I have known a lot of them for many years. They have no idea what those signs mean to them. I know the Everett store is in a bad area. Transient men's shelter around the corner. Id like to get a lot of electricians to boycott this company. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I will give the Everett store a call tomorrow to be 100% sure they still have the sign up. For now, they're on the watch list. |
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phone guy Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: I will give the Everett store a call tomorrow to be 100% sure they still have the sign up. For now, they're on the watch list.you don't need to the sign is there. I go by there almost every day. I talked to the head man at the main Seattle store and I explain the nonsense of the signs. He said he will call the main office in the mid west. I then called back a few days later and the corp. main office says the signs stay. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Graybar Electric is now on the Do Not Patronize list. I called the Everett store today around noon and spoke with a gentleman, asking him if they had a no weapons sign at their entrance, because I was wondering if bringing in my work knife would be a problem, he said that yes they did, but they don't go and search anyone and made reference to "well, I guess that depends on if you consider it a weapon. *chuckle*". He was very cordial and friendly, as was I, but they do indeed have a No Weapons sign at their entrance. Never once did I use the word "gun" or "firearm". There really was no need to and I got a much more pleasant conversation with the gentleman... and yet, still got the answer I was looking for; not that he had any idea of the fact.  |
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phone guy Regular Member
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It's funny you said work knife. They have an oil stone at the front counter so the electrician's can sharpen there work knife. The stone is put there as a courtesy. I have used it on a few occasions. I am happy you did not bring up the subject of fire arms. That will creep people out. Last edited on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 04:38 am by phone guy |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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What do people think about having this thread sticky'd at the top of the Washington forum? I had to go to the second page to find it so that I could update the list with Gregma's Bellevue Best Buy report. |
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gregma Regular Member 
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just_a_car wrote: What do people think about having this thread sticky'd at the top of the Washington forum? I had to go to the second page to find it so that I could update the list with Gregma's Bellevue Best Buy report. I think that's a GREAT idea! Another one would be to put up a dedicated web site. I have the web server all ready setup. I can easily put up a site for us. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Just added Claim Jumpers in Tukwila. We had a great lunch there and the manager was very friendly. The food is indeed pricey, but you get portions that match the prices... you should have heard metricinch talking about his food-baby triplets that he was going to have. *chuckle* ...I may have to make that audio available for those that weren't there. *evil grin* There's no way they could ban firearms from that place, they have a single-shot shotgun hanging on the wall in the area we were seated!!! Talk about pro-gun! |
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jenzenk Regular Member 
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When I lived on Whidbey Island (1997-2004) the Rockfish Bar and Grill in Anacortes was posted no guns. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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jenzenk wrote: When I lived on Whidbey Island (1997-2004) the Rockfish Bar and Grill in Anacortes was posted no guns. Anyone able to confirm this is still the case?... |
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Gray Peterson State Researcher
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Bar and Grill? I know that the Redondo Bar and Grill is posted, but the entire thing is 21 and over due to the food/alcohol sales ratio. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Lonnie Wilson wrote: Bar and Grill? Ah, if it's a "Washington Liquor Control Board-posted: NO MINORS", then it's a moot point. |
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gregma Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Just added Claim Jumpers in Tukwila. We had a great lunch there and the manager was very friendly. Hopefully you didn't add it to the "Washington Businesses that Ban Guns" which this thread is all about Do you think it would be appropriate to write a letter to the manager thanking him for his hospitality? |
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metricinch Regular Member 
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gregma, I was planning on doing just that. I was pretty happy with the service and the attitude. Even the assistant general manager was cool about it; he just wasn't sure and so bowed to his district manager, who apparently set him straight. all in all a good experience in my book. -Kevin |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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gregma wrote: just_a_car wrote:Just added Claim Jumpers in Tukwila. We had a great lunch there and the manager was very friendly. Added it to the Pro-Gun Business list. Indeed I would think a letter would be more than appropriate. |
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larz Regular Member
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The food and service were very good in my opinion there. Hopefully next time I'll actually talk more, I said that last time too Oh yea Metricinch, o-r-g lol. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Man, when I started this list, a Gun Shop was the last business I expected to be placed on this list... Jeez. By the way, Drewesque, you may want to send ol' Larry a letter of your displeasure and include the URL to this list to show him that he's not only lost one regular customer, but anyone of this forum that decides to go down that way. |
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Drewesque Regular Member 
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I will send him a letter pointing him to the list, but I doubt it will sway him at all. I'm actually fairly certain that he owns a gun shop just to own it, rather than for the financial benefit. He likes to be the guy in charge there. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Drew, if he does come around, please let us/me know so that he can be removed from the list. It certainly doesn't please me to have a gun shop on the list, but until such time as he's a little more tolerant of those that are legally carrying a firearm, he'll be on the list. |
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Drewesque Regular Member
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I will definitely let you know if he comes around. I'd love to see a gun shop-free do not patronize list. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Half Price Books in Crossroads, Bellevue has been added. I'm not sure if it's corporate-wide, but I intend on taking a look at my local one in Lynnwood. |
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norahc Regular Member
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FYI, the Moses Lake Convention Center is posted with a "Gun Buster" sign and reference to 9.41.270 located about knee height behind a bush. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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norahc wrote: FYI, the Moses Lake Convention Center is posted with a "Gun Buster" sign and reference to 9.41.270 located about knee height behind a bush. This is almost a given, due to the allowance of 9.41.300 for cities, towns and municipalities to enact laws to restrict firearms in stadiums and convention centers with the exception that those with a valid CPL under 9.41.070 are exempt from any such laws. |
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kbarrans Regular Member
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Add Lighthouse Coffee Roasters to the list. My girlfriend has worked there for about a year. I have been there almost every day for a year with no problems. Several of the employees are close friends of mine and all of the employees, including the manager, know I carry a gun. I do usually conceal, though. This morning after I left the owner of the business asked my girlfriend if I carry a gun. She told him I do and that she thought he already knew that (everyone else there does.) At that point he began yelling at her how I'm never allowed back in the store and that he doesn't trust me because I have a gun. He also told her she can't bring her pocket knife to work any more. This is all coming from a guy that just got thrown out of a bar for pulling a knife on someone. Needless to say. The owner of Lightouse Coffee is not gun friendly and possibly out of his mind. Though, the employees there are very friendly and have never had any issues with me carrying. Also, my girlfriend quit her job there shortly after this incident. |
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Agent 47 Regular Member 
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Where exactly is lighthouse coffee, I'm feeling thirsty. |
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kbarrans Regular Member
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Lightouse is in Seattle on 43rd and Phinney in the Freemont neighborhood. Lighthouse Coffee Rosters 400 North 43rd Street Seattle, Wa 98103 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Agent 47 wrote: Where exactly is lighthouse coffee, I'm feeling thirsty. Hey A47, wanna meet up for coffee sometime this week?... Perhaps Tuesday? *grin* |
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How about Monday morning? I have a doctors appointment at Harborview at 8:00am and will probably be done about 9:30. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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BluesBear wrote: How about Monday morning? I have a doctors appointment at Harborview at 8:00am and will probably be done about 9:30. I might be able to do Monday morning, but my first class ends at 8:30am at the UW and then my next class starts at 11:30am. Add in the 15 minutes to and from my car (I walk half the campus to class) and the 15 minutes to and from the coffee place will leave around 2 hours available. So, if we stick around at the coffee place for an hour or so, I won't have to worry about being late for class and that's more than long enough to be noticed and/or kicked-out. *chuckle* |
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Agent 47 Regular Member
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Unfortunately I have to be at work by 8:30 on Mondays. I was wondering, though, what happens on lunches and coffee trips when we get accused of organizing together armed. I seem to remember reading something about that being what the cops are trying to "get" OC'ers on. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Agent 47 wrote: Unfortunately I have to be at work by 8:30 on Mondays. They can try, but that law specifically exempts 'militia' and we, under both Federal Code and RCW, are considered the "unorganized militia"... kinda funny, though that it exempts us from being charged with organizing while being unorganized. *chuckle* IANAL. |
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BluesBear Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: I might be able to do Monday morning, PM sent with my cell phone number. Tentative plan to meet for coffee around 9:30 or ten? I'll check my e'mail about 6am right before I leave so if anyone else wants to meet I'll PM with my #. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Well, BluesBear, his friend Karen, and I met up for coffee on Monday morning and spent a good hour and a half there drinking coffee and talking guns, FFL's and such. I was OC'ing my GLOCK 27 in a Blackhawk carbon-fiber Serpa CQC holster and Bear was OC'ing a chromed wheelgun in a light-tan leather holster (very classy). Not once did I notice any odd looks or receive any comments what-so-ever. There were no signs posted, either. Overall, I'd never go back there for coffee, since it was too hot (due to the roaster, I would imagine), too loud (due to the roaster, talking and slightly too-loud music), and coffee selection was abyssmal. They had only a few flavored syrups and not a single sugar-free syrup, so I had to get just a normal latte and add some Splenda®, which they had more than enough of. So, eventhough there were no OC/gun issues with the place, I'd still not recommend it. There are so many better coffee shops around Seattle. Though, it was great to meet up with Bear and the conversation was exceptional. Last edited on Tue Oct 16th, 2007 11:08 pm by just_a_car |
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Rook Regular Member
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Good Day, I wanted to let everyone know that I noticed a couple new signs this afternoon while going in to make a payment on a loan. It appears that American General Finance companies have turned to posting 'No Firearms' signs on the outside windows of their establishment. Please see this google map for exact location where these were posted. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=american+general+finance,+tacoma&ie=UTF8&z=9&iwloc=A&om=1 I did ask a representative about the sign and they told me that the signs were at all of their locations and it has been adapted as company policy. So another for the book guys, I will not go into pay my loan any further even though the receptionist is HOTT, I will pay by mail because I dont think it is a necessary stance. |
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G20-IWB24/7 Regular Member
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Rook wrote: Good Day, I would find a competitor of theirs and see if they will match (or beat) the terms of your current loan and transfer your balance over to another company. After you have successfully done so, send a letter to corporate w/your former account number and the reason why you have decided to NOT allow them the benefit of your interest payment each month. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Flaming Joes hot wings joint in Spokane. But there is usually LEO or firemen in there 9 out of 10 times I go in. And damn the wings are sooooooo good. Way better than Hooters. |
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Machoduck Regular Member 
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Bump. MD |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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surfj9009 wrote:Flaming Joes hot wings joint in Spokane. But there is usually LEO or firemen in there 9 out of 10 times I go in. And damn the wings are sooooooo good. Way better than Hooters.as I recently discovered, hooters in Spokane is a no go as well |
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CC27 Regular Member 
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Do I dare mention WAC? |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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surfj9009 wrote: surfj9009 wrote: Sorry, surfj, maybe I missed the thread... was there an encounter where you were asked to leave as per the "standards" I laid down in the original post? If so, I'll be happy to add them to the list. |
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lilothedog Regular Member 
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If a business does not allow OC, do they legally have to post a sign stating "firearms prohibited"? And/or a company policy? What I'm getting at is, if no sign is posted and there is no company policy to prohibit the OC, and I'm asked to leave the store, what can I do or say? Obviously I would let them know that OC is completely legal. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote:surfj9009 wrote:actually they belong on the watch list, as I am yet to so the official written policy. Was treated rather rudely but did not fuss, I just left. Will follow up though when I get home. The details of the incident are in the "OC in Spokane " thread. I can't provide a link because I am on my iPhone. Sorry. You should read it though. It was my first full day of OC.surfj9009 wrote: |
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joeroket Regular Member
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lilothedog wrote: If a business does not allow OC, do they legally have to post a sign stating "firearms prohibited"? And/or a company policy? What I'm getting at is, if no sign is posted and there is no company policy to prohibit the OC, and I'm asked to leave the store, what can I do or say? Obviously I would let them know that OC is completely legal. Posted or not if you are asked to leave then you must comply or face being charged with tresspassing. |
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surfj, I just looked at your thread and you say 'Hooters by the mall in Spokane'... did you mean the one by Northtown Mall or the Spokane Valley Mall? I don't add businesses without the specific address so we don't avoid respectable businesses by mere association. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote:surfj, I just looked at your thread and you say 'Hooters by the mall in Spokane'... did you mean the one by Northtown Mall or the Spokane Valley Mall? I don't add businesses without the specific address so we don't avoid respectable businesses by mere association.sorry about that. There is only one in Spokane, and it is by the valley mall. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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surfj9009 wrote: just_a_car wrote: Okay, sorry about that, Google seems to think there's two, but I realized it put it in the middle of Spokane because they only had the city but no address and it had the same phone number as the one in Spokane Valley. Weird. It will now go on the Watch List. See? I really do try to keep this thing updated... it's just easier when I'm not in classes (spring break). |
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Its really to bad we can't get someone to sticky this thread. |
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Machoduck Regular Member
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"Bump." The poor man's sticky. MD |
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Machoduck Regular Member
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Bump again. MD |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member 
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The first post in this thread needs to updated with all current info so a reader doesn't have read 4 pages to get all the current info. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: The first post in this thread needs to updated with all current info so a reader doesn't have read 4 pages to get all the current info. As far as I'm aware, it is. When I get a chance after I get home around 3-5am tonight, I'll run through and see if I missed anything. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Okay, I just ran through all the posts *glares at Bear* and only found two that may need adding. One was American General Financial which I'll try to call tomorrow about their signage. The other was Flaming Joe's. Though, I couldn't find anything on that (the search function seems to be sucking a lot recently on the boards). Can you tell me whether they qualify for the DNP list or the Watch List surfj?... |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote:Okay, I just ran through all the posts *glares at Bear* and only found two that may need adding. One was American General Financial which I'll try to call tomorrow about their signage.flaming joes on the DNP list for sure. Its clearly posted on their door, but they cite the Rcw that refers to 21 and over areas, which they do not fall under. I did speak with the owner though and she confirmed, she has a no firearms policy, for everybody except for LEO's. Its too bad too, because they have the best wings in Spokane hands down. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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surfj9009 wrote: flaming joes on the DNP list for sure. Its clearly posted on their door, but they cite the Rcw that refers to 21 and over areas, which they do not fall under. I did speak with the owner though and she confirmed, she has a no firearms policy, for everybody except for LEO's. Its too bad too, because they have the best wings in Spokane hands down. Added. See Bear?... I do try to keep it as updated as possible. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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red robin should be added also. I know there is much debate about them, but I have personally seen their written policy banning open or concealed firearms by employees and guests. I can get a copy of it from my gf, scan it, and post it here if nobody believes it. I know people eat there and don't have issues at certain ones, but they also should be on the DNP list, per the requirements for such listing. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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surfj9009 wrote: red robin should be added also. I know there is much debate about them, but I have personally seen their written policy banning open or concealed firearms by employees and guests. I can get a copy of it from my gf, scan it, and post it here if nobody believes it. I know people eat there and don't have issues at certain ones, but they also should be on the DNP list, per the requirements for such listing. I believe you, but due to so many people having non-incidents at multiple stores, I'd like to have an email sent to 'corporate' to see if maybe it's at the discretion of the managers or if the managers are just ignoring the policy. If it's at their discretion, yet the policy is generally no firearms, then I think we go store-by-store (yes, I realize this is somewhat against what I put in the first post, yet I hadn't anticipated a corporate policy that wasn't enforced by its managers on a fairly large scale). |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: surfj9009 wrote:flaming joes on the DNP list for sure. Its clearly posted on their door, but they cite the Rcw that refers to 21 and over areas, which they do not fall under. I did speak with the owner though and she confirmed, she has a no firearms policy, for everybody except for LEO's. Its too bad too, because they have the best wings in Spokane hands down. Damn all I did was ask because it appeared to be incomplete. Next time you can just  me.  Last edited on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 07:35 pm by Bear 45/70 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Damn all I did was ask because it appeared to be incomplete. Next time you can just Nah... but I wouldn't mind shooting with you. As long as we talk guns and not politics (or who's got the most experience in what) then I think we could get along just fine. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:Damn all I did was ask because it appeared to be incomplete. Next time you can just That would be great, except I rarely get that far north on that side of the Sound anymore. The VA Hospital just near Spokane Street is about as far north as I get. I do however shoot several times a month over here. Regardless of rumors to the contrary I do not have radical views, just attitudes.  Last edited on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 04:07 pm by Bear 45/70 |
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Bobarino Regular Member
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Mail Masters in Lakewood is pro open carry, concealed carry, whatever kind of carry you want as long as its legal! how do i know? i own the joint! stop in and say hi any time or if you need to ship/mail/fax/copy anything, lemme know. you'll get the OCDO discount! Bobby |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bobby, thanks for the heads-up. You're on the Pro-Gun List. Looks like you have some good reviews for the place, too: http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3723386881 And good on ya for supporting Project Linus: http://www.projectlinus-sps.org/Pages/News.html I rarely get down that far South (unless for an OCDO meet) as I live in Edmonds, 15 minutes North of Seattle, but if I'm down there, I'll certainly try to stop in and say hello. |
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Bobarino Regular Member
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JAC, thanks for the links. i didn't even know those were there. Lynn from Project Linus rents a box from me and i print her quarterly flyers for her. shes a very sweet lady. hope you get a chance to swing on in some day. i don't OC at work since most of my clientel are middle age-ish women that don't seem to keen on the idea of firearms around, but i CC every day. its Lakewood after all. thanks for adding me to the list! Bobby |
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I decided to check out the Sharp Shooting indoor range & gun shop at 1200 North Freya, here in Spokane. When I got to the building there is a big red stop sign at the door that reads "All Weapons Must Be Cased." I talked to the guy at the counter and I quote "as long as it can't be seen either on your person or in a case, you're welcome to bring it in. No Open Carry Allowed." Their policy doesn't allow you to handle the guns in the display case either. Guns can only be handled on the range. Nice range but the prices were a bit high for range time, weapons, accessories and gear. http://www.sharpshooting.net/index.asp Last edited on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 10:22 pm by M1Gunr |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: I decided to check out the Sharp Shooting indoor range & gun shop at 1200 North Freya, here in Spokane. When I got to the building there is a big red stop sign at the door that reads "All Weapons Must Be Cased." DAMMIT!!! Not another gun shop! *sigh* I know it's hopeful of me, but maybe it was just a grunt employee interpreting the rules?... I'll call and ask to speak to a manager to clarify if they really mean to ostracize clientel. I really don't want a gun shop on our DNP list, much less TWO. Edit: and on a happier note "1000th Post!" Last edited on Sat Apr 12th, 2008 10:58 pm by just_a_car |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Sharp shooting is definitely against it. I have spoken with them before too about it. They have flat out refused to host the WGR pamphlet also. They will sell you range time and a gun all day long, but they are all about the money, and not the principals involved. They are ok with CC, and they OC while working, but will not respect our right to OC. Jerks. And to think that they wondered why I drive to Post Falls to shoot at Center Target Sports instead. Huh. Go figure. Sadly, the Spokane Rifle Club has a policy that "actions must be open at all times when not on the firing line". Open carry is not allowed there either, but they are the only shooting place in town that is very very pro-gun so I will respect the policy. It's a good old boys club with a ton of old timers. It's been there for like a hundred years or something like that. If anybody ever comes to Spokane to do some shooting when the weather is nice, I highly recommend going there. It's all outdoors. Beautiful range right along the river inside Riverside State Park. Last edited on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 09:25 am by surfj9009 |
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I am really good friends with one of the employees at Sharp Shooting, we have gone to school together since pre-school, I will try and talk him into convincing the owner to put up the WGR's. Their sign on the front says that all weapons do need to be in a case but the policy is not strictly enforced. I have CC every time I have gone in and even pulled it out, unloaded it and let some of the staff play with it (Kel-Tec PF-9) without any complications. Obviously I told them before I did so and droped the mag prior to unholstering it, but they are much more comfortable with it then the policy dictates. I would hesitate putting it on the list, but because of the sign posted outside and the position of the owner I can understand why it would be put on the list, I just really hope it doesn't Last edited on Sun Apr 13th, 2008 06:55 pm by Shy_Panda |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Here is one for the gun friendly list!!: Sonic Burgers in Spokane http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=9857&forum_id=55&jump_to=157551#p157551 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Added Sonic. I'm holding off on Sharp Shooting, as they do allow CC. The reason the other shop, Larry's Guns, was put on the list was not only that he kicked a regular patron out for OC, but he did it very rudely. Normally, as per the original post's rules, they have to not allow guns/weapons at all to be put on the list. I made a judgement call on Larry. "I hate rude behavoir in a man. I won't tolerate it." -Woodrow F. Call from "Lonesome Dove" |
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Well I did eat at Flamimg Joes tonight, but I did not spend one dime. I insisted that i would no go anymore and my gf really wanted to, so I gave in but she paid. |
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I have a couple "gun friendly" places I go to around here in the Pierce County area:
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It seems like the "ban" list is getting really full of discussion and hard to navigate through to find actually business names. Could we get a page, perhaps on the NWCDO site that just has a list with a link next to each name that takes you to the discussion on that business. It also seems like there isn't an OK list, but rather just a variety of posts, many of which are now showing up on the banned thread. Could we do the same for friendly businesses, have a list with a link to the thread in which they were discussed? Do these lists already exist and I am just not noticing? |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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heresolong wrote: Do these lists already exist and I am just not noticing? Yes, go to the first post of this thread. That's why I started it. |
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just_a_car wrote: heresolong wrote:Hah. There we go. So long since I have been to the first page that I forgot about it.Do these lists already exist and I am just not noticing? Thanks. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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The Dennys in Shelton has no problem with OC, per the Manager Sarah. Her husband is retire military and a gun guy, she shoots and her response was I won't go against state law. |
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Chalk another one up for anti-OC in Sharp Shooting. (In addition to their unloaded and cased sign) I've got about 17 months before I can legally carry, but I went in there today to look at a Glock 21 and an XD 45. I liked the XD a lot and will probably have my dad make the purchase for me in a few months if I like the way it shoots. Anyways... While I was checking out the Glock, I acknowledged the gun on the guy’s hip and asked him if he ever openly carried in public. He said no in a pretty negative way. He said it was a legal grey area and all it took was one call to the police from a concerned citizen to have you arrested. I wasn't looking to make a debate or argument out of it so I just nodded and asked if he'd ever heard of OCDO. He said he had, but that you shouldn't listen to what they say and to do your own research. Right after that, he gave the "making yourself a prime target for an armed robber" scenario. To which I replied something along the lines of most criminals are just looking for a quick, easy buck and probably aren't going to commit murder for a couple hundred bucks in a cash register. In all likelihood, they’re going to go home and rethink it or at least find an easier target. That pretty much ended our OC discussion right there. He was a great guy, professional, and courteous, just not pro or even neutral OC. Last edited on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 05:14 am by Brad Cowin |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Brad Cowin wrote: I wasn't looking to make a debate or argument out of it so I just nodded and asked if he'd ever heard of OCDO. He said he had, but that you shouldn't listen to what they say and to do your own research. I wonder if he has even visited the site to see exactly how much research has already been done. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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joeroket wrote: Brad Cowin wrote:I wasn't looking to make a debate or argument out of it so I just nodded and asked if he'd ever heard of OCDO. He said he had, but that you shouldn't listen to what they say and to do your own research. He doesn't have too. He works at a gun store and knows everything, just ask him. There are more idiots working gun counters than you can count that know nothing but have all the answers.  |
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Mainsail Regular Member
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When it comes to gun stores, I strongly believe in voting with your wallet. I was turned off for years because of the surly attitude of the employees at Bullseye in Tacoma. They’ve managed to turn it around a lot and have gotten noticeably better. My favorite gun store, however, is still Mary’s Pistols hands down. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Mainsail wrote: When it comes to gun stores, I strongly believe in voting with your wallet. I was turned off for years because of the surly attitude of the employees at Bullseye in Tacoma. They’ve managed to turn it around a lot and have gotten noticeably better. My favorite gun store, however, is still Mary’s Pistols hands down. The old owner being forced out by the ATF for having firearm go out the door without paper work (the DC sniper). The new owner has his @#$% together.  Last edited on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 11:59 pm by Bear 45/70 |
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Brad, I had exactly the same conversation with the guy behind the counter at Boerner Firearms in Bremerton (Gorst). I've never been back. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: joeroket wrote:Brad Cowin wrote:I wasn't looking to make a debate or argument out of it so I just nodded and asked if he'd ever heard of OCDO. He said he had, but that you shouldn't listen to what they say and to do your own research. HAHA You got me on that one Bear. |
