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Mainsail
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Posted: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 10:39 pm |
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Wow, it looks like it’s coming up on one year without a single post in this state’s forum! Have the rights of the people in the beautiful state of Rhode Island been so eroded that they have abandoned all hope of bearing a firearm in defense of themselves and the state?
Section 22 of the RI State Constitution, the second to last, reads:
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buketdude
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Posted: Sat Dec 22nd, 2007 04:08 am |
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The Providence Journal Company v. Pine, No. C.A. 96-6274, (R.I. Super. Ct., June 24, 1998). No one in the State has a right to obtain a pistol permit. Very few people need to carry a loaded firearm in public. A pistol permit is a privilege left to the sound discretion of the Attorney General.
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Gray Peterson
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Posted: Mon Dec 24th, 2007 08:58 pm |
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That particular law section that the Pine case was citing was 11-47-18. Did not state anything about 11-47-11.
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buketdude
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Posted: Mon Dec 24th, 2007 10:31 pm |
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| I am not to sure about the laws in Rhode Island. I have a friend there who has a pistol at home..but said he was told by the Providence police they would never issue him a permit to carry unless he had a "documented threat"...or other "sufficent reason"
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Jared
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Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 06:16 am |
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Mainsail wrote: Wow, it looks like it’s coming up on one year without a single post in this state’s forum! Have the rights of the people in the beautiful state of Rhode Island been so eroded that they have abandoned all hope of bearing a firearm in defense of themselves and the state?
Section 22 of the RI State Constitution, the second to last, reads:
| The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. |
Jim and myself (along with a few others) have done extensive work in Rhode Island, many chiefs do issue Pistol Permits. Also check out Mosby v DeVine 2004, RI Supreme Court.
We do alot, we just don't flaunt it online, in Rhode Island, things are done differently.
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Jared
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Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 06:20 am |
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buketdude wrote: I am not to sure about the laws in Rhode Island. I have a friend there who has a pistol at home..but said he was told by the Providence police they would never issue him a permit to carry unless he had a "documented threat"...or other "sufficent reason"
For the record, Providence has many, many Pistol Permits issued, they are suppose to be shall-issue. The permits are issued as favor and pay-offs, but Providence is very corrupt.
The case against Jeff Pine (who issued Pistol Permits without a problem) was only involving state issued permits. Town issued permits are better to have as they exempt you from the waiting period.
State issued permits confer no right or entitlement, town permits do.
For more on Rhode Island, visit http://www.cralri.com
We don't post much on open carry at all because RI is not an open carry haven, you can only open carry if you have a state issued Pistol Permit (town permits do not provide for open carry). RI has a hard time keeping rights (on everything) as is so battling for open carry is completely out of the question.
Last edited on Thu Dec 27th, 2007 06:21 am by Jared
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massltca
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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:46 pm |
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| Are the town issued permits good state wide?, if so why is there a need for the attorney general issued permits?
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Jared
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Posted: Fri Feb 29th, 2008 08:41 pm |
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massltca wrote: Are the town issued permits good state wide?, if so why is there a need for the attorney general issued permits?
Yes, they are good statewide and exempt you from bluecard/ state paperwork/7 day wait on purchases.
AG permits do not exempt you from the above but one can legally open carry on an AG permit.
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simondog
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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why is there a need for the attorney general issued permits?
... because many police departments refuse to process application for carry permits, prefering to let the AG's office do the work. Also, the AG services non-residents.
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massltca
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 09:00 pm |
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| How difficult is it to obtain an AG issued permit? Do they ever issue to non residents?
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simondog
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 09:17 pm |
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I have a RI non resident "restrictions: none" permit, however, they are "may issue" and require some sort of showing of need. I also know of several people at the local gun clubs in MA who have been declined, or issued "work purposes only" permits. The last I checked, the AG was signing each one personally.
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Jared
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Posted: Wed May 14th, 2008 11:24 pm |
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simondog wrote: I have a RI non resident "restrictions: none" permit, however, they are "may issue" and require some sort of showing of need. I also know of several people at the local gun clubs in MA who have been declined, or issued "work purposes only" permits. The last I checked, the AG was signing each one personally.
