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junglebob Regular Member
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How many people "fanny pack" carry here in Illinois? Definition of fanny packing - carrying an unloaded handgun with loaded magazine in a case, usually a fanny pack type of case designed for a firearm. It is also sometimes refered to as "6 seconds from safety". This is legal in Illinois if you have a valid FOID card. Warning it may also get you arrested, though I have done it for over 2 years. No one has shown me any case law of someone convicted under Unlawful Use of Weapons statutes doing this either. Be sure to check any firearm transport ordinances if you will be "fanny packing" in a home rule community that has firearm ordinances. Last edited on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 02:57 am by junglebob |
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tattedupboy Regular Member 
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How about just doing youself a favor and moving to a state where a citizen's right to carry a loaded gun on his person (and not unloaded with the ammo separate in a fanny pack) is recognized and respected. Even if it is technically legal, this method of carry will get you arrested in Cook county and in most other urban parts of the state. Furthermore, carrying a gun with the ammo separate is just like not carrying at all because the gun is not immediately accessible or useful. I hear that Las Vegas is pretty nice this time of year. So are Arizona and Virginia. There's also Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, and a host of other states that are far better than King Richard and Prince Rod Blagojebitch's People's Republic of Ill-annoy. Last edited on Tue Sep 25th, 2007 03:59 am by tattedupboy |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Well this is a forum for Illinois, and it is tempting to just move 60 miles into Kentucky. A lot of people in Illinois who would like to carry aren't in a position to move to friendlier territory for one reason or another. We are working at illinoiscarry.com to get concealed carry legislation in Illinois. Yes we may very well be the last state to get it. As this website says A RIGHT UNEXCERCISED IS A RIGHT LOST. Some people in open carry states like Wisconsin have effectively lost this right because they didn't excercise it. I think by people excercising the "fanny pack" option in Illinois the day when CCW legisaltion comes to Illinois will be sooner. I can't argue with you that you may be arrested in Cook county or other areas of North East Illinois and it might even happen in Southern Illinois. For all our lousy firearms laws, Illinois almost got a uniform firearm transportation bill through the legislature a couple years ago. The governor vetoed it and then twisted the arms of a couple of democrats to change their vote. When he is out it may go through. Why didn't you mention Indiana? You have some excellent firearms laws as well. I conceal carry in Indiana on a non-resident Pa permit when I visit, as I do in Kentucky and Missouri. |
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Fallguy Regular Member 
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Good luck with illinoiscarry.com junglebob!! Maybe not the right forum for it, but something I find ironic is, how strict IL's gun laws are, but they are one of only four states with no helmet laws for motorcycles. I hope someday to live in a state where I an OC and ride without a lid. ******DISCLAIMER********
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dng State Researcher 
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If I lived in Illinois, it wouldn't be long before the gun laws there made this happen to me: |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Illinois has such bad gun laws because of Chicago and its suburbs. If they became their own state we'd have a CCW bill go through the next session of the legislature. There is always good support for concealed carry south of I64 which I call Southern Illinois. I was talking with law enforcement from a city down here and he said they seldom arrest someone for Unlawful Use of Weapons unless there is domestic violence or a drug charge or something else like that involved. He said they maybe have 2 or 3 arrests a year for it. Chicago area is something else altogether, I'm almost as far as I can get from it and still be in Illinois. That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3? Now I can tell some motorcycle rider from outside Illinois who complains about a helmet law, "Why don't you move to Illinois, I'd never stand for that!" What an infringement on your liberty. I suspect we have a motorcycle association doing some good lobbying. Voting with your feet is always an option when you don't like something in your state, city, church, school, or job. Staying where you are and trying to change things is another option. There was a very good turn out this year for Gun Owners Lobby Day in the capital. Also the Illinois State Rifle Association has come out in support of concealed carry. |
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Fallguy Regular Member
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junglebob wrote: That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3? The other 3 are IA, CO and NH. Many others allow some form of choice for adults but those 4 have no laws at all concerning motorcycle helmets. junglebob wrote: I suspect we have a motorcycle association doing some good lobbying. Yes...ABATE of Illnois. http://www.abate-il.org/ |
