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marine dad Regular Member
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ok. first of all, let me state that although this will be difficult to believe, it is absolutely true, and it is verifiable. my best friend just got back from vegas, and came over tonight to relate an incident he had. he and a couple of friends were going to vegas for the weekend, and decided to drive to chicago, spend the night with another friend, and then all of them fly out of ohare the next day. he had carried his firearm in a fanny pack on the drive, and that night they cooked out and had a few brews. he had planned to put his firearm in his luggage and declare it, but he said that he just simply forgot. he arrives at the airport with his friends, checks in and gets the tickets squared away, and as he passed through the screening station, he set off the bells and whistles. he said the attendant at the screening station told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt to go through the screening process. he still had not thought anything about the firearm, and to be honest, was a little bit hungover. he placed his pack on the belt, and the screener started talking to the guy in line behind my friend, whom he seemed to know. when the pack came out the other end, the screener, who was still engaged in conversation with the other guy, handed the fanny pack back to my friend, who placed it back around his waist and went to the gate area. he had a little while before boarding, and in the course of waiting awhile, he went to get something from the pack and realized he had his pistol. keep in mind that at this point he had passed several checkpoints, gone through an x-ray station, etc, etc... when he realized the situation he was in, he almost had a stroke. he could have boarded the plane, at this point! after he calmed down, he went to a cpd officer and told him he needed to speak with him. he calmly explained the situation to the officer, who had a VERY hard time comprehending how this had happened. my friend asked if he wanted him to show him the firearm, and the officer replied NO! the officer had my friend take him and point out the person who had sent him through the checkpoint. my friend had explained to the officer and provided identification verifying that he was retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. the officer called a friend who was also cpd, who brought a lockable storage container for the firearm and sold it to my friend on the spot. they then escorted him to an area where he could place the unloaded firearm in the case, lock it up, and then went with him to declare the firearm. all in all, he said they were very helpful after their initial shock, and his firearm arrived in vegas with no problems whatsoever, but that this experience definately took a few years off his life. my friend is a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor, and while i may have left out some of the details, i have no doubt that this story, while pretty wild, is true. makes you wonder about those security people that we trust our lives to. i have told this story with my friends permission. |
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HankT State Researcher 
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marine dad wrote: my best friend ....retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. ... a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor... ...and a goof with a gun. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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well, i agree with you to an extent. however, having carried a firearm pretty much daily for about 25 years now, there have been times when i have realized i was somewhere i was not supposed to have a firearm, myself. i have on occasion over the years found myself in a bank, school, place that charged admission, etc, etc. i stopped by the courthouse once to eat lunch with a friend who was a deputy, and had spent 30 minutes in the building with my friend when he statedto me ; " i can't believe you've gone this long without your glock." to which i replied: 'ooops... |
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openryan State Researcher 
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marine dad wrote: well, i agree with you to an extent. however, having carried a firearm pretty much daily for about 25 years now, there have been times when i have realized i was somewhere i was not supposed to have a firearm, myself. i have on occasion over the years found myself in a bank, school, place that charged admission, etc, etc. i stopped by the courthouse once to eat lunch with a friend who was a deputy, and had spent 30 minutes in the building with my friend when he statedto me ; " i can't believe you've gone this long without your glock." to which i replied: 'ooops...I caught myself almost walking into the post officer while cc'ing before, never went in, actually it was the no weapons signage that alerted me. I wonder what happened to the person who let him past the checkpoint... if he was not even trying, it is unsettling to think of what someone could do if they were trying! Did you by chance talk about what he would have done if he actually borded the plane and then realized -- I would think if he brought this to an attendants attention mid-flight, that it may be cause for an emergency landing. Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 03:41 am by openryan |
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SP101 Activist Member
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HankT wrote: marine dad wrote:my best friend ....retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. ... a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor... HankT....you always seem to have a way with words. Get a life!!!!!  Glad all worked out for your friend marine dad. That could have been a Major jam.  |
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PavePusher Regular Member
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Sounds like the authorities handled it very well. I would have expected them to drop the sky on his head... |
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Lew Regular Member
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Sometimes, you should just keep your mouth shut.  |
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HankT State Researcher
