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steelcoreap Regular Member
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As a few of you know there are a few of us who OC here in our small college town of Pullman. Dave the Welder has been doing this around here before me, and as I understand it there might be one other guy around town doing it. I've OC'd around town a little bit now and then but after this weekend's lunch in Spokane I'll be going more and more. Now onto the report so to speak. Last week I talked my roommate into OCing for dinner and a little around town. He was hesitant to go and worried about the reactions. We went to dinner at a great little place called Golden Teryaki. The people there are very nice and the service is hard to beat. No one said anything to us the entire time we were there. There was even an off duty cop who walked in when we were paying and he didnt even seem to bat an eye. Next stop was Dismores grocery store. We got a few looks but no one said anything in the store untill I was standing in the check out line. When the guy infront of me finished paying he turned to look at me and I think he was startled when he say my gun. I know this because he just said "Holy Sh!t!" and headed for the door real quick. I wanted to say something to him, but he was gone before I thought about it. Blockbuster video was next and again, not a problem. Every time I OC it just shows me how oblivious people are to what is around them. I swear most people just dont notice my gun on my hip. Hopefully my roommate will join the board soon and start posting. He had a great time at the Spokane lunch yesterday. Kevin |
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just_a_car Regular Member 
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The guy in the grocery line is a perfect example of what I consider "sheeple", even though I think it's derogatory to call anyone that is in condition white that name. He didn't even think that you might have been an off-duty cop, just "gun, bad, RUN!" It's this kind of thinking that is most detrimental to our RKBA and the one we have to try and change the most. Sure, your fence-sitters need to be "converted", but the ones that are so ignorant of the facts as to fear the mear thought, much less the sight of, a firearm are in desperate need of education. |
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G27 Regular Member 
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I've opencarried in Pullman many a times. Denny's, Pizza Hut, the movie theater, Dismores, and a few other places I can't think of on top of my head. I think I've pretty much OC'd everywhere in Moscow, too! I'll be out there the weekend of March 14th-18th if anyone wants to meet up. |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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G27, I'd love to meet up with you when you're out here. I should be getting back to pullman that weekend cause its the end of my springbreak. |
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spike89 Regular Member
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G27 wrote:I've opencarried in Pullman many a times. Denny's, Pizza Hut, the movie theater, Dismores, and a few other places I can't think of on top of my head. Oh god, Dismals! I remember when they decided to stop selling porno mags because the giant church of the holy stadium got enough folks on city council elected and able to pressure local businesses. Before that, wow, they had quite a selection to appeal to the college-aged over-sexed males. LOL. FYI, if Tidymans is still open over in Moscow, it is worth the drive. And I also remember there was a grocery store in the strip mall across from the funeral parlor and the giant church/stadium. They closed up in the early 90's, but hell they even sold ammo! |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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G27 wrote: I'll be out there the weekend of March 14th-18th if anyone wants to meet up. Count me in. You have my number, keep me informed. |
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I'd like to take a day trip over in Eastern WA sometime, it's been a while since I've been over the mountains. Are the passes clear now, or do you still have to have chains and all that nonsense to get over there? Where is a good place to go and just spend the day seeing the sights, maybe get a little shooting in if there is open area to shoot at? Hell, if I ever do make it over that way, I wouldn't mind meeting up with you guys; probably won't be this month though...... |
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G27 Regular Member
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Dave, is it possible we might go shooting as well? I'll have to talk to the girl but I'd love to go blast a few rounds off! I haven't been shooting in months unfortantly.  |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Compmanio365: The passes should be clear and the weather over here is getting better and better by the week. Give it a week or two and it should be great to drive over the mountains and see the "other" Washington. Tri-Cities is a great place to go to if you want to tour winerys, but that's about it. Spokane has LOTS to see and is a fun place to visit (heck, I was just there visiting and OCing on Saturday). The drive from Tri-Cities to Dayton or Walla Walls are both very pretty. Wherever you go, I can take you out shooting, and I'm sure several other OCers will come along. I can also give you a place to stay if you need. Just let me know the when and wheres. G27: I've got a friend up here that's a former fighter pilot and owns a bit of land. I have an open invitation to come out and shoot on his land (I helped him put up a series of solar pannels). Plus, you can ask him about having to eject from his fighter jet. It's a great story. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Hello, everyone. I'm a new guy (obviously) and a student at WSU. I normally carry concealed, but I had no idea Pullmanites would be so receptive to open carry, since it's a college town and college students tend to be liberal. I have a Bersa Model 85 in .380, but I will be upgrading to something in .40 caliber when I get some money. Anyway, are there any good gun stores in the area? I haven't found any, and maybe I'll see ya around with your OC weapon.  |
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G27 Regular Member
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Dave I am heading out there tonight and will give you a call sometime this weekend. Can't wait to meet up with you guys! |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Dr. Fresh wrote: Anyway, are there any good gun stores in the area? I haven't found any, and maybe I'll see ya around with your OC weapon. There aren't any good gun stores in the area that I know of, but if you're willing to drive an hour to Spokane, there's more great gun stores than you can see in an entire day of OCing (trust me, I tried a few weekends ago). You should meet up with us this weekend when we go shooting. Dave, I'm recovering from the flu and would like to see about putting shooting off until Sunday if at all possible. I'm still in the Tri-Cities. I've been on my CNC mill the last few days cranking out a prototype stock for a friend's AK and am a little behind because of the flu. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: I've been on my CNC mill the last few days cranking out a prototype stock for a friend's AK and am a little behind because of the flu. Pardon me for butting-in and kinda hijacking the thread... but are you able to do custom designs?! I have wanted a tabuk stock for my Romanian AES-10 stamped receiver, but Ironwood Designs says that it can't be done (or they don't want to) and only sell it for the Yugos with a milled receiver mounting block. From looking at the design, I don't see why it would be a problem to skeletonize a normal stock if you used laminate as a base. Admittedly, it wouldn't be any good for bashing-in heads, but that's not the point, as I'm trying to turn this into a Designated Marksman-type rifle. Heck, if I had the cash flow, I'd design it to integrate into the Romanian wire side-folding stock hinge. A wood skeletonized side-folder... now that's just drool-worthy! |
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JB Regular Member 
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I don't know if Idahoans are invited, but I'll be back in Moscow on the 16th and would like to meet up and or do some shooting. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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I'd love to go shooting this weekend, but I'm on the West side until Sunday because of Spring Break. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Dave The Welder wrote:I've been on my CNC mill the last few days cranking out a prototype stock for a friend's AK and am a little behind because of the flu. Not a problem, just PM me and we'll talk it over. Before I came to WSU for the final two years of my engineering degree, I got two year AAS degrees in both welding and machining from Columbia Basin College. I own a CNC vertical milling machine, a plasma cutter, and a Miller Dynasty inverter welder. I looked at the tabuk design and I think that it will be very easy to convert a regular stock into one of them. Also, forget the romanian wire side-folding stock hinge, I'll just make you one. One of the things that I'm prototyping right now on my friend's AK stock is my own design of side-folder. For that matter, we could just build the rifle from the ground up. A US made designated marksman AK would look pretty nice in your collection. Back to topic, Dr. Fresh and JB, that's plan on going shooting on Sunday. I'll PM both of you my number in the morning. |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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Dave, count luke and I in on the shooting. Luke just got a new AR that you're going to love. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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I'm not gonna be back in the Palouse area until pretty late this Sunday, so I could go another weekend. Keep me posted. |
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G27 Regular Member
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In Pullman as we speak. I shall see you guys on Sunday. Dave, call me Sunday when you're ready. I got my girlfriend and our friend coming, too. I got about 300 rounds of .40 to shoot off through my glock and sig sauer.  |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Do y'all go the range in Moscow? What's their policy on showing up to the range with a concealed carry piece? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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steelcoreap wrote: Luke just got a new AR that you're going to love. WTF?!?!?!? Won't this be Luke's fourth gun purchase in less than a month? He already bought a Springfield Operator and a S&W revolver. Where's this guy's money coming from? He is in college after all. |
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JB Regular Member
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Like the good doctor, I won't be in the area untill late sunday. I have a pretty lax schedule if you guys wanna go during the week or I'm good to go on another weekend. As for the range, I'm of no help there. This is my first semester in Moscow. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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damn! I wish I wasn't stuck on this ship. I'd love to bring my new Mossberg cruiser and the Grendel down. Oh well, when I get home I'll have a new 1911 to shoot also so we will have to get together. |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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To answer a previous question about the Moscow range, their rules say that there can be no hot weapons on the range unless you are ready to shoot. So by their rules a loaded concealed pistol would be a no no. But its one of those things that if its concealed then who would know right? Not that I am advocating breaking the rules. Also know that it is a members and guest only range and they are pretty strict about that. |
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G27 Regular Member
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I thought we were just gonna go unload at Dave's friend's house? Maybe I was wrong. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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G27 wrote: I thought we were just gonna go unload at Dave's friend's house? That's still the plan. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Hey guys, sorry for the slow response. I haven't been able to get a hold of my friend with the land (I think I might have heard him talking about being in California this week) so unless somebody else has a place to go or a membership to the Moscow range, I'm thinking that we may just have to settle for an OC lunch or dinner with everybody. Sorry about this, it was mainly due to a lack of planning ahead of time on my part. Let's at least try to salvage what we can and all get together. |
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G27 Regular Member
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So do we want do a lunch in Pullman or in Moscow? I figure Moscow has a few more choices eating wise. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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What time are you planning on getting out of town by? |
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G27 Regular Member
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I am staying until Monday morning so I will be here all day tomorrow. Just give me a call tomorrow sometime. I posted this in the Idaho forum section, too. So maybe we can get a few more people. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I think that JB and Dr. Fresh aren't getting in until later on Sunday, so I'd like to see about doing dinner instead of lunch. |
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G27 Regular Member
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So needless to say we had our open carry dinner over here in Pullman. It was actually in Moscow, Idaho because there is no good restaurants over in Pullman but I got to meet quite a bit of new people and it was extremely fun. We ate dinner at Winger's with no problems and just as we paid a manager came and told us that Luke needed to put his firearm in his car. He replied that Idaho was an Open Carry state. The manager at that time didn't want to talk about it any further and b told us it was private property and that he needed to go put it in the car. We then proceeded to leave. Dave and Kevin went back in to ask the manager what was up with it. The wife didn't want me getting arrested and she wasn't about to let me go back in. I called Dave to see if he needed to be bailed out and he said the manager was nicer about the subject the second time around and just said that some people had complained about it and that he wanted to make everyone happy. So I guess Winger's won't be our next choice as they clearly don't support us open carrying there. He said we were welcome to come back, as long as the guns were left in the car. I don't believe this is corporate policy but I won't be going back nonetheless. A manager is supposed to represent a company, and this left a bad taste in my mouth. But I've come to expect that. The interesting side of the story is that the people that were scared of our firearms is one of the girl's friends. He said that they were scared by a bunch of guys sitting next to them with guns. She told him to grow up. I was actually impressed by the wife's change of attitude on the whole subject and she completely supports us now. I was thrilled to see her stick up for the "bunch of crazy guys carrying guns." Thanks to everyone that came out. It was awesome meeting you Dave and Kevin. You need to tell your friend Luke to come and join the board. It would be nice to see a new poster. Also, Kevin, what screen name do you go on under this board? Last edited on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 05:27 am by G27 |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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Dave, it was great meeting you tonight. I had a lot of fun. Luke should be joining the board tonight and I told him it was his responsibility to write the report for this meeting but it looks like you beat him to it. Dave (the other one) should join in here shortly with some more info as he and I both had our recorders going when we were talking to the manager. One thing to add is I'm sure the manager thought that Luke was the only one carrying and he didnt notice Dave and myself were armed as well untill we were done talking to him. He seemed like a nice guy and was trying to go along with the owners wishes. I think I'll try some other restaruants in Moscow to see if I get similar responses. Kevin |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Here's Kevin's and my story of talking to the manager: Kevin and I decided that this would be a great opportunity to talk with a manager about open carry so we headed back into the restaurant and asked the lady at the front if we could speak with the manager. When he approached us, we identified ourselves as part of table that Luke was at when the manager had asked Luke to leave. I asked him if it was store policy to ask people with visible firearms to leave. He replied that pretty much, anywhere in Moscow, if the restaurant or bar didn't have a gun check, then the firearm needed to be left in the vehicle. I replied that I knew that a firearm couldn't be carried in a bar but was unaware of any law requiring me to disarm before entering a restaurant. He said, "just think about it, we're a family restaurant and people get uneasy about stuff like that." I said that we were all family and friends and that we had all just arrived back in town and wanted to get together for dinner. The manager replied, "he's (referring to Luke) right, this is an open carry state. You could walk down the middle of down town and nobody could do a damn thing, and it's cool. I think it's great, but just leave it in the truck." I thanked him and told him that we wanted to make sure that we hadn't caused any problems, and he replied that we hadn't, at which point we left. The quotes above were directly off of my voice recorder. Looking back, there was a lot that I could have said, but I was trying to say as little as possible (so that I didn't sound like I was lecturing him) while saying as much as possible. I have the recording if anybody is interested. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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G27 wrote: Kevin, what screen name do you go on under this board? He goes under steelcoreap |
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G27 Regular Member
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Dave, just so that you are aware you can carry in a bar in Idaho if you so wish. The only places you can not carry in Idaho is in a courthouse, juvenile detention facility, adult correctional facility, prison, jail, public school or private school. Everywhere else is fair game, unless you get kicked out!  Last edited on Mon Mar 17th, 2008 06:15 am by G27 |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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G27 wrote: Everywhere else is fair game, unless you get kicked out! Luckily, this never happens to us.  What...wait a minute...oh yeah, it did.  |
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So it looks like Dave beat me to the post about our dinner tonight. So in the spirit of not making my first post on this forum be completly redundant and pointless.. I will just add that this is the second time in two days that I have been confronted while carrying, However i believe this to primarily due to the sweatshirt I was wearing, its completly white and makes my serpa and 1911 stand out like a sore thumb. I have been open carrying almost everywhere for the last two weeks, both here in pullman and back in olympia and the only time anyone has said anything other than positive inquisitions, has been when i wear that white sweat shirt. I always have dressed up a bit when I OC just to try and present an image other then whats expected. just goes to show what a difference it makes. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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yeah!!! Welcome to the board luke! I wish I could have been there. What was the total headcount? If I wasn't on this damn ship right now I would have totally been there. Next time for sure. I'll be back in Spokane on April 11th. Well have to plan another one. |
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G27 Regular Member
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There was G27/Dave and the girl, then there was Dave the welder/Dave, and steelcoreap/Kevin, DMR-223/Luke, and Luke's "friend" Kelly. So there was six of us total. It woulda been nice to have some more there but for a casual get together i was impressed how many showed up. Can't wait to get out there again and do it. |
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JB Regular Member
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Sorry I couldn't make it guys. I'll keep checking over here to see when you go out again, I'd like to meet up with some like minded folks. It's too bad they asked you to leave your gun in the truck, and funny he only noticed one person carrying. |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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What I also find funny is that the manager told Luke to put the gun in his truck. Luke doesnt own a truck. He drives a subaru. Its interesting to see the sterotypes people have. |
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JB Regular Member
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Well, if he carries a gun he must be a gun totin' redneck with a jacked up truck! |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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JB wrote:Well, if he carries a gun he must be a gun totin' redneck with a jacked up truck!well. It is eastern Washington after all! |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member 
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Yet another new guy. Are there any OC meals comming up in the near future either here in pullman or over in moscow? I am obviously new to the family and am ready to jump in. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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I dunno... I'm busy with finals and such, but the last week or so of school I'll just be kickin' it around here. |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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Hey, to you new guys, looks like there are a few more of us in Pullman now. I'm sending you a pm with my phone number. There are three of us right now who OC around Pullman a lot. Just for exposure we'll go down town and get coffee or all of us will go get groceries at the same time. If you want to get together for lunch or dinner we can do that pretty easy most nights (depending on homework). I dont know what people are doing this weekend seeing as how its Moms weekend here, but I plan to go out and OC as much as I can. Figure it should be interesting. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Awesome, just got your PM. As for this weekend, I'm working at a restaurant, so you can guess the nights start early and end late on Mom's weekend. Still surprised I haven't seen anyone OCing around town. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Give us the name of where you work and we'll fix that. Kevin and I have been OCing a lot around town and it's been so uneventful that we haven't been posting. I think that it's about time that we catch everybody up are activities. Kevin, you want to do the honors? |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Dr. Fresh wrote: Haha good luck getting a table tonight! It's gonna be a zoo. Sadly, I wouldn't see you anyway because I work in the kitchen. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Dr. Fresh wrote: Awesome, just got your PM. As for this weekend, I'm working at a restaurant, so you can guess the nights start early and end late on Mom's weekend. I would still like to know where you work so that way we can make random appearances, if you are not intrested in posting it feel free to send a PM. Although I don't eat out often I think exceptions can be made. And I am sure the others feel the same way. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Although I don't eat out often I think exceptions can be made. And I am sure the others feel the same way. 90% of my exceptions are because of OC |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Well, I work at the Fireside Grill. Although only for a couple more weeks because I'm going home for the summer soon. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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We had an OC get-together today in Pullman and it went off great. We parked downtown and walked a few blocks to Quiznos. I waited outside while everyone else went inside because I was finishing up a phone call. When I entered I noticed that somebody had already started a conversation with Kevin about us carrying. I walked up and took over talking to him so that Kevin could order. I explained that we were normal citizens that normally carried concealed but due to recent events, have been carrying openly more and more to bring a general awareness to the public that it's never the firearm that's the problem, it's the person that had access to it. He agreed with me and said that that made perfect sense and loved getting one of the pamphlets. We talked for about 5 minutes with several other customers listening in. Very good talk and everybody involved was very pleased with what we were doing. I then ordered my sandwich and at the register had one of the workers comment that everybody seemed to be carrying pistols. I repeated the same speech about who we were and why we were doing it and handed him a pamphlet as well. He looked through it, asked me several questions about gun laws concerning concealed carry (he owned a pistol) and thanked me for being so helpful. He stated that he supported what we were doing and loved that the pamphlet had everything that he needed in one place. While this was going on there were several employees listening in. Nobody seemed nervous and everybody seemed very interested in what I had to say and were nodding there heads in agreement. Afterwards, we snapped a picture of the four of us who were carrying (there were 5 of us total). I think it's important that we start posting more pictures of us out and about when OCing both to encourage new members and to put a face on us so that the general public can see that we're just average people who care about our rights and freedoms. EDIT: We really looked happier than this walking around town, it's just that the sun was in our face when the picture was taken Attached Image (viewed 214 times): Last edited on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 12:40 am by Dave The Welder |