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tattedupboy Regular Member
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Fallguy wrote: junglebob wrote:That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3? That is slightly misleading to say that only 4 states don't have helmet laws. I live in a state (Indiana) that has no helmet laws for anyone over the age of 18. For people under 18 there is a law that requires them to wear a helmet at all times while on a motorcycle, but no such law exists for adults. |
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Fallguy Regular Member
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tattedupboy wrote: That is slightly misleading to say that only 4 states don't have helmet laws. I live in a state (Indiana) that has no helmet laws for anyone over the age of 18. For people under 18 there is a law that requires them to wear a helmet at all times while on a motorcycle, but no such law exists for adults. Indiana then was one of the states I meant in my "Many others allow some form of choice for adults" statement. The 4 states I mentioned have NO law at all, adults or minors. http://usff.com/hldl/frames/50state.html has a map very similar to OpenCarry to show which states are which. (Except they have gold(yellow) and green reversed) Last edited on Wed Sep 26th, 2007 04:12 am by Fallguy |
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vermonter Regular Member 
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WRONG! New Jersey will be the last to get CCW! I stand corrected.... NJ will never get CCW. I lived there for a while and know the police state mentality they have |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Vermonter, There may not be a lot of people in New Jersey who get carry permits but some do right. Maybe only the rich and well connected. In Illinois you can be well connected and still not be able to carry. If you are rich the dirty little secret is you can buy a part interest in a detective agency, become classified as a supervisor (one who never really supervises) get a "tan card" issued to P.I.s and pack 24/7. As a P.I. said people who invest get it as an extra perc. I assume you live in Vermont. Tell me why does a state like Vermont with its unrestrictive firearms laws elect two senators like Leahy and Jeffords who vote for things like the Fienstein semi-auto ban? I know Illinois has Durbin and Obama who are lousy too but they have gun ban loving Chicago dems to vote them in. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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I saw a post on another forum by Shaun Kranish who was arrested in the Cherry Valley Mall while "fanny packing" . This is Chicago area. Like tattedupboy said it may get you arrested. He said that there has been a huge victory in PRIL (Peoples Republik of Illanoy) that we may not have heard about. He (with the help of his attorney Walter Maksym) smacked the Winnebago County States Attorney with the dismissal of his gun carrying legal case ( regarding his gun-carryi n in a traditional-meaning case) The falony charge was dismissed by Judge Stephen Vacchio. The state filed a motion to reconsider- which Judge Vacchio did and reafirmed his original motion by adopting Kranish's lawyers written response. The Winnebago County States Attorney is appealling and it will now go to an appelate court. Last edited on Fri Dec 26th, 2008 01:40 am by junglebob |
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lockman State Researcher 
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An appelate court affirmation would be binding on all jurisdictions within the appelate district. That would be better than the trial couts dissmissing them and with no apeal, no case law. |
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deepdiver Activist Member 
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Can one legally fanny pack carry in IL if you are from from a free state and therefore, obviously do not have a FOID card? I lived in IL for years and have family and friends who live there. Unfortunately that means that I can't entirely avoid visiting the state. Ironically, of places I typically travel, IL has the highest crime rates and it is the only place I cannot defend myself. |
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lockman State Researcher
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No! You would be held to the standard of exemption (i) or (ii) (4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions: (i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state; or (ii) are not immediately accessible; or (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or |
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deepdiver Activist Member
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Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, that is is what I thought the answer was from my reading, but I wanted to ask those of you more versed in IL made up hypocrisy, er jurisprudence. It is long past time to buy the O'Leary family a new cow. edit: can't spell sometimes. Last edited on Wed Nov 28th, 2007 06:16 am by deepdiver |
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ilbob Activist Member