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SP101 wrote: HankT wrote:marine dad wrote:my best friend ....retired military, was himself a pilot, and also an faa certified mechanic. ... a very trustworthy person, a retired usmc drill instructor... The goof with a gun could have locked up the terminal for an hour or more....simply because he is a drunk...<shakes head> |
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marine dad Regular Member
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hank, you, sir. are not a marine, obviously. i would point out that my friend, ( along with thousands of other people) , might drink a little too much about twice a year. this certainly doesn't make him ( nor anyone else ) a drunk. it is easy to name call and act cool hiding behind a computer keyboard. i suggest you find a good little bar in your area and explain to the marines who frequent it that they are goofs, drunks, and idiots. |
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nakedshoplifter Regular Member 
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OK, your friend, who is not a LEO or otherwise someone legally permitted to carry a loaded, concealed pistol in Chi... Had a loaded concealed pistol in O'Hare (past a security checkpoint!) and brought it to the attention of the CPD... And he didn't eat concrete? They actually *sold* him a container to secure his weapon and let him go? I'm just a bit curious why (how) he was running around in IL with a concealed pistol. There must be more to this story than you have written. Having a pilots license (I have one) does not cut the mustard, and neither does being an FAA mechanic. Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 11:35 am by nakedshoplifter |
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HankT State Researcher
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nakedshoplifter wrote: OK, your friend, who is not a LEO or otherwise someone legally permitted to carry a loaded, concealed pistol in Chi... All good points/questions, NSL. marine dad's hungover friend was illegal before he even stepped into the terminal, according to marine dad's story. Hmm, marine dad said in the very first sentence of his story...."it is absolutely true, and it is verifiable." Maybe marinedad could verify the story as he has offered to do? |
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unrequited Regular Member 
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IL Fanny pack carry? He didn't mention loaded/unloaded until the end so *shrug*... need more info please. IL Fanny pack carry meaning carrying an unloaded firearm in a fully enclosed case (fanny pack) which was just upheld at a lower court by one of the guys who keeps pushing it: http://icarry.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=318 Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 06:18 pm by unrequited |
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HankT State Researcher
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unrequited wrote: IL Fanny pack carry? He didn't mention loaded/unloaded until the end so *shrug*... need more info please. Un, are you hoping (against hope) that the guy was walking around with an unloaded handgun? And that he cleared an unloaded gun through the security station? That would be interesting... I do agree more info is needed, though. The OP said the story was verifiable, so perhaps he can do that. |
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Tomahawk Regular Member 
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There have been a few stories in the last few years of people who bring contraband into terminals or onto airplanes accidentally, and because they think obeying the law is so important, they tell somebody and wind up getting charged. As one of the other posters said: sometimes you just need to shut up. And don't feel the need to respect every stupid law out there. Feeling guilty because you accidentally got away with exercising your right to self defense against hijackers is a waste of energy. Just count your lucky stars and don't do it again. And BTW, I am a Marine, for what it's worth. Last edited on Mon Aug 27th, 2007 09:11 pm by Tomahawk |
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bayboy42 Regular Member 
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So there are so many things out of whack with this story that I'd really like it verified (it is verifiable you know) before I enter into the discussion. Below are the points that just don't add up: 1. Marine Dad stated "He arrives at the airport with his friends, checks in and gets the tickets squared away..." and then later stated "He had a little while before boarding, and in the course of waiting awhile, he went to get something from the pack and realized he had his pistol." So when he was "getting his tickets squared away" he never once opened his fanny pack....not for his id required to check in.....iternerary...confirmation number....a tic tack? 2. Marine Dad stated "they then escorted him to an area where he could place the unloaded firearm in the case, lock it up, and then went with him to declare the firearm." How did they accomplish this feat? He had already checked in so presumably his checked backage had already been sent the screening booth and/or the airplane. Did they politely ask the Ticket Counter rep to recall his luggage and if so, what reason did they give for having it recalled? And how dow whe intend to verify this story? |
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SP101 Activist Member
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marine dad wrote: hank, I doubt HankT ever served in ANY of the armed services. He may be in the Salvation Army though.(in charge of ringing the bell) I also doubt he has the nads to call anyone in a bar a goof, drunk, or idiot, let alone a marine. Back on topic, I think the main reason for this thread was to point out that the security at alot of major airports is a joke, and that when flying, you need to still be looking for suspicious characters and not let your guard down. |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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Just so my point and motives are clear: 1. Do I disagree that the security at a lot of major airports is a joke? NO 2. Do I agree that when flying you need to still be looking for suspicious characters and not let your guard down? YES 3. Do I believe that an individual walked into a major airport with a firearm in his fanny pack (that he intended to declare), checked his backage, walked to the security checkpoint, tried to first walk through the detector with his fanny pack on, make it through the TSA screening, realized he had his gun, bring it to the attention of not one but two police officers, was able to purchase a lock box "on the spot", and be politely escorted back to the ticket counter to fetch his already checked baggage and declare is firearm? NO  I agree with most of Tomahawks points as well. |