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Bruce, I was in Boerners the other day and he commented that I would eventually get arrested for OC. I asked what the charge would be and he replied "Reckless endangerment" in a very surly and strong voice. I said Bill, you mean to tell me that the gun in the holster, just setting there is reckless endangerment? his response;;;No, but when the lady in the store calls the cops and they come running lights and sirens, and hit someone...THAT"S RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT!!!! I have known Bill Boerner for 20+ years and he has a marvelous ability to interpret the law. What an idiot. Sorry Bill if you are reading this, but you ain't gotta clue. Using that logic, every LEO accident should result in an arrest for reckless endangerment. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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B&I Shopping complex at B & I Public Market Place. 8012 South Tacoma Way, Tacoma. I saw no signs until I was leaving and holding the door for some folks. The signs are laminated white pieces of paper with info about the flying of gang colors. Near the bottom is a line about no guns or weapons allowed. With all the crap hanging by the doors I missed the signs going in while OC'ing. I walked right passed 2 security guards to go in and walked strong side to another as I walked into the shop I was doing business with (so much for their powers of observation). Me thinks my weapon blends in too well. Its all black with black Houge rubber grips in a black Serpa holster. That will all change next week when the rosewood & black rubber Pachmayr grips arrive (thanks to the post by Stealth Potato). No issue while at the Starlite swap meet. I even found a guy that will make me a leather belt to my specifications. No issue at the at the Country Rose Cafe in Spanaway. Great breakfast. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Okay, I've updated the list with B&I to the anti-gun list. Also added Denny's in Shelton and Walmart in Puyallup to the pro-gun list. Also added the two Sheri's Restaurants I go to where the managers and the servers are all cool with me carrying. compmanio365 wrote: I have a couple "gun friendly" places I go to around here in the Pierce County area:
Edit: also just added Beth's Cafe to the pro-gun list, which I should have done a long time ago. Last edited on Mon Apr 21st, 2008 02:09 am by just_a_car |
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Well, i stopped in to Sonic here in Spokane and had a bite. Patrick was working and so I told him the reason why I came in was because they are on the OC friendly list. He was excited about it and we talked for a while about OC. Very nice guy!! my new favorite burger spot for sure!! |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I'm glad to hear he's excited about being on the list and I'm happy to have him on there! |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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I think that Quiznos in Pullman should be added to the pro-OC list seeing as how we have met there on several occasions and had noting but positive experiences. Although I don't know if anyone has contacted the manager regarding the issue, a few of the employees are very pro-OC. The thread on OC in Pullman has more details on the goings on at Quiznos. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: I think that Quiznos in Pullman should be added to the pro-OC list seeing as how we have met there on several occasions and had noting but positive experiences. Although I don't know if anyone has contacted the manager regarding the issue, a few of the employees are very pro-OC. The thread on OC in Pullman has more details on the goings on at Quiznos. I'm reluctant to, but I'll go ahead and add them. The only reason I'm adding them is because of the post about how it all went and it sounds like you had one employee say "awesome" directly in relation to the firearm (but I don't know if he thought you were a cop or not... again, why I'm reluctant). But, the fact that you talked about it so much in front of the employees with the gentlemen and there was no issue goes to help support the addition to the list. I'd like to note I'm making an exception to my 'orginal post' rules, where I would prefer that the positive comment come from a supervisor or manager (in other words, someone that has authority to kick you out if they wanted to) and that the comment be pro-gun (and preferably pro-OC and/or pro-civilian-carry). |
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just_a_car wrote: The only reason I'm adding them is because of the post about how it all went and it sounds like you had one employee say "awesome" directly in relation to the firearm (but I don't know if he thought you were a cop or not... again, why I'm reluctant). It is fine if you don't decide to add it to keep the rules intact, I am a fan of rules just not being ruled. The guy was saying awesome directly in relation to my beretta, we have been in there on multiple occasions and we have given him a WGR pamphlet to which he has expressed intrest in OC. I think it was pretty clear that I was not a cop seeing as how I was dressed, and we were a large group of people (4/6 OCing). |
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I added it as soon as I posted that, as I said I would. Check the first post on the first page. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Chalk up another anti-gun gun store FROM IDAHO ! If you are willing to put up border businesses then the Tri-State in Moscow, ID is a do not patronize due to this thread.http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/8617.html |
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Next time you're near Tri-State, feel free to tell them they've been DNP-listed. I really hope businesses realize just how many people read and follow this list. |
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I feel bad for posting so many businesses that are in Idaho, but since I got Tri-State blacklisted I figure that I should suggest an alternative location to shop for ammo at least that is very pro-OC. Charles, the owner of Sure Shot in Moscow, ID has seen me and several others OC in his store on multiple occasions and his reaction according to my friend Roy who asked if 'this is alright?' (refering to his OCing) was "so long as you don't try and shoot me I ain't got no problem with it." Today when Dave and I were killing time waiting for the manager of Tri-State to return we stopped by and hung out for 15-20 min. with no problems. Although this is a somewhat small store and their selection is somewhat limited, this is a very pro-gun business that I think truely deserves our support. Again sorry about all the Idaho businesses, but here in Pullman there really isn't anyplace major to shop until you get across the border. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Again sorry about all the Idaho businesses, but here in Pullman there really isn't anyplace major to shop until you get across the border. Which is exactly why I just added it to the list and why I am happy to do so. As I said before, I want this to be a Washington State list, not just a Western Washington list, and having been over through that part of WA (and into ID) a few times, I know exactly what you mean. Plus, since ID has similar OC-laws to WA, I think the application of our dollars isn't wasted on a poor legislative state, either. |
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I am glad to see that the pro-OC list is growing much faster than is the DNP one. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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So am I, SP. I noticed a couple edits ago that there were more total Pro-Gun Biz's on the list than there were on the DNP and the Watch lists, put together. That made me really happy. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Shopko in Pullman on the watch list until things get sorted out with corporate. |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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I just checked the list in the first post and I was surprised to not see Applebee's up there. Although our encounter there was less than plesent, the Area Director told me face to face that they mirror state law and our sidearms are welcome at any time. |
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Phssthpok wrote: I just checked the list in the first post and I was surprised to not see Applebee's up there. Although our encounter there was less than plesent, the Area Director told me face to face that they mirror state law and our sidearms are welcome at any time. That is exactly why they're not up there. Also, I've OC'd at the following Applebee's without issue Lynnwood (10+ times), Everett Mall Way, Canyon Park, and Factoria. Added to the watch list, pending you getting your 10-15 minutes of writing back. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Just curious, and mabey I skimmed over it, but does anyone have a blanket letter that we can modify for each individual business preferably a pro and anti-gun style letting them know about their status here? If so where is it posted, if at all. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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SP, I don't believe we have any kind of literature regarding this list. I started it a while back because it was needed and I felt I could do it professionally and consistently... plus, I also felt it gave me a way to give back to the people here on the forum; kind of like a service. |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Phssthpok wrote:I just checked the list in the first post and I was surprised to not see Applebee's up there. Although our encounter there was less than plesent, the Area Director told me face to face that they mirror state law and our sidearms are welcome at any time. OK... I'm lost. What I meant was that I was surprised to nto see Applebee's on the 'friendly' list. I'm not sure why they'd be on the 'watch' list, nor what you mean by my '10-15 minutes of writing back'.  |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member
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My suggested format for a Do Not Patronize Letter. Please comment and suggest any changes. President, CEO XYZ Retail Business As the result of an encounter with _______ the manager of your store located in___________, it has come to my attention that your company prohibits the legal carrying of firearms within the confines of your store, by any person other than law enforcement officers. As an American citizen, and being licensed by the State of _____ to legally carry a firearm, your policy is discriminating. As a result, my business will be directed to your competitors. Also, your company is being placed on a DO NOT PATRONIZE list on the OpenCarry.org website, until such time I receive notice that your company will mirror state law and allow legally carried firearms in your stores. My name address |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Trigger, that's a good start for a form letter. I'd modify the bit about prohibiting legally carried firearms, as sometimes the managers say they're fine with CC but not OC and we still put them on the list because they ask the person to leave. But great job on getting us something that can easily be modified to fit specific instances with just a word or two changed. Phsstock, ah, I see what you mean. I thought you expected them on the DNP or Watch list, as there have been instances/incidents in the past with specific stores/managers. I'll go back and reread that stuff to see if maybe I mistakenly forgot to place them on the Pro-Gun list. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. As for the "Watch list" comment, I forgot to preface that with "Shy_Panda", as I was responding to his post also in the same post to be more efficient, as I've done here for you and Trigger. Sorry about the confusion. |
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Phssthpok wrote:
That was directed at me. Edit: Sorry I had not caught up to the thread yet. Last edited on Thu May 1st, 2008 06:45 am by Shy_Panda |
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Hope you don't mind Car, but I am tactically aquireing your thread formating for use on a Idaho state DNP list. Just got a little antsey and am avoiding studying for finals still. If you do mind just let me know and consider it gone. Edit: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=10444&forum_id=20 Also how did you do the "(this thread)" trick? I'm very computer illiterate. Last edited on Thu May 1st, 2008 07:39 am by Shy_Panda |
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Shy_Panda wrote: Hope you don't mind Car, but I am tactically aquireing your thread formating for use on a Idaho state DNP list. Just got a little antsey and am avoiding studying for finals still. I don't mind, as you did credit me with creating it (mind you in damn small print and using dashes instead of underscores, but you tried at least). As for the This Thread trick, it's what's called vBcode. Check out this tutorial, I directed the page to go straight to the URL part for you.... Essentially you do this without spaces: [ url=http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=10444&forum_id=20]This Thread[ /url] ...as you can tell, I know my way around computers a little. Self-trained in a little of this and a little of that with some classes in a code here and a hardware there. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Sadly it appears that OCB needs to be added to the DO NOT PATRONIZE list due to the current incident in PA and OCB's response. http://www.pafoa.org/forum/general-2/23660-i-called-old-country-buffet-corporate.html Last edited on Wed May 14th, 2008 05:34 pm by Right Wing Wacko |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: Sadly it appears that OCB needs to be added to the DO NOT PATRONIZE list due to the current incident in PA and OCB's response. I've ate at both the Puyallup & Federal Way locations without issue. No signs are posted at the doors. The only way into the Puyallup location is thru the doors to South Hill Mall which the mall doors are posted with no firearms. I concealed through the mall to the OCB entrance (100 feet) but when we went to eat I took the jacket was off until we left. Lots of kids and family that day no one batted an eye. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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RWW, that's really odd... since OCB is owned by the same company that owns Original Roadhouse Grill, where we had a great Monthly Lunch and I've never had an issue there while OC'ing. |
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Nebulis01 Regular Member
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Time to add AMC/Loews Cinema's to the list http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/10996.html |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Mainsail wrote:When it comes to gun stores, I strongly believe in voting with your wallet. I was turned off for years because of the surly attitude of the employees at Bullseye in Tacoma. They’ve managed to turn it around a lot and have gotten noticeably better. My favorite gun store, however, is still Mary’s Pistols hands down. I'll admit they are much better. I used to hate going to Bullseye because of their elitist attitude. That was 12 years ago but now they seem much more customer friendly. Bought my XD45 from them. However, I second Mary's Pistols. Just put a DPMS on order and she was very helpful. |
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Perhaps Old Country Buffet needs to be dealt with on an individual basis. Mrs Duck and I went to OCB on the Kent East Hill. We both scanned the entrance area for restrictions and found none. My G17 was in plain sight when we paid for lunch and while we were selecting our food. We had picked a window table and were enjoying our food when Kent Police arrived, saying people were "concerned". Asking what crime I had committed raised a real stink with the cops. We took it outside, I was disarmed, and we proceeded to have what was close to an argument. I kept asking what reasonable articulable suspicion of what crime was I being detained for and the lead cop kept saying that "people were uncomfortable" and "what would people think?" I told him that thinking wouldn't hurt them. I refused to give him CPL, driver license, or even my name. He threatened to arrest me and confiscate my pistol. I offed an introduction to Title 18 USC section 242, Deprivation of rights under color of law. Strangely, there was no more talk of arrest and seizure after that. I, too realized that I was playing brinksmanship, and seeing that his name tag was displayed, initials and last name, I gave my initials and last name. We gradually came to an understanding of each other and eventually parted amicably. I've said on this board that 90% of the trouble we get is caused by idiots who are on a power trip of some sort. Well, how about a power trip by a panty wetter? It turns out that some manager, one without enough manhood to tell me the (unposted) rule and suggest putting the pistol in the car, called 911 over the objections of the waitress who knew us. Another Castrati letting the women go in where he fears to tread! They seem to be OK with CC, which does seem to be rather ostrich like. And stupid. If I were bent on mayhem, why would I open carry? I don't envision filing a complaint. The encounter was more like dogs in the street, none of whom tucked tail. Additionally, Kent PD is a poor department, in my opinion, acting as if they're the Only Ones. Example: running code 3 and busting traffic lights without a siren on. If I can get the FBI on their cases, fine; otherwise it's not worth the effort. How's this for a bump? (aka poor man's sticky) MD |
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Sounds as though even though the manager didn't have the man parts to deal with the situation you had more than enough for both of you the way you delt with the officer. Kudos, I highly doubt that I would have been able to handle the situation that way or to do as good a job with it as you did. I think I would still file a complaint, who knows mabey there is at least one cop who doesn't care if they are the whistle blower. Strange, the more stories I hear all you west siders tell about your encounters with the police, the more I realize that the name might be fitting. |
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The problem with OCB is that it is now OFFICIAL CORPORATE POLICY that bans guns on the premises. COSTCO is on the list list for the same reason even though many people have had no problem at some individual stores. I don't care, it's their policy, so they don't get my money. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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OCB added to the DNP List and Alderwood 16 added to the Watch List. If you're wondering why they weren't added to the DNP List, read the original post where I listed the "standards" for each. |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member
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This is provided to clients by a local attorney, with the suggestion to attach it to the vehicle registration. Maybe we should develop something similiar for OC, CC. Officer, on the advice of counsel, in the state of Washington: I will provide you my drivers license, registration, & proof of insurance. I will sign a citation jf any, and then I want to leave immediately. I will not answer any questions with out an attorney present. I do not have to do any "field sobriety tests" and I refuse to do them. I do not consent to my person, car, or other property being searched. If I am arrested, I want an attorney now, I do not waive any of my rights. If you want to take a breath or blood test, I want to talk to my attorney, FIRST. If they can not be reached I want to talk to a public defender or another attorney. / will submit to a breath or blood test. If you request I take a breath or blood test, I also want an additional legal blood test. If I am not under arrest I want to leave. Please tell me so I may lock my car and walk away. Thank you. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Um, Trigger Dr, what does any of that have to do with this thread? Edit: Other than perhaps you're trying to tell people that they should use that in situations mentioned above... but you did it rather obscurely and I only realized that might be what you meant after thinking about it a bit. Last edited on Sat May 24th, 2008 05:36 am by just_a_car |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Pro Gun Business: DelBrocco's Pizza, Steak & Hoagie 3908 6th Ave (corner of 6th & Proctor) Tacoma, WA 253-756-7445 compmanio365 & his wife (both OC), me(OC) & my wife eating some great east coast pizza. Good spicy Italian sasuage on the meat lovers & spinage on the veggie pizza. Anthony DelBrocco (WA CPL) welcomes us to his business and invited us to hold a monthly get together at his place. Very interested in getting some of the gun rights pamphlets and learning more about OC. Please add to the Pro business list. |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member
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Just a car, did you read this line? Maybe we should develop something similiar for OC, CC. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Trigger Dr wrote: Just a car, Yes, I did. I also read the whole post. It deserves its own thread... as it really doesn't deal with "Businesses that ban guns", but rather dealing with LEOs that respond to MWAG calls. See where I'm coming from? |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: Pro Gun Business: Added. |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member
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OK, Now I see |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Trigger Dr wrote: OK, Now I see No worries, bro. All's cool that ends cool. Last edited on Sat May 24th, 2008 06:44 pm by just_a_car |
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joeroket Regular Member
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I have added all of the unfriendly and friendly businesses to NWCDL. Gun Unfriendly Businesses and Gun Friendly Businesses |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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joeroket wrote: I have added all of the unfriendly and friendly businesses to NWCDL. Thanks, joerocket. Sorry for not keeping up over there. With school, this forum and others, I've let my attendance over on NWCDL drop off a bit. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: joeroket wrote:I have added all of the unfriendly and friendly businesses to NWCDL. Hey no problem at all. I got a bug up my butt the other night and wanted to fill some spce on the pages and, since you did all the leg work, those were the easiest to pages to fill. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Larry's Guns has been removed from the DNP List after I called and spoke with Jeff (ElJefe1911) yesterday. I wanted to confirm it at least by phone if not in person that it was 'good to go' and he stated that peaceable open carry is welcome. I won't be adding them to the Pro-Gun Businesses list because I (and hopefully all of you) assume that gun shops are "pro-gun"... as much as I've been shown otherwise. *sigh* But, this one has turned around and I'm happy to say that one less gun shop is on the DNP List! |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Please add Sportsmans Warehouse to the PRO GUN List, due to this thread: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=11787&forum_id=55 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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surfj9009 wrote: Please add Sportsmans Warehouse to the PRO GUN List, due to this thread: I'll add it reluctantly. I say reluctantly because there have been at least 3 (in my quick recollection) cases similar to your's where corporate had to be called to set the locals straight and/or to get the wording on the signs at the door changed and/or clarified in regards to OC. Their corporate policy is such that they are in line with "state law" in whatever state they're in, but they don't seem to educate their managers and/or employees very well with regards to what those laws are... at least, not in WA. |
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Machoduck Regular Member
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Bump. MD |
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surfj9009 wrote: Please add Sportsmans Warehouse to the PRO GUN List, due to this thread: Sportsmans is PRO GUN.??? When you walk in you just have to check it in at the customer service desk. They put a sticker wherever you like on your gun.......BUT it CANNOT be loaded! So is it truely PRO GUN or is it half and half???? I dont think that it should be added to either list. Last edited on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 06:22 pm by RiverTMasco |
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they don't do that in Spokane |
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RiverTMasco wrote: Sportsmans is PRO GUN.???They don't do it in Lacey. You can carry your carry gun however you like, so long as it stays in the holster. Coorperate policy. |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member
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RiverTMasco wrote:
Not exactly correct. The only time you check the gun and have it unl;oaded, is when you will have it out of the holster to fit it to an accessory. Please read the sign CLOSELY Jim Attached Image (viewed 385 times): |
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RiverTMasco Regular Member
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Trigger Dr wrote: RiverTMasco wrote: Well thanks for clearing that up. I must have missed that sign. I apologize. Last edited on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 08:43 pm by RiverTMasco |
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same sign in Spokane. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Seven friends of mine visiting from Florida are doing a whitewater rafting trip & needed some mil surplus stuff. While I was looking over the used holsters 2 of the employees were discussing me. I over heard "he has a gun? is it loaded?" the reply was "I didn't go up and touch it to see!" The manager/owner came over(forgot her name) and asked me if it was loaded. I answered it would be the only way to carry it. I asked if she knew it was legal in Washington to OC. She said she supported my right to carry but would prefer folks to CC due to an issue they once had with a customer. She then asked me to take it to the truck. I let her know I was riding with friends and I would have to hunt them out in the store. She then suggested I could unload the pistol and I could stay in the store or I would have to wait out at the street. I reached over and released the magazine on the 1911 and put it in my pocket. I explained about our business list and she stands firm - either unloaded or CC. I know unloading is not a choice many of you would have made and had I been by myself I would have left. However because I was with friends and 2 of them were CC'ing did I choose to unload and remain in the store. The Fox Hole, Military Surplus http://www.thefoxhole.org/ 15022 Union Ave SW Lakewood, WA 98498 (253) 584-0626 This is the second time I have forgot to carry my voice recoder... must remember |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Manager said CC or unloaded OC was okay... that's darn good for someone that could have just told you to "GTFO!"... if you catch my drift. Either way, it's nowhere near a biz that bans guns/weapons, doesn't fit the "rules" on the first page and thus, will not be listed in any list on the first post (as it doesn't fit any of them). |
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I just had a major incident with Key Bank, 1841 Main St in Ferndale (98248) Wednesday I went there, OC'ing, to access my safe box and no one noticed until I was on my way out. Friday I went back, again for the safe box, and was told that I could not bring my gun into the bank, and if I would take it out and lock in in my car I could do business. JUST TO AVOID AN ESCALATION of the incident I complied but told this assistant manager that she was wrong, and I cited RCW 9.41.270, which she wrote down. I realized later I should have cited 300, but that's for further down. She told me that the Ferndale police had confirmed their position. (They must have called them after I was there on Wednesday). I said I would do further research and bring her copies of all the applicable sections of the RCW. She wasn't too interested in that and said their management would review the issue. Her position seemed to be that they think banks are excepted from the OC law. I went home and reviewed RCW 9.41.270 (OC), .290 (preemption), and .300 (exceptions) and found my position is apparently fully vindicated by state law. But here we have several issues: (1) Banks seem to me to be something of a gray zone, even though they are not listed in Section 300; (2) the Ferndale police may be a problem, though what I heard was hearsay in nature; (3) It is possible this incident could result in a corporate-wide policy with Key Bank; so far it's only in the Ferndale branch. I recommend that the Ferndale branch be at least put on the "watch" list. If this thing escalates as seems possible I don't know if I want to take them on alone. I will drop off copies of the three RCW sections on Monday, but I doubt that will have any significant effect. Can anyone advise me how to handle this? Meanwhile if I need to go in the bank I will just avoid further incidents and leave the gun in the car. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Banks are not grey areas. It is perfectly legal to carry in a bank CC or OC. It does not matter. |
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Did the manager tell you it was illegal? It sounds more a case of private property rights (that is another debate in itself). If she asked you to leave, the RCW's are more or less irrelevant unless they're using the illegality as a justification for their stance. But as joerocket said, there's nothing illegal about it. I would approach it more from the standpoint of it this policy for this branch or a Key corporate policy and pursue it with someone in corporate security. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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So how would you recommend dealing with this? I will drop off the RCW sections for their review but I'm not willing to get myself arrested just to make a case. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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No, this was a gun issue and nothing else. She told me to take the gun out of the bank but they would serve me if I came back in without it. What worries me is that they say they checked with the Ferndale police and claim they got backing from them on the issue after my first visit there on Wednesday. So we could also have an issue with the Ferndale PD. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: No, this was a gun issue and nothing else. She told me to take the gun out of the bank but they would serve me if I came back in without it. You first need to find out what the "backing" from the PD was. It may be that it was a backing for tresspass and not that guns are not allowed in banks. When you drop off the information I would ask the manager in a manner that does not imply you are trying to cause problems and you are just curious as to what the conversation with the PD was about and what was said. Something like; "Just out of curiosity I was wondering if you would tell me what the PD was asked and what thier response was so I know in the future how they look at something like this so I don't get myself into trouble." This is a very non-confontational way of asking for info without them knowing what your motives are. |
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joeroket wrote: Richard6218 wrote:No, this was a gun issue and nothing else. She told me to take the gun out of the bank but they would serve me if I came back in without it. +1. Also, from your own account, you sounded confrontational to begin with by outright telling her she was wrong without knowing why she was wrong. You need to beef up on your RCW's and general knowledge before trying to "educate" other people on them. Also, as has been said, she is completely correct if she said that you couldn't have it there because of a policy of the bank's. You need to determine if the policy is the bank's or if it's of misinformation about the law. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: joeroket wrote:Richard6218 wrote:No, this was a gun issue and nothing else. She told me to take the gun out of the bank but they would serve me if I came back in without it. Yes, I admit I was confrontational, even aggressively so, because I was otherwise backing down. So I didn't gain anything from that. She got her way about the gun and I got my bank business done. You have definitely hit on a key (pardon the pun) issue about the difference between bank policy and ignorance of the law. I will look into this, but I really suspect it's the latter. When I asked her what legal basis she had for her position she admitted she didn't know. She was just saying that carrying in a bank was illegal without knowing why. So I must say I was much better prepared than she was, even though I cited the wrong section (i.e. 270 vs. 300). As to knowing the RCW's, this is not rocket science. Anyone with reasonably good language and analytical abilities can read them and understand their intent. Unless we are lawyers, which I am not, it is not necessary to have courtroom-quality polish in reciting them in a discussion. It is only necessary to have a grasp of their intent and to be able to find the section that applies to a situation. That;s what I have done with this case and my visit to the bank on Monday represents Round 2. We shall see where it goes from there. |
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They have the right to ask you to leave for just about ANY reason. If you don't do so they can trespass you and then you can't come back. I would then proceed to the counter and close all my accounts. I have open carried in Washington Mutual here in Marysville, as well as several Bank of America's without issue. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I'm glad to hear other banks haven't caused this problem. Interestingly, last week I went into the Bellingham Costco several times (I seldom go there as a rule) and got no more than the usual stares from some other customers. So maybe they are just lax about enforcing their policy, or the local managers don't know about the policy. Thanks for the feedback. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Looks like this thread has kind of fizzled out, but I just want to reply to RightWingWacko's comment about trespass. Yes, as a private business they may have the right to eject anyone they choose, and for any reason, though there may be limits to that. My point is that they never asked me to leave. They only asked me to remove the gun from the premises, so this was strictly a gun issue. And the fact that they apparently consulted the Ferndale PD tells me that they see it as an issue at law, not something from the corporate policy manual. After my visit there Monday when I will have had the chance to inquire, I will know more about what they were saying and they will have the copies of the RCW that I have printed for them. It will likely take some more time for a resolution, so i will just have to let it play out. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Does someone have the Safeway Corp policy on carrying weapons? I thought I saw it posted once but am unable to find it. My last few visits to the store have resulted in multiple shadows in the aisles. |