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Lockman's answer is technically correct based on what the law actually says. There are some other issues though. 1. There is the wildlife code to consider. It makes it a crime to transport a gun in a case that does not meet the requirements of that code, which is more restrictive than the UUW act Lockman cited. And it applies whether you are hunting or not. 2. There is also another act that prohibits firearms on public property. It may even apply out in the parking lot. 3. Cops in Illinois in many areas just do not care much whether it is legal or not. They have arrested a number of people under the UUW act for carrying in this manner. To my knowledge they have all eventually had the charges dismissed. But they also spent a lot of time and trouble along the way. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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About the possibility of being arrested for fanny packing. A few days ago there was a post on the Illinoiscarry.com forum about an article that was in the "tribune" , Chicago tribune I assume. It was posted by CKMorley, it was about fanny packing and mentioned that he did it. This was 7 years ago. I answered his post there and asked how long he had done it. He said he had lived in Forest Park in Cook County for 13 years, not far from the police department. I inquired if he had ever been stopped and asked by a LEO "what is in the pack" He said he walked by the police department frequently and never was. He also mentioned that his sister had dated a cop from another suburb and he had mentioned that the officers there knew about his fanny packing(from the media) He also said that since he worked in Chicago if Devine the SA had wanted to prosecute him he could have been arrested, but didn't think that he wanted the publicity. I live a long way from Chicago and have "fanny packed" for about 3 years now, without incident. As they say your results may vary. It is a right that we have in Illinois that not enough of us are excercising, just like open carry in other places. |
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Doug Huffman Regular Member 
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junglebob wrote: How many people "fanny pack" carry here in Illinois? Sticking my nose in here as a recent South Carolinian where CCW is the only legal carry. We are told that the cops consider a fanny-pack on a male as a dead give away and that they are 'trained' to detect concealed weapons. The issue is so sensitive that we are also cautioned that a lady's concealed carry in a purse has been tested in court but not yet a man's carry in a briefcase. The nub being the statuatory definition of 'concealed'. |
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Decoligny Regular Member 
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tattedupboy wrote: How about just doing youself a favor and moving to a state where a citizen's right to carry a loaded gun on his person (and not unloaded with the ammo separate in a fanny pack) is recognized and respected. Even if it is technically legal, this method of carry will get you arrested in Cook county and in most other urban parts of the state. Furthermore, carrying a gun with the ammo separate is just like not carrying at all because the gun is not immediately accessible or useful. I hear that Las Vegas is pretty nice this time of year. So are Arizona and Virginia. There's also Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, and a host of other states that are far better than King Richard and Prince Rod Blagojebitch's People's Republic of Ill-annoy. Did the Founding Fathers say "How about we just pack up and move to some other place where King George won't tax us?" HELL NO. They stood thier ground and fought for thier RIGHTS. If you are unwilling to stay where you are and fight for your rights, what happens when the very last place that allows you to carry a gun decides to take that right away? Where do you move to then? ANSWER: The Gulag or the Concentration Camp. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Decoligny, You make an excellent point what if in 1986 folks in the non "shall issue" states or the "non-issue" states such as Alaska which now requires no permit, just said I'll just move to one of the 8 "shall issue" states. Alaska would be a "right denied" non issue state along with Illinois, Wisconsin, Texas, Nebraska, Kansas and some others. I think fanny packing in Illinois is like open carrying in some states such as Maryland where it is legal if you have a permit, but you may lose your permit, or Wisconsin where you may be arrested for disturbing the peace or some other charge. I as others on the Illinoiscarry.com forum would like to see concealed carry legislation passed in Illinois, and maybe then we could work on open carry outside unincorporated areas. I've mentioned to people on the Illinoiscarry forum who have said "don't fanny pack, you'll be arrested" If you are afraid to excercise the "fanny pack" option what about when Illinois gets concealed carry, some LEOs won't like it. I do believe the motto here - A right unexcercised is a right lost! is correct. |
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buketdude Regular Member 
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Connecticut has no helmet law..i think they tried years ago, it failed, and now they have given up.....but you would need a permit to carry a handgun unless on private property......New hampshire also has a no helmet law a believe...and they are very gun friendly..not to mention no sales or income tax!!..and the only state with no seat belt law... |