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SP101 Activist Member
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I don't see anywhere that he had to retrieve the baggage he had already checked. He should have only needed to show his ticket and get another tag to put on the additional item to be checked. I don't really see why any specific explaination to the person checking baggage would be required. Maybe he bought something else he wanted to take along, for example. I'm not in any way saying the guy was not at fault, but, it was not done intentionally either, or else he would not have done anything after getting past the checkpoint. |
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PT111 Regular Member 
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All I know is the last time I flew it was out of Dulles and when i walked through the metal detector it went off. I thought they were going to handcuff and strip search me right there. Turned out that the foil on a pack of cigarettes in my pocket triggered it. If the story is true it is almost unbelievable but strange things do happen. My wife has a cousin that is a pilot for Delta and he says that he never flies without his gun in his briefcase but he is the pilot. |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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SP101 - you make a good point about maybe just checking the "newly purchased lock box" vs. actually putting the box inside his already checked luggage (which is what I had in mind when I typed that. But its not quite as easy as "only needing to show his ticket and get another tag to put on the additional item to be checked". He would have to declare the firearm which more then likely would have struck the Ticket Counter as odd since he/she would have already seen that the passenger had already checked in once. Still waiting for verification from Marine Dad. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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quote: "and while i may have left out some of the details"......... unquote sorry guys, i had about 30 teenagers in my house last night when my friend was telling me all this, so i did miss many details, im sure. i will attempt to get more info for those curious. my friend realized he really screwed up, i'm sure, and made the statement to me that had he intentionally tried to do this, he would never have been able to. as for the cc in that area, i assume that he, like many others, chooses to be responsible for his own well-being, no matter what. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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ok, i have a few more details now. my friend stated that he was carrying a small pull behind case as a carry on, and wearing the fanny pack. he also stated he had unloaded the firearm the night b4, before he ever started drinking, and placed the 7 rounds in his truck, with the intention of placing the firearm in a lockable case to declare, and just forgot to do so, which is why it was still in the fanny pack. he also stated that the first officer he approached, after my friend producing all kinds of id, and engaging in all kinds of butt-kissing, etc, was EXTREMELY nice and helpful. he did state that there were more officers present who stated that they were going to make some calls, and the first officer told them not to make the call, that he would take care of it. one of the officers ( not sure which one ) went to his personal vehicle, locker, or SOMEWHERE, and returned with a lockable storage case, and offered it to my friend. my friend insisted on paying him for it, and the first officer, who was being the "good guy", escorted my friend to a restroom, where he placed the unloaded firearm in the case and locked it. then they went to wherever he had to go to declare the firearm, did the paperwork, ( he stated he had to sign a form saying he had the only key to the case, or something to that effect ), and after completing the paperwork, the locked case was placed inside the small luggage he had planned to carry on, and was shipped as luggage, he of course was not allowed to carry it on at this point. i suppose i spoke too soon about the verifiable bit, as for some strange reason he has forbid me to release his name and particulars. lol |
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Thank you for sharing this. I'd say your friend was extremely lucky, I hope he got some names to send some thank you notes (or bottles). I learned from this that if I am ever going to fly with my handgun, I will unload it and lock it in my suitcase the night before. I usually don't drink to that extent but who knows what could come up to make one forget the steps you planned. I hope I never have to fly again, but if I do, I will make sure to lock it up early. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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yeah, he said he asked the officer that was so helpful if he could buy his lunch or do anything else to show his appreciation, and the officer told him: " this never happened." if it were me, i would certainly find some way to thank this officer for his help. |
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HankT State Researcher
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marine dad wrote: i suppose i spoke too soon about the verifiable bit, as for some strange reason he has forbid me to release his name and particulars. lol What a surprise... But, you know, regardless of how one feels about the implementation philosophies of airport security, everyone should agree that the hungover goof with a gun caused a huge breach to the security protocols in place. And since about 4 or so security personnel goofed up, then I'm wondering: is it best to just report this breach of security incident to TSA or whoever has jurisdiction? There's probably enough info in the posts here to at least start an investigation on the reported failure of the O'Hare system. marine dad's buddy would be out of it with regard to prosecution, really. All the evidence is gone, right? But those CPD jokers and the checkpoint personnel really goofed up badly. I can't stand the kabuki-like aspects of the airport security gauntlet every time I fly. I hate that. But what I would hate even more is a porous kabuki-like security system there. One which would let goofs with guns in willy-nilly, depending on which $8/hr security station employee is on the job. Think the TSA would act on this marine dad's report of the airport security ....lol ? Would it be interested? |