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G27 Regular Member
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At least Luke wasn't wearing that bad luck sweater this time. haha |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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G27 wrote: At least Luke wasn't wearing that bad luck sweater this time. haha No he didn't, but he joked about wearing it! |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Ahh damn.!!! Too bad I didn't know you guys were getting together. Today would have been a perfect day to take a drive out of town. I've been so bored all day that I actually started cleaning out the garage!! Do you guys still want to plan something for this coming Saturday in Spokane? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Of course we do. This was just a little pre-Spokane party to get ready for the main event |
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Dave The Welder wroteHe said, "just think about it, we're a family restaurant and people get uneasy about stuff like that." I find it kind of ironic for somebody who's feeling uneasy about you open carrying to actually say something about it. I mean if they really were afraid of you, would they want to confront you and let you know that they're afraid of you.....or even tell the manager and use the manager as a proxy? If they are afraid of you, why tell you? Furthermore, what if asking you to leave made you upset? Isn't that the last thing they would want? |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Dr. Fresh wrote: Well, I work at the Fireside Grill. Although only for a couple more weeks because I'm going home for the summer soon. I was OC at Fireside on Friday around 6pm with my roommates mom and dad, although she wasn't too excited about it, there were few if any reactions. Most of the patrons merely looked and became fixated, that is if they were able to pull themselves out of their own little worlds. |
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Shy_Panda wrote: Dr. Fresh wrote:Well, I work at the Fireside Grill. Although only for a couple more weeks because I'm going home for the summer soon. Interesting. Did the wait staff notice? I was washing dishes around that time, but I didn't overhear any conversations regarding any OCing customers. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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So any ideas for the next Pullman event? Figure that since there are only two more weeks left in the semester we can pull one last get together in our tiny town before everyone goes their seperate ways. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I'm thinking that we should plan on a get together this Saturday and see if we can't get everybody to show up. That would be at least 6 and could be as many as 9 (counting off the top of my head). It would sure be a show of force in Pullman. Look at how many people we talked too last time with only 5 present. I know we've already been to Quiznos twice, but they're very friendly to us and it's always full of people so my vote is for there. If you want a change of food, Taco Del Mar is across the street and they also always have people in it. Either would be a good location. Heck, if everybody showed up, we could even split up and send a group of OCers to both coffee shops downtown before or after lunch to increase the number of people who would see us. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Sounds like a great idea |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Let me know what time would work and I might be able to do it. I have to go to work at 5pm. Also, I'll have to CC because all I have is an IWB holster. haha |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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I am going to need alot more copies of the WGR, I had to pay a parking ticket today down here in Pullman and so I went into the Pullman Police station OCing and paid the ticket (over 2 hours in a marked parking space $10). The person behind the counter gave my beretta a passing glance and that was all. On my way out I noticed that there was a rotating pamphlet center which appeared to have information about all sorts of issues from all sorts of sources. I went back in to inquire as to how one goes about putting in pamphlets. When I told her that I wanted to put in some information in about OC she got a big grin on her face and said it was a great idea. She went on to mention that it merely needs to be approved by the commander, sometimes by the cheif depending on the issue. So I gave her one of the pamphlets with my contact information on it if there were any questions. When she began to look it over she mentioned that when people come in for their CPL they direct them to OCDO and packing.org for information along with providing a pamphlet on CC. She floated the idea that they could pass out WGR pamphlets along with their current CC ones. That all being said, I think I am going to need to order a whole bunch more for the Pullman Police to distribute for us. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Dr. Fresh wrote: Let me know what time would work and I might be able to do it. I have to go to work at 5pm. Also, I'll have to CC because all I have is an IWB holster. haha I think that a IWB holster should be fine, all you have to do is tuck in your shirt and it should be fine. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Dr. Fresh wrote:Let me know what time would work and I might be able to do it. I have to go to work at 5pm. Also, I'll have to CC because all I have is an IWB holster. haha Yeah, but I don't like the gray area of having a partially concealed weapon. I prefer to either CC or OC completely. |
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Would around 2 work as a good time on Saturday for everybody to show up in force? I have a friend who is going to be joining in on his first time OCing and is just looking for a time and place. Quiznos sounds good to me, but if we get enough people to show then I think we should absolutly try to inform people at multiple locations. I am down for coffee earlier if anybody else is in, I know that Dave mentioned something along those lines. |
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Schedule for Saturday so far: 2PM: Lunch downtown Pullman at Quiznos. After lunch: Break for multiple coffee shops and some OC studying before finals week! |
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Dave The Welder wrote: Schedule for Saturday so far:Hmmmm. I am thinking hard about it.  |
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I might not make it. With work and finals this week is kicking my ass. |
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I'll be there. |
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So our last little OC get together went pretty well yesterday. Dave, Daves GF, Kevin, a buddy of mine Chris and the roommate all went downtown to Quiznos because they have been very friendly to us and likewise are always pretty full when we walk in. I arrive first with Rob, the roommate, and head on in and wait in line to order, people are watching but there were no obvious signs of concern. As I walk up the front the person taking orders briefly looks up and returns to his work for only a split second, lifts his head again, obviously looking at my beretta, and letting out an uncontrollable "awesome" complimented with a smile (it is my understanding that this is the same individual who was talking with Dave a few weeks back). It finally hits me that not waiting for everyone else to show up would be rude so I decide to go and wait outside (more people can see you if you're outside). My buddy Chris shows up a few minutes later with his revolver on his side followed shortly by Dave, the GF and Kevin. After a short conversation with a guy who knew Chris and Kevin we went inside to order. The large group of sorority girls who walked in as we were waiting outside created more than enough time make our presence known, but alas these ladies wouldn't strike up a conversation us , I think it must have been my political statement ("peace through superior firepower" t-shirt). So we get ready to order and have yet to have a single conversation, and as I prepare to figure out what the hell I was going to order a man behind us asks "What are you shooting?" The only reason I am able to remember it so well is because it struck me as an odd question and I didn't know quite how to respond. I ask if he wanted to know where I was going shooting, what I own, or why are you carrying. This being my first indepth OC discussion I was a tad bit unprepared finding it difficult to throw together coherent sentences, but I managed. I told him that I carry a Beretta 92F, he quickly asked if I carried a round in the chamber (because my safety is visibly off) and I replied that I did but that others don't and that it is a personal preference. He asked if I we carried on campus and the SCCC side of me came out, I started going into a quasi rant about how school policy at WSU doesn't allow guns, but that it isn't against state law and that I can carry on any other state campus, but am not allowed to carry on WSU because I would face school sanctions. The conversation then went back more towards OC when I explained that I did have my CPL and that one is not required to OC, but that it was to place a piece of fabric over it. This is when Dave's GF stepped in and handed him a WGR. He seemed to acknowledge the fact and appeared somewhat knowledgeable about the laws, although a little confused. His friend asked if you were allowed to carry with a round in the chamber if you have a CPL, I corrected him and reiterated that you don't need a CPL to open carry or have a round chambered while doing so, but if you conceal you need a CPL and are completely allowed to have a round in the chamber. The next step was obviously mentioning that you have to have a CPL if you are going to carry a loaded firearm in a car, concealed or otherwise. The men seemed to agree that the laws came across as quite silly in what you can and can't do depending on if you have a CPL.The conversation went on this way for several minutes and essentially concluded when the guy behind the counter asked what I wanted to order. There were sporadic questions and bits of information thrown about but nothing as direct as shortly prior. The end of the conversation was made obvious when the man asked the following question "So I take it you are not going to vote for Hillary then?" to which I replied "It doesn't appear to be in the cards." Then he shook my hand and thanked us for standing up for our rights and said that it was good to see that people were doing so especially in times like these. After sitting down and starting to eat several others came in and Dave was the only one OCing on the side of the table with his back to the counter, as one man passed he noticed the 1911 and I am surprised that he didn't hit his forehead on the grip. His face visibly trained on the firearm for several seconds as he slowly passed, Dave didn't notice due to the fact that his face was buried in the sandwich. This was about the last event before we took pictures (which Dave will be posting eventually) and took off. Overall a good OC day and my first true initiation into OC. Edit for spelling Last edited on Sun Apr 27th, 2008 06:11 pm by Shy_Panda |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: This is when Dave's GF stepped in and handed him a WGR.She saw you talking to the two men in line and saw the WGR pamphlets sticking out of Kevin's back pocket so she just walked up to Kevin, pulled one out of his pocket without asking, and gave it to them. I'll have her OCing with us as soon as she turns 21! By the way, nice situational awareness Kevin. lol. Maybe we need to get you some retention training for the next time you have a snatch and grab attempt on your "visible 1st amendment rights". Dave didn't notice due to the fact that his face was buried in the sandwich.Come on now, it WAS a sandwich from Quiznos. They're pretty good. Attached Image (viewed 250 times): Last edited on Sun Apr 27th, 2008 07:17 pm by Dave The Welder |
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I'm not sure how to attach multiple pictures under a single post. Could somebody help out? Attached Image (viewed 249 times): |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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Come on Dave, I was excited about my sandwich! That thing was good. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Shy_Panda wrote:This is when Dave's GF stepped in and handed him a WGR.She saw you talking to the two men in line and saw the WGR pamphlets sticking out of Kevin's back pocket so she just walked up to Kevin, pulled one out of his pocket without asking, and gave it to them. Right on Dave!!!! Sounds like you found a keeper. That's some funny @#$%. Panda, I think you did awesome. It does get a lot easier everytime you discuss it with somebody. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Good report! Glad to hear that the word is getting out there more and more... makes me feel all warm-and-fuzzy. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Not such a fun time over in Moscow, ID today, I went over to pick up some 9mm ammo at Walmart only to realize that they upped their prices $4 in the last 2 weeks. Just to compare prices I ran over to Tri-State because they generally have a pretty good selection on ammo. As I walked up to the guy behind the counter in the firearm section of the store to ask about prices he couldn't even bother to look at my face while I was asking, he was fixated on the fact that I was OCing. After I decided that $13-14 for a box of 50 was not right for the wallet I walked over to my friend who was looking at .22LR ammo. I wasn't standing there for more than 10 seconds before the same guy came up to me and asked to have my firearm, so he could hold it for me while I was looking. I asked why, surprised that anyone would think that I would be willing to hand over my sidearm. He said that I either needed to hand it over or cover it up with a jacket or leave. He mentioned that it was corporate policy (In Idaho no less). I mentioned that I was about to leave and then turned back and asked if he was aware that it was legal to OC in ID, which he was seeing as how he finished my sentence for me and proceeded to reiterate that it was corporate policy. I said alright and we left. Shortly there after I realized that I should have asked what corporate policy would have been had I been an LEO. If only I was quicker on my feet  . Oh well, I'll get there soon enough at this rate. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I've heard of this policy before from someone who used to work there. They need to be placed on the Do Not Patronize List. I'll see about heading over there this week and letting them know that they've lost my business. I'd suggest that all OCers in the Pullman/Moscow area do the same. I love their selection but we need to make a stand on our rights. |
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I plan on going onto the ID group and letting them know about this. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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If you visit Tri-State, make sure you speak with a general manager or owner... or at least make sure you see a written copy of their policy. If I'm going to add another gun store to that list, I want it to be well-within the rules I set down for the DNP list. Edit: I just realized this was in Idaho... our list is for WA businesses. But, due to the fact that it's right across the border there, if you guys get hard evidence that they have that policy, I'll certainly take adding them to the list into consideration. Last edited on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 01:44 am by just_a_car |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Understood, I'll stop by their store tomorrow morning before classes and ask to see the written store policy. |
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DMR-223 Regular Member
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thats strange... ive never had a problem at tri-state before. and ive oc- there multiple times while buying ammo. then again, i wasn't there very long. thats to bad. On the positive side, there is a gun store right next door to tri-state, next door to the fast food joint, though i cant recall its name off the top of my head, it is very OC friendly. the owner is a knowledgeable and always helpful. |
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DMR-223 wrote: thats strange... ive never had a problem at tri-state before. and ive oc- there multiple times while buying ammo. then again, i wasn't there very long. thats to bad. You are talking about Sure Shot next to Wendy's. This is usually where I take my business, however seeing as it was Sunday and they were closed I didn't have that option. Also Wal-mart had until recently the best prices on 9mm, the sad thing is that i think they still do in the area... at $18.95/100. Edited to highlight name. Last edited on Mon Apr 28th, 2008 08:15 am by Shy_Panda |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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Ammo prices just keep going up and up. You guys really should consider starting to reload. The setup costs really arent that expensive once you actually start loading. My GF and I shot at the range for a very long time today, for very little cost, since I loaded almost everything. But if you guys just don't want to do it, I'll keep your brass well taken care of if you want to save it for me. |
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surfj9009 wrote: Ammo prices just keep going up and up. You guys really should consider starting to reload. The setup costs really arent that expensive once you actually start loading. My GF and I shot at the range for a very long time today, for very little cost, since I loaded almost everything. Is it kosher to reload wolf mil classic 7.62X39? The cases seem a little on the skechy side for reloading. What are your start up costs? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Is it kosher to reload wolf mil classic 7.62X39? The cases seem a little on the skechy side for reloading. What are your start up costs? Nope. Opinions vary, but as a general rule, unless SFTF, stick with brass cases and don't try reloading steel cases |
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I wouldn't load steel cases. They can't hold up to the resizing very well. You could beuo and running for $200-300, depending on where you pick up your stuff. I bought almost everything used except my dies, go to ar15.com and start watching the reloading section of the equipment exchange. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Another business that doesn't need any of our money. I went into Tri-State today with Dave the Welder and asked to see the manager. He was out to lunch at the time so we talked to an associate manager who didn't have any information and directed us to Thomas Ekhart? (I can't remember the last name) who was the shift manager out to lunch. She mentioned that he would be back around 1:00pm (in 40 min.). We thanked her and left to go kill some time at Sure Shot and stopped by the mall for a quick snack before heading back. Upon arriving at Tri-State we again asked to see Thomas and he happened to just be walking up so we mentioned that someone at the store told us that it was against corporate policy to open carry which he confirmed. His demeanor was not rude, but certainly not polite seeing as how we were asking about their firearms policy. When we asked to see the written policy he walked us back to the gun department without saying a word and pointed to a small sign about 5X10 inches that laid out that firearms are not to be openly carried in the store and that the employees would be happy to hold our firearms while we shopped. We mentioned that we had never seen it and he brought up the fact that it was the same as every other disclaimer throughout the store about credit cards not being accepted and that 99/100 times people hand him a credit card.At this we decided to leave the store and just before walking out I asked if it applied to LEO which he responded that it didn't (because LE are obviously better trusted then the average law abiding citizen). The plan is to write corporate and notify them that they are one of the only stores in Moscow that has a policy that is inconsistent with state law. Hopefully in the near future we will have a picture of the notice (which is not obviously visible, nor is it posted on the door at the entrance). Hopefully everybody can find different places to shop in the Moscow area seeing as how Tri-State does not support your civil rights, no extra money needs to be handed their way. |
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Ya. I went to Moscow's Tri-State before and they asked for my firearm! I was not about to be disarmed by a retail clerk so I told them I would just prefer to leave. I coulda swore I brought this up before.. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Hold your firearms?!... but cops are so much better trained (once or twice a year, versus the many times we go to the range). Morons. Added to the DNP list. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Oops, I just bought a BB gun from Tri-State. Should have read this first. O_O |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Computer hate me!!!! Anyway, I wrote a whole long thing about how shopko needs to be on the watch list and how Radio Shack rocks. Was asked to leave Shopko by management for having a weapon, Dave contacted corporate, bought mic at radioshack, ran into SWAT van, ate pizza. I will expand on all of that later, but right now I really don't feel like it after losing about 10-15min of writing... it was a long OC day. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: ran into SWAT van That was by far the funniest thing I have ever seen somebody hit. ShyPanda, if you cover what we did today, I'll post a little later on my conversation with corporate. Last edited on Wed Apr 30th, 2008 04:12 am by Dave The Welder |
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Yeah Dave, my first thought when I read that with how it's written and in the context it's in was "Gee, he should pay more attention to where he's running." *chuckle* |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Yeah Dave, my first thought when I read that with how it's written and in the context it's in was "Gee, he should pay more attention to where he's running." *chuckle*Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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just_a_car wrote: Yeah Dave, my first thought when I read that with how it's written and in the context it's in was "Gee, he should pay more attention to where he's running." *chuckle* The way it should have been written was, "backed into the fully loaded, and ready for a riot, Whitman County SWAT van while trying to pick Dave up in front of the police station." The police officers could hardly stop laughing |
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Dave The Welder wrote: just_a_car wrote:Oh my god you guys are too funny. I seriously need to come down for a day or two to OC.Yeah Dave, my first thought when I read that with how it's written and in the context it's in was "Gee, he should pay more attention to where he's running." *chuckle* |
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Dave The Welder wrote: just_a_car wrote:Yeah Dave, my first thought when I read that with how it's written and in the context it's in was "Gee, he should pay more attention to where he's running." *chuckle*   |