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junglebob Regular Member
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deepdiver, You could try applying for an Ilinois FOID card, even though you don't live in Illinois if you wanted the "fanny pack" option while visiting. I don't know if you would get it, but the FOID application does have a place for city and state. Its only $5 for 5 years, changing to $10 for 10 years on or after January 1, 2008. You might be out $5 or $10 if they won't issue to you. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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I found something out about "Fanny pack carry" in Illinois that I didn't know. According to an article in the Tribune on concealcarry.org/trib28Nov200.htm it has been legal for 25 years. Still not something excercised by many Illinois residents and "a right unexcercised is a right lost". However more are excercising the right all the time so there may come the day when concealed carry is legal in Illinois and open carry outside rural areas. |
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bongo968 Regular Member
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I met a chicago cop at Mom's garage sale and started talking carrying in a fanny pack and he said ,"the first thing I think when I see a fanny pack, is ,GUN" that changed my mind, I now live in Indiana.......Wahoooospan.jajahWrapper { font-size:1em; color:#B11196; text-decoration:underline; } a.jajahLink { color:#000000; text-decoration:none; } span.jajahInLink:hover { background-color:#B11196; } |
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Gunslinger Regular Member 
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Have to comment about the way it was, back in the day. I was born and raised in the Chicago suburbs--last place I lived was DuPage County, out in what was then unincorporated area where Bloomingdale is now grown out to. Used to wear my Colt Woodsman, loaded on a belt holster to go target shoot. Never thought twice about it and never a hassle. In fact, none of us were at all concerned about open carry when going target shooting--on private property, and neither were the cops. The most I ever was told was to "be careful of your backstop, son." Not talking about Kook Kounty, now, but conservative Republican DuPage. How times have changed. All you needed was the FID card to buy ammo, and you were in business. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Gunslinger, What year was this that you were open carrying in DuPage county? I've contemplated open carrying here in southern Illinois, south of I64 and a long way from Chicago. I'd be doing it in a rural area on a very rural road that I live on. I wonder about the possibility of the sheriff being called about "man with a gun" and being charged with disorderly conduct. I'm on the edge of the Shawnee Forest and don't expect any neighbors would make such a call but we do get bicyclers going by, maybe even Chicago folks on vacation. |
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Gunslinger Regular Member
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Late '60s, way back in the day!  |
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gridboy Regular Member
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Doug Huffman wrote: junglebob wrote:How many people "fanny pack" carry here in Illinois? Hmmm, I'm going to be in Urbana-Champaign next week. Are the police there trained to panic at the sight of a fanny pack? I may have to pick up one of the tactical ones to tote my pocket litter around and provide cover for those of you who do have guns in your packs. gridboy (without FOID) |
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unrequited Regular Member 
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...the MMM supports you! I support you too. Good luck with fanny-pack carry. from what I've read, it's rough, but it's working. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Gridboy, I would think that Champaign/Urbana would be a reasonably safe place to "fanny pack" even if you carried a handgun in the pack. The Champaign County Rifle Association has long advocated it and even had the Champaign County Assistant States Attorney speak at one of their meetings, a second amendment advocate. Champaign County has not passed the second amendment resolution though, either voted it down or wouldn't bring it up for a vote. Don't know what the Champaign County States Attorney thinks about "fanny packing", I live a long way from Champaign. Are you an out of stater? You mentioned not having a FOID card. I've been "fanny packing" for a few years now, use an Uncle Mikes black pack. I've never been stopped by law enforcement while wearing it. Your results may vary. |
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gridboy Regular Member
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junglebob, Yes, I'm from out-of-state, so I wasn't even going to bring a gun with me. Hopefully, my tactical fanny pack will be enough to scare away the bad guys. gridboy |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Gridboy, I went to illinoisatlas.com and looked at crime statistics for Champaign. Their crime rate is 111 and 100 is figure for U.S. as a whole. If I read their map correctly Champaign county has a homocide rate of .1 to .09 per 100,000, pretty low state wide average is 7.9 and my county, a long way from Cook county is 10 to 14.9 and I don't consider our largest city as a particularly dangerous place. So even though you can't pack or "fanny pack" in Champaign you shouldn't have much to worry about. I always make a point to avoid parts of any city where I see many businesses with bars on the windows, places like East St. Louis. |