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marine dad Regular Member
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hank, you know, i have tried to overllook your continued insulting of my friend. i have attempted to respond to you with respect, even though you have insisted on continuing to use degrading terminology in regards to my friend. what, exactly , is your problem. you seem to be either a cop, a cop ass-kisser, or a cop wannabe, none of which matters to me, as each of those is fully capable of getting their ass kicked just like anybody else. you will find that i do not come on here and play games, i do not come on here and insult people, and if You continue to do so, then i guess it is a good thing that you are hidden behind your computer. |
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HankT State Researcher
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marine dad wrote: hank, I never insulted your friend. You'll have to re-read the posts above to find it. Anyone who carries a handgun around Chicago in a fanny pack and goes into O'Hare and goes through security because he is hungover and forgot he had a gun on him is a goof with a gun. When something like that happens and it is discovered, it ties up the terminal for at least an hour while things get sorted out and the goof is taken off to meet stern people. In the meantime, delays and frantic security rigamarole is heaped on everyone who is there trying to catch a flight. If the guy is too hungover to know how to transport a handgun responsibly and properly through the 2nd biggest airport in the country, he is goof with a gun. That's not an insult, that's a fact. BTW, what's with the interesting phrase: "none of which matters to me, as each of those is fully capable of getting their ass kicked just like anybody else." ? Horrors! You're not one of those Internet tough guys, are you? |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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So when he got to Vegas, he didn't have any bullets for his gun? |
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marine dad Regular Member
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Horrors! You're not one of those Internet tough guys, are you? no sir, i'm not, but i don't tolerate those close to me being insulted, and will correct the situation whenever possible. this goof with a gun, as you call him, happened to have served your country in several little skirmishes where he not only carried a gun, but killed bad guys with it, while they , in turn, were trying to kill him. when you can say the same, i'll stop challenging your put downs. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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So when he got to Vegas, he didn't have any bullets for his gun? not sure if he had ammo in a suitcase somewhere, or if he bought more in vegas, or just didn't reload the firearm until he came back. |
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SP101 Activist Member
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HankT, I just wanted to let you know that you have stooped to the level of "LOWER THAN WHALE @#$%" on my scale of whale @#$% internet scumbags. I just thought you should know.  Here I thought that what others on this forum were saying about you was a little harsh, but after observing the majority of your posts, it has become clear to me that they were actually being NICE. Marine dad, next time you talk to your friend, tell him I said thank you for his service to our country,.... from one veteran to another. |
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openryan State Researcher
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marine dad wrote: hank, I LOVE pissing contests! Trying to be unbiased -- I don't think he insulted your friend, a lot of responsibility comes with carrying a gun, loaded or not. He happened to have a breach of attention or responsibility I guess you could say, I have had one, and I assume a lot of people had at one time or another, however he corrected his mistake the best he could. Its all over now, so he can't change what happened, but it is a lesson learned I guess. Hank does seem to have a lot of extra time to spend on here, certainly more than I do, even if his argument is not 'correct' at times, he does poke a lot of holes through arguments that do look legitimate unless you really try to pick them apart, and nobody likes having holes punched in an argument, but it is certainly no reason to get hung up on, and gripe over. Maybe not a 'goof with a gun', as this would incinuate that he is never responsible with a firearm, rather a lapse of responsibility, which could get you in a lot of trouble whether it was intended or not, certainly he got lucky here, as the people were decent and more than resonable that he dealth with. I would certainly hope it only takes one time to learn this lesson. But then, you started off your 'attack' for lack of a better word on Hank, and then you went to the level you believe he was acting at, if not lower by say 'ass-kisser', and negated the argument. I am not trying to give anyone a 'hard-time', just stating how I see things, you may appreciate that, or hate it.  |
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vote_no Regular Member
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This thread is why nobody respects OC. Please stop being retarded. |
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HankT State Researcher
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marine dad wrote: Horrors! You're not one of those Internet tough guys, are you? Huh? You will correct the situation whenever possible? How is that, pray tell? marine dad wrote: this goof with a gun, as you call him, happened to have served your country in several little skirmishes where he not only carried a gun, but killed bad guys with it, while they , in turn, were trying to kill him. when you can say the same, i'll stop challenging your put downs. How is this guy's service relevant to the situation in Chicago and at O'hare? 