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So what is the exact law as far as OC in banks? I thought it was illegal to carry firearms in State/Federal buildings.(period) |
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M1Gunr wrote: Does someone have the Safeway Corp policy on carrying weapons? I thought I saw it posted once but am unable to find it. My last few visits to the store have resulted in multiple shadows in the aisles. Don't have the corp policy, but haven't had an issue in any Safeway I've been in while OCing.....had an employee ask about it, but it was no issue. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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RiverTMasco wrote: So what is the exact law as far as OC in banks? Banks are private property. You can be asked to leave as one would at Costco. State property: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300 I've OC'd while getting my drivers licensed renewed and car tabs. You can't take a weapon into the secured areas. note: I was just up at the Port Orchard youth facility and one must pass thru the metal detector to gain entry. I was able to secure my weapon in a provided lock box. Federal property: USC Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, §930 (a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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There will be another possible incident today when I go to the DOL counter in the local Cost Cutter today to renew a boat license. Cost Cutter is private property and I have otherwise not had problems there. Thanx to RiverTMasco for the RCW quote of 9.41.300. There is clearly no mention of banks in that section. |
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OK, here's the outcome of the meeting with Key Bank management this morning, June 30. I met with the person who introduced herself as a supervisor, apparently lacking the title of branch manager but having general responsibility there. I first asked about the basis for their position on OC and it apparently comes from their corporate security department. When I asked for a copy of this policy she said she would have to get it from Security. She will call me when she has it. She said she was not present last week when I was there and had no knowledge of any conversation with the Ferndale PD. I asked her to find out if someone had contacted them, and what was said. I noted that I would be most interested to hear if their source at the PD said the same that the officer I contacted some three weeks ago. The officer I talked to affirmed that his department is up to speed on the RCW, though this conversation took place well before my incident at the bank. I presented printed copies of RCW 9.41.270, -.290 and -.300, and reviewed the essence of each section. She just listened without comment --- I think her response was a bit gratuitous. Sooooo ------- this isn't over, as I was expecting. I think the next event will be getting the written policy from the bank's security dept. .......Something a bit off-topic: I went to the DOL counter in Cost Cutter, OC'ing. Nothing was said and frankly I don't think anyone even noticed. I don't think this can be considered State property, but does anyone have an enlightened opinion on that? Another: RCW 9.41.300.1(d) says the following: (d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age; By any stretch of the law, can this apply to markets like Safeway, Cost Cutter, Haggen, etc., because they have wine and beer counters? |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: OK, here's the outcome of the meeting with Key Bank management this morning, June 30. As far as over 21 areas go they are the establishments, or portion of, that are off limits to persons under 21 when classified as such by the liquor control board. They are required to be posted at the entrances of the areas that are off limits. Basically bars, lounges, taverns, or any other place that is off limits to persons under 21 due to alcohol sales, not including liquor stores. On the note of State property the only stuff off limits are those that are outlined in .300 and that is only because of what the legislatures wrote in the code. If it is not outlined in .300 as off limits then carry is allowed. |
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Richard, you can answer your own question. Go to Safeway. Approach the area where beer and wines are sold. Watch carefully for LCB signs. See any? The LCB signs are for taverns and the lounge area of restaurants, both of which have on the premises consumption. The restaurant area is outside the prohibited area because the greater part of revenue is from food (I think). MD |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Olive Garden Olive Garden and Darden Restaurant's policy regarding firearms in our restaurants is that we do not allow firearms except those carried by law enforcement officers. I have this info from my calls to Corporate relations and am waiting on a written copy of the policy. edit: Darden Restaurants include Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Longhorn Steak House, Bahama Breeze, The Capital Grill & Seasons 52 Fresh Grill Last edited on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:11 am by M1Gunr |
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Safeway carry policy I was looking for: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=10282&forum_id=55&highlight=safeway A manager told Agent 47 that carry was ok by corp as long as one had a license... I may have to ask and get a copy of the Corp policy from one of my "shadows" when I visit next time. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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VICTORY IN THE KEY BANK CASE!!!!!  I just got off the phone with Wendy (Supervisor in the Ferndale branch of Key Bank. She told me that the bank's security department had reviewed the RCW and determined that I was right as to the law. They also confirmed that there is no prohibition in the bank's written policy. She also discussed the issue with Ferndale PD and they said the same. She did say that some people were quite nervous, especially employees who are trained to deal with bank robbers. Understandably, guns make them nervous. So banks are definitely a different kind of establishment than a restaurant, or a Home Depot. So this clears up the issue with Key Bank at the corporate level. Their security dept is now up to speed, we now know about their policy manual and the Ferndale PD has confirmed that banks are not included in the list of exceptions in 9.41.300. Overall, a rather satisfying victory. |
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Glad to hear it Richard. I OC whenever I have to do any in-person banking at BECU. I think many banks are used to customers carrying (usually concealed, though) due to having to making end-of-day deposits that can run into the thousands of dollars in cash. Honestly, if I was carrying that much cash on me at any one time, I'd want to be carrying at least a semi-auto rifle and a few loaded mags! But, since that would almost certainly bring the SWAT team, I'll just stick to my G27 in my Serpa CQC holster. |
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just_a_car wrote: Glad to hear it Richard.Bah, just mount the bayonet on your 91/30 and NOBODY will want to mess with you with that bad boy slung over your shoulder. Of course you will have to duck to clear doorways.... |
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Glad to hear both your replies. Perhaps the rifle with bayonet and extra mags is a bit of overkill the point is made. To me, the victory is sweet. Everyone went away happy, and it was a win-win for all. The significance is that we can put Key Bank on the list of "gun-friendly" or at least "gun-tolerant" businesses, and the Ferndale PD as among the enlightened departments in our state. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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The only one I could find in our area was in Federal Way and although I haven't heard of any issues from our local Cinemark location it might be worth noting. per this thread: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/12903.html Century Federal Way Located at The Commons at Federal Way 320th and Hwy 99, Exit 143 off of I-5 Federal Way, WA 98003 (800) 326-3264 Cinemark's official policy is that ONLY LEO'S CAN CARRY INTO THEIR THEATERS NO CONCEALED WEAPONS, NO OC. He asked me that we not send e-mails to tell them their policy sucks. Okay, well I don't think that's possible. http://www.cinemark.com/contactus.asp Last edited on Fri Jul 4th, 2008 03:20 am by M1Gunr |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I just posted the following to their website: I have been told that you have a no-firearms policy in your theaters. I must advise you that although you have a property right to do so, carrying of firearms is protected under the US Constitution, 2nd Amendment, the Washington State constitution Section 1.24 and RCW 9.41.270. You are in violation of all these with your prohibition against guns. Hope it helps. Pile on, folks!  |
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Machoduck Regular Member
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I don't know if it will help but it can't hurt. You just never know when somebody might get the idea that "a movement has started" and thus realize that carrying a gun is an honest-to-goodness right. Also this reply serves as a BUMP (Basic Upwardly Mobile Post). MD |
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SlacK Regular Member 
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To whom it may concern: I have recently been advised that you do not allow customers to carry their legal firearms on your premises. In doing so you deprive me, and all of your customers a very important means of self protection. |
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Machoduck Regular Member
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BUMP (Basic Upwardly Mobile Post). MD |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Added Kitsap Mall, Redmond Town Center and Cascade Mall to the DNP List on page 1. |
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kenshin Regular Member
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Add the Kitsap Mall, Redmond Town Center and the Cascade Mall. Heard back from Macerich, owns all three of them, that firearms are expressly forbidden. More info on this thread: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/13641.html EDIT: you beat me to it just_a_car. I was typing this one as you added it. lol Last edited on Mon Jul 21st, 2008 10:13 pm by kenshin |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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...and that's why I 'run' this list. |
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RiverTMasco Regular Member
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Regal Cinemas should be added to the Watch list if not the DNP list http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/7836.html |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Do we have any info on Red Robin's corporate policy on OC? Last edited on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 02:39 am by Bear 45/70 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Do we have any info on Red Robin's corporate policy on OC? surfj determined they were anti-carry, but at the same time, managers don't enforce it... which is why they're not listed: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=8271 |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:Do we have any info on Red Robin's corporate policy on OC? I though I had read something but couldn't remember what the out come was and it is not listed. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Tacoma Red Robin has never asked me to leave or cover mine up. I'm there at least once a month. |
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Right Wing Wacko Campaign Veteran
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One member of our DNP list has just declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy. I would like to beleive it was from the lack of gun owners patronizing their establishment, but I know better.
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Honestly can't remember if this was covered seeing as how it has been so long ago, but Shopko corporate policy mirrors state law so they are not anti-OC... however I still don't believe they should be added to the pro list seeing as how odds are you will get hassled. Just thought it should be revisited. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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So do you think Shopko should still be on the Watch List or have they earned being removed by having a corporate policy that is just like Wal-mart's? A manager may hassle you, but a call to corporate can set it (and the manager) straight. I feel that corporations can only do so much to control their managers and if they're willing to put rogue managers in their place, they don't deserve to be on the Watch List. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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I don't think they should be on the pro list because they are not extraordinarily welcoming to OCers, but they have made their policy clear that they follow state laws. If the watch list carries the negative conotations of being anti-gun then they should no longer be on that list, if we actually want to make the list a worry for these stores then we should reward those who are not out against us, strictly speaking. So long as they follow a similar listing as walmart then I have no problem with them being listed or removed as the case may be. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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JAC what do you think of the idea of having another section of the DNP list that recgonizes businesses that FOLLOW STATE LAW so that people can just do a quick reference so we don't have too many repeaters... cause that'll happen. Hit me up with your opinion. |
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Add Lowe's to the good guys list  Dear XXXX XXXX: Thank you for giving Lowe's the opportunity to respond to your concerns regarding our policy on firearms in our stores. Lowe's currently does, and will continue to abide by federal, state and local laws regarding firearms, and we do not prohibit customers from carrying firearms into our stores. Our first and foremost concern is for the safety of our customers, however; we take all comments and concerns from our customers seriously. We are considerate of all customers, and will remain neutral regarding the right to carry firearms. We will respect federal, state and local laws regarding this. If Lowe's can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to call 1-866-284-8989 or email execustservice@lowes.com. You may also contact us by mailing your correspondence to P.O. Box 1111, Mail Code CON8, North Wilkesboro, North Carolina 28659. Thank you, Julie Holloway Lowe's Executive Customer Service |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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jbone wrote: Add Lowe's to the good guys list Done, please see my note next to their addition. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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I am up for having Shopko taken off the watch list. It seems as though management has been instructed on the fact that corporate policy is in fact to follow state law. I think the regional director has started to straighten things out. It is time they be let out of the dog house. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: I am up for having Shopko taken off the watch list. It seems as though management has been instructed on the fact that corporate policy is in fact to follow state law. I think the regional director has started to straighten things out. It is time they be let out of the dog house. Seeing as how you're the one that first posted about them and got them on the list, I'll let you make that call. They are removed from the Watch List. Man, I love when I get to remove businesses from either the Watch List or the DNP List! SP, if you think it's appropriate, please let them know they've been removed from our list and why. |
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Then due to the above letter from Lowes, shouldnt they be moved off the list ? |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Triple Tap wrote: Then due to the above letter from Lowes, shouldnt they be moved off the list ? As I said to do in my post at 5:50pm yesterday... go read the note I put after their listing on the Pro-Gun Businesses List. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Please add to the pro carry. I took the family into Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse in Federal Way with me OC'ing the whole time and found a wonderful place for food. I met with the manager asked how he felt about a large group of armed folks holding a meeting some Sunday for lunch. His reply below... Bill, was a pleasure to meet you last week. Having talked with my general manager, we feel there should be no problem with your event. Please let us know time, date and amount of people and we will set it up for you. Also if there are any special needs,(highchairs, wheelchairs etc.) please let us know. Thanks and look forward to hearing from you Robert Templeton Manager Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse Restaurant (Hwy 99 just south of the Hwy 18 intersection) 34902 Pacific Hwy South Federal Way WA 98003 253-874-6000 |
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kenshin Regular Member
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Hey, add USbank and Rainier Pacific Bank. Corporate policies for both. Called and verified with corporate at each company. Was also kicked out of each and received notarized letters saying I would be trespassed if I returned. Rainier Pac went to the extra effort to also send a copy to the local PD. How charming of them. I haven't been back since. They must not want customers. |
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Maybe I missed it, but shouldn't Changs on Evergreen be added to the Pro-Gun? We did have an OC meet there. Just curious if it was missed or reason for it not being there. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Metal_Monkey wrote: Maybe I missed it, but shouldn't Changs on Evergreen be added to the Pro-Gun? We did have an OC meet there. Just curious if it was missed or reason for it not being there. Just because an OC meet is had without issue does not necessarily mean the business is pro-gun. Chances are they don't care either way and are willing to take your money because you are giving them business. Now, if you have a written policy or letter or word from a manager that anyone OC'ing is welcome, then I'll add 'em. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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kenshin wrote: Hey, add USbank and Rainier Pacific Bank. Corporate policies for both. Called and verified with corporate at each company. Was also kicked out of each and received notarized letters saying I would be trespassed if I returned. Rainier Pac went to the extra effort to also send a copy to the local PD. How charming of them. I haven't been back since. They must not want customers. Hey, "please" goes a long way to not sounding like you're ordering someone to do something. Also, if I remember correctly, the last we heard on US Bank was that the security officer had sent a certified letter and corporate had been contacted without response. Got links to which threads these two were referenced and verified to be anti-gun? |
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Metal_Monkey Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Metal_Monkey wrote:Maybe I missed it, but shouldn't Changs on Evergreen be added to the Pro-Gun? We did have an OC meet there. Just curious if it was missed or reason for it not being there. It was called and cleared with the manager(store manager?). http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/13616.html |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse added to the Pro-Gun Biz List. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse added to the Pro-Gun Biz List. Black Bear Diner at 955 Black Lake Blvd. SW Olympia, WA 98502. Been there twice OCing, once with 4 of us for several hours. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: just_a_car wrote:Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse added to the Pro-Gun Biz List. Hate to say it, Bear, but please read the first post and the stuff I wrote there about what qualifies to be put on any of the lists. What you're describing is exactly what I said would Not get on the list... unless there's something you've left out. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:just_a_car wrote:Jimmy Mac's Roadhouse added to the Pro-Gun Biz List. Ok I will check with corporate. But I've carried in Oregon at 2 down there with no issues also. |
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kenshin Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: kenshin wrote:Hey, add USbank and Rainier Pacific Bank. Corporate policies for both. Called and verified with corporate at each company. Was also kicked out of each and received notarized letters saying I would be trespassed if I returned. Rainier Pac went to the extra effort to also send a copy to the local PD. How charming of them. I haven't been back since. They must not want customers. Sorry just_a_car, didn't mean to sound pushy. "Please" add them. If you check This Thread you'll see that I was the one they sent that certified letter to. I have since been able to talk with the manager of the department that sent the letter. I was told that it was in fact corporate policy to forbid firearms of anykind. I just haven't gotten to posting it there yet. Same deal with Rainier Pac, spoke with the head of Security in Washington, a Mr. Carl York. We actually had a pleasant conversation where he aknowledged our rights to OC, etc., etc. but when it came down to bank property it was a no-go. I understand that I don't have much clout on here yet, so add them or not. Just letting you know of my experiences. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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kenshin wrote: just_a_car wrote:kenshin wrote:Hey, add USbank and Rainier Pacific Bank. Corporate policies for both. Called and verified with corporate at each company. Was also kicked out of each and received notarized letters saying I would be trespassed if I returned. Rainier Pac went to the extra effort to also send a copy to the local PD. How charming of them. I haven't been back since. They must not want customers. I wouldn't believe a word out of the local yokels. I would actually contact the real corporate headquarters and get it from the horse's mouth. Locals will lie to cover up their frickin' over reaction and mistakes. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: I wouldn't believe a word out of the local yokels. I would actually contact the real corporate headquarters and get it from the horse's mouth. Locals will lie to cover up their frickin' over reaction and mistakes. I'll give a +1 to contacting the full-on corporate offices, as they're the be-all, end-all when it comes to policy for the stores. But, since you've gone as high as local head of security for Ranier Pac, that is good enough for the Watch List, but I still don't see anything from the US Bank thread that says you got anything but that BS letter from the schmuck that is likely a mall ninja at US Bank. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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I currently have an e-mail in to Kroger. They are the parent corporation for Albertson's, Fred Meyer, QFC & others. I'll post the results when I receive them. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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I've OC'd in the Fredies in Shelton and Olympia and never even been spoken too. But my opinion of Krogers is so low as to be way negative. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: I've OC'd in the Fredies in Shelton and Olympia and never even been spoken too. But my opinion of Krogers is so low as to be way negative. I bank with Alaska USA. The branch I use is located inside a QFC, so I thought it might be interesting to find out what their corporate policy is. The people at the branch know me and said they have no problem with it but would have to honor store policy. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: I currently have an e-mail in to Kroger. They are the parent corporation for Albertson's, Fred Meyer, QFC & others. I'll post the results when I receive them. I have never been hassled in any of the Albertson's or QFC's that I've OC'd in. I've specifically had positive encounters at one of my local QFC's where I got to hand out a pamphlet to an employee who asked about it. I haven't had the chance to OC in Freddy's more than once and it was a non-event. Though, we do have an old case of some rogue-manager calling the cops on a member here at a Fred Meyer's. Edit: Here's the one I was talking about. Happened in May and we're still waiting on a "verdict" from Corporate: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=10581 Last edited on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 09:18 am by just_a_car |
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Bookman Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Bookman wrote:I currently have an e-mail in to Kroger. They are the parent corporation for Albertson's, Fred Meyer, QFC & others. I'll post the results when I receive them. It seems that nothing was ever really determined. Hopefully they'll be a bit more diligent in answering my e-mail than they they were in returning his phone call. I did get an e-mail back saying they're looking at it now. |
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Hi I've been reading the forum for a while since my friend Geoff told me about this site. I am a manager in a restaurant I'm not going to say witch one, and have ad 2 run ins with people with carrying permits, one was a misunderstanding a family was a little concerned about a group of guys with guns in the restaurant and i asked them to please cover them or put them in their cars they thought i was kicking them out. now i have no problem with people carrying guns hell i have a permit to carry concealed myself but i realize that some people are afraid of guns i accept that thats why i have a lock box bolted in to my trunk. that said The other incident happened tonight a guy came into my restaurant drunk and started arguing with some teenagers and being teenagers they were smart asses back. i told the kids to knock it off and they did but the guy kept pushing it, i asked him to stop and he said (and this is th problem i have) that he felt like strangling one of them but he didn't have to he carries a gun and should just shoot the kid. when i told him to leave he started spouting off about how he has he right to carry anywhere he wants and im infringing on his rights and blah blah blah he even came back and threw the carriers rights page from this website and said he was going to post that the company i work for doesn't allow guns. you have a permit go ahead carry on my shift i wont speak for the other managers but i don't mind (that said we don't allow people to carry into our bars). but you threaten my employees or customers and i wont have you in my restaurant and i sure hope you guys would agree with me. now the point im trying to make is... people like this guy give the rest of us a bad name just because you can carry doesn't mean you can threaten people. and in my opinion (and it will probably be the unpopular vote) if you are OC'ing and someone asks you to cover or put it away yes they are wrong but don't flip out on them and start yelling about your rights I've seen it happen almost every time. because when you do you just give them the image that all carriers are willing to fly off the handle at a moments notice and guess what that gives us a bad name as well. ok ill get off my high horse and please let me know what you think. Last edited on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 01:30 pm by gramercyk35 |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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First of all, welcome to OCDO, glad you had the ability to sign up and post here about your experience. Even if you are not into OC at the moment, I hope you stick around and learn some more, especially that this person you speak of does NOT constitute the mindset of the people that OC on this forum, but is an aberration. I understand that given that encounter, you may think CC is the only acceptable option in your restaurant, but I hope that as you stick around long enough, you will begin to realize that OC is not a threat to anyone, and that we are generally some of the nicer, more respectable people you may have that patronize your establishment, if you let us. We have had several meets over the couple years I've been OCing, and while people may start out a bit nervous, we usually take the opportunity to educate and make sure people understand what OC is about, and that there is nothing to fear from honest, good people carrying weapons for the defense of themselves and others. I've had a couple encounters where I was asked to CC instead of OC; I explained my position and talked to the person in charge at the establishment about OC, and in most situations, that removes any issues with my OC, and puts a positive note in that person's mind about OC, and the respect and decency in with OCers show others, even when they are being disagreed with. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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gramercyk35 wrote: Hi I've been reading the forum for a while since my friend Geoff told me about this site. I am a manager in a restaurant I'm not going to say witch one, and have ad 2 run ins with people with carrying permits, one was a misunderstanding a family was a little concerned about a group of guys with guns in the restaurant and i asked them to please cover them or put them in their cars they thought i was kicking them out. now i have no problem with people carrying guns hell i have a permit to carry concealed myself but i realize that some people are afraid of guns i accept that thats why i have a lock box bolted in to my trunk. that said The other incident happened tonight a guy came into my restaurant drunk and started arguing with some teenagers and being teenagers they were smart asses back. i told the kids to knock it off and they did but the guy kept pushing it, i asked him to stop and he said (and this is th problem i have) that he felt like strangling one of them but he didn't have to he carries a gun and should just shoot the kid. when i told him to leave he started spouting off about how he has he right to carry anywhere he wants and im infringing on his rights and blah blah blah he even came back and threw the carriers rights page from this website and said he was going to post that the company i work for doesn't allow guns. you have a permit go ahead carry on my shift i wont speak for the other managers but i don't mind (that said we don't allow people to carry into our bars). but you threaten my employees or customers and i wont have you in my restaurant and i sure hope you guys would agree with me. What I think is you are so wrong on so many counts with your attitude, that you are the problem and not the solution. You infringe on peoples rights to defend themselves because of someone else's gun phobia. That does not help and is in violation of the spirit and words of the 2nd Amendment and the Washington State Constitution. Hiding guns does nothing to change the public's perception of guns and who carry them. If this is what you are going to spout on here, you won't get favorable reviews here. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: What I think is you are so wrong on so many counts with your attitude, that you are the problem and not the solution. You infringe on peoples rights to defend themselves because of someone else's gun phobia. That does not help and is in violation of the spirit and words of the 2nd Amendment and the Washington State Constitution. Hiding guns does nothing to change the public's perception of guns and who carry them. If this is what you are going to spout on here, you won't get favorable reviews here. Fred, lay off. I know who this is and we've discussed OC before and I know where he stands. He's one of the good guys. That being said, he's brought a story to us from personal experience that we otherwise wouldn't have. Are you upset he's bringing us information? Now, with regard to the gentleman in the story, A) he was drunk, which isn't illegal unless you're being disorderly, which he was B) he threatened someone, which is a crime C) he threatened the use of a firearm, which is another crime in and of itself and D) he did this all together Drunk + Carrying Gun = Yet Another crime. So, my question to you gramercyk35, is... why didn't you call the cops? This guy is a criminal at least three times over and should have been hauled away and had any gun rights he thought he had stripped from him like the clothes on a drug runner going through airport security. I think, before you start questioning the carry crowd (both CC and OC), you need to think about how you react to situations like this. The man was threatening someone's life, plain and simple, regardless of being drunk... hell, that could make him more prone to acting on the threats. If you weren't willing to call the cops and the drunk did pull out a gun and start shooting the kids, would you hope that someone like me or another legal carrier of a firearm would be there to stop him? Cuz, God knows the cops are available in your area, but there's no way they're going to get there before he's able to off every one of the kids. Just something to think about. Hope you keep posting on here. |
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just_a_car wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote: I really have to agree with this on all counts. That being said, welcome to the boards gramercy, I hope you stick around. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:What I think is you are so wrong on so many counts with your attitude, that you are the problem and not the solution. You infringe on peoples rights to defend themselves because of someone else's gun phobia. That does not help and is in violation of the spirit and words of the 2nd Amendment and the Washington State Constitution. Hiding guns does nothing to change the public's perception of guns and who carry them. If this is what you are going to spout on here, you won't get favorable reviews here. Not when he requires people to cover up because of someones irrational phobia, but doesn't call the cops when he should have. That helps no one and as far as I'm concerned is wrong. If I was the threatened party I wouldn't be back to eat there because he did nothing to protect them and on top of that, this is exactly the type of guy who would wait outside for the party he assaulted to carry on the assault or even escalate the situation. Your claim that he is one of the good guy is not supported by his actions, which always speak louder than words, your friend or not. |