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SAK Regular Member
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I "fannypack" carry. I won an important case based on it. I am soon to win an important appeals case (more case law...yay), and lawsuit on it. I'm battling a strong anti-exercise-your-rights attitute in Illinois, however. I've tried to explain that you've got to exercise what you have in order to retain it. The ONLY way to retain is to exercise. It's also absurd to ask for more rights when you're unwilling to exercise the ones still recognized. But for this excuse or that excuse, people crap on the idea and then the whole bandwagon jumps on board. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh |
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lockman State Researcher
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The States Attorney appealed your dismissal? |
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SAK Regular Member
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Yes, unfortunately. |
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DKSuddeth Regular Member 
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hey sean, welcome back. been too long since we've heard from you. |
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Hawk82 Regular Member
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I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). I was also curious about state parks. I have a business that operates in a state park. I lease the facility from DNR. I know that the statute indicates that you can have a firearm on your person in your home or business. Since that portion of my park is my business, does that mean I can keep a firearm there? I think firearms are prohibited from state parks here, but then again I didn't see it mentioned in my lease. |
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trailblazer2003 Regular Member
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Hawk82 wrote: I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). I used to process serve in Chicago back a few years ago. I worked for a PI agency, and if your owner agrees and you go through the hoops you should be able to get a tan card to carry. Also, word is of you are a PI supervisr, or are on call 24/7 you can carry 24/7, just in case you get called to work. I don't know the entire truth as to whether that really exists, so yrmv. But I do know that an investogator I worked with did infact carry concealed everyday he worked. You should check into it. I ended up leaving IL before I had a chance to ask my boss about carrying. Last edited on Fri Oct 10th, 2008 02:22 pm by trailblazer2003 |
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lockman State Researcher
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Fanny pack carry greatly (seconds count) reduce defensive readiness. I would not advise this type of carry for any situation where you place yourself into the fray voluntarily. A can of pepper spray in hand would be a greater asset than a firearm 5 or 6 seconds away. Both would be better, but if the spray buys you 5 or 6 seconds I would use it for my escape! |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Hawk82, Is part of the park your "fixed place of business", I believe is the term. If carry is prohibited in a state park, I'd think it would be at your business as well. It would be like carrying a handgun in as business owner in Morton Grove when an ordinance prohibits handguns. Of course IANAL. |
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Hawk82 Regular Member
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junglebob wrote:Hawk82, Is part of the park your "fixed place of business", I believe is the term. If carry is prohibited in a state park, I'd think it would be at your business as well. It would be like carrying a handgun in as business owner in Morton Grove when an ordinance prohibits handguns. Of course IANAL. Yes, I lease part of the park as my "fixed place of business". You do have to cross a small portion of park to get to the area I lease, so it is not connected to the unincorporated area beyond the park borders. But as a double whamy, the border of the park is also the border of the city. |
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lockman State Researcher
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If you lease the space, you own the business and your lease does not prohibit firearms you should be OK within your space. UUW statute specifically exempts that situation and trespass would not apply either. Although I am no Matlock either. Last edited on Mon Oct 13th, 2008 01:36 pm by lockman |
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Hawk82 Regular Member