Sounds like a goof with a gun to me.  And his service has absoutely nothing to do with it.  |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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Thanks for the clarification marine dad. I do have one additional question after reading your original post.... You stated: "He said the attendant at the screening station told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt to go through the screening process. he still had not thought anything about the firearm, and to be honest, was a little bit hungover. he placed his pack on the belt, and the screener started talking to the guy in line behind my friend, whom he seemed to know. when the pack came out the other end, the screener, who was still engaged in conversation with the other guy, handed the fanny pack back to my friend, who placed it back around his waist and went to the gate area." Which screener was it that told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt vs which screener was it that started talking to the guy in line behind your friend? I'm just trying to figure out which role each of the two TSA screeners assinged to this particlar station played in the oversight of the handgun in the fanny pack. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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"Which screener was it that told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt vs which screener was it that started talking to the guy in line behind your friend? I'm just trying to figure out which role each of the two TSA screeners assinged to this particlar station played in the oversight of the handgun in the fanny pack." i'm not sure, i didn't have all the info on that. |
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HankT State Researcher
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marine dad wrote:
Does your buddy have an Internet connection? |
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marine dad Regular Member
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This guy is riding around with a concealed loaded gun in Chicago. ( not true, he only possessed a loaded firearm for the trip from point a to point b. he was not "riding around" , as you put it. ) He then unloads his gun and walks around with it. He gets drunk and walks around with an unloaded gun while drinking. ( not true, he unloaded the firearm b4 he ever started drinking, took off the fanny pack, and didn't touch it again until morning ) He gets up the next morning and is hungover. ( true ) He rides to the airport hungover, and for personal defense, he has an unloaded gun in his fanny pack. ( so what, as it would have been illegal loaded, anyway ) He enters a major international airport and forgets to check his gun. ( true ) He does not even have an approved transport case to check his gun in inside his luggage. ( not true, he did, but it was forgotten and left in his truck at friends house ) He goes through security with a handgun on his person risking immediate arrest, shooting, and shutdown of the terminal. ( true ) He takes off the fanny pack with a heavy gun in it and still doesn't remember that it's there and puts it on the conveyer. ( true ) Through some extremely unlikely happenstance the security fails and a person hands him back a fanny pack with a heavy gun in it. ( true ) He takes the fanny pack and puts it back onto his person still not remembering there is a gun in it. ( true ) He breezes past more security checkpoints with a gun on his person and walks around the terminal in a hungover daze. ( true ) He finally realizes that he has a handgun in his fanny pack. Duh! ( true ) He, in his hangover daze, loses his composure and doesn't realize the best solution is to simply exit the secure area immediately to dispose of the gun in a reasonable manner since there is no check of people leaving the secure area. ( true ) He decides to show his show his gun to an armed police officer who has no reasonable choices except to arrest or shoot him and to lock the terminal up, delaying an entire morning's schedule of flights--all because he is hungover. ( true ) He somehow convinces the police officer that he is OK and needs help. Help, that if discovered by anyone in charge would ruin said officer's career. Said officer entices another officer to violate security protocols and aid Mr. Hangover by selling him a proper lockable container. ( true ) He then proceeds to pack, lock and declare his gun which he should have done upon arrival at the airport. ( true ) He transports his gun to Las Vegas and for personal defense has a gun --but no ammo. ( not true, we don't know if he had more ammo in his luggage, bought more in vegas, or what ) Sounds like a goof with a gun to me ( sounds like to me someone who made a mistake, as we all have, which he readily owned up to in the presence of leo's, knowing full well they could have made his life miserable. i'm sure he learned a valuable lesson ) |
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Im sorry; I've never posted on any thread ever before but I couldn't help but say my piece on this matter. Hank, it seems to me that you have no ability to understand the purpose of marine dads original post. It was meant to show the incompetence of the so called airport security not to highlight his friends mistake. It wasn't a green light to start talking about how much of "goof" marine dads friend is. I mean sh!*, is it that hard to understand. Of course his friend screwed up, but there is one thing has failed to recognize. We as Marines are strict disciplinarians. When he realized what had happened; HUNGOVER OR NOT, he reacted accordingly. He knew the consequences of his actions and did all he could to build creditability of himself and his situation. It just so happened that the officer or officers that he dealt with were able to make the (while not politically correct) right decision for the Retired United States Marine / Drill Instructor. Additionally (from my understanding) not only has he fought in conflicts himself to protect your right to shoot off your mouth about whoever or whatever you want, but also trained an unknown number of Marines to protect you and everyone else in this country from having to worry about getting blown up in the morning instead of getting up and doing the old "S.S.S" He made a decision and accepted the fact that their were consequences he may have to face. Semper Fi |