Patrick Lynch personally signs all state issued Pistol Permits, he signed mine. Sheldon Whitehouse had a stamp that was used, he personally signed very few of them.
A non-resident can apply to any city or town for a town permit.
Their was a need for a state issued permit. The AG permit was created in 1950. At the time, town permits were valid for not more than 1 year, you had to post bond, and you had to register every pistol and revolver you owned on the license.
AG permits were good for as long as the AG said they were good for (in 1974 all permits were changed by law to be valid for 4 years, town and state). The AG also wanted to be able to arm investigators and witnessess if need be at his own discretion without going through a police department.
The AG is also free to issue a permit to anyone, anywhere, anytime, the law even allows the AG to issue a permit to illegal aliens (they wouldn't but its a long story).
In 1974, the Attorney General tried to get the General Assembly to transfer 11-47-18 authority from the AG to the State Police. Thankfully they didn't as the state police are anti-gun and are also actually very anti-rights in general.
There is no telling what the AG will do for issuing permits. Unless one is denied for criminal reasons, people who appeal almost always get a restricted permit (restrictions don't mean anything under the law) and as a non-resident, what do you have to lose by having a "restricted permit".
Honestly, this AG's administration is not a bad group of people and as much as I wish they would just issue permits to all non-felons or violent people, they have been very good about other gun related issues.
Like I said, RI gets no attention on this forum, and I kind of like it that way. Things are moving along in Rhode Island but RI is a special animal, things like open carrying in town meetings as a form of protest would unfortunately have a backlash (although OC'ing is illegal without an AG permit) so things are gone about differently in RI.
Last edited on Wed May 14th, 2008 11:24 pm by Jared
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massltca
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 01:14 am |
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| What sort of restrictions would they put on a permit? In Mass they usually put hunting or target shooting on the license to prevent people from carrying. But fortunately most police chiefs around where I live issue unrestricted permits.
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Jared
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Posted: Fri May 16th, 2008 04:24 am |
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massltca wrote: What sort of restrictions would they put on a permit? In Mass they usually put hunting or target shooting on the license to prevent people from carrying. But fortunately most police chiefs around where I live issue unrestricted permits.
One I have seen a lot says "work purposes only". There is another one about shooting ranges as well.
I remember a retired man showing me an AG permit that said "work purposes only". This was issued under Whitehouse.
Unlike MA law, in RI, the only types of licenses that can legally be restricted are AG issued Machine gun licenses. AG pistol permit restrictions are not legally binding as the lanuage that allows the AG to restrict machine gun licenses (11-47-8) is not present in 11-47-18.
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Stylograph
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 02:33 am |
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Is the link above (http://www.cralri.com) no longer active, or is there some typo in the URL?
I'm interested in learning more about getting a RI permit. When I first moved to Providence over ten years ago, I did the background research but for various reasons got sidetracked when it came to the actual application. At this point I'm pretty well plugged into the local establishment, so I'm hoping I won't have too much trouble getting approved by the AG.
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rrarra2001
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Posted: Sat Aug 9th, 2008 04:31 pm |
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you might want to check this out
http://www.exeter-arms.com/state_law_chart
JayM
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Jared
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Posted: Sun Aug 10th, 2008 04:23 am |
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rrarra2001 wrote: you might want to check this out
http://www.exeter-arms.com/state_law_chart
JayM
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You might not want to. He's wrong on MI as well as other places.
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SlackwareRobert
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 05:16 pm |
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Is the AG machine gun permit also a shall issue, and avalible as a NR?
May be hope for those DC owners yet!
I wonder how long the AG would laugh when he gets the aplication
for the springfield 1911A machine gun, from Mr Heller.
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Jared
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Posted: Sat Sep 13th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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No, 11-47-8 spells out machine gun licenses.
They are restricted and it is at the discretion of the AG.
The AG does not give them out.
However, there are a laundry list of people who are exempt from the machine gun ban, they can be found in 11-47-9 and 11-47-9.1
I don't see why they would laugh if Heller submitted an application for a machine gun license for his 1911.
RI does not consider them machineguns nor is there a magazine limit in RI.
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