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gramercyk35 Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: gramercyk35 wrote:Hi I've been reading the forum for a while since my friend Geoff told me about this site. I am a manager in a restaurant I'm not going to say witch one, and have ad 2 run ins with people with carrying permits, one was a misunderstanding a family was a little concerned about a group of guys with guns in the restaurant and i asked them to please cover them or put them in their cars they thought i was kicking them out. now i have no problem with people carrying guns hell i have a permit to carry concealed myself but i realize that some people are afraid of guns i accept that thats why i have a lock box bolted in to my trunk. that said The other incident happened tonight a guy came into my restaurant drunk and started arguing with some teenagers and being teenagers they were smart asses back. i told the kids to knock it off and they did but the guy kept pushing it, i asked him to stop and he said (and this is th problem i have) that he felt like strangling one of them but he didn't have to he carries a gun and should just shoot the kid. when i told him to leave he started spouting off about how he has he right to carry anywhere he wants and im infringing on his rights and blah blah blah he even came back and threw the carriers rights page from this website and said he was going to post that the company i work for doesn't allow guns. you have a permit go ahead carry on my shift i wont speak for the other managers but i don't mind (that said we don't allow people to carry into our bars). but you threaten my employees or customers and i wont have you in my restaurant and i sure hope you guys would agree with me. I'm sorry but I'm not sure you understand what i was saying or Maybe I'm not understanding you. as i said i don't have a problem with people carrying guns and i don't have a problem with people saying no if asked to put them away. I have a problem with people who open carry and use the fact that they carry to intimidate and make threats to others its not right that if someone calls you an old man you threaten to blow their head off, and if thats what you consider defending yourself then I'm glad i don't know you personally because i can be a smart ass at times and i don't want to get shot for it. I also have a problem with people who when asked to put away scream at the people asking. you know the saying you catch more bees with honey than vinegar it kind of applies here. I was on my way to a competition last month and had my competition piece on my hip I realized that i didn't have my sun glasses and ran into target in northgate to get a pair a security guard came up and said i couldn't carry a gun in the store the second he said it he took 2 steps back because he thought i was about to start yelling at him. i explained the situation and showed him my permit and he was cool with it. i went in got my sunglasses and 2 weeks later he joined my marksmanship team. so how am i the problem by saying threatening people with your gun gives us a bad name. and by saying that yelling at people who don't fully understand the law gives us a bad name. I didn't fully understand the law my self once and my friend Geoff instead of yelling at me for asking him to cover up in my restaurant sat their and explained in a calm voice the law and showed me documents proving his statements. because of that he is allowed in any restaurant i work in, hell he can bring in a box of guns and clean them on the table for all i care but if he had yelled at me for asking and started yelling about his rights i would have just kicked him out right there not for carrying but for causing a disturbance in my place of business and i wouldn't have learned anything and i wouldn't have made a new friend as cheesy as that sounds. as far as the threats go he said it to me outside the restaurant he didnt say it to the kids and you guys are right i should have called the cops but as you said they wouldn't be there in time Last edited on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 06:56 pm by gramercyk35 |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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+1 gramercyk35 I agree completely.......sounds like you will fit in just fine around here....just avoid the Bear, it's not worth arguing with him......he has his opinion and it's worth only as much as you think it is....... |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Again, your actions were not what your words are saying. You handled both situations wrong for a pro-gun guy. The upset family should have had it explained to them that the OCers were legal and within their rights and were no threat to anyone, instead you went after the legal gun carriers to cover up to appease the phobia, instead of dealing with the family's phobia. On the other situation you didn't call the cops, which was wrong as they guy need to be arrested, but again you did it nothing more than remove the guy. This kind of person does no one any good and is exactly the sort to wait in ambush outside, for the family or you for that matter. Again your actions don't back up your words. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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compmanio365 wrote: +1 gramercyk35 +100 |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Again, your actions were not what your words are saying. You handled both situations wrong for a pro-gun guy. The upset family should have had it explained to them that the OCers were legal and within their rights and were no threat to anyone, instead you went after the legal gun carriers to cover up to appease the phobia, instead of dealing with the family's phobia. On the other situation you didn't call the cops, which was wrong as they guy need to be arrested, but again you did it nothing more than remove the guy. This kind of person does no one any good and is exactly the sort to wait in ambush outside, for the family or you for that matter. Again your actions don't back up your words. Yeah, avoid Bear because he doesn't tolerate those that say one thing and do another. Crap, you guys can't even see that he says he is pro gun but his actions in the first instance was anti gun and in the second instance was even worst to make gun people look bad. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Mishandling a situation doesn't make him a BG Mr. Perfection. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: Mishandling a situation doesn't make him a BG Mr. Perfection. It makes his pro-gun claim a bit flimsy. Next you are gonna believe that obama is pro-gun because he claims to support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Get hosed for buying proaganda. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Being uneducated about a topic makes you ignorant, not anti. Ignorance can be cured...if you'll stop abusing people long enough for them to hang around and learn. You're driving them off and giving them the wrong opinion of ALL OCers. Wouldn't you rather have them learn the facts? As for Obama, change is bad...at least in his case. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: Being uneducated about a topic makes you ignorant, not anti. Ignorance can be cured...if you'll stop abusing people long enough for them to hang around and learn. And just how the hell did I abuse anyone? I just flat out stated the facts of the situation from his own words and then you abuse me for telling the truth. Get real for 2 seconds and look at the truth of the situation. All I did was point out that his words were not supported by his actions and now, according to you, this is abuse. You need to step back into the real world. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Bear, you abuse most of the people on here when they disagree with you. I constantly picture you with a red face, spit flying as you yell at the computer screen. Often it's not so much what you say as how you say it. You lack tact. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: Bear, you abuse most of the people on here when they disagree with you. I constantly picture you with a red face, spit flying as you yell at the computer screen. Your imagination is not my problem, but then it is yours. You avoided my question, "How did I abuse the OP?" Since you won't answer, then it appears you are in fact the abuser in this case by accusing me of something I have not done. All I did was state the truth. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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"What I think is you are so wrong on so many counts with your attitude, that you are the problem and not the solution. You infringe on peoples rights to defend themselves because of someone else's gun phobia. That does not help and is in violation of the spirit and words of the 2nd Amendment and the Washington State Constitution. Hiding guns does nothing to change the public's perception of guns and who carry them. If this is what you are going to spout on here, you won't get favorable reviews here." This reads like a personal attack, not an attempt to educate. Like I said, you lack tact. Next question? Last edited on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 08:59 pm by Bookman |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: "What I think is you are so wrong on so many counts with your attitude, that you are the problem and not the solution. You infringe on peoples rights to defend themselves because of someone else's gun phobia. That does not help and is in violation of the spirit and words of the 2nd Amendment and the Washington State Constitution. Hiding guns does nothing to change the public's perception of guns and who carry them. If this is what you are going to spout on here, you won't get favorable reviews here." I wasn't aware that the truth required tact. You be PC if it suits you, but don't tell me I have to be PC, as it is a tool of the left to keep people from telling the truth, because it might hurt someones feeling. Just where in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights does it guarantee your feelings wont be hurt? You are a bigot by the way, you assume if I say something, I am wrong. Once again you still haven't answered the question, specifically. Where did I do other than tell the truth from his own words? |
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Bookman Regular Member
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A personal attack IS abusive. I agree with what you said, just not how you said it. You remind me of a preacher I once heard speak out against homosexuality by saying "Burn the wimps. Don't burn the flag". There's a better way to get people to listen besides taking them to task for their ignorance. This is the last I have to say about this. You will probably consider yourself the "winner" of this difference of opinion, but neither of us has convinced the other and probably never will.. We've gotten a long way off the original topic, and I take partial responsibility for that, so I'm just going to drop it. BTW - I want you to know that I still respect your knowledge and have learned a few things from you. I thank you for that. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: A personal attack IS abusive. I agree with what you said, just not how you said it. You remind me of a preacher I once heard speak out against homosexuality by saying "Burn the wimps. Don't burn the flag". There's a better way to get people to listen besides taking them to task for their ignorance. The only personal attack is your's on me. The truth is not and can never be an attack, it is only the truth. The only attack has been by you on me. You ignore the facts and attack me for stating the truth. You are as two faced as the op is. That is probably why you are reacting this way. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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As you wish, O mighty God of Truth. Think what you want. You will anyway. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: As you wish, O mighty God of Truth. Think what you want. You will anyway. The facts speak for themselves. You just wish to ignore them. Don't be blaming me for your refusal to accept them. If you don't recognize it, your last jab is an attack, again. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Yes, it was. How does it feel? |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: Yes, it was. How does it feel? Sonny, your jabs don't even phase me. I have a thicker skin than that. Only a wussy runs around getting his feelings hurt by the those that disagree with them. Those who go thru life looking to be offended, will most assuredly get offended. I hope you and the op are happy together. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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Hahahahahahahaha! You think I take you seriously? Pushing your buttons today is the most fun I've had in a long time. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Bookman wrote: Hahahahahahahaha! You think I take you seriously? Pushing your buttons today is the most fun I've had in a long time. Is that the best you can do? |
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Bookman Regular Member
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What? You want me to prove my penis is bigger than yours? I don't have to. I'm happy with what I have and don't have to engage in Alpha Male contests to prove my manhood. Last edited on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 09:56 pm by Bookman |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Again, your actions were not what your words are saying. You handled both situations wrong for a pro-gun guy. The upset family should have had it explained to them that the OCers were legal and within their rights and were no threat to anyone, instead you went after the legal gun carriers to cover up to appease the phobia, instead of dealing with the family's phobia. On the other situation you didn't call the cops, which was wrong as they guy need to be arrested, but again you did it nothing more than remove the guy. This kind of person does no one any good and is exactly the sort to wait in ambush outside, for the family or you for that matter. Again your actions don't back up your words. Well "BEAR" you are right, at the time of the first incident i was not very pro gun i owned one for competition only, been doing it since i was 10 but wasn't really into it i was doing it because it was something my father and i could do together. that was until i met J A C and he "SHOWED ME THE LIGHT" so to speak. I made a bad call the first time. I made a bad judgment call the second time by not calling the police so shoot me .all 3 of the kids were cops kids who had snuck out, after the incident i drove them home. i would rather piss off one guy than ostracize every teenager who sneaks out and comes to my restaurant because at least in my place i know their not out up to no good. and I don't care if you don't agree with me or hate me for it, oh by the way where were YOU last night? Were you in my restaurant? before you get pissed that was a joke. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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gramercyk35 wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:Again, your actions were not what your words are saying. You handled both situations wrong for a pro-gun guy. The upset family should have had it explained to them that the OCers were legal and within their rights and were no threat to anyone, instead you went after the legal gun carriers to cover up to appease the phobia, instead of dealing with the family's phobia. On the other situation you didn't call the cops, which was wrong as they guy need to be arrested, but again you did it nothing more than remove the guy. This kind of person does no one any good and is exactly the sort to wait in ambush outside, for the family or you for that matter. Again your actions don't back up your words. Wow, another honest man. You sir have my admiration. Your clarification says a lot about you. I was only using the facts as presented by you in your first post. At this point I'm not sure how to say this without offending you, but with this clarification, Welcome and I wish you the best. FYI, I never hated you and never said that either. No, I wasn't in your restaurant last night, but now I wish I was, it would appear I missed a good time. |
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jbone Regular Member
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Cabelas and OC, Just in case found this on a Michigan post from corp office. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/15653.html |
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DAMN and i thought my run with Lonnie was entertaining......... I take my hat off to you BEAR you got me beat hands down............ |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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jarhead1055 wrote: DAMN and i thought my run with Lonnie was entertaining......... More years of experience!  |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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jarhead1055 wrote: DAMN and i thought my run with Lonnie was entertaining......... More years of experience! |
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I would like to add Elliot Bay Brewery and Pub at Alaska Junction in West Seattle to the list. I usually CC in there but one hot day a couple months ago I OCed while my better half and I ate. It took a bit longer than expected to get service and after a few minutes the owner came over and asked if I was LEO. I said no and he asked why I was carrying. I explained that WA was on OC state and he said that he had a sign over the bar that said no firearms. When I explained that that referred to the area that was labled '21 and over' and explained the way the laws were writen he was cool with it. We got our normal great service and everybody was happy. He said the only reason he didn't harass me was because we were regulars. But I think if you're not looking like a hoodlum they should be friendly toward OCers now. Marcus PS, if you want some kick butt burgers and awesome beer, go to Elliot Bay Brewery. |
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Been reading some threads from Utah. Apparently, we need to add Mormon churches to the DNP list.... http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum52/8956.html |
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Triple Tap Regular Member
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Like that surprises me, you cant even build a building higher than the church by state law. As the Church is to tower over all. |
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Hey guys- Sorry I've been gone a while. I've been busy from working, school, etc... As far as pro gun businesses; Columbia Gun Rack in Kennewick, WA and Target Shop in Walla Walla, WA are both OC friendly, surprise, suprise...(They're both gun stores in case you couldn't guess) OC at Sharp Shooting in Spokane will get you yelled at unless they know you (basically if they know you're cool they don't mind you OCing unloaded if you're coming to shoot at the range). Just go in unarmed first and ask- I had to one time when I didn't have a case. The whole staff there OCs or CCs, so it's pretty safe. I haven't run into issues in any gun store in ID or Eastern WA that doesn't have a shooting range attached. Anti; as surprising as this is the little grocery store in Dixie, WA (Dixie Grocery, 10 miles east of Walla Walla and at any given time usually 10-20 min away from police resonse) will kick you out if you OC in there. I looked at the gal like she was on crack whn she told me to leave. I'll be laughing when they get robbed... Last edited on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 04:48 am by tanman |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Hey buddy, sharp shooting is not pro OC. Unfortunately that one is firmly on the books which sucks because I knew a couple of the guys working there and they were well aware of the fact that I carried loaded guns in all the time (mainly CC) but robin is the boss and she is the one who doesn't like OC... nor do a few of the guys working there now that I think about it. |
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tanman Regular Member
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Roger, I'll play their game for capitalist reasons though... Give me a call if you wanna know exactly what I mean. So they don't have a problem with loaded CC? |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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They don't like it, but if they don't know/if they know you pretty well you should be alright... that being said it isn't a good idea. |
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I dont know if you wanted to add this to your list or not but I was taking patient to Saint Joseph hospital in tacoma and they clearly had no firearms signs posted all over |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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fire suppressor wrote: I dont know if you wanted to add this to your list or not but I was taking patient to Saint Joseph hospital in tacoma and they clearly had no firearms signs posted all over Medical Facilities that have established Gun free Zones & have it posted that I have visited. State Wide: Group Health Cooperative centers Tacoma: Tacoma General Mary Bridge Childrens (Tacoma) St. Joseph Medical Center Allenmore St. Claire Seattle: Swedish MC Childrens RMC Harborview Virginia Mason Spokane: Valley Sacred Heart & Childrens MC |
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tanman Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: They don't like it, but if they don't know/if they know you pretty well you should be alright... that being said it isn't a good idea. Yeah, and like I mentioned, they're all packing. It's private property, so that's their right. I get the impression it's mainly to keep themselves from getting complacent about people coming through the door with guns that are ready to fire. I was in there one time and a guy came through the door with a long gun in his hands, everyone dropped what they were doing, spread out with good sectors and figured out what was going on. Once he wasn't a threat they all went back to business as usual. I can't remember if you were with me or it was Brockdaddy, but I think one of you were. IMHO, its like a courthouse- if a shootout happens, it's better if only guys that know each other or are wearing uniforms are actively involved. That cuts down on the risk of friendly fire. It's not like they are creating a gun free zone that says "come rob us." As long as a place is crawling with armed guys I'm not worried about, I can live with it. Bars and schools/"no guns allowed (and we don't carry)" zones are another matter, however. |
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tanman wrote: Shy_Panda wrote:They don't like it, but if they don't know/if they know you pretty well you should be alright... that being said it isn't a good idea. If they have a problem with my OC, I have a problem with giving them my business. Period. Death by degrees, gentlemen......I refuse to play that game. |
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tanman wrote: I get the impression it's mainly to keep themselves from getting complacent about people coming through the door with guns that are ready to fire. I was in there one time and a guy came through the door with a long gun in his hands, everyone dropped what they were doing, spread out with good sectors and figured out what was going on. Once he wasn't a threat they all went back to business as usual. One range I used to frequent in Santa Clara, California was the site of an attempted "suicide by range staff" - the guy was off his nut, and so went into the range, rented a gun, and tried to shoot people. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/07/07/MN79118.DTL However, Stevens was thwarted when an employee pulled a .45-caliber Glock from underneath his shirt and fired twice, striking Stevens in the chest. |
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tanman Regular Member
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One range I used to frequent in Santa Clara, California was the site of an attempted "suicide by range staff" - the guy was off his nut, and so went into the range, rented a gun, and tried to shoot people. "and tried to shoot people" |
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Triple Tap Regular Member
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And how'd this guy survive 2 shots to the chest with a .45 ? Guy got lucky. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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mvpel wrote: tanman wrote:I get the impression it's mainly to keep themselves from getting complacent about people coming through the door with guns that are ready to fire. I was in there one time and a guy came through the door with a long gun in his hands, everyone dropped what they were doing, spread out with good sectors and figured out what was going on. Once he wasn't a threat they all went back to business as usual. And a no OC or CC on the range would have prevented this, HOW? |
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tanman Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: mvpel wrote:tanman wrote:I get the impression it's mainly to keep themselves from getting complacent about people coming through the door with guns that are ready to fire. I was in there one time and a guy came through the door with a long gun in his hands, everyone dropped what they were doing, spread out with good sectors and figured out what was going on. Once he wasn't a threat they all went back to business as usual. It won't. Disarming the whole joint is a bad idea- period. Using a no OC/CC policy to distinguish hostile/non-hostile can work, but if there's only one guy working as many ranges have, it's a stupid idea. That's probably why bullseye in tac town doesn't mind it (last time I was there in early 07). If there's 5 or 6 guys armed in a shop, that signifiganly cuts down on the possibility of a shooting spree being successful. Anyone think they can take down 5 or 6 guys who train as much as they want alone (as most rampage shooters are)? I wouldn't wanna try that wiith two guys unless we were ambushing and could see every one of them before the first shot. An armed society is a polite society. I didn't say I go in there on a regular basis- mainly for the reason that they ask me to disarm to do so. Occasionally I need to though. Target ID isn't that hard, especially for guys like us (Bear). For those guys though, who may or may not have been out after dark, it does make it easier, preventing complacency. It's not that I agree with it, but it is private property. I didn't say I like it, I just understand it. Guys- vote with your feet if you are so inclined- as we do to all unarmed establishments. All I'm saying is that they're different than hippies who hate guns and think that if they pretend that they don't exist, no one will misuse one in their presence. I've got more problems with disarming to go in the @#$%ing post office than with doing so at sharp shooting. Again- its private property gentlemen, they can and should be able to do what they want with it. If I were to decide to burn my boots and medals and melt down my guns (or say no one can bring any on my property)- is that not my right? Not that my rights could not then be more easily trampled...but it is still my right... Last edited on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 01:08 am by tanman |
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I attempted to attended the Starlite Swap meet today as I have done most weekends this summer. As we were walking through the parking lot I was approached by security. I was asked the usual "are you a LEO?' I told him no. He said I had to hang on a minute. He contacted his supervisor and asked the policy on weapons and was told No Firearms. I asked does this mean CC as well? The reply back was No Weapons. As a crowd of folks were walking by I was told I could lock it in my vehicle and I would be ok. I asked to speak to the manager and was told I would have to disarm to go to his office. I will go over one day when I know a ton of folks do not know I am locking up a weapon in my truck. So at this point Starlite Swap Meet does not allow weapons. |
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Nebulis01 Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: fire suppressor wrote:I dont know if you wanted to add this to your list or not but I was taking patient to Saint Joseph hospital in tacoma and they clearly had no firearms signs posted all over You can add anyone associated with the Sisters of Providence to this list. (e.g. Providence Colby or Pacific Campus, Providence Regional Cancer Partnership). It's an organization wide thing so any of their campuses in AK, WA, OR, ID, CA ban firearms. Everett: Western Washington Medical Group (not posted, against company policy) The Everett Clinic (don't know if posted, against company policy) Monroe: Valley General Hospital (part of sisters of prov. It's posted on the main entrance, they also don't allow "illegal" blades over 3.5") |
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the medical clinic at the port of tacoma has a no firearms sign posted. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I want to apologize for not getting the list updated with all this new stuff. I've been rather busy with real life stuff and just haven't gotten around to it. Also, it would make it a lot easier for me if you could include the address and the city (I don't need the zip code or state, that's kinda pointless) so that I can include that in the list as I have for every other entry. -JAC |
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Bookman Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: I want to apologize for not getting the list updated with all this new stuff. I've been rather busy with real life stuff and just haven't gotten around to it. What real life stuff? This IS your real life! Seriously, you update when and if you have time. We appreciate the time you put into this list. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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When I wrote this post I intended it to go on this thread but through my own inattention it went on as a completely new thread. So the post below is a duplication, but at least it's now in the intended place. Sorry 'bout that.  A couple weeks ago we started a thread announcing a get-together in Bellingham for Whatcom County OC'ers. A couple places were considered, primarily the Denny's in Bellingham on Meridian near I-5. We agreed that we would attempt to clear OC'ing with management beforehand to avoid an unpleasant surprise the morning of the meeting. On Friday Oct 3 I went to that location, and the report I posted to the thread on the get-together is pasted below in italics. I was in Bellingham this morning for several errands and while there I stopped in at Denny's. I had breakfast, OC'ing. No one said a word, mostly because I don't think anyone noticed, but the cashier gave a startled look as I was paying my tab. I asked to speak to the manager and got the asst. mgr. I asked her if I need to make a reservation for (?) 6-8 people who, just incidentally will be OC'ing. She told a story about an incident with an OC'er and a family sitting across from him. Police were called and the cops escorted the guy out of the place. (I didn't get any more details, and I have no idea if the guy was from OpenCarry.org.) This was a real hot potato, and she quickly passed the buck to the manager, a guy named Lynn, who happened not to be there at the moment. She gave me his phone # and said he'd be in in about an hour. I just got off the phone with Lynn, who also passed the buck to his Area Manager. He will be calling me back after consulting with the boss. This is quickly getting to a significant level and I think will ultimately decide the status of all Denny's in the Northwest vis-a-vis our DNP list. If his answer is No, we'll have to try Shari's for our get-together. Either way, I'll post a report on the DNP thread. The manager, Lynn, called me back Saturday morning and said his answer was NO but offered an alternative as I posted: Well, it's back to Square One. I just got the call from the Meridian Denny's manager and his answer was No, BUT here was his "wonderful" offer: the Mount Vernon store has a banquet room, and he offered me the phone # of that manager. I said "Do you mean that you want to sequester us in a back room where no one can see us?" Answer: Yes. I told him this would defeat our entire purpose. I said I would make this post for all to see and watch the reaction, which I told him would NOT be favorable. I said No Thanks to the phone number, but IF we agreed I would call him back for it. The decision-maker in this case was the un-named area manager, whose responsibility appears to cover all of Whatcom County and south to Arlington and Mount Vernon. Because Denny's is a franchise operation with differing policies on OC they can't be painted with the same brush nationally or even across Washington. There have been a number of favorable reports about Denny's stores in Redmond and elsewhere in Western WA. But it appears that the Whatcom County stores managed by this area manager are no-gun. This would cover Ferndale, Bellingham, Mount Vernon and Arlington. In view of this development I am suggesting that these four Denny's be put on the DNP list. |
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Bookman Regular Member
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I had lunch with DEROS72 on Friday at the Denny's in Federal Way. I was CC'ing and he was OC'ing. Nothing was said by anyone at any time. |
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Because Denny's is a franchise operation with differing policies on OC they can't be painted with the same brush nationally or even across Washington. There have been a number of favorable reports about Denny's stores in Redmond and elsewhere in Western WA Please re-read my post. This problem appears to be limited to the four stores in Whatcom/Skagit Counties run by a single area manager. |