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I *really* hate agreeing with or defending HankT EVER, but on this one... he's right. The guy in question willfully broke the law by carrying around a pistol in the communist state of IL, and continued to break firearms laws at the airport. Don't start that "Marines do what's right, and when they mess up they make attempt to correct it with integrity" junk. This Marine thumbed his nose at the laws of IL, the laws of Chicago, and the laws and security of the FAA. Don't tell me he somehow regained his sense of dignity once he cleared security, he had been knowingly breaking laws since he arrived in the state. Now, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with someone carrying a firearm in a state they are not supposed to. I have (intentionally) done it myself. I do have a problem with you making this Marine out to be an angel who was ignorant of the fact he was carrying a concealed firearm past airport security. Carrying a gun comes with great responsibility. I am always cognizant of where my gun is at all times. It's either locked up in a safe, or loaded and on my person. There is no other place it would be. I have carried my gun in a backpack and a briefcase. The bag/case never left my control, not even when I used the bathroom. This Marine was sloppy, and he was indeed a GOOF with a gun. His poor judgement that day could have gotten him in a load of trouble, although I disagree with HankT's statement that he may have been shot. That is a far stretch. Welcome to OCDO, sorry my first post to you had to be negative, and I'm doubly sorry I had to defend HankT in it. HT thrives on causing BS here, and the only people who play his game are the newbies, because everyone else simply ignores him for the most part. In time you will too. |
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Sgt L Regular Member
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Im not making him out to be an "Angel", all I'm saying is he reacted to what he had done. You idiots keep making it sound like he did the @#$% on purpose. It was a mistake, get over it. |
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Sgt L Regular Member
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I still can't believe we're back to friend bashing,,,,,,,,HELLO-------AIRPORT SECURITY LET HIM WALK RIGHT THROUGH====WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN SOME ONE WHO MEANT BUISNESS. Last edited on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 05:52 pm by Sgt L |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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If marine dad could provide the rest of the information I requested, I'd be happy to dig into the issue more with the TSA to ensure that an event like this is not repeated with "someone who means business". I'm still confused on the following issue: Marine Dad stated: "He said the attendant at the screening station told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt to go through the screening process. he still had not thought anything about the firearm, and to be honest, was a little bit hungover. he placed his pack on the belt, and the screener started talking to the guy in line behind my friend, whom he seemed to know. when the pack came out the other end, the screener, who was still engaged in conversation with the other guy, handed the fanny pack back to my friend, who placed it back around his waist and went to the gate area." Which screener was it that told him he needed to place his fanny pack on the belt vs which screener was it that started talking to the guy in line behind your friend? I'm just trying to figure out which role each of the two TSA screeners assinged to this particlar station played in the oversight of the handgun in the fanny pack. Maybe a picture would help clarify my question?  |
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Pa. Patriot State Researcher 
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Another thread derailed from it's intended purpose... |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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What was the intended purpose of this thread PA? |
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Sgt L Regular Member
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Simply to let everyone know about a wild occurance that happened, and to point out that the so called "security" checkpoints are not as secure as one would think. It's very obvious that his friend made a mistake. "THAT WASN'T THE POINT !!!!!!!!" |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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Sgt L - please re-read all of my posts. I have never accused your friend of making a mistake! I'm simply curious on some of the details surrounding the event and I am trying to trying to fill in the gaps by asking marine dad additional questions. Last edited on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 08:58 pm by bayboy42 |
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Pa. Patriot State Researcher
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bayboy42 wrote: What was the intended purpose of this thread PA? Your question was answered, above, by someone closer to the source. So I'll just add MHO. The guy goofed - yup. Big time. I too can't imagine NOT knowing I had my gun on me but hey, it wasn't me and it wasn't the point of the story. The point was the interesting info regarding how it was handled by the "authorities". Is that not obviously the point of this thread to you? Why repeatedly ask these types of obvious questions? Second thread in two days now. Pounding on the guy that he did something dumb, which he already knows, and then picking apart his story for no real good reason other than to continue to degrade him is pointless to the information brought forward. He did something dumb and now we have heard a nice little story about it and the consequences it brought. Can't we just leave it at that or must we beat the dead horse some more? That's HanKT's job anyway and he'll probably get peeved that your cutting in on his territory Last edited on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 09:09 pm by Pa. Patriot |
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Sgt L Regular Member