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That was my thinking too, since whether you own your place of business, or just lease it, it does belong to you and you have the right under Illinois law to have a right under illinois law to have a firearm and even carry it in the open in your business, whether it is incorporated or unincorporated area. However, how does one get that firearm to the business, since it is surrounded by park. Do I have to disassemble it to transport in my business truck (I can park right on my leased property), or can it be cased and unloaded? An interesting logic puzzle. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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junglebob wrote: Gunslinger, What year was this that you were open carrying in DuPage county? I've contemplated open carrying here in southern Illinois, south of I64 and a long way from Chicago. I'd be doing it in a rural area on a very rural road that I live on. I wonder about the possibility of the sheriff being called about "man with a gun" and being charged with disorderly conduct. I'm on the edge of the Shawnee Forest and don't expect any neighbors would make such a call but we do get bicyclers going by, maybe even Chicago folks on vacation. Since I live in a rural area, I've been open carrying when I and my wife go for a walk with the dog. With in the last couple of weeks I've met one neighbor on the road twice, she walked by and we said hi. I wonder did she not see the open carried handgun either time? Then around a week and a half ago I met a couple of bow hunters, who asked if many were hunting in the area. No comment from them either. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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It was mentioned ealier in this thread that "fanny pack carry" might get you arrested. Just wanted to mention about Chris Morley who was transporting a handgun in his maxpediton case,unloaded as required, as he has done for about 10 years. He suffers from cerebral palsy and walks with a cane. He has been the target of muggers several times. On 3 or 4 occansions merely reaching for his unloaded handgun was enough scare the attackers away and possibly save his life. He was at work on a monday in November and became ill. He was taken to an empty room by another worker to rest and recuperate. As a matter of policy, paramedics were called, but not only did paramedics arrive but police in full tactical gear. Morleys personal belongings had been searched without warrent or probable cause and his unloaded handgun in his maxpedition case had been exposed. Instead of going home as planned after falling ill, Morley was on his way to the Chicago Police Department Lockup. He was handcuffed to a wall for a few hours, processed, photographed, finger printed, stripped of his clothing including his cane and glasses. Morley could not walk or see. Morley's wife, parents, and other loved ones had no idea where he was. He was finally realeased tuesday afternoon on an I bond. If you would like to help in Chris Morley's defense checks can be made payable to his attorney Walter Maksym and sent to Gun Owners Fellowship 605 Fulton Ave. Rockford, Il 61103 or you can paypal to fellowhip@icarry.org and put that it is for Chis Morley defense. Chis has been a spokesman for concealed carry in Illinois for many years. He has a court appearance on January 28. Walter Maksym has won several cases of this type in Illinois. The Roderick Pritchett case being one. I sent a check for Chris's legal defense, I'm hoping other folks here do so too. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Does anyone know the outcome of Chis Morley's court appearance? (He had a handgun in an expedition pack - unloaded - i.e. "fanny packing") He is an Illinoiscarry.com/forum member, but I've sent him a PM and received no reply. Did he enter into some agreement to the prosecutor dropping charges if he made no comments about it? Anyone have any information? I can't imagine if he was found guilty of UUW charges that the anti self defense crowd in Chicago wouldn't have it in the newspapers. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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junglebob wrote: Does anyone know the outcome of Chis Morley's court appearance? (He had a handgun in an expedition pack - unloaded - i.e. "fanny packing") He is an Illinoiscarry.com/forum member, but I've sent him a PM and received no reply. Did he enter into some agreement to the prosecutor dropping charges if he made no comments about it? Anyone have any information? Just found out today. Chris Morley says the Judge granted a Motion to Dismiss' On top of that the Judge said that until today he had always assumed that a gun had to be dissassembled in order to be legally transported. This is a victory for Illinois gun owners. Now I'd like to ask folks who haven't to help out with Chris's legal bills. If you can send a check to Gun Owners Fellowship 605 Fulton Av Rockford, Il 61103 make the check out to Walter Maksym, his lawyer. If you want to send directly to Chris, he is living with a friend the address is 9540 McVicker Oak Lawn, Il 60453 Lets help out Chris all we can. As I mentioned in an ealier post you can paypal to fellowship@icarry.org and mention its for Chris Morley defense. Last edited on Tue Mar 24th, 2009 01:19 am by junglebob |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member 