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ShyPanda gave me a call while I was at WSU studying today and told me that while in ShopKo, which Kevin and myself OC in all the time, a manager approached him and told him the they have a written policy against openly carrying firearms. I'll leave the details of this encounter, the OC events of the day, and him backing into the SWAT van, for his post and just focus on my reaction to ShopKo. The first thing that I did was contact corporate via the 1-800 number on their webpage. I asked the lady what the corporate policy was concerning the legal carrying of firearms in their stores by civilians and she initially responded by saying that it was illegal, period. I politely asked her if she knew that all of their major competitors (Wal-Mart, ,etc) had policies of mirroring state law to allow legally carried firearms and if this was a written policy. She said that now that she thought about it, she didn't know and would check "the handbook". She tried looking it up but couldn't find anything barring firearms. She gave me the number of Washington loss/prevention and told me that I should call them with the question. She was very professional and polite throughout the conversation. I assumed that with her giving me the number to the Washington branch, my dealings with corporate would be done. I was wrong as you'll read below. I called Washington loss/prevention and asked him the same questions. I further stated (I was feeling brave) that I was a member of OCDO, who we are, our public education efforts with the gun rights pamphlets, that their competitors allow open carry in their stores, and that I loved shopping at ShopKo and really didn't want to see a misunderstanding with a local manager prevent me from doing any future business with them. He must have been a gun person because he seemed to really become interested when I told him about our efforts to educate the public and correct the piles of misinformation out there. He also couldn't find anything baring us from entering the store while legally carried firearms but said that he'd inquire further and give me a call back. About an hour later, I got a call from corporate. It was a man from Utah (I missed who he was but he had something to do with security) and he told me that, as least in Utah, there was no policy that he was aware of that banned firearms in their stores and further stated that if the state licensed/trusted us with openly carrying firearms, then so would ShopKo. He said that I should contact Washington loss/prevention to be sure that they didn't have anything and I informed him that I already had and was awaiting a call back. We talked for several minutes and I gave him the same speech on OCDO to which he also seemed really receptive. It's too early to tell, but I think that we have this one in the bag as a misinformed manager. I was surprised though at how nobody seemed to know an answer. I would have thought that there would have been a big book of ShopKo rules which they could just thumb through to find it, but apparently it either doesn't exist, or (as I think is going on) three people have now looked in it and found nothing but wanted to ask somebody else before giving me a final answer. I'll let you know when I hear back from loss/prevention. |
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Good stuff Dave. That specific store will stay on the Watch List, as you guys requested, until we know that the manager there has been 'retrained' by corporate that OC is legal and allowed (if they do, indeed, affirm it is allowed). Hopefully they don't do something stupid like say it isn't allowed at all and I have to move them to the DNP List. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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yeah man. Were rockin the east side. Keep up the good work!! |
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Ok, so I am in a better mood today after my computer almost flew out my window. So here it goes again. Yesterday after taking one of my finals and stopping by work just to find out that I didn't need to go in until thursday I came home and hopped online to see the goings on of OCDO. I quickly came across the recent incident over on the west side which irked me off just enough to feel the need to take care of some errands that I have been putting off, OCing the whole time obviously. So before I have a chance to even start the car a friend calls and ask us to pick him up(at this stage it is me and the roommate) cause he had to take his rig into the shop. I agree and head on out to Ace Hardware here in Pullman to pick up a few things for my dresser, no issues there whatsoever, figure its going to be a good day (although slightly odd that the checker didn't bag my purchases, i think she was a little freaked by my sidearm). On to Shopko, and this is where the day becomes interesting. So upon entering the building we head straight back towards the electronics section because ironically enough I was planning on buying some rechargable batteries and a mic for my voice recorder, it sucks without one. On our way i notice an employee stareing at my gun as I walk past continuing our conversation. After grabing the batteries i move onto the next isle and start looking for a mic. Not three minuites after being in the store a manager and an employee walk up to me and aske me to leave because weapons were not allowed in the store. Somewhat caught off guard due to the bluntness I aksed if it was company policy or not, taking note of his nametag. I noted that the last word on it was manager and also made sure to note his name which is Derek (sp?) before continuing the conversation. He said that it was against policy to allow weapons in the store to which I replied 'is that written down anywhere?' he said that it was in their handbook and as such i would have to leave.(note: due to the fact that my recorder was still sucking something fierce at this point, I can not say verbatum what the conversation was, merely an approximation) I asked to see it and he said that he didn't have one on hand (ironic for a handbook). I wanted to confirm that he was a manager since I couldn't get a copy of the information so I asked if he was the manager which he did in fact confirm. I, not wishing to be tresspassing, asked if he prefer I should place the items back which I was planning on purchasing or just hand them over, his suprise to this question was somewhat humorus, and after a few seconds said that he would take them, so I did and then left. The whole situation shocked me considering I have had multiple occasions OCed in the store and even had conversations with the checkers late at night just before close while obviously OCing, even mentioning the fact. But no matter. Once outside, just like always I remembered all the things I should have asked and mentioned, the thought even crossed my mind to send my roommate back to ask for the manager to come outside so that we could talk and I wouldn't be tresspassing, but I figured that it could easily be interpreted as intimidation. Somewhat irked about that situation my roommate mentioned that Radioshack would have a mic, so we went up the block to check. At first we were the only ones there and I asked the employee if they had any mics, at this point Dave called to explain the current situation with Tri-State managment and I broke in and told him about what had just happened at Shopko, somewhat rudely to the employee I realize now. He pointed to the mics and I thanked him, all while talking very loudly about OCing. After the conversation with Dave was over I grabbed the mic and walked around the store alittle asking about battaries, which he pointed at as right infront of me  . I thanked him and started looking as he explained the differences, while this was taking place two wannabe gangstas walked in and noticed my gun right off the bat. They proceeded to walk way to close for comfort and so I proceeded to spring up and have my arm resting on or outside of my holster. They were almost using their other as a method of distraction as the other walked by from behind, again way too close at which point I shot them both a stern glare. As I went up to pay for my item one of them walked over to the counter and then walked back. Both me and my roomie swear that we heard them say "Yep, its a Serpa." which is in fact my holster which freaked me out and put me on edge even moreso than I already was. I paid for my mic and left, feeling much better about the encounter at Radioshack and feeling quite strongly that they deserved our business despite the fact that I saw no written policy or talked to management. I have a feeling that the employee went into the back and talked to someone about it though, which does not meen that he even once gave me anything but a friendly smile and amazing service (not convinced it was Because i was carrying).After having picked up a new mic, which works swimmingly, we went and picked up our buddy with the car troubles, and then off to get Dave at the WSU police station. When I drove into the parking lot which is not much bigger than a couple packs of gum, I realized that all the spots were full and attempted to turn around. As such I was backing up taking full note of the Whitman County SWAT van that was parked directly behind me. I even mentioned that hitting that thing would make a bad day even worse... little did I know. So as I threw it into first and let out the clutch I ROLLED into the front bumper of the SWAT van . Needless to say that it took little convincing to get me to head on in to notify them that I just ran into the SWAT van and didn't want any hit and run charges following me arround. I went in and got the kid behind the desk to get an officer so that I could clear things up and Corporal Hahn (nothing but respect implied in using his rank as opposed to 'Officer,' this is merely what his card says). We talked about the whole situation and I explained that I was trying to turn around and as the clutch went in the back of my car went into the front of the van. He was making sure that neither vehicle was damaged, when Dave came strolling around the corner eyes like saucers and all of the police came out of the station to take a look at the moron who ran into a SWAT van. Thankfully it was nothing more than point and laugh for the most part. I gave them my phone number and licence information and I got a nifty card (I'm sure it will come in handy later seeing as how the Corporal was great). That issue being settled for the time being we decided to be on our way.We stopped by Dave's house for a short stint and proceded to go downtown and pick up an insane amount of pizza, buy one get one free 26" monsters. The order wait was about 30 min, during which time Dave called Shopko corporate and proceded to get the run around from my perspective, all the while making headway. He will obviously have more on that later. Seeing that we needed some soda to go with our pizza we went back across town (not really saying that much for Pullman) and get buy 3 get 3 free 2L pepsi products. Shoping completed here we picked up the pizzas and ended up at my house talking about the days events and other related-ish items. That is about all that I am willing to put up considering that if my computer doesn't post this again, I am seriously going to throw it out the window. Hope that this makes it an you all continue to see my posts on here, even though some of you undoubtedly wish this were not the case. |
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Shy_Panda wrote: As I went up to pay for my item one of them walked over to the counter and then walked back. Both me and my roomie swear that we heard them say "Yep, its a Serpa." which is in fact my holster which freaked me out The above is scary... really scary. I mean, maybe those guys were just pro-gun guys that liked to wear 'gangsta' clothing and are actually responsible law-abiding citizens... BUT, if they really were BG's, then knowing not only that you're carrying a gun, but also how to disable the retention systems on your holster (by knowing what kind of holster it is) is just disturbing. I'm confident that if someone were to try a gun-grab on me without knowing about the finger-lever on the Serpa that they'd only end up giving me a wedgie and getting them some serious beat-down in self-defense (I know, I've given myself a wedgie trying to get my unloaded gun out of the holster or to just pull the holster off without depressing the lever). But if they know the retention features of a certain holster, that means they can devise a way to distract you (which I'm not saying will work, as we all try to be alert and aware, but this was two against one) and then slip in and pull your firearm. That said, it sounds like you did really well in keeping alert and aware. One way you might have defused any situation was to strike up a conversation with them about it such as "Oh, were you interested in getting a Serpa?" and get to talking to them. You'll find out pretty quick what their intentions are and you'll have them in front of you where they can't surprise you. ---------- As for the long posts, what I do before hitting "send" is right click in the message window, click "Select All", then either press Ctrl+C or (right click, copy), then hit send. That way, if the internet Borks on me, I can just go back, click "reply", press Ctrl+V or (right click, paste) and it's all right there again. It's almost like carrying a gun... I rarely ever need it, but when I do, it's nice to have done it.  |
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So yeah, I started doing that because of the missing post. |
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I have to admit that after reading some of the posts on the board, I'm surprised that SteelcoreAP and I haven't been stopped yet. Both of us OC every day whenever we leave our houses. I just can from studying with him in a coffee house downtown. We sat in the middle of a huge room amidst a sea of Apple computers with probably close to 100 people in the building and nothing. Some people noticed our sidearms, but after a glance didn't care. One table saw mine and Kevin could see that they talked about it for a minute before going on with their studying. One army looking guy wearing a Blackwater shirt saw our pistols and glared at us (it kind of looked like this:  ), but other than that, nothing. Not that I'm complaining about not having any encounters, it's just that we study the law, read up on other people being stopped, equip ourselves with voice recorders, and then nothing happens. A cop car even drove by us the other day and the cop looked right at three of us carrying pistols downtown and just drove on. Pullman really is the town to OC in. So far we've had nothing but positive encounters. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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I really am glad to hear that, Dave. But remember, the first time I actually had an encounter with police was the Seattle PD encounter last month at Denny's. I've been OC'ing for about a year now, maybe a little more, and it took that long just to have a simple encounter with a cop. Plus, that was after he didn't notice for 2 or so hours and I had to get up from the table (after sitting strong side to him that whole time) for him to notice. I felt like those cops were in Condition White while in that Denny's, like they were in a "safe zone"... or, maybe they thought Denny's was a "Gun Free Zone". |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Basically all of my encounters have happened with employees/managers and during lunchish time. Mabey due to the fact that it is finals week they assume that the crazy student with a OC pistol is going to just freak out at seeing the price of printer cartrages and 'pop a cap in someone's arse' as it were. Any future encounters will be much better seeing as how I now have my mic... provided by RADIOSHACK, your local OC friendlyish electronics store. Who knows, my ex always told me that I intimidated her and was just all around intimidating... which I just don't get, but hey she had a not-me perspective. Am I the scary looking sort of person? Are shy pandas really that terrifying? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Am I the scary looking sort of person? Are shy pandas really that terrifying? That came up while I was studying today with SteelcoreAP. He asked me (because I OC with you a lot more than he does) if you did something to get all this attention. I said that you didn't and must just be scarier than the two of us. I know, it's because we both carry "safe" looking 1911's with unscary hammers cocked back and you carry that scary all black Beretta. |
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Shy_Panda wrote: Seeing that we needed some soda to go with our pizza we went back across town (not really saying that much for Pullman) and get buy 3 get 3 free 2L pepsi products. Shoping completed here we picked up the pizzas and ... Brings up memories of Pizza Pipeline and having our friend "Richard Noggin" order for us! |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Basically all of my encounters have happened with employees/managers and during lunchish time. Mabey due to the fact that it is finals week they assume that the crazy student with a OC pistol is going to just freak out at seeing the price of printer cartrages and 'pop a cap in someone's arse' as it were. Any future encounters will be much better seeing as how I now have my mic... provided by RADIOSHACK, your local OC friendlyish electronics store I dunno, which one are you in the pics? |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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In the first photo, I am the one wearing the white shirt and the extra blue jeans, the latest group photo I am the one wearing the black WSU hat and the green shirt that says "Peace Through Superior Firepower"... I am quite obviously not making any sort of political statement about anything I am wearing that day. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote:
You don't look much like a panda. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Dr. Fresh wrote: Shy_Panda wrote: Here is a better picture of me... Attached Image (viewed 302 times): |
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Trigger Dr Regular Member 
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You must be OC on the left side... I don't see the gun and you still don't look like a panda |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Trigger Dr wrote: You must be OC on the left side... I don't see the gun and you still don't look like a panda That really hurts! Are you saying I'm not Panda enough for this site?  |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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ROFL |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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This happened during finals so I've been a little slow on posting it but here's the rest of the ShopKo story. After not hearing from ShopKo for two days I called loss/prevention again and got transferred to the district office where a guy (another one from Utah) told me that they had heard about my call and that their policy was to mirror state law on the matter. He went on to say that people OC in the Utah stores from time to time and nobody down there has a problem with it as long as they abide by state law. We talked for several minutes about OCDO and my views on open vs. concealed carry. He told me that if the manager gave me any additional problems, I should tell the manager that I talked to corporate and they said to contact Josh Nuwell (I'll double check the name when I get home. I'm sitting at WSU using their high speed internet to look at all the neat pictures on MilitaryMorons .com right now ). He said that I didn't need a number as the manager would immediately recognize Josh's name as Josh has visited all the stores on this side of the country and is apparently very far up in the chain of command. With the new information in hand, I grabbed ShyPanda, strapped on my sidearm and voice recorder, and headed for ShopKo. Derek, the manager who asked Paul to leave was on duty and we both approached him. Here's the first part of the conversion (as best as I can remember it, as I don't have my recorder in front of me): Me: Derek? Derreck: Yes? Me: Just so you know, this conversion is being recorded. (that got his attention and I think that that was a major reason behind him being so polite to us) Hi, my name is __ and I believe that you met my friend here, [ShyPanda], last week. I'm here concerning you asking [ShyPanda] to leave the store due to a store policy concerning the carrying of firearms in your store. I've contacted corporate and they've stated that you're firearms policy mirrors state law, which means that if it's legal for us to carry a pistol, then it's policy to allow it in your store. I spoke with Josh Nuwell (he definitely knew who I was talking about when I said the name as he visibly looked surprised and straightened up) and he told me that if you had any questions concerning your firearms policy, you should contact him and that you'd know his number. What you do have is a written policy preventing employees from carrying firearms at work and we both suspect that that was where the confusion came in. Since your policy mirrors state law, I thought that you might like one of these (handed him a pamphlet). This covers all the major state laws concerning firearms. We're part of a group called Open Carry Dot Org, and in light of recent events around the country, are now carrying our firearms openly whether than concealed to show the general public that everyday ordinary people do carry firearms that it's the person, not the gun, that's the problem. We hand out a lot of these pamphlets, talk to the general public about firearms laws, and most importantly, put a face on the people who carry for self defense. Derek: Could we step off to the side for a minute (noticing that the employees at the registers were all listening in intently). I hope that I didn't come across as rude the other day (talking to ShyPanda), I was only trying to enforce what I thought was our company policy. ShyPanda: No, not at all. We talked for a few more minutes and then we shook hands and left the store. All in all, a very good outcome. If anybody is interested in the recording, I can see about putting it up, although it really won't have too much more than the above. Last edited on Wed May 7th, 2008 09:26 pm by Dave The Welder |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Three of us OCed all over Pullman during the end of finals week when the gradutes were running around everywhere with their parents and it was completely uneventful. We even went into the library in downtown Pullman and they didn't bat an eye at my sidearm as I got a library card and then checked out a book. It's so uneventful, it's scary. I think that Pullman is the most OC friendly place ever. |
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surfj9009 Regular Member
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that's awesome guys. Great job. I will remember that name, since shopko is near my home. Thanks for following up with corporate dave! |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I OCed to Taco Time in downtown Pullman tonight for dinner. I've OCed in there many times, but this seemed to be the time that everybody noticed. The gal making the food came "bouncing" to the front counter to harass the guy taking my order (it was a slow night and they were all making the most of it having fun). She looked over at me and said very matter of fact, "You have a pistol". I replied that yes I did and that this was an open carry state. Both of them seemed interested so I talked with them about open carry and how a CPL is needed if you're in a vehicle. While this was going on, another employee walked into the store and got into the conversation. He asked what I was carrying and I told him that it was a 1911. He said "that's what I thought it was" and went about ordering his food. We all joked for a few minutes until my food showed up and then I sat down to eat. After eating I approached him again as he was still there and asked how he knew that it was a 1911. He said that one of his friends owns one and that he's into firearms and is thinking about buying a pistol. I handed him a pamphlet and let him know about OCDO and what we were about. When I mentioned that we post pictures of us carrying in public, he called the bouncy gal from earlier up and asked if she had her camera on her. He said that he wanted to get a picture of me with the employees to post on OCDO. She didn't have her camera on her but I promised to come in one more time before I left town and bring my camera. The entire time I was talking to him there were two guys sitting nearby eating dinner that were listening in but they never got involved in the conversation or asked me anything. I couldn't have asked for a better encounter. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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I had a wonderfully uneventful OC day, stopped by Ace hardware yet again to pick up some odds and ends and then the dreaded Shopko for a bag and other accouterments with no reactions at all. Got into a conversation with the checker who I presumed noticed my sidearm, but didn't say anything, fairly cute but regrettably I didn't have the nerve to do anything about it. Later in the evening I felt the need to become somewhat active and break in my new boots so I went for a short 4 mile ruck at the baseball fields at the bottom of engineer hill, 8 laps in total with my trusty beretta and a 75lbs ruck... I forgot how much new boots make the dogs bark even after a short walk. Every time I passed the bleachers I was strong side to them and even though their eyes were on the game, it was easy for them to notice the dark black spot in the middle of tan on my side as I passed them each and every time. Nobody said anything at all, a couple of kids stayed along side of me for about half a lap and then got bored and found something else to preoccupy themselves. All in all a pretty good day to help boost the spirits. Dave, let me know when you plan on heading back to taco time before you take off, I will make sure to stop by as well. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Dave, let me know when you plan on heading back to taco time before you take off, I will make sure to stop by as well. I'm thinking Friday as it's 99 cents crisp bean burrito day (yes, I like Taco Time...a lot) |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Shy_Panda wrote:Dave, let me know when you plan on heading back to taco time before you take off, I will make sure to stop by as well. Just give a call or whatnot on a time and taco time will make at least 99 cents |