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Two things Richard: 1. We've rarely (only once before and that was resolved in our favor) had issue with Denny's before this and we've never asked beforehand (yano, kinda like you don't ask if you can bring a group that are all carrying cellphones). 2. You seem to completely miss the point that the person responding was trying to accommodate your group as best they could while still A) allowing you to eat at their restaurant and B) making it a pleasurable dinning experience for all of their patrons, since that's their job. The fact that you made it sound like your goal was to either make a scene or make a political statement doesn't paint a good picture for any manager and I don't blame them for wanting to sequester you away from other patrons. Next time, just ask if they can be ready for a group the size of which you expect to have. If they have a problem with paying customers carrying guns, they'll tell you. Otherwise, don't ask. Oh, and the fact that the manager was stilling willing to allow you to eat there while armed specifically says that they should go on the PRO-GUN BUSINESSES LIST... that's probably not what you were expecting, huh? |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Two things Richard: just: heresolong made pretty much the same point about playing down the gun issue. This all started when he & I met for coffee a few weeks ago and the idea of a local group get-together came up. He started the thread, and in his post of Sept. 24 he mentioned that he would drop by Denny's to "have a chat with the mgr". It just happened that before he could do that I was in the area last Friday and did it myself. So I guess I blew it. I'm not used to doing this kind of negotiations, and from the result, I'm not too good at it. Maybe I should have asked if we would be allowed to carry our cell phones If they have a problem with paying customers carrying guns, they'll tell you. Otherwise, don't ask. Question: Why would they tell me about a problem with guns unless I tell them we would have them? Most people making a reservation don't have guns and wouldn't even mention it: "I'd like to make a reservation for 30 people, and we will NOT be carrying guns" Makes no sense. |
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Richard6218 wrote: If they have a problem with paying customers carrying guns, they'll tell you. Otherwise, don't ask. Question: Why would they tell me about a problem with guns unless I tell them we would have them? Most people making a reservation don't have guns and wouldn't even mention it: "I'd like to make a reservation for 30 people, and we will NOT be carrying guns" Makes no sense.I meant that they'll tell you when you arrive. Just make the reservation or alert them to the group. If they have a problem with you or your group, they'll tell you. It's much easier to say "We don't want you to come here." than to say "We'd like all of you paying customers to leave."... See what I mean? |
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just_a_car wrote: Richard6218 wrote:If they have a problem with paying customers carrying guns, they'll tell you. Otherwise, don't ask. Question: Why would they tell me about a problem with guns unless I tell them we would have them? Most people making a reservation don't have guns and wouldn't even mention it: "I'd like to make a reservation for 30 people, and we will NOT be carrying guns" Makes no sense.I meant that they'll tell you when you arrive. Just make the reservation or alert them to the group. If they have a problem with you or your group, they'll tell you. It's much easier to say "We don't want you to come here." than to say "We'd like all of you paying customers to leave."... See what I mean? aHA!!!  Like, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. |
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Richard6218 wrote: just_a_car wrote:Richard6218 wrote:If they have a problem with paying customers carrying guns, they'll tell you. Otherwise, don't ask. Question: Why would they tell me about a problem with guns unless I tell them we would have them? Most people making a reservation don't have guns and wouldn't even mention it: "I'd like to make a reservation for 30 people, and we will NOT be carrying guns" Makes no sense.I meant that they'll tell you when you arrive. Just make the reservation or alert them to the group. If they have a problem with you or your group, they'll tell you. It's much easier to say "We don't want you to come here." than to say "We'd like all of you paying customers to leave."... See what I mean? That's what my wife the politician says. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I have posted several times on this thread about my running battle with the manager of the Ferndale Haggen's store. To recap the events to-date: I OC'ed there every day from the time I first started carrying, a period of a couple months. One day the store manager, Frank, approached me while I was waiting in line at the pharmacy. He stated that he had had a "number of complaints" about my gun and asked that I please not OC. There was the standard exchange about 2A and the RCW, etc. Since I have to buy groceries somewhere and I really do like Haggen's, I stopped OC'ing in that store. So I just leave the gun under the seat in the car. This first exchange took place in early July and is discussed on the thread: OpenCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > Washington > TWO INCIDENTS of OC harassment against me IN A WEEK --- TOO MUCH FOR ME About a week ago I had a followup discussion with Frank (having learned a lot more about the politics of all this). I said that because there is no sign barring weapons I intended to resume OC'ing. He said that if I do he could trespass me. Check. I asked him about more details about how this all started. He said he had three or four complaints in the space of about ten minutes, all from regular customers. I asked him if he explained to them about Washington law and, he claims, they all told him if they see guns there they won't shop there anymore. I replied that I could very well say the same for the reverse reason. Answer: there are a lot more people who don't have guns than those who do. Checkmate. I asked if this is his personal management policy or if it's a written corporate policy. He speculated that it's a Haggen corporate policy but he needs to look it up. He will have an answer for me next time I go there. PS: In the original thread (above) heresolong said he goes to the same store all the time without incident. I don't know why I seem to be a magnet for this kind of crap and others go about their business and no one notices. Maybe it's my big Glock; who knows. For me personally, Haggen is now off-limits for OC. Because of this exchange with the manager, and pending further development of corporate policy I am recommending the Ferndale Haggen be placed on the Watch List for DNP. I will post a report when I get more details from the manager. |
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Richard6218 wrote: He said he had three or four complaints in the space of about ten minutes, all from regular customers.My guess is that this is an absolute lie. I think most people on the board will agree with me that the vast majority of people don't even notice that you are carrying, let alone make complaints. To have four complaints in ten minutes, unless you were running through the store screaming "look at my gun" is unbelievable.Haggen in Ferndale has a brand new manager, has only been there about three months. My suspicion is that he noticed and that it bugs him for some reason. He can't just say that without looking like a tool so he lies. Plus how would he know they are regular customers. He is brand new. Did he know that you were a regular customer? I am going to contact Haggen corporate myself this week and see if I can get an answer independently of this guy. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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heresolong wrote: Richard6218 wrote:He said he had three or four complaints in the space of about ten minutes, all from regular customers.My guess is that this is an absolute lie. I think most people on the board will agree with me that the vast majority of people don't even notice that you are carrying, let alone make complaints. To have four complaints in ten minutes, unless you were running through the store screaming "look at my gun" is unbelievable.Haggen in Ferndale has a brand new manager, has only been there about three months. My suspicion is that he noticed and that it bugs him for some reason. He can't just say that without looking like a tool so he lies. Here is a totally new development on this (it's been a couple days but I've been BZ with other stuff since then). As I've been doing since my discussion with him a month and a half ago, I parked my car, DISARMED, and went into the store to shop. I noticed Frank was standing out in front, talking on his cell phone. I went about my business as usual, and as I was approaching the beer case I was hailed from behind. It was Frank, with two Ferndale cops in tow. The lead cop, a sergeant, started his speech with some pandering about my rights, etc., then went on about how I was frightening the little old ladies, and I need to stop OC'ing in the store. I interrupted him: Me (pointing to my empty holster): Am I breaking any law? Cop: No, I was just explaining about the problem you've been creating. Me (again interrupting): I haven't carried a weapon here for a month and a half, since a discussion with this manager. Cop: I see that. Me: Then why are we even having this discussion? Cop: I'm outa here. (Keying his microphone: "Code Four") This is a civil matter and I'll let the two of you work it out. Me (addressing Frank): You were going to get me a copy of your corporate policy. Do you have that? Frank: No, but I'll give you the name of someone to call. I went to the checkstand to finish what I came for, and went back to Frank who was still in front of the customer service desk. I let him have it about the people he claimed were complaining, and his duplicity in calling the cops on me for wearing an empty holster. He said that was because I had said I would resume OC'ing because of the lack of a No Firearms sign. But note that in my post about that discussion he countered that statement with his that he could trespass me. I think it was at that time he decided that he would call the cops next time he saw me, regardless. He caused me a lot of embarrassment and public humiliation for NOTHING. This guy is a real weasel. He says he took me at my word ("...you're a man of your word") that I would resume OC'ing, but he didn't bother to check whether I was carrying before he called the cops. Then he failed to do what he had promised me, which was to get a copy of their corporate policy. In the last discussion after the LEO's had left I gave him my name and phone # so their corporate person could call me (probably a mistake) but so far it's been 2 days and I haven't heard from anyone. heresolong, I think you're right about his lying about all the complaints. If you want to call their corporate office, feel free. I wish I could remember the name of the person who was supposed to call me -- Frank mentioned it but names get away from me like water on an open hand. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: heresolong wrote:Richard6218 wrote:He said he had three or four complaints in the space of about ten minutes, all from regular customers.My guess is that this is an absolute lie. I think most people on the board will agree with me that the vast majority of people don't even notice that you are carrying, let alone make complaints. To have four complaints in ten minutes, unless you were running through the store screaming "look at my gun" is unbelievable.Haggen in Ferndale has a brand new manager, has only been there about three months. My suspicion is that he noticed and that it bugs him for some reason. He can't just say that without looking like a tool so he lies. This moron has a boss, probably not at the store but somewhere and you should be speaking with him. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Thanks, Bear./ heresolong goes to the same store and has said he will call corporate, so I'll leave it to him for now. I'm kinda burned out on this. |
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David.Car Regular Member 
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I don't know why you even bothered shopping there. Someone who is going to not support your right to protect yourself, and than will treat you like that when you ARE following his rules... For me after not being allowed to carry, I would have never gone back. After the deal with the police you should have not spent another penny there. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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David.Car wrote: I don't know why you even bothered shopping there. Someone who is going to not support your right to protect yourself, and than will treat you like that when you ARE following his rules... You have hit on my dilemma, right on the head. The only other store nearby (only a block away from Haggen) is Cost Cutter, and (1) I HATE that store, (2) much of a jerk as the manager is, I like Haggen because it has 99% of what I look for in a market; (3) the next nearest store is Freddie's, but that's about 8 miles farther to drive, and (4) I've already been down this same road with Cost Cutter and lost at the corporate level. I've already told Frank I would never spend a dime in his store except for these reasons (I didn't tell him all of them). So there aren't many choices if we are going to insist on enforcing our rights. Most of these stores don't want guns around, period, and they'll use their right to trespass to enforce their anti-gun policies. And I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about it short of volunteering to get arrested to create a test case, which if my guess is right, we would lose. So guys, just stick the gun under the seat and do your shopping and shut up about it. Hate to be this way, but as I see it we've exhausted all our options. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Here's another thought: Does anyone think I might have grounds for a lawsuit against Haggen and that manager for the humiliation they put me through with the LEO situation? Remember, I wasn't even carrying, and here they were hassling me in front of everyone in the store, for what turned out to be NO REASON AT ALL. Serious replies only, please |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: Here's another thought: Does anyone think I might have grounds for a lawsuit against Haggen and that manager for the humiliation they put me through with the LEO situation? Remember, I wasn't even carrying, and here they were hassling me in front of everyone in the store, for what turned out to be NO REASON AT ALL. Serious replies only, please Contact randy and find out. Randy Loun of Loun & Tyner 509-4th Street Suite 6 Bremerton, WA 98337-1401 (360) 377-7678 rloun@hotmail.com |
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HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON SELF EXPLANATORY POSTED TWICE AT THE ENTRANCE [url=javascript:emoticon('  ',%20'images/emoticons/cuss.gif')]document.write('[/url]'); Fist place I recall seeing this in Port Angeles besides the court house Attached Image (viewed 217 times): |
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joeroket Regular Member
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I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Dont' get your shorts in a bunch. RCW 9.41.300(1)(b) allows counties etc. to bar firearms in court and jail facilities. The short version of the section is pasted below; you can click on the link to the section for the full verbiage. I have bold-faced the part that applies to this sign. RCWs > Title 9 > Chapter 9.41 > Section 9.41.300 (1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon: (a) The restricted access areas of a jail, or of a law enforcement facility, or any place used for the confinement of a person (i) arrested for, charged with, or convicted of an offense, (ii) held for extradition or as a material witness, or (iii) otherwise confined pursuant to an order of a court, except an order under chapter 13.32A or 13.34 RCW. Restricted access areas do not include common areas of egress or ingress open to the general public; (b) Those areas in any building which are used in connection with court proceedings, including courtrooms, jury rooms, judge's chambers, offices and areas used to conduct court business, waiting areas, and corridors adjacent to areas used in connection with court proceedings. The restricted areas do not include common areas of ingress and egress to the building that is used in connection with court proceedings, when it is possible to protect court areas without restricting ingress and egress to the building. The restricted areas shall be the minimum necessary to fulfill the objective of this subsection (1)(b). |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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joeroket wrote: I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two. I'm sending a message to Randy Loun with a paste of my description of what happened. If his response is positive I will file a lawsuit against Haggen and the manager. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Second reply: Sorry, I mis-read your post. I thought this was in front of a courthouse but after re-reading, I see it's a gun shop (?). If true, they do have a right to require this as property owners/managers although as a gun shop they certainly aren't making friends with their own clientele. Gun shows do the same, for reasons I didn't think of until I went to a show a couple weeks ago and challenged them. It seems there are the few bozos who carry into a show and pull their weapons to demo it, forgetting it's loaded, and the thing goes off. Somebody gets hurt and the show operator gets sued. Apparently this has happened at shows a number of times, so while I don't really like it because I like to think I'm a responsible gun-owner there are the few morons out there who spoil things for the rest of us. |
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I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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olypendrew wrote: I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service.Someone needs to clue these guys in, and let them know they're out of step with the competition. If they don't go along, ask that they be put on the DNP list. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: olypendrew wrote:I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service.Someone needs to clue these guys in, and let them know they're out of step with the competition. If they don't go along, ask that they be put on the DNP list. They want you money, your politics are of no interest to them. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:Bear, my point was only to get them to get with the program. If they don't want to do that, they stand to lose everyone's business and they will end up on the trash heap. One last chance.....olypendrew wrote:I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service.Someone needs to clue these guys in, and let them know they're out of step with the competition. If they don't go along, ask that they be put on the DNP list. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:olypendrew wrote:I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service.Someone needs to clue these guys in, and let them know they're out of step with the competition. If they don't go along, ask that they be put on the DNP list. Politics ??? This isn't about politics, it's about their stupid business decisions that are alienating their own customers. All I was saying was that they need to reconsider this decision, and if they don't they will suffer the consequences of the marketplace. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:Richard6218 wrote:olypendrew wrote:I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service.Someone needs to clue these guys in, and let them know they're out of step with the competition. If they don't go along, ask that they be put on the DNP list. But that is the point is. Their decision to deny OC or CC of loaded firearms is being PC and that's politics at it's worst. |
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Granum Regular Member
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when they open on monday I'll ask the people at Doc Neeley's Cowboy Guns and Gear if they would be good with people oc/cc in theyr store. I hope we can mark them as a Gun friendly store. "seeing how there a gun shop" |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:Bear 45/70 wrote:Richard6218 wrote:olypendrew wrote:I saw the same post at Hi-Caliber guns my first time there, just 2 days ago. I won't be back, especially after finding Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear on 8th in downtown PA, where this is no offensive signage, and very friendly and helpful service.Someone needs to clue these guys in, and let them know they're out of step with the competition. If they don't go along, ask that they be put on the DNP list. Roger that  . BUT I think it may be worthwhile to tell them their clientele don't like their policies (that is, unless the store is absolutely a lousy place to begin with). If they don't want to get with the program the marketplace will exact its consequences. Then they can't claim they haven't been forewarned. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Granum wrote: when they open on monday I'll ask the people at Doc Neeley's Cowboy Guns and Gear if they would be good with people oc/cc in theyr store. I hope we can mark them as a Gun friendly store. This isn't direct at just you, Granum, but you are included.... Why the hell does everyone (especially new members) think it's such a great idea to go around asking places if it's okay if they OC there?! WHAT THE HELL?! People... most businesses are businesses because they want to do one thing: make money. If you're spending money and not making a scene, they probably are neutral to your OC. IF A BUSINESS (NO MATTER WHAT KIND) HAS A PROBLEM WITH YOUR OC, THEY'LL TELL YOU... OTHERWISE DON'T ASK. |
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Granum Regular Member
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first i was going to see if they responded well to my oc in their store. i wasn't going to start off by blatantly asking if oc was ok because thats just a way to get the whole politics discussion going. i've been oc in port angeles about 40% of the time and cc the rest of the time before i became a member of this site. i never had an issue with anybody so far until hi caliber guns. last time i was at hi caliber service was lousy and no one would help my wife with any questions she had simply because she was never exposed to them before that time. i wanted to see if the people at doc's would support this site to put up the gun rights pamphlet. in order to do that i would have to ask their opinions to get a feel for it before asking if they would help supply pamphlets. otherwise no way would i ask until confronted. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Granum wrote: HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON I'd like to point out that the picture you posted doesn't qualify for any of our lists... they don't bar you from entering with your firearms. Those gunstores that have made it onto the lists have earned such usually because of the manner and attitude with which the employee/owner acted towards the OC'er. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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trevorthebusdriver wrote: Been reading some threads from Utah. Apparently, we need to add Mormon churches to the DNP list.... A church is a private property, not a business (as much as some might debate such). Thus, there is no reason to place them on the DNP List. It's as if a homeowner who allowed anyone to come into his house decided to bar your entry depending on certain things, such as firearms possession... it's their right to do so, as it's their property. The intent of the DNP List and Pro-Gun Biz List is to help us spend our hard-earned money with those businesses that allow us to exercise our human rights. By adding the Mormon churches, you're essentially trying to say anyone that's Mormon shouldn't go to church if they carry a firearm... not that they shouldn't vote for them with their dollar. |
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Nebulis01 wrote: M1Gunr wrote:fire suppressor wrote:I dont know if you wanted to add this to your list or not but I was taking patient to Saint Joseph hospital in tacoma and they clearly had no firearms signs posted all over Before I go adding this enormous list of hospitals, I'd like to know if any or all of these receive state money/funding and thus, are likely subject to RCW 9.41.290. If that's the case, they shouldn't be placed on the DNP List... they should be "corrected", as with any other municipality violating Preemption. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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just_a_car wroteBefore I go adding this enormous list of hospitals, I'd like to know if any or all of these receive state money/funding and thus, are likely subject to RCW 9.41.290. If that's the case, they shouldn't be placed on the DNP List... they should be "corrected", as with any other municipality violating Preemption. I honestly don't think any correction would be warranted with the crappy case law that is called Estes vs Vashon Fire District. Using the logic that the court used a policy of the hospital would not be pre-empted. It might not be published but it does show the courts interpretation of .290. Exerpt from Estes; we conclude that the limited effect on the general right to bear arms presented by the District's policy here is minimal in comparison to the obvious benefit to the public of enhancing the safety of firefighters and paramedics on the job. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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joeroket wrote: just_a_car wroteBefore I go adding this enormous list of hospitals, I'd like to know if any or all of these receive state money/funding and thus, are likely subject to RCW 9.41.290. If that's the case, they shouldn't be placed on the DNP List... they should be "corrected", as with any other municipality violating Preemption. I still say that if this is used by them to win a case, that it will be over turned on appeal to the Washington Supreme Court. Until it is we have a judge make law, illegally BTW. Or the Legislature needs to get off it's azz and fix this. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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I agree with you 100% Bear but until one of theose things happen we are stuck with them using this as case law. |
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Granum Regular Member
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i guess your right that is a good point that they do allow you to take your side arm in. but its just one of those things that get below the skin.Still had mixed service there. |
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jeeper1 Regular Member
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HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON I knew there was a reason besides their high prices I don't like them. Doc Neeleys is my favorite gun shop, I've bought and sold several guns through them. |
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Oh yeah, Doc Neeleys is closed Sundays and Mondays. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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jeeper1 wrote: HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON This is a perfect example of what I meant by the marketplace exacting its punishment on under-performing businesses. Free-market capitalism in action. |
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olypendrew Regular Member
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I agree. Hi-Caliber struck me as more of the typical no-help, lotsa-attitude gun store, whereas Cowboy Guns and Gear was staffed by two extremely friendly and helpful guys. I cannot say much about the prices, because I wasn't really paying attention, but there was at least one good deal on a Savage 22-250 at Cowboy Guns and Gear that I would have been hard pressed to pass up if I was in the market for a bolt action varmint gun. I wasn't OCing in either store, but I bet there won't be an issue in Cowboy Guns. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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olypendrew wrote: I agree. Hi-Caliber struck me as more of the typical no-help, lotsa-attitude gun store, whereas Cowboy Guns and Gear was staffed by two extremely friendly and helpful guys. I cannot say much about the prices, because I wasn't really paying attention, but there was at least one good deal on a Savage 22-250 at Cowboy Guns and Gear that I would have been hard pressed to pass up if I was in the market for a bolt action varmint gun. Why don't you just OC there and find out. If they don't want you doing it they'll say so. DO NOT talk about it unless they bring it up. |
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I may next time. Normally I pocket carry a S&W 642. To me, this is the perfect way to carry most of the time, given the places I go and the people I meet, and the ease and comfort of my preferred mode. I OC an increasing amount, but I am not an all-the-timer. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: joeroket wrote:I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two. Very interesting non-development, on two fronts. It's been a week now and (1) no one from Haggen has contacted me, and (2) the email I sent to Randy Loun and the follow-up phone message I left for him on Tuesday have gone unanswered. I guess Mr. Loun doesn't think I have a case. And Haggen is totally discounting me as a customer As joeroket said, Haggen can go pound sand. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:joeroket wrote:I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two. Randy is hunting right now, so give him a break if he likes to go do some recreating once in awhile. |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:Richard6218 wrote:joeroket wrote:I would have told both Frank and the cop to pound sand and turn two. Bear: thanks for the update on Randy. Thanks also to just_ : He added Haggen to the DNP list but didn't tell me. I just saw it last night. As I haven't heard from their corporate, for now the DNP will have to apply only to the Ferndale store. Just wondering: heresolong, have you managed to get hold of anyone there? |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:heresolong wrote:Richard6218 wrote:He said he had three or four complaints in the space of about ten minutes, all from regular customers.My guess is that this is an absolute lie. I think most people on the board will agree with me that the vast majority of people don't even notice that you are carrying, let alone make complaints. To have four complaints in ten minutes, unless you were running through the store screaming "look at my gun" is unbelievable.Haggen in Ferndale has a brand new manager, has only been there about three months. My suspicion is that he noticed and that it bugs him for some reason. He can't just say that without looking like a tool so he lies. Just got off the phone with Randy Loun. He doesn't think I have an actionable case, for the reason that Frank had a reasonable belief that I may have been carrying. This alone would likely cause a verdict to go against me. Further, should I lose the case there is another concept at law, and the name of that has gotten away from me already, that allows the defendant to sue me for fees and court costs. Soooo --- best to leave sleeping dogs lie. PUNT! as they say. Too bad I can't totally boycott the place. My only option would be to quit eating. (Maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea ) |
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This is one of those FYI things I ran across and though others might like to know. 7-Eleven, Denny’s and White Hen Pantry is owned by Seven & I Holdings Co., Ltd. which is a Japanese company and the fifth largest retailer in the world. Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Longhorn Steakhouse, Bahama Breeze, The Capitol Grille and Seasons 52 is owned by Darden Restaurants, Inc. (NYSE RI), the largest casual dining restaurant company in the world. |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: This is one of those FYI things I ran across and though others might like to know. Most of the Denny's are franchised and not owned by the parent corp. |
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Sad to say another one to add to the list.. It could be partially my fault. But you learn.. I went to South End Grocery - Tumwater tonight to get some baking things. I've been there often OC'd I've also been there CC'd to. Well I tend to talk with the clerk about stuff sometimes hunting and what ever quite often just BS'n . After about 2 minutes of talking a Tumwater LEO drives up comes in.. Sees my firearm says nothing grabs a coke and stands in line. My mistake was saying to the clerk before the Leo cames in that he might be here because someone called the Police. While the LEO was in the back getting his coke he mentioned that he thought it would be a good idea for me to leave my gun in the car when I come in the store.. I didn't want to argue with him with the LEO there so I said I don't want to make trouble so I'll honor your request. I decided to contact him via phone when I got home.. The funny part is that he said that it doesn't bother him but it might bother the customers. I simply asked what is the preference of the store.. And he said that I leave in my car or cover up. We talked for a while and I told him that I will just go to Fred Meyers on days that I'm going to OC. I also told him that people that dont know the law need to get over it and get educated.. and OC'ing is a way to educate people. His other statement was that People have come back in to the store after I left to ask if my gun was real.. KInd funny.. Anyways.. Sad to say. I was hopeful. I might talk to him again next time I go there.. CC'd and talk more.. More stuff was said but I'll leave it at that unless you want more info.. John I think I'm going to start another thread Its about time for a Olympia OC Lunch in.. |
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OLYXDGUY, tell me how your story relates that the store should be "placed on the list" (I assume you mean DNP List, which it definitely doesn't qualify for, but it might for the Watch List) when the person (I can only assume you mean owner when you said "clerk", and if it isn't, then there's no basis for being put on the Watch List) told you that you could simply CC in the store and you'd be fine. They just said they didn't want your OC... they didn't say you couldn't carry in their store and it sounded like they were polite about it. You need to talk to the manager or owner of the store to see if that's really their policy... and, no offense, you also need to search your car for where you left your 'guts'... cuz you definitely didn't bring them in with you. When you talk to the manager, you might want to mention that you prefer OC and that you're more than happy to take your business elsewhere if it'll be a problem... and that you have OC'd before there without issue. If the clerk asked you to cover up or put it in the car because of the LEO, then would it also be okay for the clerk to ask a man wearing an NWO shirt to step outside because it might offend the LEO?... Both are legal and protected under the constitution and the clerk is asking you to change your behavior because of a cop in the store. That's wrong and descriminatory. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think the clerk needs some remedial training in illegal descrimination. You may want to bring this up with the manager. |