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Decoligny wrote: tattedupboy wrote:+1 I'm tired of hearing these people rag on others in different states. I have the utmost respect for those who fight for their rights in these anti-gun states.How about just doing youself a favor and moving to a state where a citizen's right to carry a loaded gun on his person (and not unloaded with the ammo separate in a fanny pack) is recognized and respected. Even if it is technically legal, this method of carry will get you arrested in Cook county and in most other urban parts of the state. Furthermore, carrying a gun with the ammo separate is just like not carrying at all because the gun is not immediately accessible or useful. I hear that Las Vegas is pretty nice this time of year. So are Arizona and Virginia. There's also Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, and a host of other states that are far better than King Richard and Prince Rod Blagojebitch's People's Republic of Ill-annoy. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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FunkTrooper wrote: Decoligny wrote:tattedupboy wrote:+1 I'm tired of hearing these people rag on others in different states. I have the utmost respect for those who fight for their rights in these anti-gun states.How about just doing youself a favor and moving to a state where a citizen's right to carry a loaded gun on his person (and not unloaded with the ammo separate in a fanny pack) is recognized and respected. Even if it is technically legal, this method of carry will get you arrested in Cook county and in most other urban parts of the state. Furthermore, carrying a gun with the ammo separate is just like not carrying at all because the gun is not immediately accessible or useful. I hear that Las Vegas is pretty nice this time of year. So are Arizona and Virginia. There's also Kentucky, West Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, and a host of other states that are far better than King Richard and Prince Rod Blagojebitch's People's Republic of Ill-annoy. FunkTrooper, Appreciate your support of us here in Illinois fighting to change things. For Illinoisans who would like to join the fight I'd suggest joining the http://www.IllinoisCarry.com/forum You can keep informed of legislation that is in the legislature, both good and bad. On the bright side 3 bad firearms bills are going nowhere this year. Two counties down here in Southern Illinois had a resolution question on the ballot this spring on whether to pass LTC legislation one had 89% yes votes and the other 84%, we have support for LTC in Southern Illinois. Something I was just told on the IllinoisCarry forum by the ISRA lobbyist in Springfield. The transportation requirements for a cased firearm are the same for a non-resident as for a resident in Illinois. One way to transport under 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(4) (iii) is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner Identification Card. He says that since a non-resident can't get a Firearm Owners ID (FOID) card this doen't apply and he must just follow the rest of the requirements. Note if must be completely enclosed. Ammunition need not be seperate. A loaded magazine may be in the case. He said he was there when the legislation was passed, so I'm assuming he is correct since this type of legislation is his specialty. For those visiting Illinois who wish to transport a firearm in their vehicle or on their person in this manner be advised you might likely still be arrested for so doing so, especially since the FOID card in mentioned in the statute. Many LEOs in Illinois are ignorant of the state transportation laws. Also local cities like Chicago, Peoria, and East St. Louis and others may have more stringent transport requirements. In southern Illinois south of I64 I don't know of any that do. This may be of help to travelers who wish to keep a firearm. I'm sending another check today to aid Chris Morley in his legal defense. (posted March 23) Anyone that can do so please send to the address in that post. (or PayPal) Chris was following the law on transporting firearms, his case was dismissed, but he still has legal bills. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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Hawk82 wrote: I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). Hawk82, I'm curious if you have tried fanny packing while working as a process server? If so how did it go? |
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trailblazer2003 Regular Member
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junglebob wrote: Hawk82 wrote:I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). I worked as a PI/process server about 7 ago years in Chicago and Chicagoland areas. One of the longer employed guys, non-LEO was able to obtain in the city of Chicago a carry permit while on duty, loaded, including in car. If you are lucky enough to be a supervisor or owner with on-call status you can technically carry 24/7 as you can be called for work anytime. Apparently there are many people in the Chicago area who are part/silent owners in a PI firm just for that fringe benefit. I left before I got the chance to ask my boss for a permit, so that's about all I know on the subject. I would assume you would need a perc, and a tan card plus the armed security classes as well. |
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Hawk82 Regular Member
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junglebob wrote:Hawk82 wrote:I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). No I haven't. I've considered keeping a cased unloaded firearm in my vehicle. But I haven't gone as far as a fanny pack. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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trailblazer2003 wrote: junglebob wrote:Trailblazer2003, I've never heard of something like a Chicago LTC . It sounds like that guy was pulling your leg. You didn't see the Chicago LTC did you? Doesn't sound like it would be legal under Illinois law.Hawk82 wrote:I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). |