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DMR-223 Regular Member
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im down for whatever. just give me a call |
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devldogs55 Regular Member
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I worked at a the gun counter at Tri-State for about 2 years not too long ago. They only started this policy after I left though. E-mailing "corporate" is simply sending an e-mail to one man... Gerard Connelly who owns the company. He is a liberal son of a bitch who proudly told stories of dodging the draft in Vietnam. Good luck with the Moscow store manager, Thomas. Can't stand the man. I was on his "buddy list" and just couldn't stand the way he treated other people.. I could go on for days about tha place. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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So I went and saw the new Narnia movie opening night around 930 so obviously the whole town was there, more people than I thought. Before I could even get to the door I noticed that people were looking more than usual. It may have been the fact that I was wearing shorts and so they were merely looking at my pasty white chicken legs or at my sidearm, I guess that one is up in the air. When I went up to the ticket booth to get my ticket There was one guy, maybe 20 on a good day who could not take his eyes off and actually hurried over to his friends to point me out, never noticing that I was looking at him. I purchased my ticket and went into the main lobby to wait for a few other friends, who turned out to already be waiting for me so we all went into the theater. The attractive young lady taking the tickets noticed that I was carrying but said nothing aside from 'theater number 2 is the first one on your right,' I was hoping for something more along the lines ' here is my number' but alas. Anyway, we all went in and got our seats and I was strong side to the front as I walked through so it was difficult to see that I was OC. After I sat down I started to get a dehydration headache cause I work out during the middle of the day and am not a huge fan of water, so I walk back out and hear a few people gasp when they see my firearm. I continue on as if nothing has happened and walk up to the snack counter and wait in line. A manager looking fellow walks out from the ticketing area and asks if he can help me, I inquire about the water situation and end up buying a Styrofoam cup to fill with water at the reasonable price of 25cents, and proceed back into the movie. Aside from several people looking fairly awkward trying to grasp the fact that people with guns don't hate the world, it was a very pleasant night. And the movie was great, but Ironman was still better. I OCed to that last week. Nothing else of any consequence has occurred, Wallmart, and Hastings in Moscow are both still non-event locations, as are Safeway, Ace and Dismores. I haven't been in Shopko since I went in with Dave so I might have to give that a whirl during my errands. |
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Omnivore Regular Member
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Darn. That's too bad. I've been shopping at the Moscow Tri-State for 30 years, and I never knew about this policy. I'll be avoiding them whenever possible, BUT (and this is important) if I'm going to punish them for this policy by taking my business elsewhere, they both need and deserve to know why. If you're going to place them on your DNP list, you need to notify them. It will be vastly more powerful that way. |
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Omnivore Regular Member
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Their contact page is here: http://www.t-state.com/main.php?pname=contactUs |
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RyJones Regular Member
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Tri-State's contact information is available here: http://www.t-state.com/main.php?pname=contactUs I just sent this email: From: Ry Jones Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:05 PM To: tristate@t-state.com Subject: open carry policy on firearms in your stores Hello, As a patron of Tri-State, I was sorry to read about your open-carry policy on firearms. Until your policy is changed, I won't be shopping in your stores. Thanks, Ry |
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Omnivore Regular Member
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Ry; You gave them the short and sweet. I took them to the tool shed and gave them the 400 word talkin' to: Dear Management, I have been shopping at Tri-State since coming to this town in 1978-- more than 30 years. Some of your long-term employees know me on a first name basis. I was dismayed when it recently came to my attention that you do not allow open carry of a holstered firearm in your store. As I understand it, your policy is to have a salesperson hold the gun while the customer shops. The latter is an especially foolish policy-- it demands the unnecessary drawing and handling of a loaded gun. For safety purposes, such unnecessary handling is not allowed even on most shooting ranges. A loaded gun is best left in its holster until there is a compelling need for it. You should be aware of the fact that legally armed citizens, taken as a group, are safer, more law-abiding, and have higher incomes than the population as a whole. Statistically, they are more law-abiding than police as a matter of fact. Logically, there is no reason for your anti-carry policy. People with criminal intent, for instance, are never going to be dissuaded from evil deeds by such a policy, any more than they are dissuaded by "gun free zone" signs in front of a school building or college campus (this has been proven all too often). In short; A. Asking that a loaded gun be un-holstered and handled by at least two people is counterproductive to any possible safety concern. B. Armed citizens are peaceable, safe, responsible, and they spend more money. Hardly a week has gone by in over 30 years that I have not made a purchase in your Moscow store. Some of the larger purchases, off the top of my head, have been: A Makita drill A corded hammer drill Two milling vices Two bench vices Two bench grinders Two Dremel tools with accessories A Kitchen-aid mixer Drill press Band saw Glock pistol At least one shotgun At least two rifles Several pairs of high-end shoes Multiple BBQ grills Lawnmower Weedeater Tree stand Food Smoker Tent High-end backpack Target trap Fishing reel Folding chairs Cots Camping table Ice-cream maker Multiple tool sets Drill indexes Several sleeping bags Large Coleman Stove Coleman gasoline lantern Multiple sets of plumbing fixtures for rental properties The list goes on and on. I will be avoiding Tri-State until you rescind this illogical, unsafe, and customer-hostile policy. Afterwards, I will gladly return to your excellent store. Sincerely, Lyle Keeney President-- UltiMAK, Inc. Vice President-- Keeney Bros. Music Center, Inc. Former President-- Palouse Practical Shooters NRA certified instructor-- Basic Pistol & Home Firearm Safety Member-- Lewiston Pistol Club, NRA, Second Amendment Foundation |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Now that is the way to get across to them. Letting them know you won't be bringing your business back and showing them how much you spend is the kind of thing that usually scares the hell out of retail management. I was in retail management for a little under 10 years and that is the thing that scared me the most. |
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Omnivore Regular Member
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I know-- I've a retail business for 30 years. I sent them another letter: Dear Tri-State Management, As an addendum to my previous letter, I make a suggestion regarding the carrying of personal firearms in your stores. Cabela’s store in Post Falls, for instance, has a sign at the front door which reads something like, “Guns brought into the store for sale are to be inspected by a salesperson. This does not apply to personal guns carried for protection.” I would suggest the following; “Personal firearms are to remain holstered at all times.” Simple and to the point—you do not want loaded pistols un-holstered and handled except in an emergency. It gets the point across, and your good customers will not be made to feel like pariahs. Thank You, Lyle Keeney |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Omnivore wrote:
WHAT? UltiMAK is based in Moscow? Do you have a store or just a machine shop? I'm sending you a PM. I'd love to come over and see the shop. |
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RyJones Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Omnivore wrote: Send him email - lyle@ultimak.com - easier way to contact him. There is neither a store nor a shop in Moscow; picture a small warehouse / pick / pack / ship area / photography set and a few offices. All of the machine work is done off-site. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Omnivore (and I'm guessing RyJones, due to your last post), it's good to have you, as UltiMAK president (and I'm guessing employee for Ry). Your company has a very good reputation for rail accessories. I'd shop there, but I can't justify paying the prices you guys charge. For example, I will be buying a tri-rail lower handguard for my AES-10 in the near-ish future, but I can't justify the $220 pricetag you have for them when I can get the same thing from Blackjack Buffers Inc for under $100. I'm not knockin' ya for running your business the way you want to, but I wish your prices were more competitive so I could send my money to more local (and gun-friendly) states. |
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RyJones Regular Member
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I'm not an employee; I've known Lyle for about ten years, but have never really been employed by him (I've helped clean up and stuff, that's about it). I live in Kirkland and work for Volt at Microsoft. |
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Omnivore Regular Member
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If we charged 100 dollars for our tri-rail, we'd be selling at a loss-- bankrupt in about a week. What youre doing, essentially, is comparing a $40 BSA red dot paintball sight to a 550 dollar Aimpoint, or a 40 dollar SKS scope/mount combination to a Leupold or a Swarovski optic. I could go into the elegant engineering and manufacturing details, their relative costs, and their implications to the user, but this isn't the place to do it. Read the description on my web site. I didn't just make that up as marketing fluff. Suffice it to say that we started doing what we're doing in response to, as an alternative to, the type of product you're discussing. Open carry-- yeah! |
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Hey Guys- another OCer from P-town here. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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tanman wrote: Hey Guys- another OCer from P-town here. Glad to see you're finally on the board tanman. Tanman is a good friend of mine, was OCing before this site even existed (although not as much as he does now), and has been instrumental in pushing the concealed carry on campus and open carry issues around the Tri-Cities and Pullman. He's a great addition to the OC movement and to this board. Welcome aboard. |
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tanman Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Dave The Welder wrote:Shy_Panda wrote:Dave, let me know when you plan on heading back to taco time before you take off, I will make sure to stop by as well. Dude, dave needs to join us for some sushi when you get back, or before (assuming you like sushi Dave). I need some more guys to OC in there with me. It gotten to the point where I don't even have to order anymore Apparently my nickname is 'the gun man' according to James and Sun, I told them they should call me that in Korean, not English...for obvious reasons.Last edited on Sun Jun 29th, 2008 10:10 pm by tanman |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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tanman wrote:
PM me who this is. I eat in there on a weekly basis (or at least I did before I shipped to DSS) when I get back we WILL make an OC sushi run, I am craving some good sushi pretty hard. I have never seen anyone else OC in there unless they were with me at the time. Glad to have you on the OC sushi bandwagon, just slightly confused as to id. I should be back in about a month unless I get mobed or deployed again. |
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tanman Regular Member
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SO- who is still actually in P-town for the summer? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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tanman wrote: SO- who is still actually in P-town for the summer? I'll be there starting tonight and through Saturday afternoon. |
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tanman Regular Member
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We will have to do what we discussed, as far as prep work anyway... Call me |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Hey all, Nice to see so many P-towners around. I've been wanting to carry owb, but have been a little hesitant as I work for the University and am finishing up my thesis. Although, I'd like to meet up with you all sometime. Ken |
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tanman Regular Member
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Welcome! Too bad you missed the party today, myself and Dave the Welder OC'd to the 4th of July in the park party. Quite fun...ended up making a good impression on everyone we talked to. It is something that is easier to do if you start with people who are comfortable with it and familiar with the laws. I'll keep you posted on OC lunches. Tokyo-Seoul is a very OC friendly place, several of us eat there often. Perhaps next week when they re-open some of us can get together and enjoy a bit of sushi? TTYl |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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I must admit, never tried any sushi. However, the Tokyo-Seoul place has looked interesting every time I walk by. Keep me posted and perhaps I can make it. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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How does July 30 sound for a sushi get together, I will be back in the area around then and will have to take care of abunch of things getting ready for school n whatnot. Plus I have had a hankering for some good sushi for quite some time now and I know that I will be wanting to experience freedom again. |
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tanman Regular Member
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Yeah, I'm down. I'll be at Creation Fest 23-26, so won't be able to do much the week before. Panda- when exactly you getting back? Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 09:06 pm by tanman |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Most likely on the 27th seeing as how I graduate on the 26th, I am thinking that I will be up in spokane for a few days making sure that everything is straight up there cause I am going to the west side after drill for a couple of weeks. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Here are the pictures of Tanman and I at the 4th of July party in the Pullman Park. Notice our great OC shirts. Earlier that day we OCed in the mall in Moscow and found these shirts in Hot Topic. We also ended up talking with a Desert Storm vet in the mall who was very friendly towards us OCing. Tanman is on the left, I'm on the right. In case you can't read the shirts, they say "Meteors don't kill dinos, dinos kill dinos". I'm pretty sure that it's an anti-gun shirt but they're so funny and wearing them got so many comments. Attached Image (viewed 188 times): Last edited on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 07:18 am by Dave The Welder |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Here's Tanman dancing with my girl at the concert. You can't tell but he's right in the middle of a spin. "Luckily" nobody called 911: "What's he doing sir?" "He's just dancing there!!!!" Attached Image (viewed 188 times): |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Awesome. I'll be back in the area in August. Looking forward to meeting some of you. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Love the shirts. I agree, likely an anti-gun shirt, but OC'ing with them on turns it 180 and makes it work for our cause! Good job and lookin' good while doin' it! |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Having some car problems, but hopefully I will be back down in P-town to continue the OC goodness. So far this year is turning out to be a very OC friendly year. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Ya'll need to hurry up and get back so I'll have someone to carry with... being all alone makes me a Sad_Panda.  |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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LOL I'll be back in town around the 20th. Any lunches planned after that? |
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steelcoreap Regular Member
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Well I'll be back in Pullman the 19th or 20th, and I know Dave the Welder should be there around that time as well. We'll figure something out. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Just shattered strongside elbow and wrist riding my bike on Chipman. I'd like to meet up with everyone but may have to do so unarmed... |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I'll be up on the 14th. This is going to be a great year for OCers in Pullman. We should do an opening weekend OC event downtown |
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Shy_Panda wrote: Ya'll need to hurry up and get back so I'll have someone to carry with... being all alone makes me a Sad_Panda.  |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Somebody finally got it. "That makes me a Sad Panda" is a line that me and my buddies use alot and because I am so cautious on COD4 they nicknamed me Shy Panda. I'm glad to see that someone finally brought it full circle and reincarnated the original Sad Panda. Or should I go by "Sexual Harassment Panda"? Last edited on Mon Aug 11th, 2008 03:01 am by Shy_Panda |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Somebody finally got it. "That makes me a Sad Panda" is a line that me and my buddies use alot and because I am so cautious on COD4 they nicknamed me Shy Panda. I'm glad to see that someone finally brought it full circle and reincarnated the original Sad Panda. Don't worry, I got it a long time back. I just never said anything... wouldn't want to have to send you to the Island of Misfit Mascots. |
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So I have some actual OC news to put on here for once. I have heading over to moscow and around pullman quite often cause there is NOBODY in town yet. Over the course of the last week I have on several occasions gone into (Pullman) Dismores, Ace hardware, Shopko, Safeway, HHP (my rentors who are screwing me), Bookie 2, Tokyo Seoul, Taco Time, and Crimson and Grey; all of which I have had no problems. When I went into Crimson and Grey there was a Whitman County Sheirffs car parked outside so was curious to see if today was the day I get confronted by LEO; nope, just walked past and checked up on book prices for the fall (highway robbery... mabey thats why he was there). As for Moscow I frequented Goodwill, Walmart, Hastings, Winco, the Palouse Mall to include Zumies, Hot Topic, several jewelry stores, Macy's?, a poster shop, Buckle, and a few others while trying to find a new watch. No real incidents but a few quasi conversations. When I was in Zumies the female behind the counter was really nice and came and opened up the case even though I said it was unnecessary and another store employee walked up and mentioned a specific watch that he liked and proceeded to ask about my Cobra Commander shirt. After a brief chat he walked to the back for something and after being stopped by a third employee he walked back up and said "the guy back there just asked if you had a gun, and I told him 'I'm sure he has a permit'" So I told him that you didn't need a permit for either ID or WA as OC was legal. He was unaware of the fact but seemed cool with it and went on to say "Yeah he said something about you're not going to pay for the watch, you're just gonna pull your gun and take it." I didn't know exactly how to respond other then in a dumbfounded manner with something to the effect of 'Really, like I would do something like that.' He interupted me and basically said that he knows and that the other guy is just sort of like that. I didn't get a watch but they were very good salespeople non-the-less and I suggest shopping there if thats your style. While at hastings picking up some movies I started to pick up some of the conversation from the couple behind me which I decided not to join in on because the guy seemed to have everything covered so far as I could tell. I didn't get all of it so here is the jist. F: Is that a gun. M: Yep F: Is it loaded M: See the red dot on the side, that means its ready to go if he wants to. F: But isn't it safer to have it on, I don't know safe? M: I think so but it also takes a little bit extra time to take it off. F: But what if somebody tries to take it. M: Well I guess that somebody is going to have a pretty bad day then. Cause I'm sure he knows what he's doing. Again approximation, but it was a really cool conversation. Other than that an extremely uneventful week... jerks. |
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M1Gunr wrote: in the heat of battle I'm sure this is the Panda we'll be seeing I don't actually have a revolver yet... I'll have to get on that if I am not to disappoint. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Has anybody here seen Kung Fu Panda yet? |
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Actually no I haven't. I did run into luke today when I went to get a haircut, I didn't recgonize him at first but he noticed me right off. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Maybe we'll have to plan on having an OC BBQ and Kung Fu Panda night once everyone gets back into town |
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I will be in Pullman for about 2 hours on Friday before I head up to Coeur D Alene for the weekend. I'll be spending all of next week with my girlfriend in Pullman and sometime at my fraternity at U of Idaho before I head off to Air Force Basic. If we can get anything going during next week I'll be there. |
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Vandal wrote: I will be in Pullman for about 2 hours on Friday before I head up to Coeur D Alene for the weekend. I'll be spending all of next week with my girlfriend in Pullman and sometime at my fraternity at U of Idaho before I head off to Air Force Basic. It's a shame it wasn't Army BCT, I just got back from DSS and could use someone to practice on. |
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Again the basic OC day, hit up the following with no problems; Shopko, Hastings, Walmart, the Palouse Mall. I also went to Dismores to pick up a six pack of Kokanee Gold and the bagger mentioned something about needing more ammo. It caught my attention but then realized that him and the cashier were having a rubber band fight and he needed more... that is until he noticed my beretta and said "well, i'll bet this guy doesn't need any more ammo." We then conversed about the M9 and his family sponsored military training at the age of 13...  . I had places to go so I attempted to end the conversation as politely as possible. He seemed very knowledgeable and quite nice, had no problems with OC obviously.Today ran into Higgins furnishings? here in pullman and tested out some new beds with a friend who needed help deciding on what she should get. I have a feeling that one of the employees didn't care for my firearm because after he walked up and asked if we needed any help he proceeded to walk to the far side of the store and sit on his fourth point of contact twiddling his thumbs. We were promptly helped by another employee who didnt seem to mind, or notice, at all. I must say despite the massive influx of people which I don't particularly care for, the scenery here in town is getting much better. I am surprised at how many women don't seem to have a problem with men OCing. Mabey I have just become complacent though. |