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just_a_car wrote:OLYXDGUY, tell me how your story relates that the store should be "placed on the list" (I assume you mean DNP List, which it definitely doesn't qualify for, but it might for the Watch List) when the person (I can only assume you mean owner when you said "clerk", and if it isn't, then there's no basis for being put on the Watch List) told you that you could simply CC in the store and you'd be fine. They just said they didn't want your OC... they didn't say you couldn't carry in their store and it sounded like they were polite about it. Thanks, Obviously this belongs on the DNP list! This store is a ma and pa store..I belive the clerk might even be family. I am going to talk to the manager/owner again to find out the policy.. If the Leo had no problem with it neither should the clerk or another person. Fact is I'm not going to have this conversation with a LEO there the last thing I want is him to think that I'm arguing. I will deal with them this week but I'm sure they not going to change.. |
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Richard6218 wrote: jeeper1 wrote:HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON Well I went to Doc Neely's Cowboy Guns and Gear 3 times. O/C all 3 times with my Ruger P85. They noticed but didn't mind. The customer service was great even bought a new S&W 40. id ask to consider it for the do list? yea for the good guys |
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Granum wrote: Richard6218 wrote:jeeper1 wrote:HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON Roger that Next, I'd suggest sending a PM to just_a_car with your request. If he needs any further supporting info he will let you know. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: Granum wrote:Richard6218 wrote:jeeper1 wrote:HI-CALIBER GUNS, PORT ANGELES WASHINGTON No need for a PM... You guys need to reread (or read for the first time - I hope not) the first post of this thread with the guidelines of how businesses get on any of the lists. |
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Granum Regular Member
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Is there anything ells or am I just not gettin it? messege me please if im not just a car Doc Neeley's Cowboy Guns and Gear 105 E 8th St Port Angeles, WA 98362 They noticed I was OC. (the owner) We talked about it even told him about OCDO the first time I was in. But conversation ended up in the end to what they had in there case. good experience. The owner (I assume his photo was on the bussnes card.) at his desk even had me come around and look at his computer to play a video for me he was emailed. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMeD-KB8kgs ) its a funny one.  Honest I don't know it that post was directed at me or not. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Well, Granum, that's the first time you've ever mentioned any talk about OC or even that they noticed. The part of my original post I was referencing is this: "This does not mean "Hey, I went here and had no issues," it means that someone that works there (preferably a manager or supervisor) actually noticed the gun and said something positive about it." Your previous posts (prior to the one today) have all been essentially that... saying you went there and didn't have any issues. There was nothing to indicate the business approved of your conduct. Now, if you can relate, in general, what was said positively towards OC, I'll certainly consider putting them onto the Pro-Gun Biz List. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I went to Kesselring's Gun Shop yesterday in Burlington (4024 Old Hwy 99, Burlington 98233) to shop for a light gun for CC. There was a huge sign in red letters in the front door: "DO NOT BRING LOADED GUNS INTO THE STORE" Sorry, I didn't have my camera with me. Although I still spent $140 there on some ammo and other stuff, I think that sign and the policy behind it qualifies them for the DNP list. Problem for me is, they're the nearest FFL dealer but they're some 30 miles away. Next nearest is, I think, in Everett, even farther. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Richard, you may want to ask management or the owner (not a regular employee, someone with actual authority there) whether that sign applies to self-defense firearms carried on your person in a holster that you do not intend to remove from the holster for any reason other than self-defense. They may have that sign for people that bring in guns for "fitting" of any number of accessories or such. Go into it politely and inquisitively and if they didn't intend it to mean legally-carried self-defense sidearms, politely suggest they reword the sign to indicate that the restriction does not apply to holstered pistols that stay holstered while on the premesis. Last edited on Tue Oct 28th, 2008 08:19 pm by just_a_car |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Good point by way of fine-tuning the rules. I plan to go back there after doing some more research on the gun I'm looking for. When I've made my decision on that I probably will buy it from them regardless because as I said, they're the nearest FFL dealer and the next nearest is a LOT farther. I'm going to resurrect the OC issue with Key Bank because someone in the South Sound had a negative issue at a local branch. The positive word I got back in July was from their corporate security manager, so that's about as official as it can get. I'm trying to help get all their branches on the same page. |
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Richard, Burlington is the nearest FFL to you? You're saying there isn't a single FFL in all of Whatcom County? In-con-ceivable... |
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Granum Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Well, Granum, that's the first time you've ever mentioned any talk about OC or even that they noticed. The part of my original post I was referencing is this: Ok thanks, It wasn't clickin. Ill be sure to right more in detail next time. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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It's the nearest that Google returned for me. The Yellow Pages has several listings under Guns & Gunsmiths, including Yeager's in Bellingham. I've been to Yeager's for ammo and targets, etc, but they say they "no longer" sell guns. I didn't ask why, but I'm guessing there must have been a lawsuit or something. All the rest of the listings are either specialty shops or gunsmiths. So that's what us "southern Canadians" as Bear calls us, have been dealt. Just the breaks. BTW, I've OC'ed in Yeager's lots of times and they've never batted an eye. I need to get it officially from a manager there but I'll be watching to get them on the "Good Guys" list. |
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Richard6218 wrote: It's the nearest that Google returned for me. The Yellow Pages has several listings under Guns & Gunsmiths, including Yeager's in Bellingham. I've been to Yeager's for ammo and targets, etc, but they say they "no longer" sell guns. I didn't ask why, but I'm guessing there must have been a lawsuit or something. All the rest of the listings are either specialty shops or gunsmiths. So that's what us "southern Canadians" as Bear calls us, have been dealt. Just the breaks. Google?! Are you kidding?... Come, young padawan and let me show you the way: http://www.gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp Put in your zip code and you'll find FFL's in Ferndale, Blaine, Lynden, etc... |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Richard6218 wrote:It's the nearest that Google returned for me. The Yellow Pages has several listings under Guns & Gunsmiths, including Yeager's in Bellingham. I've been to Yeager's for ammo and targets, etc, but they say they "no longer" sell guns. I didn't ask why, but I'm guessing there must have been a lawsuit or something. All the rest of the listings are either specialty shops or gunsmiths. So that's what us "southern Canadians" as Bear calls us, have been dealt. Just the breaks. THANX FOR THAT  I dunno why these places aren't listed in the Yellow Pages. Also, I had looked at this site (Gunbroker) and thought it was strictly an auction, like eBay for guns. (It came up on Google, BTW) I didn't see the spot for looking up FFL's, so I passed it up. |
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Sharp Shooting indoor range and gun shop added to the DNP List  BUT, Granite Falls Hardware (which also sells guns!) added to the Pro-Gun Businesses List! |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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This for heresolong: Any feedback on your letter to Haggen? |
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Add home depot to the DNP list. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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sempercarry wrote: Add home depot to the DNP list. You might want to show them a letter from Corporate that states otherwise. http://download.rbn.com/rbn/bill/download/ocdo/training-bulletins/homedepot-policy.pdf |
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I contacted corporate home depot and they said the same thing but your letter omitted something. The manager has discretion and can ask you to leave if you are carrying open. strait from the horses mouth |
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Bear 45/70 Regular Member
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sempercarry wrote: I contacted corporate home depot and they said the same thing but your letter omitted something. The manager has discretion and can ask you to leave if you are carrying open. strait from the horses mouth That makes absolutely no sense, business wise. Either it is corporate policy or it isn't and local managers don't get to decide. I think someone at corporate is badly misinformed. |
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sv_libertarian State Researcher
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Richard6218 wrote: Because they have to PAY to be listed in the yellowpages, and it isn't always cheap. You just don't "get" a listing the the yellowpages. Last edited on Mon Nov 3rd, 2008 08:27 am by sv_libertarian |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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sv_libertarian wrote: Richard6218 wrote:Because they have to PAY to be listed in the yellowpages, and it isn't always cheap. You just don't "get" a listing the the yellowpages. I had a business a few years ago and I couldn't afford a display ad, but I "bit the bullet" and paid for a listing, just to get the exposure. I guess now so many people use the internet even the listing isn't worth the cost. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Bear 45/70 wrote: sempercarry wrote:I contacted corporate home depot and they said the same thing but your letter omitted something. The manager has discretion and can ask you to leave if you are carrying open. strait from the horses mouth sempercarry, knowing what we now know, why don't you go back to your contact and refer that person to the Director of Public Relations, David Sandor, if he still holds that position, and get an update on the policy. The letter referred to in this thread was written in 2003 and may have changed. Even if it has not changed someone needs to be trained on the subject. I would like to know because I OC in Home Depot (without any incidents so far) but it would be good to know I could use that letter to defuse any confrontation. |
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Allstar Burger & Philly 3202 South Gunnison St. Tacoma, WA 98409 Orders to go 253-272-4311. Was given permission by the owner. He says it's ok to come Opencarry. Great food and prices. |
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Allstar Burger & Philly 3202 South Gunnison St. Tacoma, WA 98409 Orders to go 253-272-4311. Was given permission by the owner. He says it's ok to come Opencarry. Great food and prices. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Watched list: Autozone in Tacoma 72nd & Pacific. The manager does not want weapons in his store. Email has been sent to Autozone Corporate to get more info. I also have the contact numbers for District & Regional managers for which I will contact on Monday. I'll update this thread as soon as I have info. |
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Just an FYI, just_a_car is having internet connectivity issues right now and may not be able to update the list for a bit. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: I have posted several times on this thread about my running battle with the manager of the Ferndale Haggen's store. To recap the events to-date: I OC'ed there every day from the time I first started carrying, a period of a couple months. One day the store manager, Frank, approached me while I was waiting in line at the pharmacy. He stated that he had had a "number of complaints" about my gun and asked that I please not OC. There was the standard exchange about 2A and the RCW, etc. Since I have to buy groceries somewhere and I really do like Haggen's, I stopped OC'ing in that store. So I just leave the gun under the seat in the car. This first exchange took place in early July and is discussed on the thread: 11/23/08: This thing is still unresolved, so last week I wrote the letter in the attached link, translated to .pdf format. It addresses the issue at the corporate level (letter was written directly to the Haggen CEO) and asks specifically for a definition of their policy on firearms. The letter has already been sent, but comments are certainly welcome. I'm hoping this will resolve the issue which has festered for four months now. One way or another, Haggen Stores will be champs or chumps. Got some qualified advice about the security issue, so here it is: Attachment: Haggen Pres111808b.pdf (Downloaded 78 times) Last edited on Tue Nov 25th, 2008 07:49 pm by Richard6218 |
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Discount Gun Sales (all stores) allow open carry. All they ask (there is a sign posted at the entrance) is that you keep your weapon holstered unless you ask permission to take it out. Every employee I have ever seen in their stores CCs. Probably for PR reasons. Locations are as per this page: http://www.discountgunsales.com/store-locations-pg-1.html |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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A followup to Autozone. I just spoke to the Regional Manager of Autozone who informs me that there is no policy at this current time on customers with weapons in their stores. However she is a CPL holder and I believe on our side. I have sent her copies of other corporations' letterhead and email stating that they allow carry in their businesses as soon as I have more info, I'll pass it along. The reason the manager was so up tight that day of the issue is that the store has been robbed at gun point 3 times. He was also not aware of Washington's gun laws on OpenCarry. With the information I have passed along to corporate this should all be cleared up very soon. I'll also stop by the store and drop off a few copies of the Gun Rights Pamphlet. |
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tanman Regular Member
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Got another one for you guys- rather funny too... Bi-Mart (in this case Walla Walla) I walk in OCing strong side (XD9 Sub) and CCing (Glock 26) my back up. I was looking for some jeans and a couple oil filters. Naturally, I got side tracked at the gun counter... While I was there, I was talking to a nice gentleman who I found out was a vietnam vet (not the sit on his ass kind either...). He found out about my purple heart courtesy of the scar on my arm and we talked a bit. I was asked if I am a police officer and of course said no. A staff member said "then I have to ask you to take it outside" I asked, "What? My guns?" Given where we were, the request honestly surprised me. "Well, it's company policy" I asked if it was the fact that it was open carried, or if the other one I had on my ankle wasn't a problem. He told me- and I quote, "Well, it doesn't matter. If I know about it I have to ask you to take it outside- even hidden weapons." I said, "Well, this is private property and you can do as you please. However, I would like to inform you that this corporation will be placed on the opencarry.org DO NOT patronize list, due to your policies. That is not good for business." As I left, I said to the vietnam vet, "Gotta love when the sheeple create target rich environments..." He pulled a small black semi auto out of his pocket and said, "Don't leave home without it!" |
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joeroket Regular Member
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tanman wrote: He pulled a small black semi auto out of his pocket and said, "Don't leave home without it!" So it is OK for him to carry but not for you to carry. I would have went right back in to a manager and complained to beat all hell. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I think everyone who's a member here who has had an encounter with a store manager has had this same dialogue. In both the cases when I used it the answer was (paraphrased) "there are a lot more people who don't carry guns than those who do, so your threat doesn't carry much weight with me" The managers at Haggen and Cost Cutter both said the same thing. They see it as an empty threat. The unfortunate thing is, they may be right. It's the numbers that count for them, and that puts us at a big disadvantage. I don't know what the next move is, after they pull that on us. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote:
At this specific store? The next move is to complain profusely that as you were being asked to leave because they allow no weapons at all an employee made his pistol viewable. Total BS and completely unacceptable. |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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I didn't get the impression that the 'Vet' was an employee. I understood it as talking to another customer, in which case running to the manager would be the last thing I'd want to do...at lease one of 'us' is still on hand in case something happens. I've never had a problem with OC in my local Bi-mart (Vancouver) and I've done it several times, so I have as sneaking suspicion that the whole 'corporate policy' thing was a crock. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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In both the cases I was referring to, the managers of the two stores approached me, not the other way around, and demanded that I not OC. On private property they are the ones holding the hammer, not us, so my question here is how do we turn that around. On grounds of the law, that's a tough one. All they have to do is use the trespass law and they've got us. The only weapon we have is to convince them that their policy is bad for business, but they still may not see it that way, as I pointed out earlier. It's all in the numbers and we are seriously in the minority. |
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joeroket wrote: Richard6218 wrote: We're talking about two very different situations, and I have no quarrel with what you say as it applies to the Bi-Mart situation. In mine there were no third parties; it was just between me and the respective managers of the stores. I was just trying to focus on the policy issues as stated by the managers. Sorry for any confusion. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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It sounds like we are on the same page Richard. I too would have done exactly as you did in your "incident" if you really want to call it that. |
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Anyone find out about the Fred Meyer corperate policy? This is my new favorite store to shop at because it's very close to my house, (Kent East hill) it's a one-stop for all my family's needs, and we earn points for rewards coupons and gas discounts. If no one knows, I'll write up a letter to their corperate offices and see if we can find out. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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SpyderTattoo wrote: Anyone find out about the Fred Meyer corperate policy? This is my new favorite store to shop at because it's very close to my house, (Kent East hill) it's a one-stop for all my family's needs, and we earn points for rewards coupons and gas discounts. If no one knows, I'll write up a letter to their corperate offices and see if we can find out.Good question. They are my 3rd closest grocer after Haggen and Cost Cutter and I've been wondering about that. Keep us posted. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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SpyderTattoo wrote: Anyone find out about the Fred Meyer corperate policy? This is my new favorite store to shop at because it's very close to my house, (Kent East hill) it's a one-stop for all my family's needs, and we earn points for rewards coupons and gas discounts. If no one knows, I'll write up a letter to their corperate offices and see if we can find out. I have email and letters to Fred Meyer & Kroger. The last I heard from them I was waiting on legal. |
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SpyderTattoo Regular Member
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Rgr that M1. Maybe I'll go ahead and write a letter anyway, the more they get, the more they see that we, law-abiding gun owners want clarification on this. |
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tanman Regular Member
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Phssthpok wrote: I didn't get the impression that the 'Vet' was an employee. I understood it as talking to another customer, in which case running to the manager would be the last thing I'd want to do...at lease one of 'us' is still on hand in case something happens. Let me clear it up, sorry for any misunderstanding laidies and gentlemen...The Vietnam vet was another customer who was CCing. You are probably correct that it is not corporate policy (This Bi-mart is located a half mile from the country club and in the richest part of town). So, consequntly it tends to be full of rich, old, stuffy white people. Even if it is policy, which wouldn't surprise me- those sort of policies are symtematic of a larger problem. It's the same one we face when trying to work for ConcealedCampus Carry. The simple fact is that in our tort culture people would rather create a "gun free zone" so when someone starts a firefight on their property, they can point to a sign or policy and say, "Well, see we did everything we could." This is very evident at universities, due to the fact that they think they are liable (I'm not sure if there is a good test case for this) if a lawful carrier does something illegal, but if someone violates a gun ban, and shoots 30 people (VTech) they can say it was against policy and wash the liability (but not blood) off their hands. While some idealists feel that anyone who creates a gun free zone should be liable for injury to those on their property, the extent of the damage caused remains hard to quantify. Here's the middle of the road approach- give private property owners civil immunity for the results of violent felonies that occur on their property. It still leaves them vulnerable to negligence related actions (which is necessary), while mitigating their fear that lawful carriers will do something wrong and their fear of libility for random shootings. I will start a new thread dedicated to the further discussion of this topic and see what we can come up with, the results of which I will include in the next letter I send to a couple state senators with whom I communicate semi-regularly. |
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tanman wrote: Phssthpok wrote:I didn't get the impression that the 'Vet' was an employee. I understood it as talking to another customer, in which case running to the manager would be the last thing I'd want to do...at lease one of 'us' is still on hand in case something happens. Ahhh that was my mistake. I reread the post and see where I read it wrong. |
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Richard6218 wrote: "It's all in the numbers and we are seriously in the minority. " We need to step up the education of the sheeple then. Form classes or work with LEO's (The ones that understand the laws) to get people into classes. There are a ton of people who CC, and if we can just get them educated in OC, we can have a majority. I mean we can deal with the Sheriff's offices and set up camp (Volunteer) and educate the people applying for their CPL. They don't have to want to OC, jut to understand and maybe form a larger alliance for the Gun-Carrying Citizens of Washington State. If we come together, we have a chance to make a difference in the State. What do you guys think? |
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Nitrox314 wrote: Richard6218 wrote:"It's all in the numbers and we are seriously in the minority. " This is a good idea but it will only work with those who are already sympathetic to our message. It's the hard-core libs that we have to overcome, and that means getting our members out there, writing letters and emails and VOTING whenever there is the opportunity. Hard-core libs can't be negotiated into submission; they have to be DEFEATED. Showing up at events like the Seattle hearing in huge numbers is also a way to get the message out. And --- FWIW, you have to know the press will be there, so we will get some free publicity from that. |
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Here's a PS: to the post I just put up. Another way to win this battle is, unfortunately, by litigation. That will cost a LOT of money, and in these tough times that's going to be a real challenge. We are going to have to raise the money somehow, by fundraising campaigns, petitioning organizations that are on our side and probably some ways I haven't thought of. |
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Replying to my own post of November 23: Four months has now become five and the Haggen problem is still not resolved. I wrote my letter to Dale Henley on that date and have never heard back. I think it's reasonable to assume he's flipping us off. All of Haggen needs to be put on the DNP list |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Sorry, Richard, I don't make those kinds of assumptions. Until such time as I see some proof that that's a corporate policy, only that one store will be listed, as it has been since the report. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Sorry, Richard, I don't make those kinds of assumptions. Well, I'll accept your response but I have to wonder how long is a reasonable time to assume that a non-response is tantamount to a negative one. It's quite possible that he wants to reject my premise but doesn't want to commit that position to writing. If he did he knows I could use it against him later. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Sorry, Richard, I don't make those kinds of assumptions.Yet another thought about this: It's possible that my letter set off a debate in the Haggen boardroom and they're still arguing about it. In that case it may be some time before they get around to answering, either way it goes. Your wisdom may have been vindicated. |
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Richard6218 wrote: just_a_car wrote:Sorry, Richard, I don't make those kinds of assumptions.Yet another thought about this: It's possible that my letter set off a debate in the Haggen boardroom and they're still arguing about it. In that case it may be some time before they get around to answering, either way it goes. Your wisdom may have been vindicated. That's actually exactly what I was thinking might be happening. Sometimes it takes quite a long time to work stuff like this out... and sometimes they ignore your first, second and third attempt to contact them in the hopes you just go away. There are three P's that are necessary for activism of the sort we're doing: Politeness, Patience, and Persistence. As long as you have all three of those, you will get an answer; whether it be in your favor or not, but at least there will be some sort of decisive and final response. |
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just_a_car wrote:
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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FMCDH wrote: just_a_car wrote: Now we need to get some of those cowboys who want to OC to the hearing in Seattle on board with this. That, along with a few grains of common sense. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Just in case anyone has ever wondered Toys R US is one of the good guys.... http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=19235&forum_id=6&jump_to=321524#p321524 <snip> Thank you for contacting Toys R Us regarding the recent tragedy in our store. Naturally, we want our guest's to be safe and feel confident while they are shopping. We adhere to the state law of whatever state a particular store is located in since the governing laws regarding gun control vary across the country. At this time I have not been notified that this will change though I can not guarantee that it won't in the future. I invite you to submit your concerns to our corporate head office for further attention. Toys R Us Attn: Gerald Storch (CEO) 1 Geoffrey Way Wayne, NJ 07470 |
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Kmart Allowing OC http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/19452.html <snip> This manager said that he did some investigation, and that there is no Kmart prohibition against open carry. According to the information he provided, they apparently are following state laws on the matter, with no further restrictions. He said that he would be notifying the store personnel concerning firearms, so that there should not be any problems in the future. |
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Hey eyeryone. I came across your site and Im all for OC!!! This thread about the banks and OC; hate to tell ya, all banks, not sure about credit unions, are that way. Im a Security Tech for a big bank in WA and OR. That's just the way the banks are now. It isn't corp., I believe it's federal. I will do a little more research and get back to you all. Some of the places I saw on the DNP list just made my jaw drop!! My business will be going to other places now! |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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ackattack wrote: Hey eyeryone. I came across your site and Im all for OC!!! ackattack: I would urge you to read our threads and become familiar with what goes on in this board before posting strong assertions. Without knowing the background on some of these cases your posting could well backfire. I was involved in a case with Key Bank a few months ago and the outcome of that dialogue was that the corporate security officer ruled that as long as OC is legal in Washington State the bank's policy will be to follow that law. Read this thread in July/August of this year for the posts about that case. |
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Minarchy4Sale Regular Member
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Thanks for putting up this list. Im a bit confused about Sams Guns being on the 'friendly' list. I was there last month and I could have sworn there was a sign on the door about not having any loaded weapons except on the range. Did I misread that sign? Last edited on Fri Dec 19th, 2008 06:42 am by Minarchy4Sale |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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The reason they were put on the list was because one of our members, Agent47, used to work in the store and said it was okay to OC there. I've also OC'd there myself many times without issue to the range. I know that some (all?) of the rangemasters disagree about citizen-OC, but I only found that out after I asked. Agent47 doesn't work there anymore, so the atmosphere may have changed, but I'm pretty sure the "no loaded weapons" sign doesn't apply to personal protection firearms. Can't speak for them, though. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member 
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M1Gunr wrote: <snip> This manager said that he did some investigation, and that there is no Kmart prohibition against open carry. According to the information he provided, they apparently are following state laws on the matter, with no further restrictions. He said that he would be notifying the store personnel concerning firearms, so that there should not be any problems in the future. Is this the case with Bellingham K-mart? My other half was there when that nut broke the gun case there then went outside and put a handgun to his head...again Bellingham Herald misreported the incident....they said shotgun...and the police disarmed him but that wasnt so. Anyhow...I have been in there since they no longer carry any fire arms and only sell shotgun ammo...and some .22 cal. I think that whole incident is why she has opened up to us carrying firearms...the situation there could have been a lot worse, I think the guy was trying to get arrested . |
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joeroket Regular Member
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sudden valley gunner wrote: M1Gunr wrote: In my talks with the heads of security for different companies they typically have no written policy on firearms, because laws vary from state to state, but allow management discretion when complaints arise from a firearm whether it is open carried or simply poorly concealed. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to ask the manager next time I'm there, we are always in that area. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Is this the case with Bellingham K-mart? I thought this was out of Pennsylvania but the person that wrote it has no state info in their ID, so I have no idea. |
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Gene Beasley Regular Member
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Edit: Taken to PM to avoid mucking up the thread. Last edited on Fri Dec 19th, 2008 11:01 pm by Gene Beasley |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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edited for clarity..... Last edited on Fri Dec 19th, 2008 11:13 pm by M1Gunr |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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I am sorry for the confusion I assumed since i was in Washington state forum...it was understood where I was talking about. I'm still new here....I'll try to be more specific in the future. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Anti-Gun Corporations/Corporate Heads The following listing includes the most prominent national corporations that have lent their corporate support to gun control initiatives or taken position supporting gun control. http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15 Sprint Corp PAC William T. Esrey, Chrm., Pres. & CEO 2330 Shawnee Mission Parkway Westwood, KS 66205 913 624-3000 http://www.sprint.com Telecommunicaitons Firm Sara Lee Corporation Sara Lee Foundation Three First National Plaza Chicago, IL 60602-4260 Phone: 312-726-2600 http://www.saralee.com Fax: 312-726-3712 Ben & Jerry`s Homemade, Inc. Bennett R. Cohen Chrm. & CEO Rte. 100, Box 240 Waterbury, VT 05676 (802) 244-5641 http://www.benjerry.com Ice cream and frozen yogurt Hallmark Cards Irvine O. Hockaday, President & CEO P.O. Box 418307 Kansas City, MO 64141 (816) 274-5111 http://www.hallmark.com Greeting Card Company Kenneth Cole 152 W. 57th Street New York, NY 10019 (800) 536-2653 http://www.kennethcole.com Clothing retailer Levi Strauss & Co. Robert D. Haas, Chairman Philip Marineau, CEO Peter A. Jacobi, President and COO 1155 Battery St. San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 501-6000 FAX (415) 501-3939 http://www.levistrauss.com Clothing Time Warner Inc. Gerald M. Levin, Chrm. & CEO 75 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10019 (212) 484-8000 http://www.pathfinder.com/corp/ Publishing, film and music recordings ++++++++++ Compiled by: NRA Institute for Legislative Action 11250 Waples Mill Road Fairfax, Virginia 22030 As of: 2/29/2008 |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran 