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My statement wasn't intended solely for you, I didn't intend for it to sound that way. My point is, the purpose of the post wasn't to offer "marine dads" friend up to the firing squad, it was more banked torwards pointing out a notable security breach allowed by "TSA" and CPD Officers at O'Hare and in my opinion probably should have threaded torwards discussion on how to improve or solidify the process. Oh, and in reference to which attendant started chit-chating while "friends" fanny pak is in the x-ray machine...............I would pretty much assume it would be the x-ray machine screen watcher guy who's attention was on butt-buddy inline behind "friend" rather than the highly important x-ray display infront of him. Im happy for the guy, I mean hell he could have gone to jail for a long time but things worked out for him this time. Mistake Made, Lesson Learned, Life Goes On Attached Image (viewed 207 times): Last edited on Thu Aug 30th, 2007 10:14 pm by Sgt L |
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HankT State Researcher
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Sgt L wrote: My point is, the purpose of the post ... was more banked torwards pointing out a notable security breach allowed by "TSA" and CPD Officers at O'Hare and in my opinion probably should have threaded torwards discussion on how to improve or solidify the process. In line with that, maybe we need to have the standard airline agent question set changed to: 1. Has anyone unknown to you asked you to carry anything onboard this plane? 2. Have your bags been in your possession and control at all times? 3. Do you have any firearms, ammunition, nunchucks, swords, daggers, brass knuckles or batons that you would like to report and secure at this time? 4. Hey, sleepy head! I'm asking you a question! Another improvement might be in the area of educating internal security personnel of the necessity to actually follow the rules, regs and procedures already in place by TSA and local law. For example, it would be good to remind all security personnel that they will be fired immediately for failure to report a person in possession of a prohibited weapon in the security area of an airport terminal. In addition to such dismissal, they would be subject to criminal charges. I'm sure there are others that can be thought of...but these will do for now... |
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marine dad Regular Member
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hank, there are several issues in this situation that you failed to comment on as vigorously as you did about my friend, so i will attempt to post them using your terminology. 1. the goof with an x-ray scanner: even after being alerted by a metal detector that goof with a gun needed closer scrutiny, he still failed to detect a firearm passing through his scanner, and allowed goof with a gun to breach airport security. theoretically endangering the well-being and safety of airport patrons and personnel 2. the goof with a badge #1 after being advised that goof with a gun had breached airport security and was in fact in possesion of a firearm in violation of local firearms and concealed carry laws, goof with a badge #1 failed to arrest, shoot, handcuff, or feed concrete to goof with a gun , and further failed to immediately enact emergency sop, theoretically endagering the lives and well-being of airport patrons and personnel. he further chose to investigate the situation and determining the facts, opted to help goof with a gun rectify the situation, while callously "thumbing his nose" at the very laws he had been sworn to uphold and enforce. instead of being a true storm trooper, he insisted on being helpful and courteous. what an idiot. 3. goof with a badge #2 and #3: although they discussed the merits of notifying a supervisor and informing such of the breach of airport security and the violation of handgun and concealed carry laws, perhaps for the purpose of enacting emergency sop's, these goofs with a badge were easily persuaded by goof with a badge #1 to not do so, and in fact agreed to let him handle the situation. theoretically their lack of action endangered the well-being of airport patrons and personnel, and jeopardized their own carreers and livelihood, as they callously and deliberately "thumbed their noses" at the very laws they were sworn to uphold and enforce. 4. goof with a badge #4: he went out of the way to provide his own personal lockable storage case for goof with a gun , i.e. aiding and abetting the breach of airport security and violations of firearms and concealed carry laws, after the fact. by doing so he not only "thumbed his nose" at the laws he was sworn to uphold and enforce, he then conspired with goof with a badge #1 to cover up the incident, per agreeing with the statement that "this never happened" made by goof with a badge #1. 5. goof in authority : the supervisor of these men, who had the audacity to allow the employment of these slackards and incompetents, men who determined the facts, the identity, and the intent of goof with a gun and responded by helping rectify the situation, instead of the required knee-jerk gestapo show of force. so i guess we can see that cpd hires imcompetent imbeciles who had rather use their brain than be "johnny bad-ass" or we can say that the planets must have been perfectly aligned to have allowed all theses goofs to be in the same place at the same time. L.O.L. FWIW, I THINK THESE OFFICERS OF CPD SHOULD BE COMMENDED for choosing to investigate the situation, and after determining there was no threat, and verifying my friend's identity and intent, helping him, instead of automatically assuming the "cop vs. criminal" mentality often prevalent in law enforcement when dealing with the public. marine dad |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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Pa. Patriot:The point was the interesting info regarding how it was handled by the "authorities". Is that not obviously the point of this thread to you? Why repeatedly ask these types of obvious questions? Second thread in two days now.Sure thats obvious to me, and thats what I'm trying to discuss, have been throughout the entire thread. Pounding on the guy that he did something dumb, which he already knows, and then picking apart his story for no real good reason other than to continue to degrade him is pointless to the information brought forward.You copied my question at the beginning of your post so I can only assume you are directing this statement at me...but I'm not sure why since NOWHERE in any of my posts have I degraded "marine dad's friend". I made my point and motives clear early on in this thread..page 1 ear Just so my point and motives are clear: |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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Marine Dad, your analysis of the 5 additional goofs is still missing somebody.... shouldn't it should be 6? Each TSA checkpoint typically includes a minimum of two screeners. One is responsible for watching the x-ray screen as items move through, the other is responsible for instructing flyers on the procedures before they walk through the metal detector and then checking their boarding pass once they walk through it. |