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So I haven't been on in a couple of days and what a great couple of days it has been. Was hanging out with Dave here in Pullman and we ended up having to go down to Dismores to pick up some more drinks for a party so we walk back to the beer cooler and pick up a case of cheep beer. We were passed by two guys as we walked out and we proceeded up to the register to pay for the beverages. The same two guys got behind us in line and the first thing out of their mouths was; "Hey! You guys are open carrying!". Dave and I both look at eachother dumbfounded, which if you know Dave, it doesn't happen very often. We proceded to have a conversation about how unusual it is for us to run across people who even know what OC is and they kept going on how we were awesome because we were standing up for everyone's 2A rights. Dave has the whole thing on tape so hopefully he will be on shortly to provide a better description of the events as the transpired. In other news, the Palouse mall remains a fun place to OC as does walmart. Ran into Big 5 with no problems, again Safeway here in Pullman. Pizza Perfection doesn't seem to have a problem with it, but I don't think that the girls behind the counter were paying too much attention seeing as they were hitting on myself and the roommate. Some parents of incoming freshman were not to excited to se my beretta, but I think that they were more worried about their sons when we explained that they "would have a really good time their freshman year" at which point our conversation shifted to some of the local bars (at this point we were talking amongst ourselves). If anyone gets a chance to go into the new mongolian grill (Mongolian Fire) the food is amazing and they could care less if you are OCing, I think the only notice they took of it was when we walked in and the glance was all but non existant, and they were more than friendly the whole time we were there. Yet again another wonderful relatively uneventful few OC days. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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I need to hurry up and get a holster so I can open carry. I am suprised that I havent seen any of you guys OCing. I have frequented the same places and I bet that we have passed each other and I didnt even notice. |
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computerizedfish wrote: I need to hurry up and get a holster so I can open carry. I am suprised that I havent seen any of you guys OCing. I have frequented the same places and I bet that we have passed each other and I didnt even notice. You would be suprised how often people don't even notice when I am wearing a white ARFC jersey. You would think that nothing would stand out more than black on white but I guess not when you are in your own little world. (Not directed at you computerfish) |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: computerizedfish wrote:I need to hurry up and get a holster so I can open carry. I am suprised that I havent seen any of you guys OCing. I have frequented the same places and I bet that we have passed each other and I didnt even notice. Its summer, so I am in my own world (at least till monday) Plus, I dont think I normally stare at peoples waists. |
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To all you Pullmaners...Pullmonians...Pullmanites... Cougs. Just to start the school year off right how does a really short notice get together sound? Mabey friday for lunch at Mongolian Fire, noonish. The food is amazing and fairly inexpensive, plus the owners seemed to be very open to the whole OC idea, although I didn't address it with them directly. I am thinking that I will be there regardless but would love to see anyone who decides to show up. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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I am up for Friday at noon at Mongolian Fire. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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So... who did I meet at the lunch? I remember first names, but I need to match them to their online profile. |
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Alright, so here is a quick rundown of the OC meet... unorganized. For specifics I showed up at 1200 being the punctual person I am and got a table for three. I was the one wearing the white button up by the way fish. Fish shows up and as I attempt to determine if he is "the new guy" I look for a sidearm and don't see one so I don't have the common sense to just straight up ask. He goes and gets his food, meanwhile I call dave_the_welder, the guy with the beard, who shows up somewhere around 1230 with steelcopreap?... I forgot computer names also. So as the three of us go to get our food the cooks tell me I need to add more sause so I add several more laddles of mongolian fire so when they put it on the grill and it spills over the side huge flames shoot to the roof at which point the little cook snips "did you add enough mongolian fire?" Of course none of this has anything to do with the fact that it was a very uneventful OC event other then seeing friendly faces and discussing what we should attempt to accomplish this year... which we sort of have less lofty visions then does dave. But I am sure that those of you who know dave know what I mean by that. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Happy Fall semester everyone. I'll be working at a very popular place in Lighty. Stop by and say hi... Ken |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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If its the federal student aid department, then I will be seeing you shortly. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Sounds good. I work the window from 8-10am. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Anyone up for a Pullman OC meet sometime next week? A few places that have been friendly to us in the past; Quiznos, Mongolian Fire, Tokyo Seoul... the CUB (just kidding). I am open for suggestions, only curious if people wanted to get together. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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Lunch would be hard for me. Dinner would be better, I dont get out of class till 3 o'clock. I saw a security guard in the CUB today and could only wish |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I'm up for an OC meetup |
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I'm free for lunch on Mondays and Wednesdays, dinner on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And speaking of the CUB, I saw a guy OCing in there. Not even kidding. Of course, he was one of the armored truck guys, and he was delivering something to the bank, but OC is OC, right? Hahaha.. |
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OC report: I've been OCing while riding my motorcycle around Pullman this week, including down to Dissmores for groceries. No problems. It's been warm out so there are a lot of people walking around. A few confused/interested stares but no one panicing as of yet. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: OC report: I've been OCing while riding my motorcycle around Pullman this week, including down to Dissmores for groceries. No problems. It's been warm out so there are a lot of people walking around. A few confused/interested stares but no one panicing as of yet. It is probably a wise idea to have a CPL will riding. A motorcycle is a vehicle by definition in State law and a CPL is required for a vehicle. |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: It is probably a wise idea to have a CPL will riding. A motorcycle is a vehicle by definition in State law and a CPL is required for a vehicle.No worries there Bear, I've had my CPL since I turned 21 all those (2) years ago. Thanks for looking out for the fellow OCers. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:It is probably a wise idea to have a CPL will riding. A motorcycle is a vehicle by definition in State law and a CPL is required for a vehicle.No worries there Bear, I've had my CPL since I turned 21 all those (2) years ago. Thanks for looking out for the fellow OCers. I've had a CPL since I turned 18 in 1965. I was a senor in high school. |
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Alright, at what point do we want to all get together for another OC meet and where? I wouldn't mind thursday evening-ish at mongolian fire... cause that place is awesome. (yes dave it is in fact awe inspireing) |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: Dave The Welder wrote:Bear 45/70 wrote:It is probably a wise idea to have a CPL will riding. A motorcycle is a vehicle by definition in State law and a CPL is required for a vehicle.No worries there Bear, I've had my CPL since I turned 21 all those (2) years ago. Thanks for looking out for the fellow OCers. You went to a spanish high school? |
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joeroket wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:Dave The Welder wrote:Bear 45/70 wrote:It is probably a wise idea to have a CPL will riding. A motorcycle is a vehicle by definition in State law and a CPL is required for a vehicle.No worries there Bear, I've had my CPL since I turned 21 all those (2) years ago. Thanks for looking out for the fellow OCers. Can't you tell when I forget to spell check. The fingers just don't type what I think anymore. Maybe you better come to my house to live and do all the typing for me so there will be no more felony spelling errors. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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Thursday eveing is out of the question for me. I have a couple tests this Friday. =[ |
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SNIP.Can't you tell when I forget to spell check. The fingers just don't type what I think anymore. Maybe you better come to my house to live and do all the typing for me so there will be no more felony spelling errors. Bear, If your better and I mean BETTER half will still make those brownies, then I will do your spell check, but you have to throw in that trapdoor. |
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Trigger Dr wrote: SNIP.Can't you tell when I forget to spell check. The fingers just don't type what I think anymore. Maybe you better come to my house to live and do all the typing for me so there will be no more felony spelling errors. I think I can make the brownies happen, but the "Trapdoor" is a deal breaker. She is like the wife, just can't let her go. |
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computerizedfish wrote: Thursday eveing is out of the question for me. I have a couple tests this Friday. =[Same here. How's Friday evening for everyone |
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That works for me. |
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i'm done at 10 on friday so we could even bump it up to a little earlier |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: i'm done at 10 on friday so we could even bump it up to a little earlier I'm not off until 3PM |
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Depends on what time it is, but I might be able to make it. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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If I remember correctly we are going to meet up at mongolian fire around 4 in the pm (1600 for all of you who read it that way). On the agenda for the meeting, where do we want to eat next time. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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Sorry guys, no way I can be there tomorrow. I have a test and a lab due and homework due and ..... =[ |
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7000 views on this thread!!! |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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LeagueOf1607 wrote: 7000 views on this thread!!!Not bad considering that there's only half a dozen of us and we're in a town with less than 30,000 people. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: If I remember correctly we are going to meet up at mongolian fire around 4 in the pm (1600 for all of you who read it that way). On the agenda for the meeting, where do we want to eat next time.Let's get a head count for tomorrow: Mongolian Fire at 1600 Last edited on Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:50 am by Dave The Welder |
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i am thinking 3 mabey plus one, i will see if any of my buddies want to come sans sidearms (because we are accepting of all regardless of firearm status). I figure that we start the cooking process NLT 1615 (415pm) i wonder why there are so many views on this thread alone. |
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Shy_Panda wrote:
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madcapmag wrote:
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So lunch/dinner was good tonight, met up with dave and roomie at mongolian fire. No problems, slight discussion with a couple of kids who seemed as though they were well aware of the laws. It took a while before they realized that I was OCing and they started having a conversation about how they definetly felt 'alarmed,' another said he didnt understand why anyone would need to bring it in there. This is the point where I chimed in with the trusty 'you know it is legal in washington state right?' He acknowledged that he was aware of its legality but didnt understand why i needed to bring it in. This brought up the automated response 'You never know when you might need one, its like a seat belt, do you need it everytime you use it?' To this he replied 'ive heard that arguement before, and i am not going to get into an arguement.' They had their own little conversation about how open minded they were and how evil I am... whatever, freedoms loss. Aside from that no problems, in fact I think that one of the kids might have gone up to management and told them about us... good thing I have been there enough times that they recgonized me. If this was the case the kid must have been told that our group is fine, or something to that effect. At any rate I did manage to get a picture of us enjoying the wonderful meal. Attached Image (viewed 128 times): |
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Bear 45/70 wrote: I've had a CPL since I turned 18 in 1965. I was a senor in high school. Good grief. You're just a pup. I turned 21 in '65. And here I thought you were older than dirt. I want to see some respect for your seniors, namely me, next time we meet! |
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Ajetpilot wrote: Bear 45/70 wrote:I've had a CPL since I turned 18 in 1965. I was a senor in high school. No one gives me any respect, so you get what I get you old goat.  3 years is what is between my brother and myself, only I'm older than him.Last edited on Sun Sep 21st, 2008 01:00 am by Bear 45/70 |
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Shy_Panda wrote:So lunch/dinner was good tonight, met up with dave and roomie at mongolian fire. No problems, slight discussion with a couple of kids who seemed as though they were well aware of the laws. It took a while before they realized that I was OCing and they started having a conversation about how they definetly felt 'alarmed,' another said he didnt understand why anyone would need to bring it in there. This is the point where I chimed in with the trusty 'you know it is legal in washington state right?' He acknowledged that he was aware of its legality but didnt understand why i needed to bring it in. This brought up the automated response 'You never know when you might need one, its like a seat belt, do you need it everytime you use it?' To this he replied 'ive heard that arguement before, and i am not going to get into an arguement.' They had their own little conversation about how open minded they were and how evil I am... whatever, freedoms loss. I'm sorry I missed it. It is Future Cougar Day so this weekend would be particularly interesting to OC around these parts. Let me know the next group event, I'd like to meet you all... |
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Doubletap... Sorry Last edited on Sat Sep 20th, 2008 10:25 pm by kenny31 |
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Interesting. I've never seen you guys OCing around town. I'll have to pay more attention. Last edited on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 10:21 pm by Palouse |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Just thought I would float the idea of having a weekly meal at Taco Time or someplace where we can just show up at a specific time and others might choose to show up as well. Obviously we can still continue to have meets other places and determine those times later, it just seems as though we tend to forget about getting together for a meal and tend to throw it together somewhat last minute. Because we have such a large ratio of OC'ers in Pullman, or at least those who are interested, I would assume that we would have at least two people show up any given week. I have a feeling that Dave might be up for this seeing as how he loves Taco Time; just wanted to address the idea with everyone else. I don't really care on the days that we meet so lets start floating some ideas on times and whatnot if we do decide that this might be a good idea. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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I would suggest Tuesday or Thursday at 1:30 =] |
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I'm up for weekly meetings at Taco Time. One of the managers there knows me because I go in there so much, and understands that OC is legal |
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computerizedfish wrote: I would suggest Tuesday or Thursday at 1:30 =] I cant do those times tues and thurs are pretty much out for me unless its after 430 cause i am solid between 8 and 4 once i start going to judo again... by the way im just gonna drop and show up on occasion. any time after 11 on mwf works best for me |
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Any time around lunch means that I'd have to come from the school and as such, I wouldn't be OCing. |
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Wow, this idea sort of fell through huh? I think that I will just end up heading on down to taco time at somepoint around noon on friday. If things change I will let everyone know that this I won't be there. I still encourage as many people to show up regardless. Also there is going to be an OC meet up in spokane on the 18th and if anyone was interested I was thinking that I might need to make the trip up for it, perhaps we could even do an OC breakfast on the 18th before the ride up. Just food for thought (no pun intended). |
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I have been too busy during lunch time to even think about going off campus. I was thinking we all might want to have a dinner sometime soon and discuss the proposed U-District. It is looking like the bill could have firearms banned at residences in the new district boundaries. The website also has a map of part of the WSU boundaries and we were discussing that at the last meeting I went to. I have to do research on this whole thing for my lame english class and I was thinking that maybe we could file some sort of state FOIA since the university is a public, government funded institution. I havent looking into this that much, just today during my english class and I posted the links I found below. Tell me what you guys think. This could turn out to be important for us and future students. U-District Bill http://udistrict.wsu.edu/utils/File.aspx?fileid=3918 U-District Website http://udistrict.wsu.edu/ Washington Public Records Act http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=42.56 WSU WAC Code http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=504 |
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Shy_Panda wrote: I think that I will just end up heading on down to taco time at somepoint around noon on friday. I'll be there. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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So, did anyone show up for the lunch? I didnt get done with school until 8pm =[ |
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not so much, as it turns out i had other stuff that i needed to do up on campus at that time so i was a no show and i doubt that anyone else showed either. we really need to start getting things a little bit more coordinated down here. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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I know what you mean, I am pretty much only available for dinners (except tues and thursday) or on the weekend |
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Alright, here it is. We need to have another meet, I am thinking that we should do it over in moscow (roommate just got his holster in) if not here because wait for it... Dad's weekend! November 15 we should have an OC meet at either Quizno's, Taco Time or Mongolian fire. All of them are friendly towards us and they are in areas where there are people who would see us. Lets hear what you all have to say about it. |
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Shy_Panda wrote: Alright, here it is. We need to have another meet, I am thinking that we should do it over in moscow (roommate just got his holster in) if not here because wait for it... Dad's weekend! November 15 we should have an OC meet at either Quizno's, Taco Time or Mongolian fire. All of them are friendly towards us and they are in areas where there are people who would see us. Lets hear what you all have to say about it. As I echoed in the other thread, I'm ready for an open-carry meet in Pullman. Dad's weekend in a downtown location like Quizno's sounds absolutely perfect for great exposure. Having another meet in Idaho (perhaps even on the same day or weekend) would be a great idea and I'd attend there as well. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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I would be up for it. Dont know if I would be carrying because I would be going to the football game and giving a tour of the campus. |
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I am game for WSU Dad's Weekend. That is Idaho vs. BSU weekend over here. Let me know when and where to meet. |
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Vandal wrote: I am game for WSU Dad's Weekend. That is Idaho vs. BSU weekend over here. Let me know when and where to meet.So, we are both going to lose that weekend |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Uhh yeah, pretty much. |
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Vandal wrote: Uhh yeah, pretty much.At least you are from Bosie too. You can play it off either way. |
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It's strange for me. I grew up with BSU season tix when they sucked, now I go to Idaho and hate Donkey State with a passion. I think I hate the fans more. I know they won't win, but Go Vandals! The school motto is "Win or Lose There's Always Booze!" |
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Just came down the tube, I can't make dad's weekend... DARN IT!!! I had so many great plans and then boom, gotta be over on the west side for some stupid BS crap that I never wanted to do in the first place.  Well hope that at least you guys have a good time this weekend, cause it doesn't appear that I will be able to. So we should start planning the NEXT meet, hopefully I won't get shafted into non-attendance for that one. |
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Anybody in Pullman up for an OC meal this weekend? |
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Dave The Welder wrote: Anybody in Pullman up for an OC meal this weekend? Perhaps Friday the 19th or Saturday the 20th after finals are over with? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I am up for any day this week as long as I get 24 hours notice. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I think that we're looking at this Friday for lunch or dinner. Who all is interested? |
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Dave The Welder wrote: I think that we're looking at this Friday for lunch or dinner. Who all is interested? Anytime Friday after 11am works for me. I have no preference on lunch or dinner. Count me in. I'll see if I can talk another friend into showing up. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Assuming I am not frozen to the sidewalk, I'm in. |
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I should be able to make it for a dinner-ish meal. I have to run some friends up to the spokane airport, but if the roads are sketchy then they have alternate transpo so as long as i get enough time i will come back down and finally be able to meet some of the newer members... who are more active than me recently (Sad_Panda face). |