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AMC Theatres Corporate Policy http://www.trentonian.com/articles/2006/10/24/today%27s%20stories/17368103.txt ETA: It's a couple of years old, not sure if the policy has changed Last edited on Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 01:06 am by diesel556 |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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I'd like to offset all of the negative news by posting two 'friendly' businesses. Hazel Dell Brewpub - I've been in there about a half-dozen times (twice with Grishnav), and nobody's even batted an eye. Good food, and the DEFINITIVE Nitro-stout. The Ram restaurant in Lacey - I've carried there a couple of times before, but wasn't sure if it was noticed or not. However, I was tasked with filling a pair of growlers on my way back from our Claimjumpers dinner, and this time there was no doubt. I told the person who greeted me that I had some growlers to fill, and he said "Ok...just head on back to the bar and [name] will get you taken care of." "Unfortunately, I cannot..." "Why not?....."[as I look down toward my sidearm]"....Oh, the gun. No problem...wait here and I'll be right back! That was the Nutcracker stout in both of them, right?" Upon relating this to my friend (who's a regular there) he was about 90% certain it was the manager that I was talking too.  |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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Phssthpok wrote:
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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sudden valley gunner wrote: Phssthpok wrote:While it doesn't necessarily cater to the younglings, they are not verboten. |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran
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I'm curious as to why Joe's Sporting goods isn't on the DNP list considering the fact that the following thread is over a year old: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum20/3831-2.html Did their policy change? I've personally open carried 3 to 4 times at my local Joe's with no issues. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Joes carry policy, per this thread (page 2 last post) The VP of Operations has a NO OC policy but does allow CC. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum20/3831-2.html <snip>
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I am still beseiged by silence from the Chief Executive of Haggen Stores after sending the followup letter, below (Bold added to differentiate from text of this post): December 19, 2008 Mr. Dale Henley, CEO PERSONAL Haggen Stores Inc. PO Box 9704 Bellingham, WA 98227-9704 Re: Firearms policy Dear Mr. Henley: It was about a month ago that I sent you a letter inquiring about your Company’s policy regarding the lawful carrying of firearms in your stores. A number of my friends are aware of this letter and have been asking me about what response you have given. If you have a formulated policy about this I would appreciate hearing from you so I can know how to govern myself, as well as providing some feedback for my friends. The original letter of November 19 is as follows: Haggen Pres111808b.pdf I find it hard to believe that a company president can be this rude. It seems clear now, after all the time since my first letter to him in November that he regards the firearms community with utter contempt. Any feedback is appreciated here. I'm stymied. <Edited to add link to original letter> Last edited on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 04:10 pm by Richard6218 |
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David.Car Regular Member
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Probably should add Spokane's Cyrus O Leary's to the pro list. Today we will be having our third OC meet there in the last 10 months. I believe there has been another meet there further back than that as well. |
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armyhellion13 Regular Member
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Hollywood Video at 6415 12th Ave NE Seattle 98115 has never said anything to me the many times I have OC'ed in their store. The QFC at 6618 Roosevelt Way NE Seattle, WA 98115 also has never said anything to me. Actually I take that back, I went id on day and the Deli clerk, a nice middle aged woman, asked me what kind of gun I had. When I told her she said that is cool and smiled lol. |
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al_raff Regular Member 
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This is not a request to put them on the DNP list just some information for you all, C & C guns in Vancouver off Mill Plain informed me the other day that if I open carried I could be arrested for inciting a riot by one of the owners sons. When I tried to inform him he was not correct he back peddled and said you will be issued a ticket and lose your right to buy a gun in the state. Then he informed me that the Black Talon rounds I carry in my mag for my S&W 99 .40 cal. were illegal and if I shot someone with them I would not could but would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. At that time I was out of breath and patience so I left vowing never to return. |
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FMCDH Regular Member
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al_raff wrote: This is not a request to put them on the DNP list just some information for you all, Let me be the first to say.....WOW! |
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joeroket Regular Member
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al_raff wrote: This is not a request to put them on the DNP list just some information for you all, You should have asked him when they started issuing tickets for a felony. What a moron. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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armyhellion13 wrote: Hollywood Video at 6415 12th Ave NE Seattle 98115 has never said anything to me the many times I have OC'ed in their store. The QFC at 6618 Roosevelt Way NE Seattle, WA 98115 also has never said anything to me. Actually I take that back, I went id on day and the Deli clerk, a nice middle aged woman, asked me what kind of gun I had. When I told her she said that is cool and smiled lol. Um... okay, good to know you've had little to no issues... but the first post is very clear that what you're describing is not list-worthy. Heck, that's why I put it in there... I knew people would want to say it and was trying to cut it off... didn't work. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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I sent C&C an email with all the PD training bulletins & a WGR pamphlet. Will wait for the response. http://www.cncgunsales.com/ Last edited on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 06:39 am by M1Gunr |
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al_raff Regular Member
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Thanks M1Gunr, I Hope the outcome is a good one, I know that with only 8 posts I still am a noob but feel I have found a new home here and plan on being very active in the SW Washington area so if you need anything from the "couv" hit me up. Al |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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This post was originally a letter I drafted to the president of Haggen Stores but didn't send out. I have decided not to send the letter and am working on some other strategy to elicit a response from him. Last edited on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 08:32 am by Richard6218 |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: I sent C&C an email with all the PD training bulletins & a WGR pamphlet. Will wait for the response. The reply: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:27 AM, <tenoftewlvv@msn.com> wrote: It was stated that you can legally open carry in our state, but what usually happens is that the police will issue a ticket for starting a public panic. Then you will have to spend your time and money going to court to prove that you are right and the officer is charged nothing for this problem. Unfortunately you are guilty until proven innocent in a liberal county court system. It was never stated that you could not buy a gun as illegally carrying guns is a misdemeanor in the state of Washington. We have no problem with open carry except for the uneducated police that we have quote gun laws like the lady at the front counter at the Vancouver PD stating that a conceal weapons permit allowed only the carry of an unloaded gun. Thanks and have a great day. <end> Words escape me at the moment..... |
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al_raff Regular Member
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That's the type of reply I fully expected from someone who is not willing But fully able to educate the public on a matter of this importance. Oh well off to fight bigger battles, I will try again after I digest what he replied with..... I will be dropping off some OC pamphlets later this week to ask if they would be willing to keep some on the counter so the public can have one. |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran
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al_raff wrote: That's the type of reply I fully expected from someone who is not willing But fully able to educate the public on a matter of this importance. I'm afraid they might use them for another purpose entirely, "Hey Phil, pass me one of them OC pamphlets. We're outta TP!". Good luck! |
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xd403in Regular Member
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usf reddaway is another that does not allow. they have it posted in the break room location kent |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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xd403in wrote: usf reddaway is another that does not allow. they have it posted in the break room I'd be willing to bet that's the policy for employees, since it's in the break room. This list is for policies that apply to customers. |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran
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just_a_car wrote: I'd be willing to bet that's the policy for employees, since it's in the break room. This list is for policies that apply to customers. Out of curiosity, are you still updating the list on page 1? |
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armyhellion13 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: armyhellion13 wrote:I Didn't ask for it to be on any kind of list whatsoever. I thought this was an open forum and was just sharing in case anyone else lives in the area and shops at these locations. Thanks for your reply.Hollywood Video at 6415 12th Ave NE Seattle 98115 has never said anything to me the many times I have OC'ed in their store. The QFC at 6618 Roosevelt Way NE Seattle, WA 98115 also has never said anything to me. Actually I take that back, I went id on day and the Deli clerk, a nice middle aged woman, asked me what kind of gun I had. When I told her she said that is cool and smiled lol. |
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xd403in Regular Member
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diesel556 wrote: just_a_car wrote:I'd be willing to bet that's the policy for employees, since it's in the break room. This list is for policies that apply to customers. its also at the main desk where guests have to check in. they also ship for graybar |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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diesel556 wrote: just_a_car wrote:I'd be willing to bet that's the policy for employees, since it's in the break room. This list is for policies that apply to customers. In between working towards finishing up my chemistry degree and other real-life responsibilities, yes... If you take a look, the last update was on December 6th, 2008... not that long ago. I started this thread July 18th, 2007; as of the 18th of this month, the list turned 18 months old. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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xd403in wrote: its also at the main desk where guests have to check in. they also ship for graybar Ah, okay. Well, since I'm in Kent every other month or so, I'm more than happy to take a look sometime. Not trying to insult you xd403in, but I don't usually add businesses to either list on just the word of a new member alone. Established members that I've met and trust get much more leeway in that department, as do photographs and PDF's of emails sent by corporations. |
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xd403in Regular Member
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no worriesjust_a_car wrote: xd403in wrote:its also at the main desk where guests have to check in. they also ship for graybar |
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yugorpk Regular Member
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I work in Renton and live in Kent. Ive probably carried a gun into every one of those business's. I could really give a damn what they think about that. Not going to stop now. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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yugorpk wrote: I work in Renton and live in Kent. Ive probably carried a gun into every one of those business's. I could really give a damn what they think about that. Not going to stop now. The Lists are for your information. It's not like we're going to judge you for patronizing a business. If you don't care what a business' gun policy is, then don't look at the lists... for those that do care, I'm guessing they find the lists useful. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Added Capital Playhouse in Olympia to the Pro-guns list. |
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i work saturdays until 1500. next time maybe dinner ? Boondogglers unite! |
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M1Gunr wrote: M1Gunr wrote:I sent C&C an email with all the PD training bulletins & a WGR pamphlet. Will wait for the response. There are so many ways I want to respond to this, but each time I realize that logic won't function on someone so out of touch with reality as to say, "you can legally open carry in our state, but what usually happens is that the police will issue a ticket for starting a public panic." |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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shad0wfax wrote: M1Gunr wrote:M1Gunr wrote:I sent C&C an email with all the PD training bulletins & a WGR pamphlet. Will wait for the response. This is LEO bashing and is simply a stupid statement on the face of it. Please knock it off |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: shad0wfax wrote:There are so many ways I want to respond to this, but each time I realize that logic won't function on someone so out of touch with reality as to say, "you can legally open carry in our state, but what usually happens is that the police will issue a ticket for starting a public panic." No... it's not. No matter who says that, it's a dumb statement, since no LEO would give a ticket for that due to OC... at least, no lawful LEO, which means the majority. Hate to say it to a fellow member, but chill out. |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran
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Richard6218 wrote: This is LEO bashing and is simply a stupid statement on the face of it. Please knock it off I thought his (Shad0wfax) statement was in reference to the gun shop employee? Am I missing something? I don't see how this is related to LEO bashing. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: shad0wfax wrote: I strongly suggest that you calm down and re-read my statement for context before you jump to conclusions or make a patently false assumption. My quote was a direct quote from M1Gunnr's copy and paste from the C&C Gun Sales e-mail which was sent to him by the employee. just_a_car wrote: Richard6218 wrote:This is LEO bashing and is simply a stupid statement on the face of it. Please knock it off Thanks. I didn't think what I wrote was a dumb statement either. I thought what the gun-store employee said was a dumb statement. diesel556 wrote: I thought his (Shad0wfax) statement was in reference to the gun shop employee? Am I missing something? I don't see how this is related to LEO bashing. You're absolutely correct. You didn't miss anything at all and it is not related to LEO bashing in any way, shape or form. Last edited on Tue Feb 3rd, 2009 12:39 am by shad0wfax |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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This is LEO bashing and is simply a stupid statement on the face of it. Please knock it off My comments are a direct quote from the gun store employee. |
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al_raff Regular Member
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I do not see how this is LEO bashing and quite frankly I am discouraged and a little upset, all I was trying to do was bring to light the fact that a gun store in my area was not passing on correct info and thought I might get some help from a few members that are a little more experienced in the laws and the OC movement. I did not nor would I ever want to start a debate over LEO bashing. Being a former LEO myself I take to heart any and all comments made both in support and against LEO's. Now this may sound like I'm fence sitting and in some ways maybe I am, but I strongly believe in the saying"let me have and live my values and I will let you have and live yours. And before I get bashed I will say that yes I do believe the sheeple are a uneducated bunch and I hope if they are educated maybe they will see the light, The differance between me and most is I try to educate and then let them make a educated chioce I do not try to force my belief's on them. Thank you to the members who view this forum as a way to help educate the uneducated and to those of you who use this forum as a way to bash any one who does not belive in what you do please enlighten us and speak your mind in a calm and professional manner as I refer to this site quite a bit and would hate for someone I asked to look at the site to come across some of the posts made by the few who can not or maybe will not control themselves, please refer to the rules in how to post on this web site. For what its worth thats my .02 |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Richard6218 wrote:shad0wfax wrote:There are so many ways I want to respond to this, but each time I realize that logic won't function on someone so out of touch with reality as to say, "you can legally open carry in our state, but what usually happens is that the police will issue a ticket for starting a public panic." SOOOOO----- I stand duly flamed  Clearly, I mis-read the post as to its author, and my comment was directed to the author of the remark. What I did was to attribute the comment to our distinguished colleague instead of to the communication from a gun shop that he referenced. But--- I still say that for police to "issue a ticket for starting a panic" is an absurd statement. Whoever it was who said that is obviously un-educated (or more appropriately, un-studied) in the law. If he/she was referring to inciting to riot, I believe there is a law about that, but there is no way that peaceably carrying a firearm could be regarded as an incitement to riot. And if the offense is so serious as incitement to riot, it would likely be a felony, and arrest would entail a trip to the slammer, not just a ticket. So the logic in this whole scenario escapes me. |
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just_a_car wrote:
Add to the "pro-carry", we appreciate your business list: Mousemeat, Inc. 6421 so Tacoma Way VW repair shop (also other cars, esp. if you own a VW) All employees prior military, all carry. Definitely not intimidated by them. No issues with customers carrying firearms, they may even compare theirs with yours or just talk guns with ya. |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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I just got back from the Kesselring Gun Shop in Burlington but I couldn't go in Due to the sign in the door DO NOT BRING LOADED GUNS INTO THE STORE . I have bought a lot of my supplies and some guns there But not any more. I don't know how long the sign has been on the door but I won't buy there any more as it's cheaper and closer at the Sportsman's Warehouse any way. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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flagwaver, have you asked them if that sign means personal carry sidearms that will stay in their holster or just firearms that may end up leaving holsters/cases? If not, sounds like you may have jumped to conclusions on what could just be a poorly worded sign. |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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Just _a_car; The sign was specific, (DO NOT BRING LOADED GUNS INTO THE STORE) nothing else! Until the sign is removed or rewritten I for one will not shop there but that's my choice as it was 70 miles round trip for me to find that sign in the door. I do not shop in places with signs on their doors that would Deni my right to carry. I'm not asking for a do not patronise posting, just being informative. |
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flagwaver wrote: I just got back from the Kesselring Gun Shop in Burlington but I couldn't go in Due to the sign in the door Funny as SW, at least in Portland IIRC, has a sign telling you that all weapons need to be checked in at the customer service counter. But if you ask them, they mean it to apply only to weapons that you will be handling in the store. If you only go by the sign there too you might not want to shop their either. -adamsesq |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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flagwaver wrote: I just got back from the Kesselring Gun Shop in Burlington but I couldn't go in Due to the sign in the door I went there about three months ago and posted almost exactly the same report on this thread. I got exactly the same answer from just_a_car and, I think a couple others as well. One guy said he's been going there for years, loves the store and thinks a couple clowns from this board boycotting them isn't going to hurt them one bit. They are a long-established business and don't need whiners, me being one. That was just the feedback I got. (Go to the bottom of page 17 of this thread, my post of October 28) Last edited on Tue Feb 10th, 2009 03:13 am by Richard6218 |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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I went to Bellis Fair Mall today, carefully concealing. On the way out of the mall at the main entrance I looked for a "no-firearms" sign and didn't see one that jumped up at me. But there is a very unassuming sign in rather small type listing prohibited activities and behavior. At the bottom of the list, after "profanity" "roughhousing" and other inane acts, is the clincher: "No firearms or illegal weapons" So there it is, in black and white, probably 18-point type hidden among a lot of other stuff. I don't know if this qualifies them for the DNP list or if some sort of followup to management is required. Just, I'll let you be my guide on this. |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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I should clarify one thing, I have always been given great service and everyone in the store seams to know what they are talking about. That is an other reason that I was so set back by the sign on the door. |
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heresolong Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: I don't know if this qualifies them for the DNP list or if some sort of followup to management is required. Just, I'll let you be my guide on this.Followup not needed. They have a clear policy that they stick to. However, if you go in through a back door they aren't posted. |
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heresolong wrote: Richard6218 wrote:If they have a clear policy and it's posted in at least one place then that would seem to me to qualify them for the DNP list.I don't know if this qualifies them for the DNP list or if some sort of followup to management is required. Just, I'll let you be my guide on this.Followup not needed. They have a clear policy that they stick to. However, if you go in through a back door they aren't posted. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: heresolong wrote:Richard6218 wrote:If they have a clear policy and it's posted in at least one place then that would seem to me to qualify them for the DNP list.I don't know if this qualifies them for the DNP list or if some sort of followup to management is required. Just, I'll let you be my guide on this.Followup not needed. They have a clear policy that they stick to. However, if you go in through a back door they aren't posted. Indeed it does. Consider Bellis Fair Mall added. |
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heresolong Regular Member
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Whoops, sorry. Wrong thread. Last edited on Tue Feb 10th, 2009 03:21 pm by heresolong |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: heresolong wrote:Richard6218 wrote:If they have a clear policy and it's posted in at least one place then that would seem to me to qualify them for the DNP list.I don't know if this qualifies them for the DNP list or if some sort of followup to management is required. Just, I'll let you be my guide on this.Followup not needed. They have a clear policy that they stick to. However, if you go in through a back door they aren't posted. So BellisFair Mall goes on the DNP list for a 18 point type sign on one door? Kesselring gets a free ride with a 16" X 16" sign in red letters a white back ground at eye level and no back door? I'm still not asking for a DNP, just trying to get the rules straight. I don't need a DNP posting to not shop at Kesselring's. I find it a little more than upsetting that just-a-car would insinuate that I'm jumping to conclusions about the sign as I can't go into the store armed to ask if the sign means what is says. As long as the sign is in the door with out clarification I don't shop there! |
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flagwaver wrote: Richard6218 wrote:heresolong wrote:Richard6218 wrote:If they have a clear policy and it's posted in at least one place then that would seem to me to qualify them for the DNP list.I don't know if this qualifies them for the DNP list or if some sort of followup to management is required. Just, I'll let you be my guide on this.Followup not needed. They have a clear policy that they stick to. However, if you go in through a back door they aren't posted. Go ahead and boycott them --- that's your right. They are a bit far for me to drive but they are the nearest stocking FFL to me, and next time I go there I will ask them about their sign. I will post their answer, whatever that is. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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A simple email has been sent to Kesserlings ( info@kesserlings.com). I will post the reply when I get it.Gentlemen, Could you please clarify the sign on your front door? Does it mean no loaded weapons at all or are holstered weapons (that remain holstered) ok? |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: A simple email has been sent to Kesserlings ( info@kesserlings.com). I will post the reply when I get it. GOOD THINKING, M1! The quickest way to get the answer we all want |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: A simple email has been sent to Kesserlings ( info@kesserlings.com). I will post the reply when I get it. Bill, Holstered weapons (concealed) that remain holstered are ok to be loaded. I mean if you can't do it here where can you do it. What this is trying to avoid is people bring firearms in for either repair or sale (requiring handling at the counter) that are still loaded. This happens more than you can imagine. Keith Kesselring Kesselring's I wrote back and asked about OpenCarried holstered weapons. I would assume holstered is holstered but why assume anything? Yes Bill, that is fine. Keith Kesselring's Last edited on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 02:10 am by M1Gunr |
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M1Gunr wrote: [SNIP] Bill, He did go out of his way to add in (concealed) in that statement, so I think a followup to clarify is a good idea. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Holstered weapons are fine as long as they stay holstered. See my edited post above. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. This is why I am careful about what gets put on the list. If you have a problem with that, don't use it... and don't get pissy because you don't get your way. I hear there's a cute little forum called GlockTalk for that. |
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FMCDH Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: Holstered weapons are fine as long as they stay holstered. See my edited post above. So, just like Just_A_Car expected, a poorly worded sign. Probably based on the fact that people don't stop to read long worded signs. Or maybe they were just being lazy...(shrug) If its short and concise with big letters, its a notice... (MUST READ) If its wordy with multiple lines, its a bulletin... (SUGGESTED READ) When in doubt....ask. Last edited on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 02:23 am by FMCDH |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. Just_a_car, I did not get pissy and M1Gunr was nice enough to get it fixed, and you were out of line saying I was jumping to conclusions before checking it out for your self like M1Gunr. The sign said what it said and I don't trespass! |
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diesel556 Lone Star Veteran
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flagwaver wrote: just_a_car wrote:Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. +1 Now, let's put them on the Good Guys list Last edited on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 05:47 am by Richard6218 |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Safeway added to DNP Kesselring Gun Shop added to Pro-gun Business Last edited on Thu Feb 12th, 2009 10:49 am by just_a_car |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Safeway added to DNP Sorry -- found what I was looking for Last edited on Thu Feb 12th, 2009 03:10 pm by Richard6218 |
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joeroket Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Safeway added to DNP I would remove Safeway as a Corp. from the list and simply add the specific ones that people are asked to leave. I have personally talked to the head of Security for Safeway. They have no written policy on firearms, period. They do however give the managers discretion to request that you leave or conceal. |
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kenshin Regular Member
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flagwaver wrote: just_a_car wrote:Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. Sign or no sign, it wouldn't be trespassing until they asked you to leave and you refused to. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Safeway removed from DNP List, due to this thread. |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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kenshin wrote: flagwaver wrote:just_a_car wrote:Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. Clarification please? I thought a sign was notification. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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flagwaver wrote: kenshin wrote:flagwaver wrote:just_a_car wrote:Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. No you can have a no trespassing sign on your property but unless you have a gate across your driveway its an implied invitation to your front door. You then have to tell them verbally to leave if they don't leave then they are trespassing. This is my understanding and I could be completely wrong, but this is what I was told in the past. |
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kenshin wrote: flagwaver wrote:just_a_car wrote:Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign. That is only partially true. If they word their signs properly, however I have seen signs in the past that were done property. If done correctly then it can be trespassing IE: NO Trespassing - Permission to enter is granted provided you follow the following conditions: 1. 2. 3. etc. At this point, You are trespassing unless you are following their rules. The rules are "Lawful Conditions" mentioned in the trespassing RCW. The sign must be posted at all entrances, and at certain intervals surrounding the property. |
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cbpeck Regular Member
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OC at Cabela's. Hello. I'm a new, first time poster. Its been a while since I've been to Cabela's in Lacey, but during my last visit I remember the greeter insisting on confiscating my unloaded, cased 1911 (I was looking for a decent holster). I remember them saying that concealed sidearms wouldn't be confiscated, obviously, but I never got a clear understanding of their OC stance. I'd like to assume that they're not going to object to OC, but anybody know for sure? Thanks. p.s. I've never OC'd before, but I've double read all of the regs and I'm planning on beginning to. Forgive me if this is the wrong forum in which to ask, but I'm debating between two holsters for the occasional times I'll open carry my Kimber Custom CDP II ("5 barrel): Galco Yaqui Slide and the Tucker Compact Pancake. I gotta think Tucker wins hands down in quality & craftsmanship, but I like the aesthetics of the Yaqui. Any informed opinions offered publicly or privately would be appreciated. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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cbpeck wrote: OC at Cabela's. If you are fitting it for a holster or other accessories you need to check the unloaded weapon with them. They are good to go on OC, just let the greeter know it will NOT be leaving the holster and continue on. As far as holsters, to each his own. Comfort, fit and reliability are my main objectives. |
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M1Gunr wrote:
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: kenshin wrote: flagwaver wrote:just_a_car wrote:Thanks M1Gunr... just goes to show that, yes, I was right about insinuating flagwaver was jumping to conclusions and he was wrong about the sign.
NO Trespassing - Permission to enter is granted provided you follow the following conditions: 1. 2. 3. etc.