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marine dad Regular Member
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yep. i missed goof #6 |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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So where was goof #6 when this event went down?? |
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marine dad Regular Member
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i dont know. he was at the metal detector i suppose. |
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Sgt L Regular Member
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It doesn't matter, TSA sucks. They do provide a pretty intimidating appearance for anyone who would be interested in "INTENTIONALY" bringing a weapon in. They serve their purpuse I suppose. I guess the "goof with an X-Ray machine" should be fired. |
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nakedshoplifter Regular Member
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Last time I flew out of Reagan I had to walk through the air puffer machine, which detects trace amounts of suspicious chemicals. I had shot the night before the flight wearing a ball cap, and I walked through the puffer with the cap on. I know nitro is detected by the machine, which is a component of gunpowder and the GP residue. Not sure how sensitive those machines are, it did not go off. I had also been smoking outside the airport, lighting up with matches since you can't bring fluid lighters on planes (that has been changed since, they are now allowed). I also wondered if the match residue might set it off. |
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bayboy42 Regular Member
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SgtL - what about the screener responsible for checking peoples tickets, ensuring they place all carry-on luggage on the x-ray belt, removing metal components before going through the metal detector, and moving individuals who set off the metal detector to the wanding area.........should he be fired too? |
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Sgt L Regular Member
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I would think so wouldn't you, I don't think any one person is to blame. Im not a "Firing Commity" either. It was the failure of multiple individuals to do their part in preventing this mishap. Starting with "friend" and including every "TSA" agent at that post that he came into contact with. I don't really think the officers involved were to "blame" persay. They more or less resolved the issue using their best judement based on the circumstances. |
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marine dad wrote:...makes you wonder about those security people that we trust our lives to. i have told this story with my friends permission. Wait, you trust your life to security that is designed primarily to give the impression of security? You know it's true. They hassle you (and little old ladies) just enough to make you feel like you're gone through a serious screening process, but the evidence that a pistol can go right through an x-ray machine is right before your eyes. I for one am not in the least surprised. I accidentally walked on a plane with a balisong 2 or 3 years back (I was moving, and I meant to pack it in my suitcase, but it stupidly ended up in my carry-on). Needless to say that, too, went through an x-ray machine. Truth be told, if that ever happened to me (again), gun or knife, I'm not sure I would say a word. Once you've got through security, what's the point? I think I could trust myself with any weapon on an airplane.  Not that I'm saying I would ever actually intentionally attempt to get a weapon through security, but once you've found yourself in that position, it seems like a bigger risk to admit it than to just get on your plane and go wherever you're going. Nobody need ever be the wiser. Unless, of course, (and this I don't know), somebody actually bothers to keep records of who's declared a gun on which flights. |
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marshaul wrote: marine dad wrote: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/10/new_tsa_report.html "screeners at Los Angeles and Chicago O'Hare airports failed to find more than 60% of fake explosives that TSA agents tried to get through checkpoints last year. " Definitely security theater. The good news however, is they will always find your water bottle: " One fake bomb was placed in the same bag as a bottle of water. The TSA opened the bag, took the water, and let the bomb on the plane. " http://consumerist.com/consumer/your-government/tsa-confiscates-water-bottle-misses-bomb-276845.php |
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I walked though security and boarded a plane flew on it for three hrs and was about to board my 2nd plane when I realized that I had a pocket full of Winchester 115grn 9mm FMJs in my coat pocket. My heart was in my throat for a few seconds till I calmed down and realized that I had no more secruity to go though and as long as I kept my mouth shut and my pocket closed I would make it home without a set of handcuffs on. When I got home I called DFW's security office and left a message (they wern't there?) giving a description of what happened. About two days later I got a message left on my phone from a woman that worked there saying that we could press the issue if I wanted but i could result in me having charges leveled at me for bringing the ammo on the plane. I never called'em back. |
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