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So Vandal and I are the only ones relatively local. (Panda would be, but he's playing taxi up to KGEG and then coming back down.) So with the roads between Dave's location and Spokane (for panda's taxi service) being as bad as they are now and as bad as they probably will be tomorrow, are you both going to be able to make a Friday dinner? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Lunch actually works a bit better for me. I have some friends commissioning as officers in the Air Force Friday and the ceremony kicks off at 5pm. is lunch a possibility? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Here's the game plan: Lunch today at 1 downtown Pullman at Taco Time....Bring your gun. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Myself and my XD will be there. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: Here's the game plan: Lunch today at 1 downtown Pullman at Taco Time....Bring your gun. Dave, if this were taken out of context from the fact that this is an OC forum, do you realize how bad this sounds? |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Here's the game plan: Lunch today at 1 downtown Pullman at Taco Time....Bring your gun. I'll be there at 1pm. Now let me scuttle off to my last final. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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shad0wfax wrote: I'll be there at 1pm. Now let me scuttle off to my last final.Holy cow! You're still doing finals over there?! The UW's finals week ended last Friday. We start back up on the 5th. |
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just_a_car wrote: shad0wfax wrote:I'll be there at 1pm. Now let me scuttle off to my last final.Holy cow! You're still doing finals over there?! Semester system. WSU and UI start up on the 14th, I believe |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Yup, it is the 14th. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: Here's the game plan: Lunch today at 1 downtown Pullman at Taco Time....Bring your gun. So how'd it go? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I wasn't there, I had some things come up I had to get done so I can graduate in May, kind of important. I did go to the Old Post Office for dinner and had my XD with me and none of the wait staff said anything to me. |
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Palouse wrote: Dave The Welder wrote:Here's the game plan: Lunch today at 1 downtown Pullman at Taco Time....Bring your gun. It was just Dave and I along with one of my friends (who has no firearms... yet). It went well. A customer apparently pointed out to one of the employees that we were armed and asked her if we were local law enforcement or something. She stopped by at our table and asked us what our profession was. (Coincidentally we share the same profession, but it's not law-enforcement.) She apparently let the customer know that we were just normal folks with weapons and he was apparently rather surprised that we were armed. Unfortunately, he left and we didn't have a chance to talk to him directly or pass out any of the tri-fold fliers. I can't be certain exactly how the conversation between the employee and the customer went. I'm just going off of what she mentioned to us after the customer left. She was very pleasant and friendly, and she apparently knows Dave as a regular customer as well. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Alright, hear me out... Lunch... Pullman/Moscow... first week of the new semester. I feel so left out, admittedly I haven't kept up on the forum like I once did, but I am in need of come OC-ness once the new semester starts up to reaffirm freedom (or at least the illusion thereof). If anyone plans on being in Pullman/Moscow for the first week of the new semester we need to meet up. Anytime MWF works for me all semester seeing as how I only have classes 2 days a week, so feel free to PM me, or get ahold of me through Dave until we actually meet. Any rate, who ever is up for it lets figure out the local. I am always up for Mongolian Fire, Quiznos, Taco Time, Tokyo Seoul because they have been very friendly to us in the past. Any new localcations are welcome as well. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Alright, hear me out... Lunch... Pullman/Moscow... first week of the new semester. Mo/We/Fr lunches aren't really possible for me since I'm in class from 10am to 3pm on those days and I'm going to be leaving town Friday evening. (Tu/Th is even worse for me. I'm in class until a bit after 5pm on those days.) Perhaps a rather late lunch (after 3:30pm) or a dinner on Monday or Wednesday would be ok? |
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I am down, provided I don't get voluntold to go somewhere. |
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So we thinking something like 5 or 6 at Quizno's or someplace like that for a nice dinner on Monday? Maybe short notice, but it might be a good opportunity to stimulate the brain after a day of nothing but getting that handy syllabus. |
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computerizedfish Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: So we thinking something like 5 or 6 at Quizno's or someplace like that for a nice dinner on Monday? Maybe short notice, but it might be a good opportunity to stimulate the brain after a day of nothing but getting that handy syllabus. I would probably be able to attend at that time. I will probably just walk down from Sloan/Dana/EME. |
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at which point I shot them both I almost peed at this point in the story.... |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: So we thinking something like 5 or 6 at Quizno's or someplace like that for a nice dinner on Monday? Maybe short notice, but it might be a good opportunity to stimulate the brain after a day of nothing but getting that handy syllabus. 5 or 6pm on Monday works great for me. It's not too short of notice; Pullman's a tiny town. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Bumping this since it's today. I'll be phoning the folks I have numbers for to confirm. |
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Count me in. Let's do it at 6 instead of 5, if that's alright. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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done 6 at quiznos |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: done 6 at quiznos That works for me. |
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See you there |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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RIP Taco Time... Came from a coworker... "The downtown Pullman Taco Time that’s been there longer than anyone can remember has closed. My son reported for work today to find a bunch of people he didn’t know dismantling everything. They told him that everyone was let go and the place was closed for good." One less OC friendly place in Pullman... Shady deal from the sounds of it. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: RIP Taco Time... Sad news. I liked Taco Time. I wonder why they up and closed with no warning? We still have Quiznos and DQ for being very OC friendly. I've OC'd in Subway and Baskin-Robbins before, but they sure do give me some odd looks in there. Subway gets sooooo much college frat-boy traffic I'm nervous about OC'ing in there unless I can put my back to a wall. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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It's been almost a month since our last OC lunch here in Pullman. We've got one new addition to the Pullman area OC crowd who would like to attend an OC lunch on a weekend day and I'm working on another as well. So how about it? A Pullman (or Moscow ID) OC lunch on Feb 7 or Feb 14? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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The pullman taco time closed because a college aged male had shards of glass put into his food and it nearly killed him. An AFROTC Captain found him vomiting in tears in the parking lot and called it in. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Can't do the 7th, but would still love to get together. Holy Crap! I was wondering why it shut down all of a sudden. Pretty scary stuff, but I guess that we were pretty much safe, especially with as often as Dave went in there. |
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Vandal wrote: The pullman taco time closed because a college aged male had shards of glass put into his food and it nearly killed him. An AFROTC Captain found him vomiting in tears in the parking lot and called it in.I was there eating that day at that time. I thought that he was a drunk laying there in the street. |
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OC Lunch in Pullman: Quizno's downtown @ 12:00 noon. Saturday 2/7/09 Myself (shad0wfax), thefirststrike, Dave The Welder, tanman and JB are all planning to attend. We might get some more folks to show up too. I'll bring a few WA gun rights pamphlets with me in case thefirststrike or JB need any. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Gah... I'm giving a presentation at the CUE at noon. One of these days I will meet up with you guys. Have a good lunch. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: Gah... I'm giving a presentation at the CUE at noon. One of these days I will meet up with you guys. Have a good lunch. Yeah, it'd be a little hard to have an OC meet on campus unless we all wanted to get expulsions from the U and maybe criminal trespass charges filed as well. Administrative Code sucks!How long is your presentation? |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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I have to be there from 11:30 to 3pm. I'll just have to catch you guys another time...No worries, there might be a lot of families in town for the Vibes event. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Anyone up for an impromptu OC meet? I have kinda been hankering for some Mongolian Fire and was curious if anyone would like to make it a meet. Hit me up if anyone is interested within the next day or two (WED/THUR). |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Anyone up for an impromptu OC meet? I have kinda been hankering for some Mongolian Fire and was curious if anyone would like to make it a meet. Sure, Wed or Thurs for dinner would work. My schedule won't allow lunch. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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I am sure that nobody will read this prior to dinner, but Mongolian Fire at 7-730 seems to be the decided time. See some of you in a few, if by some freak chance others are up for coming feel free. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Yeah, two of us are coming. EDIT: the third isn't coming, but you know that. Last edited on Thu Feb 19th, 2009 03:03 am by shad0wfax |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I should really check this more. I was in Pullman tonight at Subway. I am going to Basillio's tomorrow night, does anyone know if they are OC friendly or want to come down? |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: I should really check this more. I was in Pullman tonight at Subway. I have no idea if they're friendly towards OC or not. There's only one way to find out! I doubt I read this in time to catch you before you are out and about. On the off chance you do read this before you leave, reply, and I might join you. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Myself and two of my buddies will be there at 530pm. I'll be rocking a dark blue LiveStrong t-shirt with a high and tight haircut and my Kimber. I have CC'd in the door then took off my jacket and OCd while inside and didn't have any confrontation from any employees. I think I OCd there once and didn't have anything happen. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: Myself and two of my buddies will be there at 530pm. I'll be rocking a dark blue LiveStrong t-shirt with a high and tight haircut and my Kimber. Alright, I'll drop by at 5:30 and see if any of the other guys from Pullman OC want to show up too. One of the regulars is out of town though. EDIT: short hair, black jeans, plain black t-shirt, and possibly a black and grey flannel today. USP in modified Serpa. Hrmmm, black seems to be a theme today for me. Last edited on Fri Feb 20th, 2009 12:13 am by shad0wfax |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Cool, we'll see ya there. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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I don't think that fate looks kindly upon the prospect of me attending one of these events. Maybe we should set up a phone tree. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: Myself and two of my buddies will be there at 530pm. I'll be rocking a dark blue LiveStrong t-shirt with a high and tight haircut and my Kimber.So I don't know if you were around the Dairy Queen tonight (thur) but my roommate drove past and saw a guy OCin' with cadets? At first I was under the impression that it was a unicorn, but remembered that I still haven't met you. I take it you are blonde though from the description. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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That was me. I was a ROTC cadet for 4 years but am out now so I go there with the cadets Thursdays to hang out with my friends I only get to see once a week now. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Dinner, Thursday, MOSCOW, Location TBD, Time TBD Come up with ideas or else we are going to have to try that smokey mt pizza place around 7 ish? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I could be down for Smokey Mtn. I have OCd there twice before with no real issues. There is one guy (employee) who kept staring me down the entire time I was in there. I just waved at him and nothing happened. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I'm in for an OC dinner in Moscow. Just name the when and where |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Well you guys asked for it. Thursday 700pm (1900) at the Smokey Mt. Grill Pizza Whatnot Type Place in Moscow. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Well, gents. It has been a while since we dined on the wonderful cuisine of the Moscow/Pullman area and I am of the opinion it's time to do it again now that the sun is out. I am thinking sometime this weekend so that we can get one of the guys from Moscow to come out with us who isn't able to during the week. I am open to ideas so let's hear what we can come up with. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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We're getting quite a few OCers in Pullman now. My vote is for dinner on Friday evening. Let's do this one in Pullman since the last one was in Moscow. Mongolian Fire on Stadium Way alright for everybody? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I am going to cast a vote for Sunday evening if at all possible. I found out today that I have to drive to Boise on Friday to attempt to get my one-class transcript from the morons at Boise State. They cannot get my old online account to work so I have to drive my ass down there to pick it up in person. Grrrrrr. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: We're getting quite a few OCers in Pullman now. My vote is for dinner on Friday evening. Let's do this one in Pullman since the last one was in Moscow. Mongolian Fire on Stadium Way alright for everybody? Dave, As vandal said, trying for the weekend so one of the guys from Moscow who can't do week nights can come. That guy would be me... .So I am with vandal, Sunday evening works for me, or Saturday, but Friday is no good because I work second shift and can't do dinner. Would you reconsider? BTW, we met at that lunch in Pullman a while back (several months ago at Quiznos), I was one of two new guys there too, JB being the other. So maybe I will actually know a few of you guys, but I haven't met vandal or some of the other Moscow crowd. Dave (also) |
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Lunch on Sunday works for me. Sunday evening is a no-go |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I can do sunday lunch, say around 1pm-ish so i can get back from Boise? |
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Well, I can do either, so I will leave it up to you guys to decide when, OK? My schedule is a little more free than all of yours. Mongolian Fire sounds fine to me BTW. Someone just let me know when you get it all figured out OK? PM me or leave a post here and I will get a notice in my email. Dave |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Sunday is the only day I can do it as well. I promised Friday and Saturday to the lady. So 1 PM lunch at Mongolian fire? |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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After nearly a year, I think I may be able to make this one! I hope you guys don't mind if I stop by... |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: After nearly a year, I think I may be able to make this one! I hope you guys don't mind if I stop by...The more, the merrier! I'm calling everybody tonight, but Sunday afternoon is looking good. |
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So it looks like the semi-official plan is Mongolian Fire, Sunday the 26th at around 1pm. Bring friends and significant others. The more the merrier! Now to see if my g/f isn't going to be life guarding then. Last edited on Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 04:29 am by Vandal |
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Hey guys, I am rather new to this forum and I would be interested in meeting up with you guys on Sunday. I met Vandal at the Moscow Tea Party and that got me interested in OC again. I have been OCing around Moscow for almost 2 years on and off(I did it a lot before I got my CC permit but since then not so much). |
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Louie86 wrote: Hey guys, I am rather new to this forum and I would be interested in meeting up with you guys on Sunday. I met Vandal at the Moscow Tea Party and that got me interested in OC again. I have been OCing around Moscow for almost 2 years on and off(I did it a lot before I got my CC permit but since then not so much).We'd be glad to have you. Just remember that if you don't have a Washington CPL, you can't carry a loaded pistol in the vehicle. |
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Thanks for the heads-up, I do have a Washington CPL, Idaho CWP, and waiting for my Utah one to come in the mail. So I do believe I am about as covered as you can get up here. I would like to know if there are any other Laws or city ordinances or anything similar that I should know about? I have OC'd in Moscow but never in WA. Last edited on Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 06:32 am by Louie86 |
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My roommate and I might be able to make it. School is keeping us pretty busy, but it might happen. This would be my first Pullman OC meet! |
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Hey guys (and gals?). I've been OC in Pullman for about a month and a half now, ran into a couple people shortly after i got my new 9mm. Interested in possibly going to lunch or whatever, just let me know what the official day is and when and where! (if that is cool with everyone) |
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So Sunday afternoon, around 1pm-ish at Mongolian Fire. Now, can someone tell me where that is please? I am not very familiar with where anything in Pullman is except the basics. Thanks See you all there Dave |
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Mongolian Fire is just up Stadium Way less tha a block from dissmores. If you know where mcdonalds is on the north end of town it is across the street and in the same lot as blockbuster, starbucks, little ceasars. I believe it is an old burger king. |
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This is looking like we're going to have the largest OC meet to date. I called two other OCers last night and they're both going to be coming. I never would have guessed when I first joined the board (and was the only regular OCer this side of the mountains) that Pullman would become such a hub for our 2nd ammendment rights. I'm looking forward to meeting all of you guys on Sunday. If anybody is worried about getting lost, PM me and I'll send you my phone number. In other news, I heard from a friend that he say a large man OCing a silver gun by the bus stop down the road from Merman St the other day. Was this any of you? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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It wasn't me, but I will be at Dairy Queen tonight around 9pm. |
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Vandal wrote: It wasn't me, but I will be at Dairy Queen tonight around 9pm.I just got back from an OC lunch at Arby's. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town giving a talk in the Tri-Cities tonight or I'd join you. |
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Dave The Welder wrote:In other news, I heard from a friend that he say a large man OCing a silver gun by the bus stop down the road from Merman St the other day. Was this any of you?Probably me with my stainless PT1911. |
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FunkTrooper wrote: Dave The Welder wrote:Were you waiting for the bus? If so, how'd riding the Pullman transit go?In other news, I heard from a friend that he say a large man OCing a silver gun by the bus stop down the road from Merman St the other day. Was this any of you?Probably me with my stainless PT1911. Also, I have one more confirmed on my end which brings my party of OCers coming on Sunday to 4. I'd like to see us hit ten OCers on Sunday for lunch. |
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If you count me, we'll be at least at 5, who else is in? |
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Put me down for 50% sure. If I do make it I will probably bring two friends. Neither are members here, but one of them is a recent convert from apathy to pro-gun (just got his CPL, no gun yet). The other is very pro-gun, but as far as I know has never OCed anywhere. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: Yeah I OC on the bus all the time so far only one driver thought that my gun "wasn't allowed". I talked to a UPD officer and if you need to connect to another route and you have to wait at a campus stop its totally fine. In fact I was told I could carry on campus as long as I was checking my gun into UPD (haven't tried it yet out of fear of being expelled).Were you waiting for the bus? If so, how'd riding the Pullman transit go? I'm defiantly in so that makes 6. Last edited on Fri Apr 24th, 2009 08:58 pm by FunkTrooper |
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drallen85 wrote: Mongolian Fire is just up Stadium Way less tha a block from dissmores. If you know where mcdonalds is on the north end of town it is across the street and in the same lot as blockbuster, starbucks, little ceasars. I believe it is an old burger king. Thanks. I know where that is, and if I am right then yes, it is an old BK. Used to be the only one we had in either town except for the one in the cafeteria in UofI. Now we don't have a BK at all, too bad I always liked them better than McD's. Anyway, see you all there. Dave |
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I will be there for sure. I know 3-4 more that may come, I haven't heard back from them yet. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Is someone bringing a camera? I lost mine in a recent fishing trip but with so many people coming, it may be a good idea... |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: Is someone bringing a camera? I lost mine in a recent fishing tripI'll bring my camera along. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Just so we all have it right the place is Mongolian Fire the time is about 1pm. |
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vandal, Don't know who else from Moscow is coming besides you and me. JB, who I met at a Pullman lunch a few months ago, you may not know him or maybe you do, might come. He wants to know if anyone is thinking about carpooling. Dave |
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I am going to be going directly from Boise to Pullman tomorrow. Unfortunately carpooling is not going to happen as my timing is based on the weather over 300 miles and how quickly I make the drive. I was able to do Moscow to Boise Friday morning in 4 hours and 45 minutes, but I left at 6am to do so. If was was in town I would be more than happy to have people in my car. |
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Vandal wrote: I am going to be going directly from Boise to Pullman tomorrow. Unfortunately carpooling is not going to happen as my timing is based on the weather over 300 miles and how quickly I make the drive. I was able to do Moscow to Boise Friday morning in 4 hours and 45 minutes, but I left at 6am to do so. OK, NP, he and I will probably ride together. See you there. Dave |
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As I understand it from when I met members of the Pullman group months ago, they are quite receptive to it. There are several restaurants they have already "tested", Mongolian and Quizno's being at least 2 of them. Shouldn't be any problem, unless it comes from a hysterical patron. Dave |
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drallen85 wrote: So has anyone actually OC'd at Mongolian Fire? How receptive are they?We OC large groups in there from time to time and they're used to us. Plus, we can get coffee at starbucks next door. |