Pardon my ignorance but this whole issue of trespass has me confused ad maximum. The RCW doesn't define it, other than to say as follows: (1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree if he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building. (9A.52.070) I have heard the likes of what you said about signs, Right_Wing, but I don't find any definition that says that, or any statement of those requirements. This sub-paragraph seems intentionally vague to allow prosecution on the widest range of circumstances. The operative phrase "enters or remains unlawfully" leaves it to anyone to define, which for us could be an LEO, or a store owner/manager, or a judge. So to narrow it down, who makes the determination at law that a trespass exists, and who defines the act that constitutes a violation? Absent a clear definition of all these it seems to me that we could have a wide range of defenses if confronted with a charge under this sub-paragraph. So could someone PLEASE explain this whole concept for us dummies, just to help us stay out of trouble? |
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Added Dino's Greek & Italian Cuisine to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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And open carriers get a discount |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I just want to let everyone know that I may be rather slow in updating the list from now until March 16th. This is my last quarter at the UW and it's literally "do or die"... in that I must get a 2.0 in the very difficult class I'm taking to graduate. Just a head's-up that I'm not letting it slide for no reason. |
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just_a_car wrote: I just want to let everyone know that I may be rather slow in updating the list from now until March 16th. This is my last quarter at the UW and it's literally "do or die"... in that I must get a 2.0 in the very difficult class I'm taking to graduate. Completely understandable. I think we can fend for ourselves on this for a while Last edited on Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 03:47 am by FMCDH |
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Manu Regular Member
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I totally understand just a car. been there. But we are for sure looking forward to see you at Wilows get together in seatac at Deros place. Goodluck in your persuit. |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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Concentrate on school ...you have been doing us a great service. |
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just_a_car wrote: I just want to let everyone know that I may be rather slow in updating the list from now until March 16th. This is my last quarter at the UW and it's literally "do or die"... in that I must get a 2.0 in the very difficult class I'm taking to graduate. Oh, come on... this is waaaaay more important, right? Anyway, thanks for all the help on this subject, get your homework done and we'll see you again when you have more time. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Pro Gun list. Mark and his crew did a great job in printing up the last batch of pamphlets for us. Savage Color 3614 2nd Ave NW • Seattle, WA 98107-4911 Phone: (206) 632-2866 • Fax: (206) 632-7560 • Toll-Free: (888) 889-0889 E-mail: info@savagecolor.com http://www.savagecolor.com/ |
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Legend45 Regular Member 
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Keep in mind that policies are not laws, and you won't be arrested for breaking a policy. If you are asked to leave and don't then you could be arrested for trespassing. That said just get a concealed pistol license for when you encounter a business that doesn't allow open carry, and go about your business and keep your mouth shut. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Legend45 wrote: Keep in mind that policies are not laws, and you won't be arrested for breaking a policy. If you are asked to leave and don't then you could be arrested for trespassing. That said just get a concealed pistol license for when you encounter a business that doesn't allow open carry, and go about your business and keep your mouth shut. *snicker* You're funny... |
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Legend45 Regular Member
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I thought this was a adult forum. The founder I believe is trying to get the law changed in his state in the proper way. Its easy to see that by the post that many on here still need to grow up because they don't demonstrate they know how to solve or deal with confrontations with people who don't agree with open carry. I, for a long time have written my elected officials to get their input or to voice my opinion about a bill or propose a bill. I've even taken a day off from work and driven to the capital to see them personally. Another method is presenting your story to the news media and try to get them to cover your story. Letters to the editor is another. Getting into a argument with a store owner waving the 2ND amendment is not going to win them over. Complying with their request and make a appointment with them to discuss it might. Ever heard the saying "don't flaunt it". I conceal carry. I live in the NW where it rains a lot so that works for me. If I'm on my bike in nice weather I might open carry. I also am a life member in the NRA and Washington Gun Collectors. Both have attorneys that take up gun rights violations. I will always defend the right to keep and bear arms. That said going toe to toe with a police officer or store employee is a no win situation. If your not working and want to spend a night in jail and hire a attorney to stand before a judge to make your point, be my guest. Me I'd rather not go through that hassle for a no win situation. Better to comply and if it involved the police ask they educate their officers on gun laws. |
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compmanio365 Regular Member
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I'm sorry....you did realize you were on a forum about OPEN CARRY, did you not? If you want to try to convince everyone here to CC, good luck. And since you haven't been around long, maybe you haven't seen the rousing success people have had in getting their case heard by a judge, winning, and then turning around and suing for damages, all of which causes the PD in question to think twice about violating people's rights in the future. But if you want to continue to be ashamed about your rights and live in fear of your government, go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when we all tell you that you are full of sh**. |
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Legend45 Regular Member
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Trying to give you advice I see is a waste of my time. Go ahead and have your day in court. I'd rather fight at the State level still having my guns. |
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Ajetpilot Regular Member
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You imply that you know someone who has lost their gun due to open carry. Would you please tell us who, or is that just your fantasy? |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: M1Gunr wrote:A simple email has been sent to Kesserlings ( info@kesserlings.com). I will post the reply when I get it. They also changed their sign I forgot to take a picture of it last time I was there. I only live a few minutes away. But I think Kesselring should be on the pro-gun business. Their new sign reads NO LOADED WEAPONS EXCEPT FOR CCP AND HOLSTERED WEAPONS. I bet it was because of M1gunr contact. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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sudden valley gunner wrote: M1Gunr wrote:M1Gunr wrote:A simple email has been sent to Kesserlings ( info@kesserlings.com). I will post the reply when I get it. As of about a month ago they are on the pro- list "due to this thread" |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Added Safeway in Olympia to Watch List. Added Safeway and Starbucks in Des Moines to Pro-Guns List. Edit: Also added Savage Color to Pro-Guns List, who printed our pamphlets this last run and the owner (who PM'd me) supports his employees being lawfully armed at work. Last edited on Fri Mar 27th, 2009 10:04 pm by just_a_car |
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Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. Is this company-wide, or only specific locations? |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Is this company-wide, or only specific locations? This email was in response to an issue with a former Marine being removed at the store managers request in Colorado. It turns out that the VP of Operations ( a former Marine himself) did not agree with the manager and created a corporate policy that allowed for lawful carry Corporate Wide. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. I have Corporate letters and email from the following that allow lawful carry in their stores: Home Depot Lowes Toys R US Barnes and Noble |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Home Depot - Weapons Policy Attachment: homedepot-policy.pdf (Downloaded 27 times) Last edited on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 08:10 pm by M1Gunr |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Toys R US - Weapons Policy Attachment: toys-r-us.pdf (Downloaded 19 times) |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: Home Depot - Weapons Policy M1: This is an OLD letter that I have seen (and downloaded) some months ago. Do you have any evidence this policy has not been rescinded? Perhaps a followup with them would be in order, just to be sure. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Richard6218 wrote: M1Gunr wrote: M1: This is an OLD letter that I have seen (and downloaded) some months ago. Do you have any evidence this policy has not been rescinded? Perhaps a followup with them would be in order, just to be sure. In my last issue with the University Place Home Depot I showed them that letter and I was left alone. I hate to stir the pot when there is no real need to do so but here goes.....A letter will be sent out. |
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Richard6218 Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: Richard6218 wrote:M1Gunr wrote: M1: This is an OLD letter that I have seen (and downloaded) some months ago. Do you have any evidence this policy has not been rescinded? Perhaps a followup with them would be in order, just to be sure. I agree that it might be stirring the pot, but I think it's better than getting a nasty surprise. When you write it might be good to reference the original letter just so they don't think this is something new. FWIW all we're asking is confirmation. |
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whitehawk Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: just_a_car wrote:Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. On the front page there are two Lowe's listed under the watch section... Also - could those letters and all corporate letters be uploaded and linked to from the original post? |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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whitehawk wrote: M1Gunr wrote:just_a_car wrote:Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. You're right... now read the links provided to learn why they're there and until I hear that those locations have been educated about their own policy, it's still an unfriendly place to do business with, so you can take your business to a different Lowes if you so choose. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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whitehawk wrote: M1Gunr wrote:just_a_car wrote:Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. The letters are available at http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?action=downloads under the Store Policy Bulletins. |
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whitehawk Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: whitehawk wrote:I still don't see where the links were to those under the original post (where it makes most sense to me that they would be, but thats just me). But since you said to look at links, you may as well remove the following links under DO NOT PATRONIZE:M1Gunr wrote:just_a_car wrote:Added Barnes & Noble to the Pro-Gun Businesses List. costco south center mall bob bridge toyota tri-state ikea (both) capital mall olive garden kitsap mall redmond town center cascade mall northtown mall sharpshooting (both) or basically, all of them except the 1/2 price books, because none of the rest of them work. I think you are wise to have those 2 Lowe's under the watch list; I was just looking for info and trying to help out. I may check the links under other sections in the original post later to let you know of dead ones. IMO archives should be kept (and probably are being kept, I just don't know where) of the threads that document why certain stores are on each list. I appreciate everything you are doing here. joeroket wrote: The letters are available at http://forum.nwcdl.org/index.php?action=downloads under the Store Policy Bulletins. Thank you! |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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whitehawk wrote: I still don't see where the links were to those under the original post (where it makes most sense to me that they would be, but thats just me). But since you said to look at links, you may as well remove ... basically, all of them except the 1/2 price books, because none of the rest of them work. This is because there's something up with the forum software that's adding crap into links I post, breaking the links. I've contact John about this once before and had to repost the page with corrected links. Apparently it's happening again. If you click a link and it has "/forum55/forum55/" in the address, erase one of those and have it just be "/forum55/" and the link will work. I'll be talking with John about this, since it seems to be a recurring problem. |
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Regarding Costco, I believe I posted the initial link. I contacted the corporate office and received a letter stating the the do not allow firearms in their business. A statement indicating they felt their patrons would be safer without people carrying firearms. If you are concerned that the company is being listed incorrectly perhaps you can contact them and get statement that Costco is not banning guns in their stores. I would very much like to have them change their position. I would like to add another business to the do NOT patronize list and it is: Design Space Modular Building - http://www.dsmbi.com - (509) 244-0346 When I enter the business to check on prices for 2-40' containers I was immediately confronted by a extremely agitated female who asked "Why are you carrying a gun? Take it out of here!" I said "no problem" and left. I then ordered 2 40' containers from another company. I really try to support local businesses and it was their loss. I will likely by more than a dozen containers in the next year...it just won't be from them. |
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I don't know personally what Costco's official stance is on carrying, but I have OC'd there while shopping a couple times at their Bellingham store with out anyone saying a word. yummm....samples |
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cdjspider wrote: I don't know personally what Costco's official stance is on carrying, but I have OC'd there while shopping a couple times at their Bellingham store with out anyone saying a word. yummm....samples Of course this totally negates the whole idea of having DNP lists. Once a company ends up on the list, they get NO MORE OF MY MONEY. Just because I can probably "Get away" with carrying there is not a reason to support them and their anti-gun policies. |
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Right Wing Wacko wrote: cdjspider wrote:True True, I've decided to avoid going to anti gun places for the same reason everyone else does, but i've yet to make much use of it because I just found this list yesterdayI don't know personally what Costco's official stance is on carrying, but I have OC'd there while shopping a couple times at their Bellingham store with out anyone saying a word. yummm....samples |
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My wife sent me this today. This is in wenatchee. I told her to discontinue our service. She laughed and told me to mail the payment on time from now on.  |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Gray2Hairs wrote: I would like to add another business to the do NOT patronize list and it is: Really?... Please read the first post of this thread. From what you say there, it could have been just some random female. Was this a manager? How do you know? Did you ask to see a policy? There's a reason I set the rules down as they read... so that some anti-gun employee can't ruin a business's reputation by insulting a customer in violation of the company's policy. |
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Added Charter Communications to DNP List. Added Home Depot and Toys 'R' Us to Pro-Guns List |
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thefirststrike Regular Member
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And if you haven't been keeping up on the postings from other states, Waffle House corporate headquarters has made it clear through various emails to our members (and myself) that they forbid the carrying of ANY weapons on their premises (please see various postings from Tennessee and elsewhere). They should definitely be added to the DNP list. Dave |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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thefirststrike wrote: And if you haven't been keeping up on the postings from other states, Waffle House corporate headquarters has made it clear through various emails to our members (and myself) that they forbid the carrying of ANY weapons on their premises (please see various postings from Tennessee and elsewhere).For those that travel to locations that have Waffle Houses here is a copy of the letter. Since we don't have any in Washington State at this time, I doubt it will get added to the list. -----Waffle House Service <wafflehouse.service@na.ko.com> wrote: ----- To: xxxxxx From: Waffle House Service <wafflehouse.service@na.ko.com> Date: 03/09/2009 09:07PM Subject: RE: Firearms in your restaurant Dear Mr. Christopherson: At the Waffle House Guest Response Line, we received your inquiry today regarding our firearm policy. Thank you for taking the time to send us your question. No fire arms, guns, knives or other potentially dangerous weapons of any kind are allowed on Waffle House property, except in the possession of a law enforcement officer (with proper identification and credentials and/or in uniform) or a security guard (in uniform). Anyone else is asked to leave their weapon locked in their car while dining in the restaurant. Even if the customer has a license to carry a concealed weapon, this does NOT give them the right to carry it on to private property, such as Waffle House restaurants. Thanks so much for writing, Mr. Christopherson. We appreciate your interest and look forward to seeing you in one of our neighborhood restaurants soon. Sincerely, Kelly Waffle House Customer Support |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: For those that travel to locations that have Waffle Houses here is a copy of the letter. Since we don't have any in Washington State at this time, I doubt it will get added to the list. Well, I have made exception in the past for an Idaho business that was right across the border where E. WA residents would perhaps have frequented. I would be willing to do the same for OR businesses just across the state border. I went to Waffle House's website, but was unable to find any locations in WA, OR, or ID. Is this incorrect? If it is correct, then I see no reason to place it on the WA DNP List. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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the closest Waffle House I found was in Colorado. Now I want bacon..... |
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flagwaver Regular Member
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This is for your information only as before I am not asking for for a DNP listing. SKYVALLEY TRADERS INC. 18600 route 2 Monroe, Wa., black on white sign at eye level on entry door "PLEASE NO LOADED GUNS". I asked the manager who was behind the counter if it included holstered and concealed weapons. His response was the sign says NO LOADED GUNS and thats what it means. |
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GreatWhiteLlama Regular Member 
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Redmond Cycle = Gun Friendly The G/F and I decided that we wanted to purchase a couple bicycles. We have both been to a few shops looking at different makes and models and to cement our decision, we wanted to rent a pair to see what our commutes would be like with them. We decided to rent from Redmond Cycle because they are a local shop and the staff was very helpful and friendly. There was never any pressure to purchase, just a desire to answer any and all questions. When we went, I was wearing shorts and a a T-Shirt which emphasized the fact that I was carrying. Although everyone there clearly noticed that I was carrying, not a single person so much as batted an eye. Today we decided to pull the trigger and make the purchases. I went to the shop solo (while OC'ing of course) sense the G/F had a cycling class at her gym and once again the staff was very happy to see me and even remembered my name .After getting home I noticed a small nick in the paint, (more than likely due to transport) and called them to see if they had any touch-up paint. While talking with the owner, (it's a family owned shop) I brought up the fact that nobody there ever said anything about my carrying a firearm. She laughed and said "we don't care". I then asked if I could add Redmond Cycle to our 'Gun Friendly Database', (after a brief explanation of what that was). She said I was more than welcome to do so. just_a_car, Would it be possible to alphabetize the DNP, WL, and Patronize lists? It would make searching for a particular business a little easier... |
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FMCDH Regular Member
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Here is a good word for a few businesses I frequent in the Bothell/Kenmore area... Kenmore Safeway, 6850 NE Bothell Way, Kenmore Never been so much as approached for OC in all the years I have been going there, even by the King County Sheriffs and Kenmore PD who frequent it. Had a few brief conversations with customers however, never negative. Kenmore Barber, 6524 NE 181st St., Kenmore (425-481-4150) (10$ haircuts for public servants, i.e. Military, Police, Fire, etc.) Talked with the owner and the other woman who works there and they are both ok with "a law abiding citizen who packs a firearm with them."  Nice people Great Clips, 6850 NE Bothell Way, Kenmore (Right next to Safeway) I OC there every time and have never had them bat so much as an eye or make a comment. Not sure what their official policy is, but they are a national chain so I imagine its the same as most chain service stores, APSL. Beware: Mothers with children frequent the store, so you MAY be confronted even though I have not. The seating area is small, so you WILL be noticed. DJs Loan and Sport, 10412 Beardslee Blvd, Bothell (425-486-1919) Its a family owned business and my FFL dealer of choice ($30) OC isn't common but the brothers that own it don't have any problem with it as long as it stays holstered, same rule as CC. If anyone would like me to do test case for any of the other businesses in the area, let me know. Be happy to expand my horizons. Last edited on Thu May 21st, 2009 07:34 am by FMCDH |
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knight_308 Regular Member 
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I don't know if I'm repeating something here, but check out this post: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/26012.html It certainly wouldn't be a replacement for the DNP list, but is very cool. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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updated: Lakewood, Tacoma & Federal Way |
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GizmoHD Regular Member
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Due to the overall need, we've started a new place where people can post nationwide the gun friendly/unfriendly status of businesses http://www.nocarryzones.com The database in in sandbox mode until 6/1/2009 when it goes live 100% Features:
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GreatWhiteLlama Regular Member
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"Due to the overall need, we've started a new place where people can post nationwide the gun friendly/unfriendly status of businesses http://www.nocarryzones.com The database in in sandbox mode until 6/1/2009 when it goes live 100% Features:
As of this posting, there is no place to post gun friendly locations. Change this and remember that we are concerned with both forms of carry, not just concealed. Thanks! Edited to quote what my response was in reference to. Last edited on Sun May 31st, 2009 03:27 am by GreatWhiteLlama |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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Pro List add - Needing a haircut badly I decided to stop in and give them a try. Wearing shorts and my 1911 I got a look as I went in but nothing said. Once I was in the chair Gilbert asked if I carried all the time at which point I said I did. He lifted his smock and showed me his pistol as said with a big grin "Me Too." We discussed OpenCarry, guns and laws. He's also a WAC member and collects pistols. I left 75 of the Gun Rights Pamphlets with him and he is now my new barber. For those of you who like the feel of a straight razor its still in use in his shop ($10 for a haircut). Gilbert & Norma's Hairstyling and Barber Shop 6119 E. McKinnley Ave. Tacoma, WA. (Se Habla Espanol) |
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GizmoHD Regular Member
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T-RaV wrote: "Due to the overall need, we've started a new place where people can post nationwide the gun friendly/unfriendly status of businesses Added the functionality to highlight those businesses that are supportive and the language has been modified to Carry (both open and concealed). So I'd like to invite all of you to come check it out. I've manually entered a bunch of the businesses listed on this site in order to get going. So Check it out! I look forward to seeing you there. Additionally, each time a business is posted/modified. a related entry is posted to the forums there that have a direct link to the map (for direct discussions on a given business) http://www.nocarryzones.com Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 07:01 am by GizmoHD |
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DEROS72 Regular Member 
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Speaking of haircuts I go to Third Diminsion next to the Fred Meyer on Pac Hwy all the time open carry.They have never had an issue with it.See Dana there she is really good.Also My daughter and and son in law took me to the Firecreek Grille for dinner , in Kent by the Golf course .I was open carry and no one said a word. |
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Washintonian_For_Liberty Regular Member 
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Bookman wrote: I currently have an e-mail in to Kroger. They are the parent corporation for Albertson's, Fred Meyer, QFC & others. I'll post the results when I receive them. Just a correction, Albertson's is owned by parent company Supervalu Inc. not Kroger. |
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TechnoWeenie Regular Member
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Add Burlington coat factory to the DNP list.... Shot them an email after being kicked out, apparently they changed their policy... Only uniformed, on duty, police officers, are allowed to carry.. W T F.... Dear Mr. xxxxxxx, |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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Thats too bad I hate to see that list grow. |
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Aaron1124 Regular Member 
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By law, can't off duty police officers carry anywhere, regardless of what business restricts firearms? |
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j2l3 Regular Member 
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No, a private business can still make their own rules. SOme departments require their officers to carry off duty, when they encounter a business that prohibits their carry, they must respect that as you and I do. |
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Aaron1124 Regular Member
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Interesting. Well, that's understandable. I guess it would be the same circumstances as entering a private residence while off duty. If they're not on duty, and the home owner doesn't want them to bring their weapon inside, then they can't. Same logic that I obviously overlooked. |
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j2l3 Regular Member
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Even if they are on duty, they cannot enter private property without permission unless they are investigating a crime. |
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Aaron1124 Regular Member
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Are you talking about *any* kind of private property? It seems that would be logical for residences, but a business? Saying if a certain store restricts firearms, and a police officer runs inside to grab some lunch, the store management can legally tell him to leave? If that's true, that sounds kind of funny. |
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j2l3 Regular Member
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It is true, doesn't happen very often, but it is true. Police do not have blanket authority to go wherever they want unless a crime has occured and the location is part of the investigation. If I own a business and do not want the police inside it for any reason unless called or they are investigating a crime, I can restrict that. |
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Manu Regular Member
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Thats True Aaron |
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Aaron1124 Regular Member
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Wow. I learned something new today. I wonder how many people would actually have the guts to tell an on duty police officer to leave their store while they were grabbing some food. |
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Manu Regular Member
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For sure I'll not unless there are some really serious pressing reasons |
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U8Dust Regular Member
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Question - Does anyone have experience open carrying at the Fred Meyer off of Pacific HWY In the Des Moines/Kent area? The side streets are Pacific Highway S and about 251st st or something near there. |
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DEROS72 Regular Member
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I carry in there all the time and have never had a problem.Bookman and I were in there the other day without incident.I only had the one incident with the Kent cops.Had a coffee with Desmoines cops earlier today.Gave them invitations to our Willow lake meet. |
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wolfshead Regular Member
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You can add the Foster's Golf Course to the list. I saw a "No Firearms" sign today when I went there for lunch at the Billy Baroo's restaurant. I couldn't turn back because I was with co-workers. I won't be going there again. http://www.fostergolflinks.com/sites/courses/view.asp?id=305&page=7050 |
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Bader Regular Member
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No biggy. I'll just carry concealed into those businesses if I ever find that I need to go there for some reason. Like another poster said, they can't kick you out for something they can't see. |
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brianstone1985 Regular Member
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This may have already been thought of... can we make this list or compile it by City? I think that would make it easier to keep track of when living/visiting a city. 2 cents.... |
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1245A Defender Regular Member 
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this list has become a useless waste!! unless it is updated the compilation has no usefulness. it also needs a section of corporations that follow state law, so all branches have the same policy! |
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sudden valley gunner Regular Member
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2, 4, 5 A defender wrote: this list has become a useless waste!! unless it is updated the compilation has no usefulness. it also needs a section of corporations that follow state law, so all branches have the same policy! Sad to say there hasn't been much update because people haven't moderated their own posts much and I think it has discouraged Just_A_Car from showing up much. If you have something valid to ad to the list just PM him. |
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M1Gunr Regular Member
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wolfshead wrote: You can add the Foster's Golf Course to the list. I saw a "No Firearms" sign today when I went there for lunch at the Billy Baroo's restaurant. I couldn't turn back because I was with co-workers. I won't be going there again. Isn't the course city owned and run as part of the "Parks" program? |
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Phssthpok Regular Member
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M1Gunr wrote: wolfshead wrote:You can add the Foster's Golf Course to the list. I saw a "No Firearms" sign today when I went there for lunch at the Billy Baroo's restaurant. I couldn't turn back because I was with co-workers. I won't be going there again. YUP. Carry on. |
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noname762 Regular Member
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Mainsail wrote:I was not allowed to enter Jared Jewelery in Tacoma. The armed guard pointed to the huge sign they have posted (that I missed) by the door. I used to be a patient of one of the doctors at The Everett Clinic in Marysville WA. One day as I was about to enter their building I happened to notice a sign to the left of the entrance. It was smallish, say ten inches square of a semi auto pistol with a slash running through it. Plain as day it said "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED". I then returned to my truck and stowed my pistol away and locked my truck. I was put out by their attitude and considered calling them out on their policy. I chose not to. I do not go their clinic anymore. There are plenty of medical practitioners in my area. It has been about 2 years since this took place. I do not have reason to shop or do business in the Marysville area at this time. If the EVERETT CLINIC still follows this policy of NO FIREARMS ALLOWED I would like to see them placed on the DO NOT PATRONIZE LIST. noname762, CCP holder of 22+years |
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joeroket Regular Member
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The everett clinic still has a no firearms policy. It is very similar to Group Healths policy. |
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BusMaster007 Regular Member 
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Informative. Checking in for the first time in a long time via ARFCOM link. I will keep this list in mind. Thanks. |
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bennie1986 Regular Member 
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The manager at Jewelry Design Center in Spokane respectfully asked me to leave my gun in the car. Last edited on Sun Aug 23rd, 2009 12:11 am by bennie1986 |
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brianstone1985 Regular Member
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Regarding Jewelry Design Center on this list. Doug Toone and his son Brian are avid hunters and longtime members of the NRA. I called Greg about this and he said; "I am an avid hunter with multiple firearms, a lifetime member of the NRA and a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the right for everyone to open carry in public I also have to appease the masses in my place of business, currently I would appreciate if Concealed Carry were utilized when shopping in the Jewelry design center." Just wanted to post what I have verified from my followup conversation. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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brianstone1985 wrote: Regarding Jewelry Design Center on this list. Doug Toone and his son Brian are avid hunters and longtime members of the NRA. I called Greg about this and he said; "I am an avid hunter with multiple firearms, a lifetime member of the NRA and a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the right for everyone to open carry in public I also have to appease the masses in my place of business, currently I would appreciate if Concealed Carry were utilized when shopping in the Jewelry design center." It's a respectful followup they gave you, but it still puts them firmly on the DNP list. SharpShooters, owned by Robin Ball is a shooting range that has the same attitude (although voiced a bit more forcefully). They're on the DNP list too. |
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noname762 Regular Member
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DEROS72 wrote:I carry in there all the time and have never had a problem.Bookman and I were in there the other day without incident.I only had the one incident with the Kent cops.Had a coffee with Desmoines cops earlier today.Gave them invitations to our Willow lake meet. Are you sure Toyz R Us allows OC/CC? The reason I ask is twofold. One last time I was there (2-3 years ago) they didn't even sell toy guns. I wasn't carrying that day most likely. Now days I CC 24/7. Right or wrong these days I carry period. If a no guns sign is posted there's a 50/50 chance I won't go in. If I do go in I am armed. Like it or lump it. Thats just the way I am. Like it or lump it. |
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abdogg1684 Regular Member
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Add West Coast Armory in Issaquah to the "good guys." They are the closest FFL to me, so I called to ask what their open carry policy was. They said I was more than welcome to open carry. I've gone in there several times before I switched to OC and the service has always been top notch. |
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Manu Regular Member
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I have noticed most of our new members call to businesses and ask their permissions to OC. Is like calling every place before going there and asking them what is your policy about facial hair....Whats up with this, I just OC and go about my business and then figure out how they behave you always have chance get out of their property if they do not like OC. Then you can choose which way you want to go... |
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Aaron1124 Regular Member
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"Excuse me. Can you tell me your companies policies on guests coming in with a chinstrap goatee?" |
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abdogg1684 Regular Member
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I'm not sure why you even care if we call and find out the company policy on OC before going there. Does it have some negative affect on you? You should be happy that more people are OCing, and trying to get the word out there. So who gives a rip if we call before hand. | |||||||||