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trailblazer2003 Regular Member
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junglebob wrote: trailblazer2003 wrote:junglebob wrote:Trailblazer2003, I've never heard of something like a Chicago LTC . It sounds like that guy was pulling your leg. You didn't see the Chicago LTC did you? Doesn't sound like it would be legal under Illinois law.Hawk82 wrote:I've recently become process server (making better money than I did as a secondary teacher), and have had a FOID card for decades. I understand that I can carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun with me on serves in my car in a case with the ammunition, and unloaded. But I'm toying with the idea of a fanny-pack carry of a handgun. I live in Rockford, IL; but I serve in Winnebago, Ogle, Dekalb, Lee, and Stephenson Counties. I do end up in a lot of unincorporated areas doing my job. I was wondering if anyone had any fanny-pack experiences in these areas? I like the idea of the pack, because it gives me a place to keep my badge, phone, flashlight, pen, and digital camera (the guy who trained me wears a photo-journalist vest for these items). I wasn't sure if it was city or state issued, i just looked it up and it is indeed statewide though the IL DPR agency. The guy was 100%, as was my employer. I think I thought that because he was always assigned to the rougher areas in Chicago. After he had the classes he was allowed to carry concealed his weapon as a licensed PI , he also carried cuffs, oc spray and a baton, again all legal once you take the necessary security courses. I wish I had stayed in Chicago longer and had a chance to go through the process, but we moved before I could. |
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halal6 Regular Member 
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junglebob wrote: It was mentioned ealier in this thread that "fanny pack carry" might get you arrested. Just wanted to mention about Chris Morley who was transporting a handgun in his maxpediton case,unloaded as required, as he has done for about 10 years. He suffers from cerebral palsy and walks with a cane. He has been the target of muggers several times. On 3 or 4 occansions merely reaching for his unloaded handgun was enough scare the attackers away and possibly save his life.
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junglebob Regular Member
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Halal6, I thought that Rodney Pritchett had his handgun unloaded and in a CD case. The CD case would qualify as an "other container" for transporting a firearm, since state law says firearms carrying box, shipping box, or other container. I don't know if there is a Chicago ordinance requiring transport in a gun case. I don't know of a states attorney who has commented on "fanny packing", I understand the assistant states attorney in Champaign County supports right to carry legislation, and I don't believe would prosecute someone fanny packing. I wonder if any states attorney in Wisconsin would have said the state laws allowed open carry before the Attorney General made a pronouncement? I have my doubts. I'd say the most important states attorney to get an opinion from, if you could, would be the one in the county you plan to fanny pack in. I've heard that more are killed in Chicago than soldiers in Iraq. |
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halal6 Regular Member
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Yes thats correct. Its Roderick Pritchett. It was in a cd case under his seat but it was loaded. The problem the prosecuters had was proving that it was loaded. Besides that, handguns in Chicago are illegal anyways. Loaded unloaded fanny pack in case Daley dont want them so every good citizen suffers. The Chicago chief of police made a statement in the south suburban newspaper that the criminals dont respect the police he feels sorry for the public. We dont want his pity we want our rights. This was after two LEO's was shot while trying to serve a warrant. |
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junglebob Regular Member
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halal6 wrote: Yes thats correct. Its Roderick Pritchett. It was in a cd case under his seat but it was loaded. The problem the prosecuters had was proving that it was loaded. Whether the handgun was loaded or unloaded in the "case" he should have "just said no" when they asked to search his vehicle. Say "no you do not have premission to search my vehicle." If asked to step out of your vehicle lock the door behind you. Last edited on Thu Sep 10th, 2009 02:08 pm by junglebob |
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Statesman Regular Member 
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Fallguy wrote: junglebob wrote:That is interesting that Illinois is one of only 4 states that don't require you to wear a helmet when riding a motorcyle. What are the other 3? I'm fairly certain Kentucky recently dropped its helmet law. |
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SAK Regular Member
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sometimes police search without permission though. That's why video cameras and tape recorders are so useful  |
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