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I just realized that if I'm counting right, we're going to have 12 OCers there!!!Here's hoping for the best. See you all in an hour |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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That was fun guys, thanks. Hope those of you who went shooting don't get hit with rain - looks like it could happen. As it turns out, I ran into 2 of my co-workers (big big big liberals) on my walk home. Monday morning might be interesting... Did anyone hear that guy ask me if we were cops? I don't think I handled it that well, I said "no, we're not police". He then asked if there was some sort of gun show going on and I said that we were just having lunch. I'm a quiet guy anyhow so I'm probably not the best on the outreach front. But then again, I guess the goal is to make OC appear to be normal. The guy seemed more interested than upset or anything. I'll be here all summer so if we want to meet again, let me know. |
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kenny31 wrote: Did anyone hear that guy ask me if we were cops? I don't think I handled it that well, I said "no, we're not police". He then asked if there was some sort of gun show going on and I said that we were just having lunch. I'm a quiet guy anyhow so I'm probably not the best on the outreach front. But then again, I guess the goal is to make OC appear to be normal. The guy seemed more interested than upset or anything. That's a perfectly acceptable way to respond. Only thing more you could have done would have been to have a WA Gun Rights pamphlet to hand him. There are those of us that like to sit and chat about it with people and there are those that like to keep to themselves. Seeing as how you say you're more the latter, I'd say you covered the situation pretty well. Like you said, you were showing the gentleman that open carry (and carry in general) is not only legal, but normal. |
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Great meet for us. I am happy to say that my first OC meet was simply an awesome experience. And no we didn't get hiy the rain at the range just a little on the drive back to Pullman. Who has the pictures? Pm me I would like the full resolution images. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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I wanted to make it, but it wasn't in the cards. I'll be around this summer though if anyone wants to do another one. |
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drallen85 Regular Member
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After today's experience I'm def up for another one. We had a huge turnout for it. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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It was great, thanks for giving me a ride to the range and back drallen85. |
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drallen85 Regular Member
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FunkTrooper wrote: It was great, thanks for giving me a ride to the range and back drallen85. My pleasure, it was good times Last edited on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 03:11 pm by drallen85 |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Yesterday was one heckuva good time. The turn out was amazing for the dinner and range trip afterwards. I have a random question now, I am going to be in Kreugal Park this afternoon and probably CCing since I will be there with a bunch of ROTC types for a retirement party. Are there any city codes that would try to keep me from carrying in the park? I know they should be preempted by state law but am curious so I can quote things should I decide to OC. |
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joeroket Regular Member
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The only thing you need to know is RCW 9.41.290 which restricts municipalities from enacting and enforcing code that restricts the possession of firearms. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Wonderful, thanks for the help Joe. You and the other RCW experts on this board have been lifesavers for many. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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joeroket wrote: The only thing you need to know is RCW 9.41.290 which restricts municipalities from enacting and enforcing code that restricts the possession of firearms. That doesn't stop Spokane from kicking you out of city parks based on SMC 10.10.01 or something like that... it has been a while since I was booted from Riverfront after explaining the law to the police and being accused of being a skin head. Just something to keep in mind. In case you were wondering nothing happened, they just had me take my gun to the car... and follow me around once I got back to the park. Also I will try to have those pic's up later. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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ShyPanda, you're at post 333! Careful, you're now half way there! |
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joeroket Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote:joeroket wrote:The only thing you need to know is RCW 9.41.290 which restricts municipalities from enacting and enforcing code that restricts the possession of firearms. You really should have refused to leave as their code has been repealed by the State and therefore does not exist. |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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joeroket wrote:
Yeah, I wasn't willing to go to jail... they were getting somewhat aggressive in their mannerisms. Also I listed off the RCW's as well as case law such as State v. Cassad which they dismissed quickly. It was like trying to convince a blind man that the object in their hand is not actually red, that it is in fact blue... just isn't going to happen when they "know what they know." |
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Shy_Panda Regular Member
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Hopefully this works... I'm somewhat computer illiterate. Attached Image (viewed 114 times): |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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One dozen OCers plus a friend to take the picture. Now that's a sight for little Pullman. Thanks to everyone who made it over from Moscow for the lunch. We would have taken one more outside but by the time we finished with lunch people had to get going. |
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just_a_car Regular Member
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Well, I recognize Dave and Steelcoreap in that photo from last year's shoot over there... man, I hope to get to meet everyone else there at the yet-to-be-scheduled Tri-State Meet. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Holy smokes JAG, who did you get over 2500 posts? Did you catch the one gun visible in the photo? It's hard to see but it's there. Kind of like a "Where's Waldo" picture, but better |
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drallen85 Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Holy smokes JAG, who did you get over 2500 posts? Did you catch the one gun visible in the photo? It's hard to see but it's there. Kind of like a "Where's Waldo" picture, but better Haha, I found it, man it is barely visible. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Off-topic a little bit here but does anyone have any experience with OC and Dabco Property management? I'm a little hesitant to OC out of my apt building if I'm walking downtown or something, I always find myself concealing if I have to walk by their office. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I would think you'd be alright. Unless there is something in the housing contract that specifically prohibits firearms on the property and I highly doubt there is. |
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tanman Regular Member
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As of Jan 08 Dabco didn't have any type of firearm prohibitions. I asked when I was looking at moving in there, for obvious reasons... |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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To everyone at the Pullman OC get-together, don't forget to PM me about shooting this summer with me. |
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thefirststrike Regular Member
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Kewl. Look forward to it. And is the person who took the photos before we left the restaurant going to post them on the thread? That would be cool. At the very least I would like to get a copy somehow. How could we do that? Dave |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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thefirststrike wrote: And is the person who took the photos before we left the restaurant going to post them on the thread? That would be cool. At the very least I would like to get a copy somehow. How could we do that?Look back a page; they've already been posted. PM ShyPanda is you want a copy of them. |
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thefirststrike Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: thefirststrike wrote:And is the person who took the photos before we left the restaurant going to post them on the thread? That would be cool. At the very least I would like to get a copy somehow. How could we do that?Look back a page; they've already been posted. PM ShyPanda is you want a copy of them. Thanks. I took a brief look but didn't see them before. I will look again. Dave |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Can anyone recommend a NRA handgun training program near Pullman? I need one for my Oregon CHL... Cheap would be preferred. T |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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I also know that Sure Shot in Moscow holds classes, there is actually one this weekend for $65. You can go to this NRA site and search your area for more. http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp Not all are posted and checking with the Lewiston pistol club and Diamondback gun range is probably your best bet. The Lewiston pistol club is usually the cheapest, with Diamondback being the most expensive. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Shy_Panda wrote: Hopefully this works... I'm somewhat computer illiterate. If anyone's curious, the larger looking guy on the left 2nd from the end wearing the black hoodie and the tan US flag baseball cap is me. P.S. If you look closely there are actually two pistols visible in the picture. You can see a part of mine, as well as the more obvious one on the gentleman to my right. Last edited on Sun May 17th, 2009 07:19 am by shad0wfax |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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shad0wfax wrote: P.S. If you look closely there are actually two pistols visible in the picture. You can see a part of mine, as well as the more obvious one on the gentleman to my right. Wow, I would have missed that had you not said something. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Dave, I saw you and and Tanman? (I think it's his handle) downtown picking up Pizza yesterday. I was going to come out and say hello, but you guys left by the time I got my stupid hair cut. That's a sweet convertible, I must say... It made my truck look like crap parked next to it. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: Dave,That was us. The third guy with us was another OCer from the Tri-Cities (trainer62) who was up in Pullman with me for the day. Tanman was the only guy OCing though. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Random question: Can you carry in your car while driving through campus without running afoul of school policy? Are the roads considered city property? |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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I actually called WSUPD on Saturday to ask this question. I spoke with Officer Olmstead who said that as long as we were carrying within the law, we would be fine on the road and/or sidewalk. My question was regarding moving through the area, obviously stopping off at the CUB or something would be a different story. |
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Dr. Fresh Regular Member
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Thanks. I figured as much, because it's very difficult to avoid campus in a town like this one. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: I actually called WSUPD on Saturday to ask this question. I spoke with Officer Olmstead who said that as long as we were carrying within the law, we would be fine on the road and/or sidewalk. My question was regarding moving through the area, obviously stopping off at the CUB or something would be a different story. So in theory I can open carry on the side walk through campus to a destination that is not inside campus? |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Keep in mind that this came from one officer and from my own discussion with him. I wouldn't recommend drawing any conclusions from my conversation with him without checking for yourself. YMMV. My question to him was if I could get in trouble CCing through Stadium Way or walking down stadium way through campus. While it shouldn't make a difference, OCing might change the situation - atleast when walking is concerned. Thanks, Ken |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Well I called and asked the woman who answered (officer Stevens I think) and she said it was fine open carrying on the bus as it goes through campus and even if I have to get out and wait on campus property for a transfer. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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I have been going through the police logs recently and there seems to be a spike in burglaries a few have them have happened a short walk from where I live. There was also a report yesterday of a stolen fire arm. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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That tends to happen when school is out and the students are gone. Those who are left or the local kids get bored and break into things. Keep the dead bolts locked and your guns locked up, then hope for the best while you are gone. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Yeah I guess it's that time of year again. |
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drallen85 Regular Member
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that is why I relocated my firearms, and my carry firearm goes with me... |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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I was OCing around the Palouse mall today and I realized that they don't actually have security guards, even so no one seemed to care except a redneck looking guy giving me the bug eye. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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So I figure we should probably have a get together after Pullman PDs show of force the other day. I figure we should probably have it here in Pullman but if enough people want to have in Moscow that's okay too. I'm pretty much available all this weekend. |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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I must be slightly out of the loop at the moment, what show of force? I probably wont be able to attend unless it is after the 14th of July, but I have a few friends that would probably be interested, they aren't members here but they do OC on occasion. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Louie86 wrote: I must be slightly out of the loop at the moment, what show of force?FunkTrooper had a run in with the local PPD. He posted it under it's own post though (another good reason to keep all Pullman posts in one location ). Basically, three PPD with Tacti-Cool gear and M-4s responded to a male carrying a drink from Starbucks in one hand and a few movies in the other...Oh, and he did have a gun in a holster on his hip. He stood his ground though, and was polite but firm in his rights. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Is anyone in Pullman going to be OCing for the 4th in the park? I thought we could maybe have an informal meet-up? I'm not sure who all is still here for the summer. Given recent events, it might be a good idea. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I will be back in the Moscow/Pullman area on the 11th. Anyone want to havea meet sometime around then? |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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I'd be up for something on the 4th Kenny which park? |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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It looks like it's in Sunnyside Park. I think we may attract some sort of attention. Let me check with the S/O to make sure I'm free... |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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I doubt we would get a lot of attention either way I'll be sure to set up my Ipod to voice record before I go to an event. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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I Graduated and I'm no longer in Pullman! As far as open-carry on the WSU campus goes, it gets a bit convoluted. If you're not a student there's very little they can do to you other than ask you to leave the campus (trespass). If you attempt to get into one of the football games carrying, you will not be admitted. If you're open-carrying I would absolutely expect a campus PD response in almost any situation, except perhaps on one of the bus routes that loops through the campus. There are provisions for students to carry (even openly, which is not expressly forbidden) on campus in the WAC under some very limited terms: traveling from off-campus directly to the WSU PD gun-check and traveling from the WSU PD gun-check directly off campus is permitted. You'll see in the police log "RP checking firearm at gun-check" or something to that effect. I have open carried a battle-rifle on a sling under those specific WAC's for the purpose of checking it in at the gun-check before. It was absolutely in accordance with the campus policy and the WAC's but I got an awful lot of strange looks from students and several cell-phone calls were placed. Anyhow, I'm a bit surprised at the M4 tacticool response to OC at Blockbuster video. However, given the close proximity to that coffee shop I refuse to name, I can just imagine some ultra-radical socialist neo-hippie calling the police and telling them that a rampant shooting spree was imminent simply because some young citizen had a holstered firearm... Last edited on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 02:02 am by shad0wfax |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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I almost got assaulted by two drunk guys tonight. I was heading back from campus commons north after checking out a brush fire the fire department just put out. I was walking back to my apartment through CCN backyards next to a fence when two drunk guys were coming down. I was keeping an eye on them, as we passed each other the one closest to me pushes me off to the side. The guy asks me "who the &*^% are you looking at" and I tell him to just chill and I notice that they're closing in on me backing me up to a wall. I had concealed my pistol by wearing the right part of my jacket over it with my jacket unzipped. At that moment I moved the side of my jacket revealing my pistol ready to draw but the moment I moved my jacket the one guy noticed the gun and yelled "oh %&*#". The two took off and I made it home. I decided not to call the Police as I don't want them to charge me for a bogus crime like brandishing especially since I didn't even get my hand to the grip. To shad0wfax It was no one from the cofee shop it was a gardener who called saying I was on my way headed towards dissmores. |
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GSXtasy Regular Member
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Hey guys. I am a WSU student and am psyched to hear that there are OCers in this town. I turned 21 at the end of last school year, and am just buying my first pistol so I am looking forward to OCing this upcoming year. So who all is still going to school here? Right now I am in Kennewick WA with the parents if any of you are from the TC as a lot of WSU kids are. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Welcome GSXtasy I am currently an undergrad at WSU and I'd be pleased to OC with you when you come to town. Do you already have a CPL? |
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p2a1x7 Regular Member
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shad0wfax wrote:There are provisions for students to carry (even openly, which is not expressly forbidden) on campus in the WAC under some very limited terms: traveling from off-campus directly to the WSU PD gun-check and traveling from the WSU PD gun-check directly off campus is permitted. You'll see in the police log "RP checking firearm at gun-check" or something to that effect. Do you know which WAC? I'd like to look at it to see what it says, as I would have no problems going to the gun-check every day. I'd just be nervous the first couple times as directly traveling to the WSU PD gun-check for me means walking through campus. Also I've noticed signs on the buses stating that it is against the rules to possess a firearm on the bus. And I'll be around for another year, but I won't be carrying until November when I can head to a gun store. (Unless someone wants to take a trip up to Spokane? ). I'd be up for anything if you guys are planning it. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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There shouldn't be signs on the buses as it would be preempted by state law. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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Well, someone called the cops on me this morning. I can't be sure but I'm almost positive that's what happened. I stopped by the Goodwill drop off joint by ShopKo/Safeway and dumped a bag of crap with the guy there. We bs'd for a while and then I hopped back into my truck. I changed CDs (Tool ftw) in my truck and I noticed that a silver acura was parked alongside the curb by the trailer and he pulled in, I could see him talking on the cell phone. He drove back behind my truck, I guess to get my license number. Anyway, I went to Ace - spent about 5 minutes picking up a couple nuts and bolts and when I left the Ace parking lot, a Pullman PD car pulled out of the SW lot and followed me. I drove back to college hill, headed home up Valley Rd, but he was tailing me and I didn't feel like having a conversation so I just headed over to Moscow to finish my errands. He tailed me to the airport before turning around in the gravel overview lot. I'll be curious to see if there's a police log tomorrow. Not a big deal, it was just weird. I white-nuckled all the way, not wanting to give him PC to stop me. |
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GSXtasy Regular Member
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Yep I have my CPL and carry an LCP but I wouldn't dare OC that. I am working on picking something up this week that is nice and shiny and would look good in a leather OWB. Just about three more weeks until Pullman is alive again! |
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Ice_Man Regular Member
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A buddy and I OC'd today, first @ Dairy Queen. I don't think anyone really noticed. The cashier asked if my clothes were hot in the weather. They were. Sheeple. My buddy and I are looking at getting some better training. It sounds like some of you guys are pretty good. Any recommendations? Any SF guys here? Peace. Iceman |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Ice_Man wrote: My buddy and I are looking at getting some better training. It sounds like some of you guys are pretty good. Any recommendations? Any SF guys here?Welcome aboard Iceman. Yes, there are SF guys here, but they generally don't advertise it. I'd suggest that you come to some of our meetings, and if you don't appear to be a "mall ninja" and really are looking for people to train with instead of trying to learn the latest "tacticicool rapid Ranger recon peep" clearing technique, then you could possibly find somebody. Look for our meetings in three weeks. |
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shad0wfax Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Ice_Man wrote:My buddy and I are looking at getting some better training. It sounds like some of you guys are pretty good. Any recommendations? Any SF guys here?Welcome aboard Iceman. Yes, there are SF guys here, but they generally don't advertise it. I'd suggest that you come to some of our meetings, and if you don't appear to be a "mall ninja" and really are looking for people to train with instead of trying to learn the latest "tacticicool rapid Ranger recon peep" clearing technique, then you could possibly find somebody. Look for our meetings in three weeks. Damn, my plans are foiled again. Dave's always raining on my tacticool parades. |
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Ice_Man Regular Member
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Dave The Welder wrote: Louie86 wrote:I must be slightly out of the loop at the moment, what show of force?FunkTrooper had a run in with the local PPD. He posted it under it's own post though (another good reason to keep all Pullman posts in one location PPD = Overripe Mall Cops the Iceman |
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Vandal Regular Member
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PPD=education through overzealous, oppressive enforcement intentionally targeting the collegiate population. MPD=education over enforcement, lots of cool cops that know how to work with the college kids. When is everyone heading back? OC lunch or dinner or Dairy Queen visit on the 23rd? Last edited on Fri Aug 7th, 2009 04:29 am by Vandal |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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I'm here now... been here all summer. OC lunch for sure... |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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I also have been here all summer and I am looking forward to either Lunch or Dinner. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Well, anyone down for meeting on the 23rd for lunch in Pullman? i will be up n the 19th but will be hanging around my fraternity for Rush week and moving my g/f into her new place. |
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Ice_Man wrote: A buddy and I OC'd today, first @ Dairy Queen. I don't think anyone really noticed. The cashier asked if my clothes were hot in the weather. They were. Sheeple. Ice_Man, we need OC together soon here in P-Town. I'm new to OC but can't wait to start turning some heads. When you find someone who can give some non-cop-crap type training let me know if you would. |
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Vandal wrote: PPD=education through overzealous, oppressive enforcement intentionally targeting the collegiate population. Vandal, we need to stop referring to ourselves as "college kids". You stopped being a kid when excersized your right to bear arms and preserve our constitution. Just my two cents... Semper Fi, POS_56 |
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You raise a good point. We stopped being kids the day we signed the line at the bottom of the enlistment paperwork. I say kids because I was mainly referring to the "underage" student population on both campuses. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I was in Pullman a few days back and OCed down to Dismores. I ended up having a nice talk with another customer who didn't know that OC was even legal and loved what we were doing. I handed him a pamphlet and told him to check out the site. On my way out, the bagger in my check-out isle told me that he's seen lots of us in there and supports what we're doing. I also handed him a pamphlet. All in all, a great trip. Pullman is becoming the OC mecca of Washington. I've been stopped several times now by average people who have seen us around town, know what OC is, and support what we're doing. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Is there anyone up for a meet this Friday lunch or dinner, or Saturday morning? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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I'm going to call an OC lunch in Pullman on Sunday in the downtown region. Let's plan on meeting up around noon by the pedestrian bridge and then walking to lunch. Anybody else up? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I'll be there. |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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Darn, I would love to be there but I have to work 10-3 on Sunday. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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FunkTrooper wrote: Where exactly is the pedestrian bridge your talking about?It's next to Taco Del Mar |
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spike89 wrote:G27 wrote: Oh Lord have mercy!! We can't have dirty magazines sold in our stores! Or ammo! OH NO!! lions tigers Bears OH NOOO!! I swear if it weren't for picture books over the years I would be in an asylum long before now. |
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I should be able to make it, but I won't be carrying. Last edited on Fri Aug 21st, 2009 12:31 am by p2a1x7 |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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I'll be there and I'll be packing. |
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kenny31 Regular Member
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I'll be there... Where are we going to eat? Quiznos? |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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kenny31 wrote: I'll be there... Where are we going to eat? Quiznos?The Mexican restaurant around the corner has a cheap lunch menu. I was thinking there. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Well I missed the meeting, sorry guys had trouble finding my way because I couldn't quite remember the shortcut through campus. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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FunkTrooper wrote: Well I missed the meeting, sorry guys had trouble finding my way because I couldn't quite remember the shortcut through campus.Are you sure you want to OC through Campus? Anyway, we missed you. I still want to hear your latest OC stories in person. |
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Dave The Welder wrote: FunkTrooper wrote:Well I missed the meeting, sorry guys had trouble finding my way because I couldn't quite remember the shortcut through campus.Are you sure you want to OC through Campus? Anyway, we missed you. I still want to hear your latest OC stories in person. A definite no on that one after the reactions from the sororities around my building I don't want to be surrounded and shot at by WSU PD or worse get expelled and ruin my chances for future education. I definitely won't get lost next time, so the next meet I'm totally good for. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Just PM one of us and I bet most on here would be willing to pick you up. |
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FunkTrooper wrote: Dave The Welder wrote:Are you sure you want to OC through Campus? Anyway, we missed you. I still want to hear your latest OC stories in person. Remember, as long as you're heading directly to or from the gun-check, you can OC on the WSU campus in full compliance of the WACs (and of course the RCW's). I used to check stuff in at the WSU gun check just so I could have the excuse of OC'ing it through (via the longest direct route possible) campus on my way off of campus. It's a real hoot. |
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I am new to the forum. I have lurked off and on over a few years but first time I gotten involved. I am an old hand at CCW and have recently start OC. So far so good. I had one guy question my man hood because I was carrying a gun in McDonald in Lewiston. I simply told him I was a crazed killer and as soon as my 4 year old was done playing in the play land and I had eaten my big mack, I was going to go on a 10 state killing spree and why was his he not carrying a gun to stop me? Then I ask if he had no respect for him self or his family that he could not take the time to carry a gun to defend him self in wore case scenario. I finished with “I have responsibility to return every day to my wife and son. I also have an obligation to my wife and son to see to their safety as much as humanly possible and I take every step I can to keep that obligation.” That shut him up and I had a nice lunch and a good day from that point on. To the meat of my post. I would like to meet other OC. I will be at the Latah county fair on Thursday September 17, from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm. I will also be filling in some more at other times but I am waiting to see what need to be covered before I will know for sure. So stop by and say hi. I will be wearing a black Alienware hat. Last edited on Thu Sep 10th, 2009 05:53 pm by bigwookiee |
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Vandal Regular Member
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OC'd in Dissmore's and at the Cenex gas station at Main and Stadium. No issues to report. One of the cashiers is actually a friend of mine and is an OC supporter. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Was it a OCDO member who was OCing in a IWB holster last night on the North bus last night around 2315hrs? It was a Stainless gun with black grips in a brown leather holster. Got on the bus on Military Hill and got off at B Street and Stadium? I only ask because whoever it was really creeped out my girlfriend who is used to me and others OCing and her good friend. If it was an OCDO member you might want to shave and not be purposely showing it off on the bus. Look and act like an adult and it will help our cause much more than just showing it off. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: Was it a OCDO member who was OCing in a IWB holster last night on the North bus last night around 2315hrs? It was a Stainless gun with black grips in a brown leather holster. Got on the bus on Military Hill and got off at B Street and Stadium? That was me, I'm pretty sure I was clean shaven. I was not showing off, I had been concealing all night and forget to pull my shirt over my gun when I took my sweatshirt off, I didn't want to pull it over on the bus around people because I was nervous it might freak them out. I was just minding my own business though didn't know I look creepy. |
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brianstone1985 Regular Member
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HAHAHAH now that is kind of funny. inadvertent creep calling... I'm sure to my wife anyone with a gun looks creepy and she see's me all the time. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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FunkTrooper, you creep! |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Well, it is getting kinda boring around here, at least for me, with OC. I have been OCing everywhere in Moscow and Pullman with no issues to date. I think it's time for a group meeting, perhaps sometime this weekend? Saturday afternoon is out as I will be yelling until I can't speak at the UI game. Anyone down for Friday evening? FunkTrooper, if you need a ride PM me and I can hook you up. Last edited on Tue Sep 29th, 2009 04:26 am by Vandal |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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I would be up for that as long as its after 5. I have a few friends who would probably also join in also. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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For me it would have to be after 5pm. I leave work late on Fridays. I am thinking 5:30 would work the best for dinner anyway. |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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Location? |
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Vandal Regular Member
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I am open to suggestions for a location. |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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San Miguel's Family Mexican Restaura 215 N Main St Moscow, ID 83843-2725 (208) 882-5303 I give up on making a link. Last edited on Tue Sep 29th, 2009 05:15 am by bigwookiee |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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Good choice, I have carried in there several times without a problem. |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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I would also like to add that it is Dad's Weekend here at UI so it may be busy so we should think about making a reservation if they do that(also bring your dad if he is coming up and interested). I also put a message in to the group Young Americans for Liberty at UI so we may pick up a few more OC'ers, I know about 3-4 guys from that group who OC but aren't on this forum. Last edited on Tue Sep 29th, 2009 05:26 am by Louie86 |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Sounds like a plan, I'll have to see if I can make it Friday night. |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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Louie86 wrote: I would also like to add that it is Dad's Weekend here at UI so it may be busy so we should think about making a reservation if they do that(also bring your dad if he is coming up and interested). I also put a message in to the group Young Americans for Liberty at UI so we may pick up a few more OC'ers, I know about 3-4 guys from that group who OC but aren't on this forum. I know the owner. My son and her youngest girl go to preschool together. I will ask her this morning if she could set a table aside for us. I tell her that we may have up to 10 or more people. I will also tell her to expect us at around 6 pm. Last edited on Tue Sep 29th, 2009 05:49 pm by bigwookiee |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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This sounds like a lot of fun. You can count me in. |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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We are good to go. We will meet at the back on the stage. She is going to set us up for 12 and she said that they can add more tables if need. See you all their at around 6pm. My wife and son will be their as well so feel free to bring family or friends. Last edited on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 10:45 pm by bigwookiee |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Sounds good BigWookie! Thanks for doing the leg work to set this up. I am coming and bringing at least one extra. |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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I want to thank everyone who showed up. I was a bit worried that it was just going to be me, my son, and my wife up their on that stage and sever pile of chip baskets looking a bit out of place. We had a great time and I am looking forward to getting together once more. Also thanks for tolerating my son antics he can be a bit much sometimes. |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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It's too bad I missed it hopefully I'll be able to make the next. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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How many people showed up? I tried to make it but didn't get back to Pullman until after 7PM |
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Louie86 Regular Member
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I believe we had 16. A few had to leave early. It was fun and I look forward to our next gathering. |
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noname762 Regular Member
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Dr. Fresh wrote:Hello, everyone. I'm a new guy (obviously) and a student at WSU. I normally carry concealed, but I had no idea Pullmanites would be so receptive to open carry, since it's a college town and college students tend to be liberal. I have a nephew who just started attending WSU and bless his heart he is so NOT LIBERAL. That stems from a Utah/WA upbringing with 2 conservative parents. Thank goodness for small mercies. |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Just a little FYI. I was able to go on a ride along with Pullman PD last night. That 12 hour shift has completely changed my opinions of the department now that I have been able to see what they get to deal with. I rode with 3 different officers with varying levels of experience and found all of them to be very professional and respectful of the citizens in what they do. They treated everyone with dignity and respect and most of the time it was returned with the exception of most of the drunks and students who think they know everything and lip off to the cops. If you treat them with courtesy and respect, they will reciprocate. If you argue and act like a jacka$$, they do their best to remain professional but it is difficult at best. I also got some OC info from them. They have had training sessions about how to deal with OCers and typically don't respond to reports of "Man with a gun in a holster" unless there is very vague info about the call. Dispatch has been trained to interrogate callers better and inform them that what we are doing is perfectly legal and rarely does PPD respond. The officers I rode with support OC and our right o do so, but choose not to do it personally. |
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Dave The Welder Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: I also got some OC info from them. They have had training sessions about how to deal with OCers and typically don't respond to reports of "Man with a gun in a holster" unless there is very vague info about the call. Dispatch has been trained to interrogate callers better and inform them that what we are doing is perfectly legal and rarely does PPD respond. The officers I rode with support OC and our right o do so, but choose not to do it personally.Excellent work Vandal!! |
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thefirststrike Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: Just a little FYI. I was able to go on a ride along with Pullman PD last night. That 12 hour shift has completely changed my opinions of the department now that I have been able to see what they get to deal with. I rode with 3 different officers with varying levels of experience and found all of them to be very professional and respectful of the citizens in what they do. They treated everyone with dignity and respect and most of the time it was returned with the exception of most of the drunks and students who think they know everything and lip off to the cops. If you treat them with courtesy and respect, they will reciprocate. If you argue and act like a jacka$$, they do their best to remain professional but it is difficult at best. Sounds cool Vandal, that is something I have been wanting to do for a long time now but just can't seem to find the time. So when is the next Saturday lunch get togther? I missed the last one at San Miguels, but couldn't have made it anyway as it was Friday evening and I work 2nd shift. I am hunting kinda heavily right now, so no gurantee I can make a Saturday one either, but I would certainly try. Dave R |
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FunkTrooper Regular Member
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Vandal wrote: Just a little FYI. I was able to go on a ride along with Pullman PD last night. That 12 hour shift has completely changed my opinions of the department now that I have been able to see what they get to deal with. I rode with 3 different officers with varying levels of experience and found all of them to be very professional and respectful of the citizens in what they do. They treated everyone with dignity and respect and most of the time it was returned with the exception of most of the drunks and students who think they know everything and lip off to the cops. If you treat them with courtesy and respect, they will reciprocate. If you argue and act like a jacka$$, they do their best to remain professional but it is difficult at best. That's cool and I've known for awhile how professional they are but I really hate most of what they enforce. |
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thefirststrike Regular Member
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steelcoreap wrote: As a few of you know there are a few of us who OC here in our small college town of Pullman. Dave the Welder has been doing this around here before me, and as I understand it there might be one other guy around town doing it. I've OC'd around town a little bit now and then but after this weekend's lunch in Spokane I'll be going more and more. I OC regularly around Moscow and also Pullman when I am there. I have OC'ed in the Pullman movie theatre several times and haven't had any problems. Aside from there and anyplace we have all gone to lunch, I don't usually spend much time in Pullman though. Dave R |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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Would we like to do a open carry dinner in Moscow this Friday? I am working on getting Van Ward who is running for us congress and will be hear for the home coming game to attend the dinner. I think it would be a good opportunities to meet and question him about the 2nd amendment and his views on the role of government. Last edited on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 07:35 pm by bigwookiee |
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thefirststrike Regular Member
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bigwookiee wrote: Would we like to do a open carry dinner in Moscow this Friday? I am working on getting Van Ward who is running for us congress and will be hear for the home coming game to attend the dinner. I think it would be a good opportunities to meet and question him about the 2nd amendment and his views on the role of government. Well I would prefer it not be a weekday evening because I work, but if he is only going to be here then I guess there isn't much choice. Maybe I could get off that day, use my personal day. But I for one would need to know ASAP!! SO I can take that day off. How soon can you let us know? Could you possibly email me personally at the thefirststrike2001@yahoo.com when you get it all organized? Dave R |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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thefirststrike wrote: bigwookiee wrote:I should know by Tusday the 20th.Would we like to do a open carry dinner in Moscow this Friday? I am working on getting Van Ward who is running for us congress and will be hear for the home coming game to attend the dinner. I think it would be a good opportunities to meet and question him about the 2nd amendment and his views on the role of government. |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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bigwookiee wrote: thefirststrike wrote:bigwookiee wrote:I should know by Tusday the 20th.Would we like to do a open carry dinner in Moscow this Friday? I am working on getting Van Ward who is running for us congress and will be hear for the home coming game to attend the dinner. I think it would be a good opportunities to meet and question him about the 2nd amendment and his views on the role of government. I still have not hear back from Van Ward. As it turns out I cant make firday night anyways. I have a weading recption to go to. So I am calling it off. If people want I will check whith his campain to see when he will be in town once more and maby if we want we can do some thing then. For give the bad spelling as I am short on time! |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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Congressional candidate Van Ward will be speaking to the Latha county republicans on Oct 30 at their monthly meeting. Their may be other congressional candidates their as well. I don't have the meeting place yet but I know that if it is at Jack in the Box they allow open carry. The other place may be the Sand Piper which is across the street from Rosauers. I don't know their policy on open carry. Its one of the few places I have not open carried in Moscow. Everyone is welcome to attend. Feel free to post this on other Moscow Pullman forms. I will still pester his campaign if we would still like to meet him separately.Last edited on Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 06:07 pm by bigwookiee |
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bigwookiee Regular Member
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bigwookiee wrote: Congressional candidate Van Ward will be speaking to the Latha county republicans on Oct 30 at their monthly meeting. Their may be other congressional candidates their as well. I don't have the meeting place yet but I know that if it is at Jack in the Box they allow open carry. The other place may be the Sand Piper which is across the street from Rosauers. I don't know their policy on open carry. Its one of the few places I have not open carried in Moscow. Everyone is welcome to attend.Friday, October 30, 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm - Republican Homecoming Reception / Meeting at the Sandpiper Restaurant (436 N Main St, Moscow). Candidates for Congress Rep. Ken Roberts and Vaughn Ward are scheduled to attend and speak. Friday, October 30 - 8:30 pm - Bonfire in the Kibbie Dome parking lot, 9:15 pm, fireworks in the Kibbie Dome parking lot. Saturday, October 31, 8:00 am to 10:00 am - Pancake Feed at the Moscow Fire Station - 603 South Main Street. Saturday, October 31 - UI Homecoming parade. Decorating near Ted's Burgers around 9:00 am, parade starts at 10:00 am. Come and ride or walk along with our Republican truck. Kids and families welcome. Saturday, October 31 - Republican Tailgating at the Kibbie Dome parking lot - approximately 11:30 am to 1:50 pm. Free hot dogs and pop. Saturday, October 31 - 2:00 pm UI Homecoming game vs. Louisiana Tech - Go Vandals! Sorry this is late posting. Last edited on Fri Oct 30th, 2009 11:51 am by bigwookiee |
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Vandal Regular Member
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Just a few words of warning to those who want to attend the events on the UI campus. UI is not covered under state preemption and is able to make and enforce their own rules regarding firearms. If you choose to OC, you are doing so at the risk of being asked to leave campus or trespassed. Moscow fire also has a no weapons policy for all of their stations. I don't know how well it is enforced though. |
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